Yeah the first story absolutely SCREAMS bitter incel. He literally saw himself in the "nice guy" study partner and instantly tried to force a relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if the niece goes no contact with him when she's older
Yeah like what was mean girl about her she just said she didn't like him that way to a friend, like every is aloud not not like someone we all have likes and dislikes
fact I bet he got reject by his crush or worst he never had the ball to ask out his crush and she got married and now he bitten and hate all women and now we get why OP sister sad he was the last choice cause she know what type guy he it
And the cherry on the cake. The guy basically made sure the niece would never see anything good when looking at her study partner ever again. So one teen scarred and the other permanently damaged in the niece's eyes.
Kindly rejecting a guy isn't being a "mean girl". I can see why no one likes this guy and he doesn't have a gf. He takes all rejection personally is demeans women.
@TomDarkwulf87 I agree, and I'm not saying she did lead him on, but op was reacting (if the story is accurate) to what she said...she accused herself of maybe (and she could be wrong) but everyone here is saying the "no" was the "bullying"....I believe the "i might have lead him on" was the reason he called ot bullying Doesn't make what he did right, but I think we should be accurate
When op said that the niece had "mean girl" energy, she wasn't mean at all. She only said that he wasn't her type and she was afraid that she kinda led him on. Thats not a bully, thats a normal person! Wait is the daughter in the second story only 2?...
She said "I've been trying for 3 years" so I'm geussing the girl is 3??? Because she said the boy "skipped his terrible twos". Does anyone have any extra info about the ages???
Totally right, it was studying and in some cases study partners get assigned. This screams to me, "If you didn't want me to do you, then don't dress like you do." No wonder he wasn't trusted... pretty gross.
Story 2: 3 years? She’s f*cking 3 years old and your mad that a three-year-old doesn’t do all the stuff you want while your mama’s boy son never complains about what you want to do? And I get what R/ is saying, because for a minute, I actually thought OP was talking about a boyfriend and assumed her daughter was a preteen at at least who just wasn’t adjusting well to her mom’s new relationship. I was taken aback to realize she was just talking about her son and comparing him to his 3 year-old sister.
The daughter hate story filled me with so much rage, I thought for sure the daughter was a preteen just going though the normal stages of becoming a teen but she's three?!?! And the fact the mom is letting the son call the shots of the sister being punished (sent to her room so they can have alone time) is so wrong. The whole story just made my skin crawl and reminded me of those facebook moms that would overshare crap about their kids or show mommy and son 'dates'. So friggin weird.
She claimed she’s tried “everything” but hasn’t tried family therapy. Which means she doesn’t care & doesn’t have the knowledge to change her situation. Poor kid.
It sounds like the daughter might be on the spectrum, autistic or something. She sounds like my older brother, and he's never really gotten past that age mentality. And the fact that she made her daughter sound like an anxiety upset teen with no self-control REALLY bugs me too.
Also, that girl is 3, but she is not stupid. She KNOWS her mom doesn't like her, and that makes her act out because a toddler cannot handle that well. Mom doesn't deserve both of her kids.
Story 3: I’m sorry, the daughter was FOURTEEN???!!! Your fourteen year old daughter is sa’d, has a MISCARRIAGE, was BEING ABUSED, and you think your husband was CODDLING HER????!!?! God I don’t use this word lightly, but OP is a compassionless monster. This is some kind of abuse and neglect, and she’s mad at her husband for being a good dad??? I honestly think OP just has a grudge against this daughter for some reason. And not attending the first marriage and expecting to be invited to the second is insane.
I think OP see’s her daughter as competition, even insinuating in the post that the Dad may be having an inappropriate relationship with the daughter because he gave her gifts, cuddled her when she was sad after attempting to take her life, and wanting to be there to take care of his daughter when she was sa’d
@@wannabehistorian371 I would be curious to know what exactly the "assault" was. My gut tells me it was a guy she thought was ugly asking her out and she freaked, calling it assault. Or maybe she was at the beach and a guy was staring at her in a bikini and she called that assault. In any case, I'm guessing it was nothing compared to what the daughter went through. at this point I wouldn't believe OP is she said "rain is wet" when it comes to her daughter and ex husband. And the "excuse" the daughter said that it was "either her or him" I think is a gross aggageration at best and an outright lie at most. I think IF she was upset when she gave the news to her mother, it was because the daughter has realized she cannot have her mother in her life, that was the ACTUAL message, and OP has twisted the event to fit her narrative.
