Overtime is a tool, it lets employers know if they should hire more people to do the work their company contracts. However, most employers don't see it that way they see it as sponging off the company or view their demands as perfectly reasonable. Meanwhile we get stories of some staff so traumatized by needing to ask to use the bathroom they crap themselves at the desk (rare hyperbole but I've seen it in some random articles or comments just forget where). You cannot just adopt a 'no overtime' policy. If you have reliable, responsible staff they will let you fall on your ass.
@@voidtalongaming4637 idk man, hiring someone new to work for an hour, might be 50% cheaper than my overtime hour but the people who stick around at my job are the ones who outperform everyone and my hour is certainly worth more than 150% of the cost of an hour from a new person who doesn't know how to do anything a new person at their absolute best might be able to accomplish about 25-50% of what I can do in an hour (and I'm being very generous to the new person with that estimate) really, if my overtime was weighed against what a new person is capable of then I ought to be getting paid like 200-250% of my pay rate for overtime lol because that's about the % that I outperform them at their best
@@voidtalongaming4637 I once saw a man lift a 100-150 pound filing cabinet over his head and pitch it at a manager before punching out two security guards and wrecking everything he could get his hands on across two floors of a corporate call center on his way out of the building. From what I heard (I was too far away and on a call when shit started going down) he was a veteran with PTSD and his manager was threatening to fire him because he was struggling with a panic attack after working a 10-hour day (already 2 hours of overtime) and refused to work another 2. This was also *not* the only time I'd seen (or at least heard) violence go down at that call center. Thankfully the place closed down some years back. Oh, and I heard the police that responded to the cabinet incident were both vets themselves and pretty much just took a report and left. From my understanding, cabinet bro didn't end up facing any real issues other than losing his job. The company likely decided not to pursue the issue since it would have resulted in their ("alleged") laundry list of blatantly illegal labor practices going on a court record and opening them up for prosecution and/or class action. And it was a veteran. Also less than five years after 9/11.
@@gyozanomics And you're probably right. It's why Overtime can be better to pay than trying to hire or just being dumb and saying 'no overtime' without thinking. I think this is esp true of skilled tradesman jobs or technical work.
I love it when they say it’s not that hard then why don’t you do it. Seriously management of any kind do you know the concept of time at all like my delivery place is an hour away and you’re mad that I’m not back at the shop in 30 minutes fuck you 🤣🤣.
@Jordan Winders Keep it up. That’s what I do. If I have to take a call at 9:00pm my minimum is 15 mins of pay. If they don’t like it I’ll find another job. It’s a good deal for them, pay 7 dollars and to make 10,000 dollars.
The term for this is called malicious compliance. You hold your job to their rule regardless of how ridiculous it is and let them see the holes in their own logic
Company I worked for had the bean counters figure out that the overtime was costing them too much. They tried the no overtime rule; staff only worked their allotted start and end hours (literally dropping everything at the end of shift). The new rule lasted about 2 months until management were begging to go back to the old way. But never fully rent back because staff got used to being able to use their time for family, hobbies and other activities they actually enjoyed. Cost the company far more than the overtime ever did. And the staff all learned that their loyalty in finishing a task was just seen by the company as sponging.
This is how it was coming back from the COVID crap. They cut us down to 32 hours when they wanted us to go back to 40 we fought to only work 32. Then they said 50 hours a week and everyone fought them.
@@NIGHTSTALKER0069 a cousin of mine was working for a hotel pre covid, primary employment in her area is tourism, scenic area = relatively low population density = lower pool of employable age population. Pre covid her employer was seen one of the best, most stable, and trusted in the area. Covid incoming = hotel laying off nearly the entire staff. During Covid = unemployed staff find new less seasonal work. Post Covid = they can't get enough staff (even the local teens won't work there because it was their parents who were unceremoniously laid off). Turns out when you show your true colours as employer and your entire pool of potential employees realise that the loyalty to the company is a mugs game; it has a larger and longer effect than you thought you would have to suffer consequences for. I am so glad the pendulum has swung back to power being back with the employee ("Oh wait, I'm just a "resource"!! Well fine, you're just a job and there are plenty of jobs.)
Interesting. I should bring this up to my boss next time he tells me "Make sure your back at 5" I literally get paid under $6 per hour for overtime and he has the audacity to say the company can't afford us working later than 5. I will definitely tell him. "So you think I'm sponging?"
@Thomas O’Brien, the grocery store near my house did that. They’re paying for it now- they can barely keep enough staff to stay open. In the last 13 months, they’ve taken to doing open interviews. I’m fairly certain even AH could get a job here, and they still can’t get enough people on.
Not having a firm grasp on reality is a requirement to be Safety. They don't magically become morons after they're hired, they're hired BECAUSE they're morons.
