10,000 consistent players for multiple years is amazing for any regular game. For how inaccessible VR still is for a lot of people, it's a downright miracle for a VR game.
I was really surprised. 10k is actually a lot especially for a niche game. They're delusional to call that small but they probably think in mobile terms which is a very different field... making trash mobile money-farms fits meta really well, maybe they can buy Blizzard if Microsoft backs out
Agreed! Looking at the wrong numbers, example from the video being the tens of millions of people that have access to VR. Compare it to a big video game vs all people that have access to a computer, then 10k in VR is REALLY good
Sure, but not for his baldness, man VR is niche as fuck, 10k on average on a game: A: isn't being promoted as fuck B: is niche and inacessible to most of the gaming community C: isn't being constantly updated and having tons of content being added constantly I'll tell you it's more than a miracle it's a feat...it's a case of success. You can't have fortnite/league of legends results without fortnite/league of legends investments, structure, commitment
@I don't care Unfortunately I can see VR headed that way. It'll be treated like mobile gaming all because the quest can "go anywhere". I'd rather have tethered PC VR. It's all I use my quest 2 for anyway. Better PCVR games that aren't on quest
i really struggle to believe that he just made this dumbass desicion because he actually thought 10k players was small, there HAS to be some "replacement " they are planning
He left for a reason. Facebook trying to turn VR into the next frontier was a failure and a joke from the outset. A side-gig at best, not the final crescendo. Meta is FINALLY listening to the investors dumping their stock like it's hot lava because for some reason, people don't want to invest in a company that's bleeding money like a waterfall. Nobody should blame Meta for ditching VR, they should blame Meta for trying to sell it as aggressively as they did in the first place. Otherwise it would've been a happy little side-venture of hobbyists doing their own thing.
10:19 “He pumps ads to kids on Facebook and now shuts down games people like” chat calling him “corpo slime” is one of the most accurate insults in history.
"pumps ads to kids on facebook" doesn't Charlie and other content creators do the same thing? Isn't that projecting on Charlies part? Oh right he's funny popular internet man none of his audience has the fking brain capacity to call him out on his bullsh*t. Nah not wholesome charlie here.
3 year old game with over 10,000 players? That's literally better than many AAA titles... And to accomplish that as a VR game? WTF?!?! That sounds like a *healthy* community that's just waiting to pop!
@@VixinVR No it isn’t, the quest version is 3 years old and this is 95% of the community, the 6 years you are thinking go back to when it was a part of lone echo
@@Reactiontime6000 it was never part of Lone Echo, it was released as "Echo Arena" in the summer of 2017. I was there. And a massive part of the influential members in the community come from well over 3 years ago. The game is 6 years old.
He sounds like the type of guy to stare at a lost baby ant in his entrance, talk down to it about how pathetic it is, then killing it and feeling accomplished for the rest of the day
And also putting food out so the rest of the ants leave the mound and then pours molting Alluminum in the hill. Then telling the ants to stop thinking about themselves.
I am a member of an Echo Vr VRML team. This announcement was literally made on my birthday, it sucked. I appreciate you so much penguinz0, this could legitimately help us blow this up and get it to a huge audience. Thank you so, so much.
it wouldn't. they don't give a shit, all they care about is number go up. actually good people at the top are very few and far between in the corporate space because they get chased out of the place before they can get to that rank most of the time and the shitty people get rewarded cause that's how the system is designed to be like, prioritize short term profit.
First of all, such decisions are not even made by CEOs. They are under the commands of investors to ensure the finances are well. They don't care about this because it is frankly none of their business.