OP 1 has major incel vibes. “Forget what the girl wants, this boy deserves to be with her because he treated her nicely. If she doesn’t, she’s a heartless witch and is the reason why so many men are depressed!” Also imagine how the boy feels. He’s thinking this girl is into him, but she’s only going out with him because she was literally forced to and she went home to cry about it after
its fucking insane, sounds like she was being very nice and trying to let the guy down very gently, not sure exactly what I was expecting from the post title, but I was expecting her to have been actually mean. I feel sorry for both, the girl for being forced to go and for the guy for having his hopes lifted, just for them to be crushed when nothing comes of it. and god forbid if it ever got out that she was forced to go on the date, it would destroy the poor kid, both from a feelings point of view and from the talk around school.
@@Diamondr11Blue Yup because you have a huge track record of calling every single story about incel and abusive men fake and conveniently never appear about similar stories with women. Almost like you're one of them and refuse to see it.
The 2nd story: Maybe the reason why her daughter acts the way she does because she sees how OP treats her compared to her son. Even negative attention is attention and her daughter understands that.
100%. Blatant favoritism will affect anyone. You know she's not suble about it and that kid knows she's not loved by her mom. I know 2 things will happen 1) the daughter will go NC when she's an adult. 2) Later OP will make crazy demands on her daughter like taking care of them in their old age or asking for money because "we're family".
She was only three years old, too. Children can sense even as infants when a parent hates them for merely existing. I sincerely hope that things have changed and that OP got the help she needed to be a great mother to both her children- but I don't think she did. She even blames a three year old for destroying her marriage when children are blameless. It's probably her blatant boy mom attitude and toxicity that got her husband to rethink his marriage to OP. She sounds like she's a horrible mother. She sounds like she's an abusive mother. My heart bleeds for that poor three year old girl and for the son.
If OP was just as loving to her daughter as her son, the daughter would be more willing to be around her mother. Her brother probably doesn’t see why she hates their mother because he’s spoiled. I noticed two things. She “inserts herself into conversations” and she’s “asked to sit aside and relax” telling me she’s usually pushed aside and never given a fair chance to be heard
Story 3: The 14 at-the-time daughter was r'ed, and the husband was being the only good parent. Like, how much of it was actually coddling? I think the friends are right, OP *IS* jealous
@@NEPAAlchey How? By comforting her after being assaulted? By taking her to the hospital when she had a miscarriage? By prioritizing a traumatized teenager fresh out of the hospital over a dance recital?
@@NEPAAlchey People who have been groomed or assaulted before are more likely to be targeted by abusers. It's very possible that she's ending up in relationships like her first because that's what she became used to. Not her dad's fault, although I am wondering if she ever went to a therapist?
The first one is hilarious, like he doesn't want her to lead him and so will make her go on a date that won't go anywhere further leading him on ? Make it make sense lol
Like that boy probably get crushed when he learns she only went on a date with him because her incel uncle forced her and not because she likes him back
It's insane, like tge title said "mean girl energy" or something. I got no mean girl vibes, like she let him down easy, she didn't trashtalk him to her friends what was mean about it? Oh she wanted to be friends still? Like mean girl energy is like saying "eww" or "date you not even if you were tge last man" yada yada and then trashed him to her friends.
@@Texo-ul6bgb-b-b-but if you would just give the nice guy a chance you would see that he's your soul mate!- Him, probably. That's it in a nutshell, they equate their surface level infatuation with a deep and profound, romance novel level love. Add on that they don't view women as full autonomous people but as pretty props for their fantasies... and when that prop doesn't behave like they want her to, they get angry and view that anger as righteous and just because in their minds, they, the real fully autonomous people know what's REALLY best for you and it's to do as they demand. Messed up stuff man.
Story 1: so a grown man is overstepping the consent of a TEENAGE GIRL and he doesn't think he did anything wrong?? He doesn't see how disgusting he is being??? Story 2: another creepy adult. These women are called boy moms and they treat their sons like build a bear husbands. Gross. Story 3: So the daughter CONTINUES TO experience trauma: neglectful mom, (g)rape, miscarriage, ED, physically abusive husband, and OP regressed and seemingly never took her daughter's trauma seriously. And the only one that actually cared about daughter was her father. And yet she still blames her ex even though she doesn't respect he daughter, her trauma, said horrible things to her and NOT ONCE tried to help or care for her. And you're surprised your ex wants you far away from his child? The one you never even gave a 💩 about.
Man that 3 story just went from "ok that's pretty bad" to "alright that's really bad!" to "my god OP is truly the devil!!!" The father on the other hands seems like such an amazing guy.
In absolutely NO WAY was OP’s niece a “mean girl” just because she wasn’t interested in someone who had a crush on her. He tells her she’s “cruel” for not reciprocating a boys feelings, and forced her to go on a date with someone who made her uncomfortable. He’s an abusive misogynist.
