Porsche Taycan range test 100%-0% driven until it died! Then how long to recharge? (Not long!) 

That is the wrong to look at charging speed. You need to look at how many miles of usable range were added in 21 minutes to compared to other cars. The Model S Plaid starting at 5% to 70% takes 23 minutes adding 213 miles of EPA range vs the Taycan starting at 0-80% in 21 minutes adding around 207 miles. Obviously the Tesla Plaid starting at 0% SOC could get the same 207 miles under 20 minutes with a 450V architecture.

Hardly. That's only 200 miles in 21 mins. My basic Model 3 SR+ adds 180miles in 25 mins on a standard supercharger. Like the 3SR+ , the Taycan is at the bottom end of acceptable and theres no Long Range version

That’s sensational 😊👍

@@sybaseguru 20 000 buyers so far this year seem to like bottom end cars

@@sybaseguru I guess the rwd Taycan is a kind of range model.

Yes great facilities. Simple to use as they all should be and always fast. Gives us one of only a couple locations to be able to charge Tesla and non-Tesla side by side

Thanks for kind words ☺️ We do our best along our travels!

I just wish we would be able to see the charger display instead of the unneccessary big black text fields that fill up the screen.

We tried but there was just too much reflection to make it very worthy. We’ll do it again some day don’t worry

Thanks for subbing

Taycan 4s has one of the best tested ranges: 323 miles according to www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html Of course if you choose the big and open wheels you get less, the Tesla Plaid also has 48 miles penalty (per factory specs) with the bigger wheel option.

What is 'simply nuts' about it? Tesla's cars have been doing similar for years.. and some actually would beat this speed as far as miles gained in the time spent. A model 3 on a V3 Supercharger will gain a little more miles in little less time. I'm not saying the Taycan isn't impressive.. I'm just saying.. this isn't nuts.. it's not the best in the world.. it's very good! But.. there's a lot of comments here that seem like they don't realize this stuff already exists at a far lower price.. and with a far better charging network.

@@airheart1 True, you now get the 800V power with Ioniq 5 for half the price. But Taycan still has the best numbers and looks better than the rest. I mean, sustaining an average of 200+ kW 0-80 % is unheard of.

@@airheart1 Remember that Tesla has been doing this for many years before Porsche came on board. So they have experience making electric cars. Therefore faster charging performance is to be expected from them by virtue of them having done it for much longer. And if you want to be honest, the first Teslas were not really charging that fast when they were first launched. Some Tesla Model S/X are still charging at slower rates even today because their onboard equipment was not designed to cope with such a massive amount of energy so quickly. It was only when the Model 3 and the V3 Superchargers were launched that Tesla charging speed ramped up quite a bit. So give Porsche some credit. This is their very first EV that is already charging very fast. Also, remember that Teslas don't charge that fast on third party public charging stations to be fair. They only charge fast on their own dedicated Tesla Superchargers. So to know that you can simply drive up to any high power third party public charging station in a Taycan and charge this fast is quite remarkable. Nuts, in a way.

@@chillout1109 not saying in any way the Taycan is not impressive. And i guess I expect a lot from any Porsche from day 1 with their experience and heritage. I just get the impression from the preponderance of comments I read in this story, that many think this is the first car to ever charge quickly lol. And for the record, my 2017 model S charges at just shy of 200 kwh at its peak on V3 supercharger. And most European Tesla’s have both the Tesla and CCS ports and thus get the best of both worlds. Supposedly Tesla will open their chargers to all CCS capable cars by the end of the year.. we’ll see. That will be a HUGE boon for all other EVs. There is so many more of them and they are generally more reliable.

How far do you drive each single day? If you drive more than 250 every day, then an ICE car is much better suited for you at the moment, until batteries are more advanced to a level where they will be able to charge from 0-100 in less than 15 minutes or so. However, if you, like the majority of ordinary drivers out there, only drive less than 100 miles per day, then the 259 mile Taycan is perfectly fine. On those occasional very long trips that you take once a year, routing your trip via these 350KW chargers would make such occasional once-per-annum journeys perfectly doable. Don't get hung up on extra long range batteries and such. Very few people, if any, actually routinely drive that far without stopping for comfort and safety breaks (where you then charge). A 250 mile range car is the sweet sport, especially here in Europe where there aren't any vast swathes of uninhabited travel-able pieces of land, like in the US, where you might risk not finding a charger in the middle of nowhere. As for the Taycan price, well, it IS a premium vehicle. It's not directed at the masses. For example, if you go berserk in the Taycan Turbo S options list, it's very easy to break through the £180,000 barrier. It's a very expensive car. But there are very good cheaper cars if you prefer that : Polestar 2, Model 3 Long Range, VW ID.3 Pro S to name a few.