I am a facility electrician and I can tell you I have tagged out units before and went home. My boss called a couple hours later to ask about it and I reminded him I had a write up about my over time and was just doing as I was told…. But I would get it up and running 1st thing the next day👌
I agree man I'm a welder for the same shit cause they wanted me to figure out where a peanut combine was binding up at took forever lol clocked 30 hours of overtime being as it was all done after 40 hours they wrote me up for loafing lol what a damn joke so they brought me something on a Friday and it was an hour or two from time to go and I had other shit to do before that got that stuff done had 30 mins clocked out left it undone had a whole I'm more important than you write up and or blah blah lol
I worked in a Toyota Factory. And it cracked me up that every time I was moved to a new area, with out fail the first time anyone taught me anything they would say "Okay first Im gonna show you how they want you to do it, then I am gonna show you how it gets done."
Amen to that! Work as facilities tech/supervisor n always in meetings…please do not request work after 3:00 unless it’s approved overtime, because “s_it happens” in construction! Love this channel, shared it throughout my crew…keep it up and aloha
And here in the UK, thats exactly how things work by law. You cannot be asked to do anything for your job without being paid for it. You want me in half an hour early for a briefing? Then either i get paid, or I will literally sit there reading a book instead.
I've been Ricky in this situation before. I used to work for a big company, and years ago, they were really good - if they botched your pay by more than $50 they'd write you a check on the spot. Last year, however, shortly before Christmas, their payroll system got hacked, so to simplify things for the cheque-writers, they declared that everyone would be paid a straight 40. The problem was, their entire maintenance department, and probably 200 key production employees, didn't work 40 hours a week. For us, it was usually between 50 and 60. So when the memo went out informing us of the situation, we all started putting in a straight 40, because we agreed that we didn't work for free. It lasted for six weeks, and by the end, they were down about 50% production. The problem was, a bunch of those people LIKED a 40-hour week, and never went back to their regular OT. I've since retired, but I hear the place is still a bit of a disaster.
It's the same thing with the whole "labor shortage" in America right now. People spent a year or two in lockdown, and they remembered what life is like when you aren't being abused by corporate. It's like separating from a bad spouse so you can see how badly they treat you. They aren't going to be lured back easily with the same old empty promises.
@@MrFelblood I highly doubt I will ever in my life work any less than 60 hours a week 7 days a week. Thankfully all my family is dead and I don't have the time to make any friends or go on any dates so Im married to the company. Thankfully I have a dark past I don't want anyone uncovering ever so death is the only thing I crave. But for anyone who isn't in my situation I feel sorry for them.
Working the OT kinda screws over the company and helps you. You get paid 1.5 times pay more or less. Meaning you get paid more per hour of work. Put that OT in savings / invest. Then retire a little early.. or retire on time.
@@philiplubduck6107 not really. If the company didn't profit off overtime they wouldn't provide it. If you have benefits then three people at 40 and two people at 60 would have closer costs.
This kind of thing ticks me off so much. No plumbers on the night shift? Well damn. Might should've thought that through, Safety Man. What's the old saying? "Poor planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on mine." I'm with Ricky - see ya tomorrow! 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheHighborn The best comment I ever learned: "We don't have any plumbers on night shift." "Oh, that's a shame." It instantly makes passive-aggressive people have to get actual aggressive and say outright what they want.
Any time your boss asks you to "figure it out" it just means they know they are being unreasonable and don't have a solution, but want to lay the blame on you when things don't work out
I adore when my bosses tell me "figure it out". Depending on the job, I tell them either A) Okay I figured it out, it's not getting done. Sorry for you" or when I'm working in a resturant B) "Okay boss, I figured it out, we have 3 people, I'm locking the lobby, and we're drive through only until/unless more people show up. It's a safety hazard having that low a shift count", Rarely when I'm really pissed C) "I'm a grunt, I don't get paid to figure it out, that's YOUR job."
@@TheMariusDarkwolf As a cashier for THD I can tell you that I've locked up our entire garden section to go take a piss before since I cannot within SOP leave it unlocked and leave the gates unattended. Technically I'm supposed to call a supervisor or a manager, but when you get zero response over half an hour, you just gotta go piss.
@@TheMariusDarkwolf i used to love hitting my manger with that. she would tell you to your face she was better since she was a manager. 'oh well im just a wage employee i cant figure something like that out. let me know when you come up with an idea though!'
Well, I love to get that old "just figure it out man, there is no way around it, it has to be fixed" because the first thing that comes out of my mouth is "okay, but ypu have to give me green light to do it at whatever cost and if you want to tell me I spent too much on that you better give me the solution right now, otherwise, things are the way I say they are". Usually works, sometimes boss gets pissed and suddenly It ain't such a problem if it takes more time to archieve the result/fix. But I know bosses who will tell you "fix it, I dont care and I ain't giving you a penny to do it, its your job" last time that happened, I gathered my team, came out with a perfect solution and called the boss to tell him we figured it out, but he arrived to see the same mess he left us and we simply said "well, we figured it out, but you said you wouldn't give us a penny to do it, so nobody wanted to jump in and pay for the stuff we needed to make it work. We have a perfect plan though, we really figured this shit out. But its getting late, so we will just gather our things and see you tomorrow". His business had to close a month later after he returned money to many customers and lost about 80% of the people
In fairness it adds up with enough people. But.... the cost of it NOT being done that day is never figured into it. Also when jobs can have sudden issues that delay them by hours is not even a conceptual possibility.