not different at all, are you familiar with the concept that money is what makes the world go round? unless theres a financial incentive to follow popular demand or watch these videos or do literally anything at all they aint doing it bud
The fact how he only talks about numbers is so telling to the true nature behind the decision. All he cares about how much money it’ll make him and to him it’s just not enough. And I don’t think people should be like that should be in charge of creative decisions like this; it’s so upsetting to see people crush everything just because they don’t make enough money off it. Wasn’t aware of this until this video, and my heart goes out to the community for Echo VR. It looks like such a fun game and it’s awful to see such a passionate community get let down by some boz(o) who’s just in it for the money. As someone in the arts, it’s so hard to watch creative projects that are loved by many to be shut down for such selfish and out of touch reasons. If there’s a way we can make a change to this decision, please let me know
There's nothing wrong with wanting a profit. The problem lies when that becomes your whole personality, like you're a zombie to money. Even if I could afford a Lambo, I'm just going to think about that guy that says that you life is wasted and over if you haven't earned one while you're in your 20s. Or that guy that thinks a millionaire is poor. That stuff should be appreciated, and if you worked hard for it, good for you. But to tell someone to be insulted because they could only afford a new Corvette Stingray and not a Bugatti, is not someone that I can get along with. Cardi B stealing wallets because her six figure salary as a stripper couldn't pay the bills, is not a good role model and shouldn't be praised.
It’s crazy that the zuck will say things like “we want to get ahead in the vr space” and then throw away the only thing they have going for them. Essentially the largest vr esport game, is on the leading edge of the “vr space”
Echo VR has already made its comeback, there are people who broke into the code and created a way to play with people online with a mod, but this is ONLY FOR PC at the moment, as it is a mod.
The games just felt really off since it came back and the community will never be able to grow as easily as it would before. Any esports going on would be a potential legal issue too and it made up a large part of the community
Hey, as a member who has been in the Echo VR community since the beginning, I completely agree. This could not be more outrageous because I’ve played video games my whole life and I’ve never come across a game with the perfect mesh of sports and video games, this game made me meet some of my favorite people in this world and I’ve made money off of this game. The game is most definitely not dead. I search for a public match and get one in less than 30 seconds. All that to say I am sad I may be attending my last LAN event this Spring. Thank you for making this Charlie
@@Cuumerr Your contrarian comment is also just looking for likes Every human interaction you've ever had is disingenuine. Everyone secretly hates you behind your back and plots your demise
In terms of VR, there’s simply no product as close to the Quest VR product quality. I hate Meta company as a whole and I wish more companies took VR a bit more serious, sadly it seems only Meta is taking VR serious.
I used to play this a lot, not in games, but in the lobby. The community was so nice which is surprising since I was young and my voice was squeaky. It’s really a shame.
I remember back when I got a quest 2, echo vr was one of the first games I tried. I went through the tutorial, realized that the game wasn’t exactly for me, but went into the lobby anyway to explore. For the next couple of hours, I just played and joked around with the people there and had one of the best experiences I’ve ever had in vr to this day. I truly mourn the fact that others who are new to vr won’t have that same warm and fun introduction to it all.
R.I.P. Echo. My most played VR game all time. I met so many absolutely amazing people playing this game, and am so honored to have been apart of this great community. Guess I’ll go play my last games, good luck everyone!
@@kanedaduskblade9196 Not everyone is a 10 year old screaming child lol but even with that being the majority, I still had a ton of fun and made some unforgettable memories. So yes, I am honored :)
As one of the very first Echo Arena players from back in 2017, and as someone who's watched you before you even did a face reveal, holy crap, thank you so much for giving this visibility. I've been gaming my entire life, and I can say that games and communities like Echo Arena are one in a million. The base is ridiculously dedicated and passionate, and it's become so much more than a game to us. It's seriously become a home, a family, and a sanctuary to thousands of us, who've been playing it for an upwards of 6 years now (going back to PC release). The main comp league alone has ~4000 active users across hundreds of teams. Last year alone, I went to ~10 Echo LANs+meetups across the country. This game and community saved my life, and saved so many others. Now we want to do all we can to return the favor, and save it. Thank you, cr1tikal.
@Tina Are you for real? Meta's CTO graduated from university 19 years ago, but of course, everyone and their mother blames the world's shortcomings on the youngest generations casually disregarding the role they had themselves in shaping the present.
I love how companies just hire people to fill corporate positions in industries they know fuck all about but ask for years of experience from entry level hires.