True but I think range anxiety is personally my biggest worry. My commute is typically between 150 to 200 miles a day so totally doable. It's probably just those occasions where I do something else after work or head home and don't end up charging for whatever reason. Its that moment you start the car for an important day ahead and then realise you need an extra 30 mins to top up the battery somewhere. Once charging network improves I could then probably live with it. Shmee150 details his frustrations at finding available and working charge stations. I can just see that happening to me.

@@chillout1109 "An ICE car's much better suited"? I've posted elsewhere here. Richard ran from Edinburgh airport to Heathrow, charged for 27 minutes, and drove home. That single charge enabled a total range *In excess* of 660 miles, based on his figures for the day..... With a buffer. You DO NOT need more, certainly in the UK.

You do realize you could just buy a Tesla and get similar charge rates and save a bundle of money and actually have a much better charging experience in general.. right?

Real world 200 miles is plenty for the UK (so quoted 250 - 300 miles). After that you're just carrying around weight and using up resources that would be better used making batteries for more cars. 150 miles without a stop is pushing the limit for comfort and safety (realistically 3 hours for most UK routes). Start with battery at 100%, drive 150 miles until range is around 25%. Charge for 10 minutes to 75%. Drive 150 miles, charge for 10 minutes. Repeat endlessly. The missing link is charging infrastructure, not battery size or charging speed. For your 250 mile daily commute, you're not going to want to break your journey either way so you need low speed destination charging - car parks won't be able to provide enough fast chargers do you end up having to move your car during the day which is also a pain. Most people in an office carpark won't need to charge during the day, so you could equip a decent number of spaces with 2kW chargers; an 8 hour working day would give you 16kWh top up so you'd have plenty to get home. Like I say, it's not quite there for your situation yet, but I think it's the charging rather than the cars that needs improving.

If you have 21 inch wheels you would have to buy 20 inch winter wheels anyway because 21 inch only come in summer tyres. It will cost an extra £4500 - £5000

Yes but the max charging speed of the car is "only" 250kW

I believe the max charging rate is up to 270kW

Thanks. Always a matter of taste of course. The sound box and chrono pack I like. I don’t have any premium audio or keyless entry which is silly. I think if I were ordering new I wouldn’t worry so much about spending on £5k wheels and brakes but get interior comfort options instead. all down to preferences….

@@RSEV Thanks, and what about the performance battery pack is it worth it? I’ll be trading in a Tesla model 3 lfp and the range is more than enough for me, I seen TeslaBjorn do a range test on the standard 80kwh battery and it seems to have good range…a lot of people on the forums seem to be of the opinion that resale will be affected without the performance battery again advise will be much appreciated. Thanks

@@RSEV agree with this! My taycan i will prioritize features

That makes absolutely no sense. Buy the car you can afford rather than some stripped out luxury car. If you want to get your money's worth from a Taycan, get what you think you need, because we all have different ideas of what is important. For example. Get the club leather, because the standard leather or what ever it is, is like sitting on the plastic Tesla calls leather. Get the 18 way seats with ventilation. Why? It will make the A/C work less hard when it's hot. Get the heat and noise insulated windows as they will both add to the range but also make the car feel more luxurious. Get the carbon ceramic brakes to save weight. Get the performance plus battery. Get heads up display. Get the PDCCS as it's a heavy car. Get the exterior sport pack to liven it up. Make sure to spec some extra leather interior bits, otherwise you'll have a ton of dull plastic everywhere. In short, you either get a Taycan that is not meant to be cheap as that's going feel cheap, o you get a Taycan that feels like what you'd expect it to feel like. If that's an issue, look at Audi E-Tron GT for example and spec that up instead. There's a reason why the Turbo S is a good value for money. Lastly, anything that adds range will tend to be a plus in resale, and so will comfort options. Few people buy these with being budget friendly in mind. Same goes for the used market.

If you want range, get something else. Love my Turbo S, but it's an A to B car really. They are not for fun road trips with spirited driving. They are nice to drive but the range is not there for that. It's a great comfy DD that is fast, but that's it.