When you have employees apparently taking an hour to clock out, which probably means they're taking an hour to clock in too, well that's going to happen. Grandfather always told me "After you clock in, you better not be putting on gloves and vest, that's not work. They're not paying you to get your boots on. You get ready for work before work, and you better be starting work the same minute that you clock in."
Worked on a crew a while back. We worked 12 hour plus days every day 6 days a week. They absolutely would not stop the "no overtime" BS. We basically did this. It took 10 days and put us so far behind on the project that they had to cancel bids on other projects due to the extreme amount of time and money it was costing them. Because every day, at the end of the day, there was something that needed fixed but I stead of staying late we had to wait till the next day to fix it .. which out is even more behind. 10 days and it broke them.
I had a assistant manager that thought he ran everyone’s life, matter of fact I also had two managers like that also. Needless to say I out lasted the assistant manager and the two managers wound up getting fired. Moral of the story, don’t treat the employees like you own them. Side note, one of the managers found his truck in the racks about 20 feet off the ground, who knew that Dodge Ram could jump weirdest thing ever.
I know right my grandfather had a plant job and there was a Forman giving him and some other pure hell so some way some how all the Formans lug nuts on his tires magically disappeared and his car was on the ground and had to be towed so yah funny how shit happens
July 25th(today), company Said they were starting the pipe I was welding at 5. This was at 330. They wouldn't pay over time. I had 3 welds left. I said no problem. Went home. 505 I got a call Product was gushing all over the floor. I said well no shit. It's not going to levitate to the next joint. 819pm currently and I'm just getting set up (triple time) to finish welds. The product costs 115k (cdn) per 10,000 gallon. I guarantee you there's 20k product on the floor for the 400 dollars in ot they "saved" Edit: yes I'm on RU-vid as I get set up, unfortunately I'm not motivated to finish quickly at triple time. The bean counter fu**Ed up and now I'm proving a point
You sir are a hero to workers world wide! The fact that there's is 20K product on the floor......ooooh you now have a $20k trick up your sleeve on their credit...... To use when ever you figuratively feel like it. Well done sir. Enacted change for the over all improvement of your company. The more that ill decisions can be highlighted to management about the ineffectiveness of middle management and finance combined (middle management allowed finance to dictate to them in the first place) and the more this can be pointed out....... The more chance that middle management can be made obsolete and be the first ones exited out of the workforce by computer algorithms and AI? So you are training yourself to work within the constraints of AI (cause going over time won't be an issue as the process will take as long as it takes and there will be more budget in the absence of middle management anyway) the greater the longevity of your skills will be required in the workplace cause lets face it..... building something with robots in a controlled automated environment is VERY easy. Diagnosing and fixing fuck ups in a customised non off the shelf manufactured component is not something that is going to be replaced any time soon? Sure a robot might have dexterity to pick up an egg?. But like fuck it can swing a torque wrench or lift and move something b heavy into place? Sure a forklift can lift heavy things but can it torque a bolt to precision or use critical thinking to compensate for interim solution that isn't recommended......to allow a job to continue so that hundreds of thousands of products can keep being produced until the correct part and methods can be used later on when the supplier delivers it to you? Or are you gonna shut down the production line for weeks because a robot says 404 part missing unable to complete task? Hmmm Now that's something to use as an argument against the bean counters. Letting them know how temporary they are and how invaluable and irreplaceable you are 👌
20k loss for a 400 gain? You shouldn’t even risk a 20k loss for a 20k gain; loss of product, cost of clean up, reliability and credibility. That’s horrible business practices
Spot on, good sir. If a company's not willing to pay overtime, then they should not expect you to work beyond the allotted hours. Only way I'd ever work without overtime is if it was a life-threatening emergency that only I could avert.
Idc if it's a life threatening emergency only I would be able to avert. I don't work for free. They can pay me, or they can tell the dead dude's family why $45/hr was too much to pay to save his life
@@twilightspiritbomb Could be, could be a good friend put at risk. Look, let me clarify, if there was an emergency that, at the very least would leave me jobless, and worst case, could kill me or a friend/ co-worker? I'm doing whatever it takes to stop it from happening. If it's something non-critical? It can wait. Case in point, I worked for my city's greenspace management department, and I was asked to go in after hours one winter to clear some ice from a path. Now that one, that was a bit of an emergency because that path had fire exits on it. I know it's important to get paid, but for me? Safety over all else.