@@iceykush 660k subs is niche, mainstream is like 10m nowadays lol, in between 1m and 10m, is somewhat normal for established creators of established subjects.
it’s funny how this man’s one decision just showed how little he knows about video games. I don’t even think you could find many vr games that actively have 10,000 people playing everyday
8:00 meta looks at it’s users like objects, they think that they own them just because they have a meta account, so im pretty sure they don’t take user loss into consideration with their decisions
I have been playing echo for 4 years, and when they announced this shutdown, I- I didn’t even know what to do, I had spent over 1,00 hours in this game, over $200 on the game. And for all of this to be taken away broke my heart. But with you helping our cause we might be able to do something about this!!! Thank you from me and the entire Echo VR community
I've been playing echo arena for 4 years now. To say I'm experienced with the game is an understatement. This game is like no other. The movement alone is completely different than the standard and it really is a showcase on how great VR games can be especially at VRML Esports level. On behalf of the echo community, Thank you for bringing this to the light.
Haven’t played as long, only for about a year, but 100%. It’s a massively fun game, and really shows the capabilities of VR gaming as opposed to social VR (which I’m still a big part of) To see it shutting down is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen
@@EagleScout2019 didnt play it but like 5 times with my friends. But It was one of the most immersive games on the platform. To see it go away is really sad. It makes no sense either cause the few times I did play the lobbies where full. But it really sucks for the people who dedicated years to it the most. I hate most of their changes anyways one being the shit new name. Oculus was such a more badass name. What do cooperations care about us anyways.
Maybe you should write to Boz and ask him, “Have you seen the numbers for Meta’s other projects lately?” By his logic, Mark Zuckerberg’s favourite projects would have been shut down 3 years ago and the Zuck would have been shown the door!
Been playing echo since before the quest 2 was even out, and it’s been a place for me to escape, relax, make friends, and create memories that will last me a lifetime. Boz has no idea what he’s done, and we’re going to make sure he never fucking forgets. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for covering this story, this game means the world to me.
I don’t think Boz understands VR. Not many people play VR. So that many consistent players is pretty high for VR. Also they are having LAN events with prizes?! That’s the first time I’ve heard of a VR scene that big
Two things they could do: 1. Instead of shutting down the servers that run echo arena, dedicate the server to it. 2. Keep the game up, leave it how it is (no updates, bug fixes) and go work on another project
I am just as sad/angry as the community BUT it will be less likely that they will change their minds about shutting it down because they have already made the decision. There is a few things we can do in this short amount of time leading up to the shutdown like keeping our interest in the game by playing, keeping others interested in the game, and recommending this to other people in other communities. Good luck to you all on finding a new game if you don’t “abandon” vr after this is over and have a good day/evening.
I just started playing this game because I got an oculus for christmas. I’ve got to say it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played. The community is amazing and the love for the game is off the charts from the users still playing. I really hope that there is a way we can keep the game alive because Echo VR is that game that I go to when I don’t know what to do.
I never played an actual match of Echo VR but I spent an entire day in the lobby because it was so goddamn epic flying around tossing stuff at people, punching dudes and singing songs the worst you can. And all that wasn’t even the actual game 🗿
I dont pay attention to basically anything that happens on the internet, but am always happy to hear Big Charles explain it to me in an entertaining and concise way
I didn't play a lot of echo, but I do actively play onward which is a part of the VRML (The biggest vr esports league containing both echo and onward which I represent) and losing echo is awful because it will most likely cause less funding to the league due to echo being it's biggest game. This change hits very close to home and to see it being covered by you is amazing, The echo community is truly massive and wayy bigger than any other vr game out there by a reasonable amount aswell.
As someone who is heavily in the VR community and fandom thanks for getting Thrill's video out to more people. It's dope seeing his video get to a larger crowd.
Thanks for speaking out about this, Charlie; it means a lot to the entire Echo community. Can't tell you how much we all appreciate the support and visibility you are giving us. This is more than just a game, we're going to do whatever we can to save it
@@user-iq4xz6lv8q we aren't crying, we're just pretty made that our tens/hundred of hours have gone to waste by some nobody, you shouldn't brown-nose a company literally stealing money, it's basically a crime in some place
I’ve played this game since i was 12-13. I’m now 17. This game has been apart of my life for a very long time. I’ve made money and played at the highest level for years. Truly heartbreaking seeing greed and stupidity at a giant corporation like Meta. Thanks for the coverage Charlie, the Echo community loves you!