The "mean" isn't related to her response of "no" it is related to her statement "may have lead him on". From the perspective of op it seems that means she definitely did, and doing that would be cruel. For the record I would agree that IF someone was intentionally manipulating someone else's emotions THAT would be cruel. She may not even have done it; if she did it WASNT kntentional...and what he did was 1000x worse...but the no wasn't the reason he said she was cruel....and the reason he did have was flimsy at best..but again, not the no
@@75ur15 considering OP is an unreliable narrator, I’m not inclined to believe she actually said something like that. OP is a misogynist who doesn’t respect his niece as a person or her boundaries. Even if she DID say that, he’s still accusing her of cruelty for not liking him back. The “no” is a part of the accusation
@someonebored0100 technically, everyone is unreliable as a narrator, doubly so while they have a stake in "it"....having said that, separating the "no" as the reason, is 100% innacurate, the "no" as part of an emotional manipulation is moot...the supposed intentional manipulation (he would be wrong about that) is the source for the comment of bullying.....he is incorrect bit the refusal to date osnt the reason, it's a byproduct....either way he was wrong, but we should be accurate when discussing it.
@@75ur15The punishment wouldn't be to make her go out with him if that was the case. It would be to TELL the boy she's not interested outright. The punishment he chose says he's mad about the no.
@jadamiller7485 to be fair we can't read his mind....and it isn't impossible. However, the fact that he would even give such an order proves he doesn't agree with us on appropriate ...and... making her do "something nice" fir him after stringing him along makes more sense to me as a punishment for a continued act not a single word. Specifically, torture is usually over some period of time. To repeat for everyone else reading, ekther way what he did was wrong, I'm not condoning or defending his actions, just trying to make the conversation accurate.
Story 3 feels so goddamn surreal and bizarre beyond anything that I can properly comprehend... I can't help but wonder if it's some kind of AI-generated bullshit, tbh...
Story 1: Um… how was the niece a “mean girl” in this? She didn’t bully him, she didn’t insult him - not even behind his back, nothing! All she said was that he was not her type and didn’t want to lead him on! That’s… the OPPOSITE of a mean girl 🤦
The "mean" part was that she might have already lead him on....if she did (unintentionally...and maybe she didnt) then op could see that as mean. It WOULD be cruel to intentionally lead someone on and play woth their emotions...it isnt actually mean to just be nice to someone and for them to misunderstand. I gather that is where op is getting "mean" ...and what he did was wrong even if she had done it and on purpose
@@75ur15 I thought the "mean" part was turning him down when he asked her out on a date. And even OP said that his niece felt guilty for leading him on. OP wouldn't have known whether or not she lead him on purpose or accidentally or at all really.
@uselessinformation1988 I assume, and this isn't guaranteed, but based in his other behavior he took the worst interpretation of what she said. Not that she actually led him on, but that was what he took from what she said. It makes the most sense of the possibilities and is the least amount assumptions made (accoms razor)
3 Story: What did I just listen to? Woman... Wife and mother resented her own husband for TAKING CARE of her daughter?! This is sick. The girl has been through a lot, and this one still discredits her and treats her like trash.
3rd: I wrote a note once about me escaping home. Do you know what my mom did?, she hugged me and talk it out. And when I did try to off myself, she and my sister got me help. But getting abused and r*ped, move to a whole different continent, collapse in school due a cyst, miscariage, tried to off herself, and OP is like 'YOU GODDAMM BRAT,WHAT ABOUT YOUR SCHOOL TEST?!'. No wonder the dad divorce this woman, she is not evil,she is right down sociopathic, like her brain cannot process empathy at all.
Also it sounds like the daughter has some kind of neuroscientist and none of the things she has tried are going to work for someone with ADHD or Autism. This woman sounds like a narcissist and only wants children she can play with on her terms and show off. She doesn't deserve kids.
Story 1: OP is an AH. The girl didn't even say anything mean, she said she wasn't in to him. OP is DISGUSTING, basically telling women have no choice in the guys that they date. YUCK. She was. Not. Being. A. BULLY. She. Just. Said. NO!
The first part doesn't even matter. Even if she was a mean girl, even of she was talking shit about him, behind his back! None of these arguments allow anyone to deny that girl to consent! Also, if the guy is actually nice, you wouldn't wanna force him into dating her! OP1 is the typical Indian men that sells his daughters~ And believes the nice guy, just like him considers the nice as nothing but meat.
