No Soak No Simmer (NSNS) Easy Grain Tek for Millet/Oats/Bird Seeds

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Today I'll be going to share my recipe for NSNS, as well as go over some pros and cons of this method versus the traditional grain prep method.
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@celestialmycology134 Год назад

Couldn’t have come at a better time! Just got my first PC a few days ago and have been eying some grain to get started! Thanks for all that you do brother!!!

@donnyjuan7532 Год назад

So I have been using no soak no simmer Tek for a while now and i dont use jars i use 10 T Unicorn brand grain bags based on a video by the humble fungus and in my experience when using the grain bags they do not require a hot shake just thought i would point out some differences on how i use this method! thank you mush love y'all!

@Trex-xk7ej 22 дня назад

What's your millet to H20 ratio on the 10T bags?

@DerekTant Год назад

Great information, man! I did this method the other day with WBS. My ratio was different from yours (230g WBS to approx 120ml gypsum water). I prepped 14 jars that with good success. And thank you so much for all the knowledge. You are helping heal the world.

@doloinc Год назад

For WBS: if you constantly get burst grains towards the bottom, elevate them out of the water completely. Use a stainless circular 12" drying/steamer rack with at least 2in legs; will give enough clearance so that you can add enough water for the cook (including initial off-vent) and the jars won't be submerged

@jakelooter5139 Год назад

yeah def raise up above the water or useless fucking grains...good point!

@kdhoward83 Год назад

Or 5-6 empty aluminum cans on the bottom. On their side

@josephpowers6562 Год назад

Wow, thank you! I couldn’t figure why I had gotten burst grains on my first ever run and it was really bugging me because I followers the tek down to the gram on another video, plus I know I couldn’t have been more than 1-2 psi over 15 at any given point. I’m about to order an aluminum drying rack rn. Much appreciated brother!

@mrwolf751 Год назад

Where can I find one of these racks?

@brokenneck Год назад

Nice! Glad to see you back PGT!

@foxtailedcritter Год назад

Glad to see you again. You and Hamilton Morris are the only two people who show and say it how it is. Everyone else likes to obscure this info or hype it.

@jasonransdell7055 Год назад

PGT returns!! Thank you

@KushNCoffee Год назад

Thanks Teach! Always a pleasure watching

@BloopBlop9000 Год назад

Dirty jars dont have to be an issue. The dry/wet weight ratio is the only thing that matters so you can just quickly rinse off the grain / birdseed before putting them in jars and weighing out the rest of the water My recipe for WBS has been: - 300g dry bird seed / 1qt jar (I look for millet heavy feed with no cracked grain or corn) - Rinse all the grain in a strainer or bowl until the water is no longer too cloudy to see the bottom easily - 450g wet weight. Split grain between all jars and add water so that they each weigh out to 450g

@NagashiChidorii Год назад

thats what I was just thinking too! thanks for your recipe and exact weights

@jakelooter5139 Год назад

Brett your bird seed grain jars are SOOOO PRETTTYYYY....

@scoop3 Год назад

Love this, thanks! Any suggestions on weights with JUST millet?

@BloopBlop9000 Год назад

@@scoop3 I haven't tried just millet by itself but I'd start at the same 2/1 ratio and test varying the water from there if it's off

@bassboosthq2673 Год назад

wait wait wait so i can just simply rinse my grain thoroughly and then NSNS and it should be less or not cloudy at all? might mess around with a popcorn no soak no simmer if you think thatd work in my favor please drop a comment lmao

@lfz89 9 месяцев назад

PGT, you're the man. Got me started on my cultivation journey. 🙏

@n8n888 11 месяцев назад

I use semicen oats. Triple washed. Rinse them 2 times. Then follow pgt process. I sterilize in an oven dry. I can do about 30qt at a time. 1 hour 300f then 1.5 hour 250. A lot of ppl talk badly on oven tek but if you do it right you will never need a PC. I may get a couple jars contam out of 100. It works

@macslavsquatblyat9476 Год назад

I have done this tek with WBS. Works well, and there is a trick to get rid of the clumping at the bottom of the jar. First, you need some good quality oven mits with the heat guard where you won't feel how hot the jar is when it is time to shake. Tilt the jar gently upside down with one hand and gently knock the bottom of the jar so the clumped grains can drop, then shake from the sides and it will redistribute the moisture and everything! After the jars are fully cooled down you can then innoculate all on the same day!