@@deusvult6920 so you mean that your fully okay with letting someone die if your not explicitly going to get payed to help. like sorry bob could save your life but the boss won't pick up to confirm I'll be payed overtime soz man
I've done something similar to Ricky in a similar situation. We were not getting paid past 5:30. A flatbed tractor trailer arrived after our cut off time to accept trucks. The truck driver was not taking "no" for an answer apparently. Management didn't want to turn the truck away as they already agreed to take it and didn't want to "go back on their word" lol. This flatbed had roughly 20 skids of concrete on it. I don't remember exactly how many. We told management we could not get it done by 5:30. We were told to just "do it." After the flatbed got positioned, the driver untapped and unstrapped and we set up the safety barricade we started unloading. This truck driver was very rude and had a mind set of we needed what he had so he was our boss. Alright bud. We purposely unloaded the passenger side only leaving the drivers side fully loaded. Just before 5:30 we started packing up making sure to take the keys for the equipment as we were not going to be responsible for someone else wrecking equipment assigned to our area. Management was furious and was trying to refuse to let us leave. The truck driver went from being angry to "come on guys you cant leave it like this, please, please, please." We all walked out and informed them we would pick up work back at 7:00am. The truck was unable to leave with all the weight on the drivers side he could not turn without possibly flipping. Apparently some scabs on nights ended up coming from another area and finished unloading him a few hours later. The company tried to write every one up but the union wouldn't let em. As our conversations on the work phones were all recorded and we told them we wouldn't be able to finish by quitting time. So in the end we went back to being able to refuse whatever trucks we deemed fit which is how it should have been from the beginning.
@@SniperTeamTango you can't Sue. You only get dention for waiting...I drive trucks and I am extremely polite for this very reason and keep a few 20's in my wallet
@@SniperTeamTango but this load I guarantee is not a contract load. Most likely from spot board. When my reefer sits like this I charge 1k no matter what.. you still cant sue. It sucks but it is what it is
@@peterpeet4507 if someone went out of their way to make it so that my fleets truck could not safely leave that's fucking around and the time for finding out would be very shortly thereafter
So, you're telling me that Ricky dug out that water main, cut off or took off the bad fittings and/or pipes...replaced them, and had to work down to one or two bolts in roughly an hour? No wonder he still has a job! Apparently it's got some hustle to go along with that attitude! Did Fast and efficient work and taught the safety man a valuable lesson... damn good job Ricky!
The Department of Labor would have a field day with this work site. For those of you that don't know, the government fines the company $1000 per violation on top forcing them to pay the back wages. And that's just federal. State laws tend to be even harsher. So pro tip, don't fuck with OT. The government does not play around with that shit.
my state says if you have to sue to get your earned wages you can sue for 3x the initial amount plus court and lawyer fees. then the state labor board comes knocking. then the department of labor swings by. and lastly the unions will want to stop by for talk of course.
Best line of the entire video: "I've got just enough time left in the day to teach him a lesson." Also I love the subtle management jab of Ricky saying "Guess I'll get it tomorrow.", but the Saftey Man who just showed up has the nerve to say. "Hey what do you mean WE'LL get it tomorrow?"
In my industry I have suffered from impostor syndrome my entire life. It was not until I was made the manager of the most important, and high volume location in the entire country that I realized I was worth more than the salt that I sweat. Your angle is humor, but you may not realize that your comedy is inspiring an entire generation of tradesmen to seek what they are truly worth. And for that, we thank you. You may not think of yourself as a paragon of Eden, but you're doing the Lord's work sir.
Ricky.. love you brother, you shoulda reminded Safetyman about OSHA guidelines that state once off the clock if an employee is injured the company isn't responsible for a work injury.
At first I was like, yeah, and that is why Ricky isn't working, cuz his injuries would be his responsibility... then I reread it from Ricky's POV and realized the SAME applies to the safety man's face.
As a Manager this hits me hard. Upper Management and Corporate are always breathing down my neck to eliminate overtime. Which is always just funny since its not really possible and will just cause more overtime in the end. Also overtime gets things done when you need it done right now and helps your guys out paying the bills. If you need someone to go above and beyond you should pay them that way.
Corporate is weird that way. I seen it many times. Usually I could null them out, by saying y'all are walking straight into a labor board complaint , that the business cannot win. Unpaid overtime hours/straight hours is a big no-no.
I used to work for a pet store and i cleaned the entire place… alone. And the pet care employees were given to much to do so i always helped them when i finished my stuff I got yelled at nonstop. I could shit gold and someone would have a problem that it didnt sparkle to their liking but the general manager loved me it was polar opposites from how i was treated by my manager and assistant managers. When i quit cause they didnt give me enough hours they ended up having to hire a professional cleaning company cause they couldnt find anyone as good as me. Took them six months to come to that conclusion
Since you are a manager, let me give me 3 tricks: 1- a new hire is worth overtime x3. If you have 2 full shifts combined in OT, hire someone. 2-Upper management are firm believer of the lemon pressing type of management. 3-Upper managers are working for the shareholders, not the company. Draw you conclusion.