3rd story- “My daughter would always claim new creative pain as an excuse” Some lines later “She had a busted cyst and miscarried” Sooo it wasn’t creative pain that she used as an excuse? She was actually in pain and finally fainted in school??? Like yeah this women sounds like she has many screws loose
A lot of parents, trained not to trust themselves (who knows how her own assault was handled) are therefore untrusting of their kids. I think it was heartless how she treated her but the Dad in the story kinda skeeved me out too. I think that Mom needs to get a lot of therapy and that daughter needs to as well.
Why did the dad skeeve you out? OP has shown herself to be a very unreliable narrator. In her own words she minimized what her child went through and it wouldn’t be far fetched that she was over exaggerating the so called problematic behavior. This is a woman that said in front of a person with an eating disorder “what’s the point of feeding them. They either won’t eat or will throw it up”. The level of callousness that displays is horrific. OP minimizes sever circumstances and admitted her friends (as in multiple people) said she was being jealous. It sounds like her resentment of the daughter was a constant thing. And the dad might have overcompensated a little to make up for how she behaved.
Third story, no wonder why he's an ex-husband and they're former friends. She's an actual sociopath and she has no right being anywhere near her family. In fact, I would place some of the responsibility of her daughter's attempt on her because she made things worse.
Story 1: not once in this story was your niece even slightly mean to him. Not wanting to go on a date with someone even if they’re nice is not mean, and frankly, I doubt she led him on the outside of just being nice to this kid back. If anything, buy your own account, she actually was worried she was too harsh on him when she wasn’t, she handled rejecting him really well actually. If anything, forcing her to go on a date with him probably let him on worse than what she did and gave him a fault. Sense of hope for a relationship that’s not happening.
Yeah, that part of the post threw me off. I had to go back in the post to see if I missed where she was mean. It felt more like the op was reminded of a time in his childhood and instantly took it out on the niece
Yeah I was waiting for the using him to cheat or do better in class and calling him like an actual slur on the phone with her friend. That takes putting your foot down bit still not like this.
@@MorganVsTheInternet I absolutely agree, no one is entitled to a date with anybody, and if she was mean then you apologize not force a pity date then gets surprised when your niece didn’t appreciate it. Think he only made her go because he liked the kid and just wanted him around more.
If anything, he should've just encouraged her to make up her mind and either give him a chance or to talk to him that she's not interested like that, but NOT force her on a date against her wishes
Story 3: listen I'm not particularly violent but this OP sounds extremely punchable 11:45 I can say with certainty that from the moment the doctor handed me to my dad straight out the womb that man loved me more than my mom. He was head over heels for both his little girls and he made sure our standards for a man's love are astronomically high. Our mom wasn't loved by her father so at first she struggled with jealousy but she came to realize, shortly before he passed, that this was the best thing she could've ever asked for. How fucking dare OP insinuate that this relationship is inappropriate?
No wonder they got divorced. She's a monster. She doesn't care about her daughter at all. Her ex was right to blame her, she didn't cause the initial trauma but her actions showed her daughter she doesn't care about her and it made the whole situation 1000% worse. She deserves to be alone.
for story 3: mind you the OP is the Bitter ex of the Husband, and tried to make him sound the worse she could in that story. and he STILL sounds like a saint in comparison
I actually yelled in frustration during the third story because I just knew if they left her alone she was going to try and end things. Key phrase there, "I don't want to a burden." That should have been an immediate red flag for all involved. I also like how OP gets annoyed with her friends for saying she was jealous of her daughters relationship with her father. Then proceeds to unload and everything she says pretty much cements the fact that she is, ineed, jealous of them.
Story 3: When I heard that she wanted to be alone at home i literally told to myself "please tell me she did not game end herself". WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE HER ALONE AFTER ALL HAPPENED??????? Terrible, and I'm not even an adult myself...
nobody says anything abt this but im obsessed with the way OP 3 dismissively describes her daughter as "claiming creative pain as an excuse" but then immediately in the next paragraph over reveals that she WAS PREGNANT FOR 3 MONTHS AND MISCARRIED??? _HELLO????_ she describes it as if she believes IN THE PRESENT that her daughter was lying and the two events aren't connected at all?