@official-kin 6 месяцев назад

When i have to choose one yt guide for mushroom cultivation than it is PTG! Never disaipointing! 👌

@osiriswills6749 Год назад

This guy never disappoints. Has a method for almost everything

@josephsmith3469 Год назад

I just set some WBS to soak yesterday afternoon! I’m gonna sterilize tonight, but this video will help me out for next time. Thanks bro

@derrickcarroll4932 Год назад

Your videos are what convinced me that i could do this Thank You So Much!!!!

@VoodooBrown Год назад

Aaaaaand he’s back….

@Rain-di2bq Год назад

I just started again in over a year and this video couldn't of came at a better time

@jamesmaynard4003 Год назад

👍

@psilocybicacid7667 11 месяцев назад

Aaaaaaaaaand I'm gay

@jchristolus Год назад

Thanks for the video! Always more information then I can afford to pay for! Thank you!

@Dam_Sounds 6 месяцев назад

Great video as always. I let mine soak over night in the jars, shake them wenever I walk past them. Shake them again before PC. 200g red sorgum, 100g wheat with 150ml water.

@chrisbammer4946 Год назад

Personally I favor a good simmer because the oats I buy aren't the cleanest and it helps clear out a lot of the junk

@jakelooter5139 Год назад

yeah this is a better route I only no soak no simmer millet, but you actually get a better product soaking for a day and quick simmering before drying the outsides...

@drewh9456 Год назад

PGT back with knowledge!!

@jonnnature1942 Год назад

Pgt is backk yay

@joelbrayboy166 Год назад

Awesome video I think all shroom heads think alike I got some bird seed today and I didn't think they needed to be soak I just rinsed mine out and let them set and air dry now about to pressure cook good luck to all of us

@longfeatherlong8228 Год назад

I love the no soak no summer tek. I do however rinse my grains first as well as periodically shaking during the cooling process on top of the hot shake. If you don't hot snake then they may not come completely apart later. Rinsing does help lower the clumping some.

@wesleymyers8205 5 месяцев назад

I'm thinking of adding a tiny bit of gypsum to see if that helps with clumping

@longfeatherlong8228 4 месяца назад

@@wesleymyers8205 It does. Just a quarter teaspoon per quart jar/liter of grains. Sorry this is soooo late. I no longer use this tek myself tho. I dish and some now with better results(less contam and/or soggy). And I use the water after the summer for agar and it works great. Plus the grains are used to feeding on the nutrient by the time it goes to grain and they just take off. agar is 50/50 bottle water/grain water.

@wesleymyers8205 4 месяца назад

@@longfeatherlong8228 I tried simmering and it caused way more popped grains. maybe I did it for too long whats your technique steps? how long do you simmer milo

@longfeatherlong8228 4 месяца назад

@@wesleymyers8205 I rinse the grains 3 or 4 times, until the waste comes out clear. I remove all of the "floaters". Then I soak it with calcium for 24 hrs. Then I put that on the stove and heat it up until just before it boils or simmers(when little bubbles start to rise and it's steaming well. Then I pour out the water(saving it for agar late) and put the grains onto a screen or towels. I mix them around every 15 mins or so until they're dry on the outside. Then I jar them up and pc for 2 hrs. Shake when cooked enough to take out of pc.

@lyddiayannuzzi5564 Год назад

I screamed. HELLO PGT

@slartibartfast7921 Год назад

Thanks for doing what you do mate.

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

Thank you for being a part of this journey together 🙏🍄

@yes-jz5hd Год назад

I haven't been getting your videos in my feed. Keep up the content tho it's really good

@Thee-_-Outlier Год назад

Perfect timing!!! I've been procrastinating on preparing my next batch of grains even tho it's just soaking. It's because whenever I'm like imma sterilize some grains I have to soak and do other stuff first. Now when I'm inspired to sterilize and can just go right to that in essence now

@Knowledge_is_Power911 Год назад

lmfao thats me also

@macslavsquatblyat9476 Год назад

Same here! I wanted to switch grains up for cost effectiveness and Wild Bird Seed seems to be the way to go! Also like the idea that it is easy to shake, colonized well when innoculated and then easy to spawn to sub. Looking forward to trying this on my next grain run!

@mikessuttoncctx Год назад

Thank you PGT. You are one super badass dude!

@gojufckkcggc7292 Год назад

Listening on the speaker. My dog thinks it's meal time when you shake the seed🤣

@whom1382 Год назад

Gonna attempt long brown rice with this method now. CAME TO CLASS ON TIME WELCOME BACK

@boatshoes7131 3 месяца назад

How’d this work?

@edgarsscukins6142 Год назад

Amazing! Thank you!!