But charging is not as fast as the Taycan :-)

@@woolychewbakker5277 yeh. However they are more efficient so the miles/min recovered during charging should be around the same if not better. At the end of the day that's what you care about on a road trip

@@supaahflyy . If that’s what you care about, go by ICE :-)

@@woolychewbakker5277 what... That statement has absolutely no logic to it. Someone states that recovered miles per minute is the best way to measure charging speed rather than KW, which doesn't take into account efficiency and your response is 'get an ICE' Good one. Now you can be quiet so I can discuss with someone with a semblance of logic

@@supaahflyy . Maybe I read wrong. I thought time for the journey was the important thing, miles/minute. What the Plaid lost in charging time it could make up in range due to efficiency? An ICE will always have the advantage of being able to complete a long journey quicker than a BEV. The ICE will always have longer range and faster fueling time. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Ha ha I heard… 😂👏🤝

A lot of people including myself use our cars for road trips. The Taycan can't really do this. For this reason my Taycan is a comfy A to B car.

Bournemouth to Stafford to rugby. Forthcoming video is from rugby back to Bournemouth v etron gt v Tesla SP100d

@@RSEV Nice. :) Can’t wait.

@@RSEV According to my maths, 93kwh and 263(ish) miles is about 2.83 miles per kwh, which isn’t that great.

@@SirHackaL0t. 93kwh gross. Less is useable and some is taken by other consumables. But the trip back will show how efficiency a Tesla compares… 😙

@@RSEV Cool 😎

Yes good idea…

A good idea, but I think very very few cars. The Tesla charge port is right on the corner of the vehicle, there is enough cable slack to allow for bad parking but not for a charge port anywhere other than left rear or right front corner. Even a Honda E probably wouldn't reach without some bad parking. In the US Tesla would need an adapter to CCS anyway, so they could make that as an extension cable or a new cable on the charger. In Europe whilst they already have a CCS plug I think they would need longer cables... Which would spoil the good design of having a short cable that doesn't tangle on the ground. Depends how badly they want to support non Tesla vehicles (is this for sales or for govt grant money).

That is my point. I do not think many cars will be able to use them. I have seen a few cars in pictures plugged into them thinking they can use them without success.

@@BanksSF I am sure it will make for an entertaining video to see just how badly you have to park some cars to make the cable reach. This could end up with people blocking two (parking in the next bay over if your charge port is on wrong side) or three (parking parallel to charger if charge port is on the side) bays to connect up. Most likely Tesla will start putting in some 'other brand' friendly chargers or drive thru rather than reverse park bays. Opening up their network is about installing more chargers not over utilising their existing ones (which are quite often full with a short queue in the north east), which benefits everyone, hopefully they get that Ballance right and don't inconvenience customers in the short term (including the non Tesla ones). Longer term as you get more 8+ bay 200+kw charging installs from other brands I think waiting to charge and worries about network sharing will go away, but short term there could be growing pains... Mainly for those who have to rely on the non Tesla public CCS or Chademo charging infrastructure which varies from dire to amazing.

and the new LR is not only cheaper than the Taycan, its also much quicker than the 4S.

@@fyoukungflu5881 There is that.....

😜 (The wrap, not the poo!)

You'll look like a real poser with a racing wrap on a non-racing marque

@@pasad335 (He'll be legit once the new S does the Nordschleife!😉)

@@rogerstarkey5390 Heck, I've driven on the ring, that doesn't mean anything except that you can pay the entrance fee.

About £5 (charged at home on low overnight rates). Public charging costs more (see latest video for a 600 mile in a day trip with the Taycan which includes charging costs for that). it’s not about being cheaper than petrol (but it is)

@@RSEV Cheers, this video I commented on is my first review, it popped up on my tablet this morning, as I mentioned great review and knowing the difference in cost can and will I think encourage those to commit to the change, As for Battery Cars promoting Climate Change that’s another debate, When Monaco at present is spending over £1B extending their City INTO THE OCEAN right at this moment The climate emergency is ONE BIG SCAM ? Thanks for your early response …. Great content !

@@RSEV Running an EV is stupidly expensive here in Europe if you rely on CCS chargers.

That very, very much depends on the design. The killer in terms of big wheels is usually the weight. And rotational mass matters a hack of a lot. It is not hard to get super low rolling resistance tyres for these wheels, so the profile is not the thing to worry about, weight is. For this reason, get ceramic brakes too.

Yes… will try when I get the chance. 👍

It’s a wrap. Dirty Martini wrap.