I actually did something similar just to get our over time back. I got a thing to do a couple days after they said that there will be no more over time. this thing was pretty complicated and at the time I was supposed to head off home did I hold two things, one in each hand so it didn't fall and had my collegue help me, alarm went off at 4 pm when my day was over and I let go of the stuff and walked towards the door, my boss came up to me and asked if I was done already and I answered no so he tried to force me to go back and finish and I just told him that it will take too much time to fish up the chains now when they are already far into the machine after I let them go. so what could have cost him about 30 minutes times 2 in over time cost him a solid 6 hours times two people in regular pay. we got our over time back
Epic LMAO They wanted some workers to come in an hour early and gave overtime for that one hour. 5hrs of overtime a week can make a huge difference in most homes. The early hour was to (get this) cover the things the night shift did not get done. After 2 months, they said they were not gonna pay for that early hour and more. The next day not a single person showed up early. The supervisor was dang near screaming at the foreman about how stuff was not getting done by the next day. He simply told the man to either hire people who knew how to do their jobs (regardless of shift) or give back the overtime. They have now instigated a 4th shift -- which has spread out the work force so now there are at least 3 people who actually do their job on each shift. Funniest thing though -- they have to pay a dollar extra for that premium shift.
Reminds me of when I was on 3rd shift - 11:30P to 07:30A Tues - Sat work days, fall time change, 02:00A falls back to 01:00A and you work that hour again, 8 hour day completed at 06:30A on that day only. That leaves a 1 hour gap between end of 3rd and start of 1st with no workers there. Manager on 3rd asks people to work that one hour, but states it’s straight time. We all say no, pay overtime we’ll stay. He says no, and then tries to force everybody to stay the extra hour for straight time. We tell him no again, he says we can’t clock out, we tell him to hide and watch us clock out, everybody left. We heard no more about it and that guy never tried that again. We’re a union shop too.
Had a manager once whining about "Back in the day, we didn't watch the clock, we finished the job". I looked at him and said "that kind of effort died when you started to brag how easy you could replace us" The look on his face was priceless.
I've always liked when companies do this, the whole you need to stop for meal breaks or out right stopping all overtime. Amusing to see how quickly they realise it wasn't very well thought out
thankfully where i work they know what will happen pretty quick 😂😂 its the law that staff working a certain number of hours get a set amount of break time, so not only would it be illegal, but the factory would outright shut down
By law it's illegal for an employee to work off the clock. So he was actually saving the company money by not finishing. Maybe the company should have taken a step back and planned better.
this is how many companies operate, and it's infuriating, if they give you more work than you can reasonable do in your shift and want you and others to stay late to do extra work, either they need to provide overtime, or they need to get more labor to do the extra work during the day. More work means more pay, if not, then the time clock stops at 5pm.
@@insylem safety man should sit in his office and enjoy the ac then with blinds closed doing “paper work”. When I was a kid the safety man knew that if he bust folks bal(censored for RU-vid) too much the “union rep” would hear about it and then some nonunion guys would make sure safety man didn’t hear anything ever again if they really became a problem. Now days it’s worse for everyone in every way and they call that “progress”
entertainment aside, I never did understand why Safety Man was the one "in charge" in these clips. Place I work, we have a safety person, yes, but our department structure is the rank and file workers, supervisors above them, department heads above the supes, and "production manager/plant manage" above department leads with the Safety Man being in his own department/command structure. Safety person can and will do right ups if there's an egregious enough safety issue, but if they ain't in the direct chain of command, their ass ain't calling any shots.
@@redfinale I dont get that either. Even more so since there is another character called "The Boss" or "Bossman" . You'd think "Bossman" would have the more boss roles, and Safety man would do the safety reports and incidents with Ricky. ;)
I work in healthcare and getting advice from someone who hasn't done insurance (or paperwork in general in 15 years) makes me madder than anything. Insurance laws change monthly and we went through a pretty big one 2 months ago, so of course everyone is struggling to figure out how to get insurance to still pay for these people so we can get them life saving treatments, but our boss who hasn't done an EMS run in over a decade and has exclusively been working landscaping is gonna be the one to talk down to us
Is it not against the law to not pay you if your working over your 40 hours a week if your hourly I can see salary not geting payed I work from 6:30 to 4:00 summer hours and 7:30 to 5:00 winter hours with a hour long lunch I only take the 30 minutes so I get overtime every week. If they did not give me the overtime I would leave early if they did not pay me
Even working 6 to 6, getting a task after 3PM is a recipe for running in place until the end of the day. It takes at least 30 minutes to get your shit together, all the material, tools, safety equipment, ladders, lifts, etc.put in place before you can get a hold on what you actually need to do the job, 'cuz life ain't like the sheet of paper the drawings are on. And it's another 10 minutes to an hour to get permits if you're doing something involving confined space, fall protection, hot work, etc, etc. Not kidding, I had to get an eight sheet packet of paperwork to use a harness. I spent over 12 hours on a job that should've taken no more than an hour and change due to the GC's safety BS, their shit-tier scheduling, and my contractor's piss-poor staff/logistics. Also, field engineers shouldn't be allowed to lay workers out on a task, because they're fucking wrong.
If your bosses ever tell you to stay and work without being paid for any reason other than being a salaried employee, it is illegal. Get the orders in writing and once you can establish it as a pattern, take the proof to your state's Wage and Hour department. Because if they're doing it to you, they're doing it to alot of other people too.