@macgreeze8287 Год назад

Long time no see glad your back.

@nxzca Год назад

you came back😁

@aaroncolvin2202 Год назад

I have tried nsns in the past. I didn't know that you could do it was WBS. I have done it with Millet and Oates . Thank you for sharing.🍄❤️

@doloinc Год назад

Wbs usually is 90% millet and Milo (sorghum), so carry over makes sense

@Fall3nL3g3nd Год назад

Yes this is exactly what i need i have 5 kgs of millet prepared for this moment :D

@donahuey Год назад

Hey PGT! Thanks for another great video. What are your thoughts (if any) on NSNS for WBS and contamination from heat resistant endospores? I’ve found so much conflicting info on the topic and I’d love to hear your thoughts!

@Shroomunati Год назад

The brown rice is where it’s at, had a textbook first grow

@shawnwillis7561 Год назад

I don't do a soak, but I do like to give my grains a rinse and a simmer. I like to get rid of residue and any garbage on the outside of the grain and then boil for 30 to hydrate.

@taylormadefungi9004 Год назад

PGT in the place to be good to see you my bro

@stacy.spenny Год назад

Ur the man

@rhyshatton9338 Год назад

Ive never done nsns but will give it a go🤘

@CalvinJTripp 11 месяцев назад

Awesome thanks I’m going with this method the only issue is I’ve been using a big tea pot to sterilize so I gotta get a pressure cooker soon! Cheaper and time consuming so my wife don’t get mad when making my medications lol!

@omg_wtf Год назад

Gave up on WBS. Just did some unicorn bags with millet and some with rye. I found the millet colonised quicker. Overnight soak, no simmer, then PC for 3hrs. Sorted!

@easybreezygrows Год назад

You must read my mind!!😂 I was gunna do a substrate video tomorrow!!! Great video my brotha!!!!

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

Appreciate you checking it out homie! 😎

@eliasdskill5008 19 дней назад

Thanks philly

@wvcruffler123 Год назад

I am using oats - trying for 45-50% moisture. Nominal moisture content for the dry oats is 10% so basically adding an equivalent amount of water minus 10-15% - 500g oats 425-450g water. Is you water addition based on the moisture content of the substrate or is there another issue to keep in mind w WBS etc. I am doing various oyster mushroom species.

@g-lurk Год назад

can you do a tour of your lab, and maybe your grow tent setup? I'd like to see how you manage humidity/temperature. I'm also curious how you protect your home from constant high humidity, AND ALSO how you manage spores being EVERYWHERE in your fruiting room when accessing the tent. thanks for all the great videos!!

@Waterkillsfish Год назад

Honestly love the mircophone

@Rolandfart Год назад

I always show up to class on time

@scottxd45 Год назад

If you didn’t already see this on patreon you’re late to class 😜

@alilou2002 Год назад

glad your back sir . i need your help in something .. ( so in this time my coco coir suplly didnt get me some ) so i decide to grow magic on sawdust . i know that magic are secondery consmateur so i add Bran and oats and milled wheat . sawdust is just for humidity and keeping water . and the others for some nutients Ps : i sterilze them . So now i am seeing a litlle mycelium that coming on top . so it s an good idea or just a bad one !

@vpoppv Год назад

Wow! I got out of mycology for a bit because of contam, but this seems easy enough to go right back in! Thank you!

@jarredwoolis4929 Год назад

Weak

@redditman3701 Год назад

Contamination is an issue with your process. If your not mindful enough to try and understand every step your taking then and its consequences i recommend to not get in to the hobby again.

@vpoppv Год назад

@@redditman3701 good point! This does look like a shortcut, and I do have much better ways to spend my time than mycology 😊. Thank you.

@squirlmy Год назад

@@redditman3701 that sounds a little too accusative. If there's a particular problem with the particular environment, and, for example a lack of access to a "flow hood" or something similar, then that's not a problem with understanding. I think it's a little strange how quickly RSN agreed with you and gave up. Surely that's not the result you are looking for?

@MrGuffpuff Год назад

I have had ups an downs first time no agar work 25% was good second time i did good from agar work while i also made lc from ms that was bad so went from 90% success to 0% success now im at 90% an counting down but realised i dont vent my pc so not sterilizng properly lol fcking love this hobby

@ThisFlowIsBananas Год назад

how are the results of this vs broke boi tek? I'm just getting started and don't have a pressure cooker, so I was wondering what you think the comparison/contrast of these two methods is.

@sanukthaiyoga6185 Год назад

Thnx Philly

@fathippie8404 7 месяцев назад

What are the elevated work rack/trays with the round holes called? And where can I buy them? Thanks!