Sadly you can't define Meta without the words greed and stupidity. Been like that since the beginning. I am just hoping either Ready At Dawn becomes independent or the community makes a viable successor to Echo VR, because Meta will kill VR if it keeps being the dominant force.
@@aloaloings5596 it’s not wasting years, it’s not just like a game it’s a different kinda thing. Ik ctzn not too well but this bros like one of the top players ever. Echo is so much different than just a game tho. Can’t believe the amount of memories and friends I have from this
Charlie, thank you SO MUCH for bringing attention to echo vr and what is happening to it. I have been a nonstop player of this game with hundreds to thousands of hours in it. We can not thank you enough, you may make a massive impact on this situation.
Echo VR is seriously one of the first VR experiences that I fell in love with and hearing this news initially was and still is heartbreaking. I truly hope that there's someway that this can turn around. Highly unlikely but still hoping for the best
I'm absolutely so sad because of this, echo was my first vr game I took seriously, it brand the esports leagues to me and I've been playing in it for the past 2-3 years I'm so sad
I have spent almost 5 years of my life dedicating a lot of time to this esport because I believed it would not only make it big, but it was also an extremely fun game that a lot of people would have enjoyed playing. I have met so many of my closest friends on this game so thank you so much charlie/moist. This means so much to not just me but all of the community and we appreciate the support. Even if moist esports isn't a part of echo I will still consider it to be a beast within the echo community.
Why is it baffling? I get that it's a bummer but these kinds of things should be expected at this point imho. It's a shame but businesses like Meta don't and will never care about the player experience or enjoyment. It's ALWAYS about the money, and Meta is "too big to fail" now. They don't care about stupid decisions like this because the c-suite doesn't exist in the same world any of us do.
@@leviathan1832 the weird thing is that this time it isn't about the money. the game doesn't have active development. It's just server costs and surely they could find a way to further monetize the game if they're really not making a profit. This game isn't dead, and even as someone who is pretty much numb to business decisions hurting gamers this one caught me off guard.
@@leviathan1832 It's baffling cos it doesn't make sense money wise either, they're harming their company with these decisions. And all they're gaining is the cost of running a few servers. It's negligible for a company like them. So it is baffling. None of makes sense morally or business-wise.
@@leviathan1832 It's not baffling but a pretty stupid business decision because they're losing a lot of potential. Having a working game + playerbase isn't easily reproducible and helps them to solidify in the space and to branch out. A lot of gaming companies run games on a net loss because they know that just having it is worth it.
Things I remember: First kiss: First time driving: First time flying: First A on test: First time parents said im proud of you: First time favorite video game gets shut down: Rest in peace Battleborn. 🙏
i began playing echo vr on release. i have played with the top players, became a top player, and competed in multiple leagues/events. i truly believe that meta are money hungry gremlins. they began by cutting server costs, so all the servers would be horrendous. then, they just up and decide to end the game. sad how they’re ruining future potential, future friendships, and a thriving community that is inclusive. i have had probably the most fun in my life meeting people in echo and just messing around. thank you for making this video charlie, i had to do a double take because i couldn’t believe you spoke out for an old passion of mine. have a good day all.
@@sneakoretardedfans I literally watched him talk about this live on twitch, I knew what the video was about dipshit. You talking shit in the comments is the attention seeking here. God forbid I comment on something I actually care about.
Thank you Charlie. As one of the loyal players in Echo I have little to no voice in what happens to our Community and Echo in general. It absolutely broke my heart to see that my favorite game of 4yrs is getting shut down, I’m extremely glad to hear that our voice is getting heard. We need to Fight For Echo and are so thankful that your supporting our community’s fight and Echo as a whole. your service with this video is a ray of hope that our game is getting saved. We thank you Charlie
You underestimate your power. If the community bands together to fight back, you can force these people to backpeddle. It's happened with dnd, it happened with Netflix. We can do it to Facebook.