Yeah I got left stacking pallets for day shift like 35 minutes before my shift ended. Got about halfway done and then left the forklift in the middle on the workfloor with the forks dropped and the pallets stabilized, clocked out and left. Got pulled up to the office next day and asked why I abandoned my duties and just left. I told em, well you had a meeting on Tuesday after shift hollering and yelling at us about overtime hours being too high for the company and that everyone had to cut those back or they'd no long be employed, so I'm just complying. They told me "Look, we meant UNJUSTIFIED overtime hours" I said "Well first of all you didn't say that and who is doing the justifying, cause you made it clear it ain't us, and the boss that left me with the task left right after he dropped it on me. Probably woulda got done if he and I both did it, and he's salary!" Suffice it to say I got hounded for a few weeks after that by our floor manager and my boss, but they reinstated overtime pay for "essential" employees (which I was one of) when I was no longer the sole outlier. Hated that place but the crew was on point and they didn't take no crap neither.
The company I work for tried some shit like this. They started being selective about which trouble calls they would call us out on. So we became selective about when we answer the phone. Then the idiots threatened to write us up for dodging calls. Our union educated them about trying to write people up for the same thing they were doing. The struggle is real...
Damn right Ricky. It is illegal to not pay someone for the time they work. Never put up with that BS. OR put up with it long enough to insure when you take them to Court you get a big Payday
Some states say that unpaid wages (or as the law likes to call it "back pay" are due interest. And in some places and cases such as in MD after two weeks without the wage being paid, you can take them to court for 3x the original amount + all court, council, and other fees associated with the process of getting your pay from them.
@@ravenna6543 exactly. I told a friend of mine who was getting absolutely used by a business to keep track of every hour and wait a bit then take em to court. He did for an entire year then got a huge payday, like 20k after all was said and done.
@@ravenna6543 here's the fun part. Federal sets it at a minimum times two. "An employee may file a private suit for back pay and an equal amount as liquidated damages, plus attorney's fees and court costs."
Tell us what we need to do when we show the fuck up, not when we're about to leave. Also, malicious compliance is how you tell your boss how shit is really done
Sounds like a company I worked for. Payday rolls around, head office would bitch and chew about my overtime and drivers whinged and bitched I was getting it all so I wasn't allowed to work it anymore... Weekend rolls around. Same drivers wouldn't work and dispatch would blow up my phone knowing that I was the "go to guy to get it done". Payroll would come around, rinse and repeat.
when jobs dont have a clockout schedule, this shit happens. i give my guys at least 20-30 minutes to clean up the tools and themselves. If i don't, next day is just people scrambling for tools for an hour
I figured Ricky would have had his truck between the valve and gate. Dug up valve, fix valve, 5pm go home and leave safetyman stranded at jobsite because of open ditch. Either way NO OT PAY, NO OT WORK. As Ricky has said before I trade my time for pay.
Doing things a correct way in a timely manner? Dude, pick one! (Kind of like the "We do 3 kinds of work: Good, Fast and Cheap. Please pick which two you'd like.")
Same with my job, the Emergencies only go 1 way. Its all about the company & NOT ABOUT YOU. When they have an emergency, I used to drop everything & help them. Then I had an emergency & needed thier help. I was told "Your emergency isn't Our emergency. You need to solve your own problems." My dog Moose(pictured)needed emergency surgery & died bc they didn't want to help me save his life. So now, whenever they have an emergency, "Thier emergency is not my emergency, they need to solve thier own problems." I DON'T HELP ANY OF THEM...."Its only when you are flat on your back, you find out who your true friends are & who are people that you happen to know. Your true friends will always step up while Everyone else steps off"~ Mr. Robinson
I once worked at a place where every year around October there would be a meeting where it was revealed the budget was "running short" and there would be no overtime. This would last 2-4 weeks until the workload would back up till people were literally screaming. Then we would get "The memo" saying overtime is ok.
That was me at a body shop years ago. Not about the overtime but my fight for an hour lunch since I work 15 to 18 hours a day. Owner said no so everyday at 5 o'clock I packed up and left. Didn't care I didn't finish the car I was assembling and the customer was on their way. After 3 or 4 days of this I got a 60 to 90 minute lunch.
If the company treats you right, I'm willing to do a little extra. It has paid off for me so far. Now if it was all take and no give, I suppose I'd be a Ricky too.
So your example is sadly very accurate. my place of work is exactly the same way they whine and cry about over time but they dont wanna hire more people to help us make things more effect but no and they dont pay as good as they could. my guess is 1 of 2 things. 1 there just running us in the ground 2 they just dont care and there sitting in there hirer up chairs all happy with there bonuses and there loads of money they make. just saying how scary accurate you are. Great Job btw. and i work exactly like Ricky. at 4:29 pm im standing by the clock waiting for 4:30. and they can get over it.
Whoa, the accuracy of your comment. Its like I work at the same place or the management all got their training from the same school of selfish stupidity.
Sure we all have a lovely story about this. I can still hear that manager screaming at me for stopping when the ups truck was rounding the corner to pick up those boxes i never packed, cause look at that, its 5pm and i’m not allowed anymore OT per his ruling. Never seen him move so fast to finish my job.