@Patchwork_Panner Год назад

Thanks again

@dandy8308 11 месяцев назад

Why the foil around the top? Is for due to the lids that have FAE holes? And to stop grains getting more wet? Ive found even with tight dbl elastic bands atound foil, the grains still get too wet if theres a hole in lid. Not sure what to do

@joeben7861 Год назад

Ok so I see bird seed is a option. I have like bird chicken feed I get by 50lb a bag. I was curious if I could use that.

@GraftingAvocados Год назад

What would the ratios be for rye and sorghum for this method?

@modeob88 Год назад

I am using oats, you say fill the jar with 185gr oats and 215ml water. Assuming that I use jars of different sizes, we can say that it is correct to use a ratio of 215:185, that is -> 1.15 : 1 (water:oats) (gr:ml) ? Thanks

@justinrutlidge7367 Год назад

is it possible to wash the bird seed and do everything else the same? could really save me some time

@malamysalami2333 Год назад

Pgt 💕💕💕💕

@kerrid8392 4 месяца назад

Can you use metal lid with a ring? Do you still need to drill a hole in the lid? Thanks!😊

@GingeRenee 5 дней назад

I just made some popcorn grain jars with the drippy corn tek. I was nervous i had too much moisture as i could see moisture on the inside no puddling just moisture where the corn sitting so i’m glad you showed us the close up of the grain jars. I’m so ocd and want to succeed on this so i wanted to make sure im on the right track before i use the rest of my PE lc. I need to buy agar plates and liquid culture mix to save some genetics so i don’t have to wait for genetics to show up in the mail plus save money.

@VMKinnovations Год назад

@Phillygolden Teacher at what patreon level do we get access to your tutorial series?

@obsidianjaguar Год назад

does anybody have the exact water-to-grain ratio for rye berries, for some reason , yettis seem to like rye berries :)

@darladawn1111 Год назад

How bad is it if I have some bursted oates after cooking and before sterilizing? It's not a ton but I'm concerned more will burst during the sterilization process.

@kraigthirty4991 Год назад

ever experiment with a nsns popcorn tek? what would ratio of popcorn to water be? thanks

@firstnamelastname5883 Год назад

I'm popcorn through an through but I did buy a couple bags from Walmart I can try now thanks to ur vid🔥

@kraigthirty4991 Год назад

if you do nsns popcorn what popcorn to water ratio do you use? thanks

@firstnamelastname5883 Год назад

@@kraigthirty4991 3 bags of the 2lb yellow popcorn fits in my stock pot which makes 7 quart jars, put the corn in the pot and add water about 2-1/2" above the corn. Get it to a high boil at first then bump it down to a medium low boil for about 35-40 minutes. Then ur all good chief, let it air dry of course then sterilize

@el_teeny Год назад

about how much water should i put in the 23 qt pc for the 90 min run?

@LafBoi Год назад

I only do NSNS teks with my oats. Perfect every time.

@modeob88 Год назад

what kind of ratio are you using ? Normally i use 500cc jars (17oz) (500ml)

@LafBoi Год назад

@@modeob88 hey sorry I totally forgot to respond. I’m going over my notes at the moment, and I have written out 1oz oats to .75oz of water by weight. For jars, I do 7oz oats to 5.25oz of water. Bags I have written 35oz oats to 26.25oz water. I know I tried a slightly higher amount of oats and water this run, but I like to have my grains a bit dry just to make sure they aren’t goop. best to try a few different ratios to find your favorite! Hope this helped!

@rickpolar Год назад

It seems to me that a hybrid of NSNS and traditional soak/simmer would be best. Why not still wash the grains before jarring them for the NSNS? Seems like you'd get the best of both, cleaner less sticky grain with the ease of sterilizing/cooking the jars at the same time. Also, with the traditional soak/simmer it seems very easy to overcook the grain if you're boiling it and then also steaming them for 90 mins

@alextibbits5131 Год назад

he is back probably not for long but hes back

@FLAPERY Год назад

Hi im trying wheat and barley is there any reason why these shouldn't work the same

@uptagetnamn Год назад

Hey senpai i just wanted to tell you, you're awesome! I've learned so much in your videos and I'm working on my first grow now from spores to finish :)

@mywrongopinionslol7096 Год назад

Same

@robertdolin5563 6 месяцев назад

What about rinsing them good before hand but still no soak? I’m trying it like that gonna see how that goes.

@trevorvanzuydam8115 Год назад

Do the grains get cooked a bit or are they still raw ? Can mycelium grow on cooked grains ?