@@callmequaz9052 It happened with dnd because they faced huge backlash from most of their current customers, for a plan that might bring more. Netflix is the same shit, current users hated the change enough, that their potential loss/gain ratio wasn't good. The whole facebook vr thing is already a financial disaster. You could bankrupt a AAA game studio with the amount of money they lose. And it doesn't mean squat to them, but why would it? They make sooo much more money. It's the same thing as Valve games, dealing with little games making some money having some 10k players is waaay below them. People at Valve have some passion for their games, so they keep them chugging along. People at facebook don't.
Trying to find out if Charlie is being sarcastic or not in his intros is a challenge within itself and it's just one of the many reasons why I love this channel.
Thank you it means a lot! I think right now we are trying to get as many people as possible involved to send Meta a message so if you want to help we could use it!
thanks for the support lmao, its crazy rn how many people are involved/tryna get involved and we are still probably going to need more. Really hope this works 🤞
Thank you for covering this, I wasn't expecting you to but I'm hoping your reach can help expand the modding community of echo vr so we can create our own servers and keep the game going long past Meta cutting it from their game lists!
as a competitive player it especially hurts to have grinded this game for so long, and be so close to a goal of one of the best, just for the game to shut down in the end. And no doubt this sentiment is shared by every other competitive team, which also extends to new players which grows the scene even more. It really just does not makes sense to say it is dying.
The best thing about Charlie is he just puts what you need to know right there in the beginning so if I'm strapped for time or get interrupted in the middle of the vid i'm good
I’m really happy you talked about this, this issue is really concerning me. Echo VR was one of the best games on the market right now and it was essentially the first example of an entire new sport in VR. I even made it onto an esports team for it at one point and I met incredible people through it, and it’s changed me for the better. Im hoping that the backlash will change their minds, but I’m not holding my breath
I played Echo Combat when it released and immediately joined the weekly community tournaments and made a team. It was really the first game I ever got competitive in and I haven't really since. It's truly been the single best multiplayer experience of my life. It's the perfect combination of concept, execution, medium (VR), and art style. Being in that game was like a second body and felt as intuitive as my own real body. The way you moved about zero g space was just sublime. It if weren't locked by oculus and were on steam it really would have blown up sky high.
Although I've never played the game myself one of my friends competes on one of the top teams in Echo and it was so sad to hear how devastated he was to hear that the servers were shutting down. Its horrible to see how the game that he plays competitively got ruined by one person in charge. I'm hoping for the entire fanbase that something works out in the end, no matter how unlikely.
when i first got my vr, echo was the first game i downloaded.. man this game was so fun i remember playing for hours.. its sad to see another fun game with a steady player base get buried for no good reason
I think this is happening because meta is pushing VR to be business oriented. Their new quest pro is meant to be for meetings and now they are removing games to "improve the experience". The problem is that this won't happen. The older people that go to meetings very often struggle to set up a nickname on a zoom call. Now tell them to pair the VR controllers, set up an account, avatar, download a game, join the correct room and troubleshoot a few problems. On top of that noone will be the only goofy VR face in a zoom call. Everyone would be questioning your cartoon look instead of focusing on the meeting. There is not going to be a breakthrough unless every single person in the meeting is going to have an expensive headset.
This is pretty sad. I’ve never had more fun interacting with a community like I have with Echo. Between talking and joking around with your teammates and opponents in a game and playing made up mini games with the people in the lobby, there’s nothing like it. I remember that this kid showed me and this other guy how to play air hockey up in that vent area in the lobby and a 2v1 turned into a 6v3. Just a bunch of different people cramming themselves into this little space just to take turns chucking the lobby disk towards the other vent opening while joking around and talking and some of the kids even trying to flirt with one of the girls playing. I can’t even find a word to describe how it felt to be a part of that, especially never being social growing up. And that story was only one of dozens that I have playing that game. I hope we don’t see it go. There’s something special about it that I wish everyone can experience.
As an ex-Ready at Dawn dev, I know this is devastating news to the team. They were always active in trying to keep new events going and a stream of new content coming in. I don't doubt that Meta has shuttered this to make a talented team work on trying to keep Horizons from drowning, instead of focusing on actually making games. My heart goes out to the team. Also, there are the PC stand-alone games that I can't imagine would get pulled down - they don't require online components or a server. Give them a try if you haven't - Lone Echo and Lone Echo2 they're really fantastic VR games.