I had managers try to make me work 2 people’s work in under 8 hours so it never got completely done. They wrote me up and I changed areas. Amazingly it took 4 people who didn’t know what they were doing to do as much work as me. Wonder if they all got written up too? 🤪
I've had this "Be here fifteen minutes early; we'll work as long as there is work" thing put on my plate before. Doesn't matter what your job is or who you're working for, always remember that your job is not your friend, not your family, and never, EVER has your back when it comes to fulfilling it's agenda over taking care of you. You don't like my work, adios. You don't pay me for my work, ditto. Only been fired twice, and both times involved people doing things like trying to get my attention by snapping their fingers or when a manager purposefully slammed a door in my face.
@The River Ninja actually it doesn't. So stop with the judgement because that last hour of the day by the time you get the paperwork and equipment you need to do it properly it's time to go
15-30 minutes clock out😲 see if you move time card box towards where th back of the line forms and one next to time lock you can grab your card in the morning punch box and move it to the clock out card box stream lining in and out time speeding up the line
Never, ever try to tell your workers that they “just need to work harder.” That is exactly how you end up with empty job positions and nobody answering your emergency calls after hours.
Bosses think you are just automatically working on the problem as soon as they tell you. Takes time to get a plan together, get tools, lock it out if necessary, get everything to the actual spot. Not to mention clean up at the end. Everything takes time. A lot of it
My supervisor on the radio: “hey we got a time frame on the work Maintenance is doing” Me to my coworker: “fucking idiot it’s maintenance on a broken-ass machine. It’ll get fixed when it’s fixed you don’t get a time frame for fixing shit”
Sad how companies out there want to screw over the working class out there pay. But this is how you do it to show them suckered your time is valuable. Rock on Ricky!!
Years ago I worked in a machine shop. High speed production machinery. We got a new production manager who wanted to make a name for himself... Our shift ended at 3:30 and this guy's bright idea was to run until 3:10, shut down, get your parts out, fill out your production record/time card, and then mop the floor. Day 1 of the first week I shut down at 3:10, got my parts out, filled out my production report and time card... And then started mopping the floor... Got my mop water out on the floor, waited a minute for it to float the oil, then started mopping it up. I was about 1/3 done when the clock hit 3:30 and I dropped the mop on the floor and out the door I went. That policy went by the wayside pretty quick.
Hahaha they give me that list first thing in the morning. And I'm like "you know this is going to take 10 hours atleast, and that's with out lunch breaks." Give me 21 stops and expect each stop on my route to be done by 5. That includes drive time from the shop, back to the shop, and between each stop on my route. Like it's my fault they don't charge enough or hire enough workers to keep production up. Fuck corporations.
I giggled like mad at this, knowing exactly how it was going to play out. I mean, play stupid games and win stupid prizes, but MAN does the company have a flimsy grasp on reality if they think non-overtime job is a thing. At least it shouldn't be, never. Bad enough commute is personal time. Best part for me is the mock surprise of Ricky that there are no plumber-guys on night-shift: workers do know these things. :D
I was working 2nd shift (there was no 3rd shift) and I was tasked with shutting the lights out in the shop. not a problem. then they cut the overtime and said I had to be out of the building at midnight. it took me 15 minutes to walk out of thebuilding. so now the lights went off at 11:45 and all the guys getting changed in the locker room to leave were starting to get mad. changing in the dark by flashlight is no fun. suddenly I got authorized for an hour and a half overtime a week, and we no longer had any problems.
Worked for a company that pulled this, not in construction but in IT. While their IT teams were understaffed and the ticket queue was in the thousands. I quit that company and found one waaaaay better.
I'd be the same way. The second I am not getting paid, is the second I am not working. With 1 minute left he should already be at the clock out station clocking out.
One of the best management lessons I have learned is if you want a task accomplished you have to provide the appropriate resources to do so. Enough people and time to do the job, utilities such as tools and knowledge, and then get the hell out of the way and let them do their job. If you're constantly paying overtime to the same people for the same job and you've verified they aren't being wasteful or incompetent, you need to hire more people for that job, cheaper than OT in the long run. On the hand if it is just an occasional thing it's not cost effective to hire another person to cover occasional peaks if you have people that will do it on OT. Another great lesson I can't repeat enough, stop viewing your employees as an expense and start assessing and viewing them as assets to be cultivated and developed. Positive counseling and reviews can be just as effective as negative ones.
Our company stopped our overtime last December, and they're starting to pay for it because there are too many downtime now. We used to catch-up on our repairs on Saturdays but since they stopped our overtime, we have to do repairs on production time.
The title made me laugh. The story made me smile. The safety mans exasperation made me chuckle with evil glee. Trades know how to play the game better.
3 week after i stopped working past the time we clock off because there's no overtime i was given my marching orders. before hand i had huge arguments with the foreman because i (along with a bunch of others) we were staying back up to 2 hours 3 or 4 times a week and just not getting paid. the thing that did it for me was watching the foreman drive off home waving at us while we were still working away. i don't know if he did it on purpose but he did that all the time. "technically" the fired me for incompetence. i'm kinda happy that place went under during the lockdowns.