Story 3: I was trying to figure out what was up with Op until Rslash mentioned Warped realities and suddenly, it clicked. Op told the daughter that she was also sexually assaulted, so why was the husband a better parent about the situation then Op, who was assaulted? Op didn't mention who assaulted them but I'm betting She's projecting onto the daughter in a way. After all, Op was assaulted and came out fine, likely without parental assistance to boot. So the daughter, who likely had only one person on her side at home, reacted to the situation she was forced in. The daughter behavior tells she doesn't trust her parents, or at least didn't trust her mom, because her solutions to the problems forced on her were to run away and hide. Now, the wedding part. notice how the daughter chose the father. I don't have an opinion towards the father for this segment as I'm not sure personally, but still, the daughter still *chose* the father to be at the wedding. The daughter has learn by now that dad will have her back and is willing to be her safety net if needed, while the Mom's main contributor to her life is also being a victim of passionate hugging without consent. Also, where does Op get off sassing the daughter to the internet for a second wedding when she is also divorced and remarried, more so since the daughter's first divorced was about *domestic abuse* who wants to bet that the mother, about finding out said something like "Well, I knew he was no good but you should also have a spine" or some other BS like that, saying you should be better and I told you so.
story 2: i was about to suggest the daughter may be autistic, but then i realized she’s THREE? like she still could be but damn. she could also just be 3 years old, an age not exactly known for being “reasonable” op is kinda creepy. where’s the dad in all of this anyway? id like to know considering how she talks about her son. edit, story 3: children of abusers are more likely to end up with abusive partners and continue being trapped in the cycle of abuse. wow! who could have started that? (sarcasm, it’s op)
@@75ur15I think when op said that it was more her trying to figure out a possibility as to why he was so into her, but I agree even if she did to that op is far far worse.
Like that boy is more lead on by her uncle because he forced his niece to go on a date with him because he is a nice guy. Like imagine the emotional damage knowing your crush only went on a date with you because their creepy uncle forced them and not because they liked you back
@@75ur15 how is that worse than forcing someone to date? also isn't going on a date with him leading him on even further and make situation even worse? this is helping no one
3rd story is fucking WILD. What stood out to me was when she mentioned "Of course, daddy dearest had to walk her down the isle!" ...You mean, how it TRADITIONALLY is? Who did she expect to walk her down the isle? Her mom who mentally abused her and completely ignored her SA? OP sounds so jealous and cruel...
I had the same thoughts. It's normal for a father to walk his daughter down the aisle on her wedding day. OP made it sounded like he bought their daughter a Ferrari and he got OP got a broken down car that doesn't run. He sounds like a good dad and a much better parent than OP.
Story 1: That guy is going to be extra layers of crushed when he finds out that the date wasn't genuine and OP was just forcing his niece. OP likes him, but the niece doesn't. There are better ways to resolve the issue, a forced date is just terrible
I don't think there was an issue in the first place. But if there was OP should have stayed out of it since it would've been a private matter between his niece and the kid who asked her out.
The mother who tried taking custody of the daughter who was SA is disgusting. She’s literally sexualizing a 14 year old girl being loved and nurtured by her father. All I got from the story was her blaming the daughter for what happened to her. She should NOT be a mother.
Story 1 - YTA, seriously, no one is owed a date! All OP did was make the situation a hundred times worse, strongarming someone into a date is only going to brew resentment. And he left nothing but a dark mark on both teens in his attempt to help.
The niece wasn't even being mean. She just didn't like him and that can't be helped. I ended up not having a lot of guy friends in high school cuz I couldn't talk to them for 5 minutes without people labeling us a couple. And every time I said no, my "friends" called me out on "hurting their feelings." My parents, meanwhile, taught me early on I don't have to go out with someone I don't like and I should not be afraid to say no. The right response from a parent should be, "Well, if you don't want to lead him on, you should respectfully tell him your feelings so you can both move on." Geez this story made me sick. What if the boy had done WORSE on that date?
Story four, even if the mom had a totally different perspective of how things are with the OP. The fact she left the country with the baby without OPs permission which depending on the country will take a VERY dim view of her for it and just may give OP full custody. Also depending on the country the OP is in, and which country the mom is from the courts may deem its in the child’s best interests to be raised in the father’s home country and demand she either return to it with the child or they will take the child from her back to the country. Either way the mom kinda screwed up by just leaving the child’s birth country without the father’s permission and has set herself up for a very long, hellishly expensive, and complicated court battle.
First story: one step away from OP tying his niece down to the bed so that guy can have her because “he’s so nice” and “the niece needs to learn she can’t just lead people on” No wonder his sisters hate him
@juliaboskamp9666 people have a skewed perspective to missbthe reason...the "no" wasn't the reason..the "may have lead him on" was the reason. It doesn't change that either way what he did was wrong....and that he just made it worse for the boy as well....but we should be accurate when discussing it.