@Vinntiss Год назад

Would NSNS TEK also work with boxed brown rice? Thanks for all the help with theses videos!

@ethankaufman8577 10 месяцев назад

Plain brown rice you don't need to soak, a quick 10 minute simmer then drain rinse and pc works a treat and is only about 20 minutes more active time than nsns with more consistent results

@donniebrasco11 Год назад

Hey I send you love brother :)

@Purity262 Год назад

I'm using Hard Wheat kernels.. anyone know how much grain per water they require?

@lilpanini1351 Год назад

Do you add 150ml of water after a soak , or do you just PC after 24 hrs , mush love ❤

@thomasmorrison8933 Год назад

For bags should I just do it the same way?

@l.slayer551 7 месяцев назад

I’ve never had a problem with placing the additional three jars on the top layer with the NSNS method, and have done so many many hundreds of times. Just ensure the lid is oriented with the air exchange port toward the top so the water level is safely below the filter.

@Hay3s Год назад

would this work for brown rice or popcorn as well?

@drewallen3100 9 месяцев назад

Please sir can you tell me if you can do this with popcorn

@belenzucchini Год назад

Hi :) I just discovered your channel and I'm fascinated. In less than an hour I learned a huge number of things, so thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I'm very grateful. I have been using brown rice to grow psilocybe mushrooms mycelium, and I would like to know if you recommend this same technique with rice or recommend me more than use oats, millet or bird food. If so, which is more recommended? From already thank you very much. Greetings from Argentina!

@TeaTellyWMaria Год назад

PGT has a brown rice prep video as well.

@belenzucchini Год назад

@@TeaTellyWMaria Thanks Maria, I will see it :)

@jmichel70 Год назад

Thank you

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

🙏🍄

@captainbonez Год назад

This can be done in grain bags too right?

@sacredtherapies5707 Год назад

Hi - When using the black plastic Ball jar lids, can those go in the pressure cooker to sterilize grains? Will they melt if I don't modify them? I'm having a hard time finding this answer elsewhere. Thanks in advance!

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

Yes, black ball lids can be used as an unmodified method. Just keep the lids a quarter turn or so loose when you pressure cook them so they have some exchange to prevent the jar from breaking. They won't melt, but over time, they may start to warp a bit. Good luck on your journey! 🙏

@thecandyman5321 Год назад

Do you think he upload between long mushroom trips in the woods

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

Maybe! 😄🍄

@Pateffs Год назад

My grains end up in big clump inside the jar. How to avoid this? its turns like to a porridge

@skurrix Год назад

Ayeeee 💪

@timm5358 Год назад

Spitball's Quick Rye Prep... an even better alternative.

@themyceliumnetwork Год назад

I tried this in 2lb filter patch bags with longer PC time, it comes out a little dry so I added an extra 40 ml H2O & all works out. guessing the bags lose more water than jars in the PC for 2 hours to 2.5 hours (90 mins never works for me personally)

@mckennarayburn9734 7 месяцев назад

Can you fill up the jars anymore than this? When I Measured the whole grains it didn't even fill up to half the jar?

@FuzzyButtCheese 10 месяцев назад

Thx brother 🤗

@eeassa Год назад

Why don't you use a lid modified with an incubation port as well?

@TanyaWells Год назад

Trying it today! I even bought a real pressure cooker. Let the unreasonable anxiety of pressure cooking begin!

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

That's great. It's awesome to have a pressure cooker! Wish you the best, you got this! 🙏

@ObakuZenCenter Год назад

Way to go. Do update us how things are progressing.

@toddwmac Год назад

Great to see you back PGT! Just got done taking a clone from a bomber fruit thanks to all your lessons. If my notes from your other videos are correct, I noticed you decreased the millet in your ratio to a 1.77:1 from a 2:1. Did something specific change or did you just tweak it over time? Appreciate all your efforts!

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

Nothing specific, just tweaked it over time.

@cubertbensin Год назад

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher what are those stainless work tables/shelves you use in front of your hood called?

@VMKinnovations Год назад

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher at what patreon level do we get access to your tutorials?

@PhillyGoldenTeacher Год назад

@@VMKinnovations the pgt fam tier and anything above it

@VMKinnovations Год назад

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher tks...you well deserve the top tier anyways...that was a brain fart from me 😆

@BuckFoeJiden Год назад

I've been using coir/vermiculite with powdered oyster shell and bat guano mixed in. I'm running a batch with some added food grade cellulose right now that's out performing anything else I've ran to date.