Don't be lying now. That's really your car, isn't it?😀

But the initial range gives you a headstart a shorter range car will have trouble to close. We saw this with the 673 mile B.E.N. challenge Mustang Mach-E vs etron 55 in Germany. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M-Sqb08hiuU.html

@@abraxastulammo9940 - I’m just speaking in general, not for speed; if batteries were capable of charging at this rate most people wouldn’t need to drag large heavy batteries around.

@@Petelmrg Most EV owners charge at home so they typically only need one day's range anyway. Ioniq with 28 kWh did everything right 4 years ago with its small, fast charging battery and extreme efficiency.

@@abraxastulammo9940. Most current EV owners in the uK charge at home. The problem comes with the 33% of the UK that can’t charge at home.

Since filming this I questioned the cars calculations as I spotted it reset itself during a drive. You’ll see me mention this in a subsequent video. BUT not all 93 are useable, probably more like 86, plus then some is used for other consumables so energy is used which is not converted to mileage completed….

93 = gross capacity

@@RSEV Thanks for the reply.

Bournemouth to Hilton park to Stafford to rugby 👍

£24.75

I am amazed anyone finds that attractive on $150k car lol.. it looks like it belongs on some crappy tuner car with a oil can for an exhaust

@@airheart1 great looking gritty wrap.

@@AdrianMcDaid we’ll just agree to disagree lol. I prefer something crisp and beautiful on something crisp and beautiful. If it was some shabby sheik car you were hiding underneath I’d kinda understand..

300 miles is nowhere near what you need to be sorted. Sure if you're just doing highway miles. But some of us like to drive. Some of us like to avoid motorways if possible. I wish my Taycan could do 400 miles on motorway and 150 miles of spirited driving, but it can't. At least it would be tolerable if it charged in less than 10 minutes and ultra fast chargers were on all service stations. What we need is to get charging times down to less than 5 minutes. I have a car that only has a range of 150 miles if you give it a bit of stick, but at least I can stop for fuel.

@@AB-80X everything you talk about is an edge case. Yes, in your use case a gas car makes sense for now. For the millions of people in dull fake SUVs (Rav 4, CR-V, etc) a 3-4 hour highway range is plenty. I'm a driving enthusiast, I loved my old hatchback with a stick shift that can put a smile on anyone's face, but even for me 90% of the time I just had a destination cos highway driving is mundane as hell even in the best of cars.

only for a few minutes at optimum conditions!

That wrap is incredible, the interior is gorgeous and as you can see they didn't need to actually park that close in the end. And yes, 21 mins is fantastic!

Ccs is on the left wing so you have to park as far to right as possible. It’s in the video where I say you’ll need to park right over. Otherwise cable drags across wing. Annoying positioning! Incredible charging though.

@@RSEV There are already "complaints" that when Tesla open the network "the cable won't reach" on some brands. 🙄 That'll be backwards then?

The wrap looks better when you see it up close. I didn’t like it when I saw it in pictures but then when it came to the showroom it was actually quite cool.

Agreed with the wrap and interior. Not classy at all and the red is garish.

Porsche is working with Varta to implement their 10C charging cell into a product, this means 6 min charging due to ultra low resistance.

Well that can be easily worked out from this. 200 miles in 20 minutes

Kryten, I must disagree that "the Porsche is not that Impressive" This car has a big battery of 93 kW, so that fast charging from 0 to 80 % is even more impressive. You get more miles per minute, compared to a smaller battery per minute

Can we at least agree we should ditch 0-80% times and talk about miles per min? Or miles per 20 mins of charging! If we don’t normalise cars like that then the the comparisons are just nonsense!

People understand how many miles the get from half, 3/4 tank. So knowing how long it takes to get there is more important.

@@RSEV Same as the MS Raven on a 130kW? (I saw a really good tester do that!)

In that case you will have to unsubscribe from all channels because everyone is going electric. You should be happy these manufacturers are actually doing the right thing now. There is more there than Tesla, you know?

@@powersurge6878 I don't think Ella Kissi-Debrah's family see it quite like that. I embrace any decent manufacturers and can't work out how many times these companies need to show people that they would gladly go back to Fossil Fuels, before people stop saying in your own words 'doin the tight thing now'.

@@jolive3743 there was a misspelling there which is corrected. Suit yourself. like I said, Tesla is not the only one. If you think you’re punishing manufacturers by not watching videos with their cars then good for you 👍

You are a hater of them producing electric cars? Wow, this is twisted.

@@abraxastulammo9940 they got heavily fined and punished for lying about their emissions and everyone gave them a second chance and then less than 3 weeks ago they get fined and heavily punished again for colluding to carry on poisoning you and you still love them, i am honestly lost for words.