@@75ur15 we don't even no if she lead him on OP say it but he also say she was acting like a mean girl when she just said to a friend the boy just wasn't her type (like wtf is mean girl about that)
@juliaboskamp9666 if the storybis accurate, the girl said it...even as a maybe...doesn't mean she was right, but someone who is prejudiced already can add two and two....in effect ibwould argue that the wording people are using is the same thing he did...reading the worst possible interpretation of the data....while ignoring important context...in essence you took the same stand he did...but without the negative after effect ....to be clear, even if she had said, I was dangling his emotions like a fish, reel and release over and over...op was stull way way worse....but the reason he has isn't what people (not all) are saying. Perspective seems to be a challenge, and everyone needs to consider it from the other perspective before assuming the worst.
Sounds like she doesn't even give the kid any attention, I'm making assumption here but it sounds like op doesn't even want to listen to her daughter's interests and spend time with her at all
Holy shit, OP made that comment about her daughter's ED _IN FRONT OF HER?_ ETA: Wait, what does OP mean, _of course Daddy Dearest walked her down the aisle?_ Like, of course he did, that's his daughter. Didn’t he walk his other daughter down the aisle?
Story 1: OP was 100% the nerdy kid who had a crush on the popular girl and he used his niece and this boy as Barbie dolls to play out his own fantasies.
Uh, are the children in Story 2 3 years old? Also, agree on Story 3, OP seems not reliable. The Ex-Husband went to Europe and made sure she actually came back. It doesn't seem like she tried to run off that much afterwards, which is really good.
It probably a way to punish all the women who rejected him when he was that boy's age. Like there is no way saying someone is not your type is mean girl behaviour
story 3: i guess the dad does fear to lose his daughter and maybe keeps her too close to him. but the reason for this is op that didn't give a crap about her daughter and basically pushed her so far that she didn't want to live anymore. op saw one trauma that maybe could have healed but decided to double it up and give her husband a trauma too
Last story, I'm not defending OP cause we don't have the complete context but I think it's unfair to judge seeing as the girl did take the baby to a different country without constent and that technically is kidnapping. So, If she was willing to go back and arrange visitation, then she's not going full no-contact with OP
I have to say, that is one hell of a title. Edit: Finished the story. The pimp story was so much worse than I thought it was gonna be. And I already thought it was going to be bad. That poor niece!
It makes more sense when you notice her attitude changed after the finding out the medical emergency was a miscarriage Because at that moment she felt she had common ground The rape. Which means that is the first time she learned about the rape.
1st story: If the uncle REALLY wanted to have her niece "not be a bully" which she really wasnt already. Maybe he could have asked her to apologize to the kid for leading him on like she felt bad for? Dont get me wrong, a no should always be enough to begin with but I'm struggling to understand this guys thought process.
Everyone else is skipping that bit, thank you I agree with him being completely in the wrong....but the no wasn't the reason....the might have lead was...and he is wrong either way
Apologize for leading him on? How did she lead him on? They were study partners. At no point in the story did it give any indication that she was "leading him on" in any way other than not shunning him like a biblical leper.
Story 2: “she is so slow to learn consequences and just wants to have fun” SHE IS 3! Her brain is in some of the biggest developmental stages. She is just barely not a baby, of course she does not understand consequences! From working with adults like this, something tells me the son was not perfect as a baby, but she actually loves her son so she looks back with rose colored glasses. That poor daughter
I can see why the mom didn't trust OP in taking care of her kids. The niece wasn't cruel at all, even being respectful of the kid's feelings and not wanting to mislead him. OP is projecting hard core and imo, is probably playing out a fantasy in which he probably wanted a girl *he* wanted to date being strong-armed into being with him
Just when I thought the first post was bad there comes in the second OP with the emotional incest towards her son. Nearly threw up just hearing how she describes her relationship with him, it’s like they’re a soulmates, yuck. And the cherry on top is the utter disdain towards her daughter, all because the daughter is … _checks notes_ …a toddler. OP’s got issues and that’s saying it lightly.
Well, the title says it all for story 1. OP needs therapy like yesterday. Story 2: What is the reverse of an Oedipus complex? Story 3: ragebait. There is no way this story can be real. If it is the mom, is the devil.
Third story: it’s hilarious how Op can’t see that SHES the problem. Op is so crazy she can’t understand why her ex husband hates her, and why her daughter has so much destain for her mom.
Story One: I literally couldn’t see any mean girl behaviour in OP’s niece. But even if she had been saying stuff like “OMG lol I can’t believe that nerd has a crush on me! Like I would ever!” then it still doesn’t justify that punishment! Sounds like OP was majorly projecting onto his niece. Story Three: I really need to hear the daughter’s side of this story.