This applies to all Jobs.. when i was 20 16 years ago i worked in JCpenny in the stock room... they gave us only 3 hours in the morning to unload a entire truck load of clothing, and sort it, and put it on the floor in 3 hours... with only 3 people.. Was impossible... always took us at least 5 hours to accomplish.. but they would tell us we needed to it in the time they gave us.. was impossible
Ricky put out a video explaining his thoughts on this. You've only got so much time in a day and NO business pays enough for your mental health. What are they gonna do fire you? Plenty of work out there.
I've been a maintenance technician for almost 20 years and not once have I considered the idea of doing overtime; no amount of money is worth the well-being of my health, but I don't mind working during my coffee and lunch breaks.
I had a boss, during the hiring process he told me, "You can work as many hours as you want, and I know it's illegal for me to say this, but I don't pay overtime wages." I needed the work so I took the job. Unfortunately I was doing my job, the co-owner's son's job, and I was the "acting engineer" when our boss was out of the office so I had to field all of those calls and make those decisions when my background was in architecture and I was not qualified to be making such decisions. The co-owner's son was 23 years old and would leave work at 2:30pm every Friday because, "I'm married and I have to spend time with my wife." Then any calls he would get then got forwarded to me which always involved me having to unfuck his projects and I'd have to stay until it was unfucked on Friday evenings. I tried talking to him, then his father, then eventually the majority owner. All that mattered was that I got all of the work done... not without the OT pay, so I quit and took a job that required a 54 mile commute every day.
The second an employer says "I know it's illegal for me to say this" you best start covering your ass and looking for a new job, cause just you knowing you're in a situation that has illegal aspects to it can lead to you being implicated or blamed during a court case.
This would describe my last job pretty well. At my current employer, however, they take OT seriously and nobody works for free. Genuine problems and emergencies which justify OT are rapidly approved and nobody catches grief for doing their job to the best of their ability.
The thing I never got, is they trust you well enough to work there, being charge of thousands of dollars of tools and equipment, but not trust you well enough to decide whether or not something is important enough to justify overtime for. Dumbest shit I ever heard.
This hit me I work in the hotel and there's no overtime but one of my colleagues got fired for not staying to help out a little longer when his shifts is over. So moral stories is they want us to work hard and don't pay us more.
I worked for a security company that expected you to work both your scheduled days off EVERY WEEK. This was not mentioned in the interview. After a couple weeks I stopped answering the phone on my days off.
I know as a mechanic, 4:30 is time to clean and put up your tools for the night. They gotta be nice in in order, and locked up secure... Especially if the shop isn't the one making payments to the tool truck.
For anyone who suspects it, manage your day better and figure it out are magic phrases management uses because you as an employee are not equipped to argue back because it creates the assumption that they know how long it should take. Whenever you hear it, there's a more likely than not chance that statement is a lie or based on a model that is not grounded in reality. Source: A training video I was forced to watch on how to make annoying employees go away.
That sounds like me. State don't pay me overtime and I can go home without worrying if I have something to do the next work day. Even if it is the weekend and I don't come back till Monday morning. It can wait on me.
Yeah I know the place I used to work at. We often would get trucks come with less then 30 min on day and the load was either big and/or complicated with lots of little orders. Where those would take at least an hr to get done. I would stay and knock it out even though they had someone on 2nd that could but they needed all their people picking orders cause shift was smaller. I liked the ot but I shouldn't have done that cause someone made a false sexual accusation and they shitcanned me without any real investigation plus they loved to post mandatory ot for sat and cancel it the last moment possible Friday morning acting like they doing us a favor by not making us work when in reality I didn't make plans outside work since needing to work and Friday morning is too late to make plans on Sat. Most companies are assholes and treat like shit so yes I love this. Following their rules and it bites them in ass. Be best if it was on Friday and yep I will get it fixed first thing Monday or better yet right before you have time off
Rofl. I JUST got yelled at by my bosses boss, saying "you've done 20 hours of OT, we can't have that." Cool. Good luck figuring out how to find drivers to manage your yard for that time I'm spending catching up on my sleep. BTW, we're short a man till the 26th, and there's four days where there's only one of us on shift. Good luck figuring that out. I hung up on her. This video appeared in my notifications 2 minutes ago. My God is a joyous one, for he has a wicked sense of humor.
We have a contract cleaning service where I work and one of the main guys is always working overtime. He keeps telling me that his boss tells him he can't work all that overtime as much as he does. Problem is that the only let him hire one other person and she can only work weekends (just our store), so he has to work 10-12 hour days to do our store. Then they'll ask him to do other stores when someone calls off or "other", but will always complain when he's working so much overtime. He always says to his boss "good luck getting the store clean then".
I'd do the same thing 🤷♂️ the rule makers don't get to have it both ways. You don't wanna pay one red scent past 5, you won't get one red second past 5 either
If they say no overtime pay, then that means no overtime work. As a supervisor, dispatcher, manager, whatever, THEY gotta figure it out. Can't force people to work for free.