I just love how story num 3 the mom keeps saying “ I’m not proud of this moment” than proceeds to make worst and worst decisions. She knows that she’s a horrible person but still tried to make herself look good?!?
I think never in my life had I despised someone I did not know so bad as I do the third story's mom. Like, rare area those I despise and loathe and they're, of course, people I know who wronged me. But for the first time of my life, I absolutely feel nothing but hatred for an absolute stranger.
Yeah I feel you. I hope that one was rage bait but there are some sick evil cretins in this world so I also wouldn't be surprised. She sounds like one of the worse case of psychopathy/narcissism I've seen in a Reddit story.
1st story: complete violation of the niece's boundaries aside, wouldn't going out on a date with someone you have no intention of continuing with be more of a "lead on" than whatever she might have been doing before?
I doubt she was leasing him on at all. Just being nice. That’s the problem with OP and he reinforces it by telling her she should “lead him on more” by forcing the date.
Probably in OP's mind, they would go out on this date, and the boy would *amaze* her with how *cool* and *nice* he is, and the rest would take care of itself. He literally didn't think there was a chance that OP's emotional stand-in aka this poor boy *wouldn't* impress her, given how amazing he must be. This wasn't "give the boy a chance"; this was "you're wrong, and you'll see it after one date." (Not dogging on the boy, btw. He sounds like an innocent bystander in all of this. Just that OP clearly sees himself in this kid, and is projecting, and doesn't even realize it.)
@@verngrl Yes, you're right, the boy is an innocent bystander. The niece didn't even say the kid was pushy, obnoxious or anything when he asked her out. It wasn't leading him on when she said she needed to think about it. She needed time to come up with the kindest way to say she wasn't interested. I understand why she felt that he might have thought she was leading him out and her biggest concern was trying not to hurt his feelings too bad. She handled this with a lot of maturity.
The 3rd story is disgusting. This woman went through something horrible, and her daughter went through the same thing and she....doesn't care? ZERO EMPATHY FOR HER CHILD?!?!?!?
Sometimes survivors avoid deep feelings, like empathy, as a survival technique. They think “I survived it, why are you making such a big deal of it?” It’s usually due to never fully processing it. This is not an excuse, what she did was horrible and she should have realized that her reaction was not healthy and maybe she needed to work on herself. But yeah, just because someone also went through something awful doesn’t always mean they are ready/able to help someone else through it. That’s what makes the people who do that work so much more amazing.
@@rebeccajesse4604 I can see that. Idk, I just figured parental instinct would help bridge that gap a little, ya know? I do feel for the mum, but ya. Her kid should have been supported.
I have doubts if she was really abused herself, and if it was not just a way to manipulate the daughter / husband when she pushed things too far. Her responses in this entire story are way WAY out of the field for a survivor, even one with unprocessed SA herself. The SA of her daughter needs to be a trigger, yet, this entire story she acts like nothing happened in her past and only when she needs to "fix" things with her husband / daughter, she suddenly pull out her own SA. Its even worse the way she described her husband and wanting sole right for the daughter, like, you want to haunt her more? She clearly has a brain issue and seem to be fixated on her husband having a good relationship with the daughter. Almost like jealousy ...
The second story: I felt very similar. Like I was thinking "is she in love with her son?". And thinking maybe the girl was autistic till we learned she was just 3. Like that's basically still a baby lady!
Story one: "I won't tolerate bullying" It seems like she was pretty nice about it. I think OP just saw him as OP and wanted to force a date because that was what he would of wanted and wanted him to hang out with OP since it seemed like he liked the kid more than his niece.
It's pretty scary. OP's biased version of events still paint her as a monster. What is she actually like? What did she actually do? I almost don't want to know
Story 3 The mother says she was SA'd when she was younger. To me, it sounds like she was traumatized by this but never got proper treatment. It seems like she repressed those feelings and pushed them down. When her daughter was having problems, it sounds like the mother wanted her to do the same. Push the feelings down and not talk about them. The husband rightfully disagreed and wanted to continue to support the daughter. The mother mentions that she revealed her SA to the daughter and the daughter appreciated the attempt to show understanding. The mother claims their relationship was mending. The daughter, rightfully not wanting anything to do with the mother anymore, having all the reason in the world to never speak with her again, showed the mother BASIC HUMAN EMPATHY when she shared that she was SA'd when younger. This mother is deeply traumatized, has repressed the emotions, never got help, and as such is passing that trauma down to her family.
2nd story: op describes her daughter as being the worst because she wants to change some of the family activities and gets upset when nobody wants to do what she wants. Op complains she never compromises but compromising is not aways doing what the others want, but rather would be if they all compromised into doing something that everybody can enjoy. Op clearly always like her son better and aways has done what he likes to do and never what the daughter wants. She even listen to her son about how to punish the daughter for being upset that her own family doesn't want to do things she likes to do. This is just sad
Last story: I am also interested in the mothers perspective. But if the father didn't agree with her on taking the child out of the country that IS child abduction. And that is just an awful thing to do. if she left the country with the child and is dictating him conditions, und which she will allow him to see the child, he definitely should sue her. And he would most likely win.
Last story - Unless she was afraid for her life and/or the child's life, which doesn't seem to be the case at all, his reaction to her stealing his kid and fleeing to another country is 100% justified.
I mean, there was a car accident that OP is still downplaying with "the baby was fiiiiiinnnnne, there's noo neeeeeeedddd to make a fuss about it" kinda talk, so... maybe he never threatened violence directly, but I daresay she had reason to fear for her child's safety with this guy. And she HAD previously told him she'd leave if he didn't shape up, so it's not like there was no notice or warning. Also the fact that his own brother is siding against him on this is telling.
@@thefavoured1411 If she was so afraid, why did she offer multiple times to move back? Isn't that a REALLY good question? So good, in fact, that it completely destroys the narrative you made up in your own head?
@FigmentForever it's entirely possible that OP is leaving out important details, but that's true of practically every story. There's definitely some bias going on.
Three sides to every story, one side, the other side and the truth But international child abduction is still international child abduction at the end of the day
First story: im an aromantic and have actually dealt with people have crushes on me so i completely relate to the girl here, DO. NOT. FORCE. PEOPLE. INTO. DATING. IF. THEY. SAY. NO.
Story 1: I was waiting to hear that she publicly embarrassed or humiliated the guy somehow... but it sounds like he asked, she politely said no thanks, and later shared that with her friends. Major overstep by OP here.
Even if the niece was being a mean girl, which she absolutely was not, the appropriate punishment is NOT a forced date. Even putting aside the consent issue, you've met this kid one time and decided that he can be trusted alone with your niece against her wishes. Maybe there's a reason she doesn't want to date this guy that goes beyond just not being into him and she may be too young or inexperienced to verbalize it.
What the hell is wrong with this mother???? Her daughter was assaulted, and instead of helping her, she treats the daughter like a bad person and keeps giving out punishments as though that's going to make everything better. I'm surprised she's still a pet of the daughter's life.
I can't belive OP 3. She is not a mother at all. Can't stand relatives that will turn a blind eye when someone gets SAed like that. I was cursing, hearing this woman talk about it. Her daughter literally went through the most traumatic thing that can happen to a woman, especially after the assault and getting pregnant by her attacker.
"Of couse the daddy dearest had to get to her immidiately after they called that she gad misscariage and bursted ovary" H...how dared him! The nerve of this AH. The guy is the root of all evil, someone really should straighten him out...
First story: the uncle was punishing her for nicely telling the guy “idk, no thank you” and then nicely telling her friend “i just don’t see him that way, but he was nice.” What part of any of that was actually rude? She even said “i feel bad for potentially leading him on”. How is the Uncle forcing a date that will not amount to anything not leading on the guy even more and showing his utter disrespect for women?
Second story- you’re right, Rslash. This woman seems to be preying on her son and treating him like an adult, while ignoring and pushing her daughter away. She’s only three, but incredibly intelligent to pick up that her mother does not love her.
First story: it's impressive how OP can't see how wrong he is. Not only he overstepped his niece's boundaries, it's rich of him to say "I don't want her to lead him on" while leading the boy on by forcing a date. If anything now his niece will probably avoid the boy at school, and he'll have a worst heartbreak than he would if she simply turned him down but kept being friends; OP literally made things worst for the boy, while overstepping his niece's boundaries, all for his own stupid mentality. Also "I wonder why my sister is against me, when she was bullied in school until she became literally a swan". Besides the fact I doubt his sister became a literal bird, being bullied for not being conventionally pretty IS LEAGUES WORST than simply being turned down, and not comparable at all
story 2. the girl is only 3, of course she throws tantrums and stuff, that is what kids do at that age, the way OP was talking I was expecting at least a 10 year old, but then she said 'i gave it my all for 3 years'. hell, my daughter is 5 and is only just starting to get that if she is good, she gets treats and a stuff but if she is naughty she misses out on things and gets put in time out. there is a reason kids don't start school 'properly' until they are 5.
1st OP wants to talk about "leading people on.". What leads people on is going on dates knowing you ARE NOT INTERESTED. So he is forcing his niece to do the very thing he wanted to avoid. Let's hope the kid isn't crazy.
