Love the correct way you explained what could be going on and what needs to be done to diagnose this issue. I am a retired service writer from a Dodge Dealership and service wrote for Case IH Tractor Dealership. Same philosophy...different equipment. If I was younger I would have loved to worked with you in Service. Lots of Dealerships and independents really do not appreciate a GOOD Service writer. It takes a particular person to do it just like all the other positions as well. Love your channel. 👍🙏
@@44carbine91It’s amazing the incompetent people they hire now for service writers. Some know nothing about cars and don’t want to know. If you go to Tesla, they only hire arrogant punks that will never ever learn how to change their own tire.
@@jasonharrison601 FALSE. Range Rovers come with longer warranties. Off lease Rovers still have 2 years of warranty and are excellent buys. Learn how to care for their weak points, like any vehicle, and they are very cheap to own. Ask me how I know.
They’re posting at peak times. I’m sure trying to find what time is best for their audience. Chill guys they just started this channel it’s a growing process.
Dave, I worked at a Jag Rover dealer for about five years. The 3.0L and 5.0L Supercharged engines are notorious for having a failed head gasket. Not due to strictly failing because they are bad, but these motors when they have a leak and customers won't fix the issue or say, "ah.. I'llhave them look next oil change", they run them low on coolant and they FAIL. The heads warp easy too. They also burn holes in pistons. When removing the heads, really check out those pistons. Just cover your butt, look you usually do. Timing chains are usually in questions around 100,000 as well. This customer is approaching that mileage and if you have the heads off, that'd be the time to recommend it, in my opinion. - Zack
I sold them for about a year, I was always in the shop looking and asking questions when applicable, and it was all head gaskets on the V8s and the other half seemed to be chasing wire harnesses throughout the whole car. I saw too many engines pulled for what seems like dumb reasons lol
The stupid thing has plastic guides on the timing chain that break, at 112k miles it broke and we ended up buying a new engine. Also the supercharger has a component that cracks causing annoying knock sounds
You don’t need to go through shop class to know that. Common sense needs to be restored. Most people under a certain age have no clue how their cars work. Probably don’t even know their cars have coolant.
Dave is THE MAN. What a great mechanic and human being. I’d drive 4 states away just to get Dave to work on my automobiles if I didn’t do the work myself. Top notch
After watching this I'm going out to the garage and giving a hug to my primitive 1980 Ford F-150 shortbed, carbureted with the original 300 inline 6 cylinder engine 😊. Seems like all new vehicles are over-engineered.☹️
EVERYTHING is over engineered today from vehicles, washers and dryers, your fridge, and etc…. which is why they don’t last. Too many electronic components and those components are coming from China and Mexico. It’s just the world we live in now.
These guys did some work for me and provided absolute top notch communication and feedback. In my case it was costly, but fixing things correctly can cost.
That the thing. As an ex Tech these things cost $. The exp of an honest good tech/shop PAY THEM when u fi d em. I help ppl on sode who are poor but if you wana drive a 70k $ car but cant afford matinence maybe rethink ur life
80% of people who drive these over engineered pieces of u know what cant afford to maintain them. once the warranty is over get rid of it!!! I see and hear the same story everytime for over 30 years , "i'm selling it soon" yet they've been driving the same car for over 5 years @@captaintoyota3171
Rover/BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar/Audi….people stop the madness. This is what these vehicles do, they break down. Did you hear Dave, he almost said but he stopped himself…at 70k miles this is when these things start having issues. It’s all downhill after this point. Head gasket at 70K….are you freaking kidding me?? Why are people still buying this JUNK
All cars have their issues too, don’t fool yourself. I’m on my 7th BMW. It’s the devil I know. I know that once it hits around 60k, I need to start watching for leaks both oil and coolant. All manufacturers who use these plastic ended hoses are susceptible to this. I do all my own work and save a ton over money. This motor is Land Rover/Jaguar’s own creation. It might be susceptible to head gasket issues, who knows. Typically a motor has to be beaten hard before a head gasket goes.
I have been a shop owner/ technician for over 40 years . I admire the professionalism of this shop. It has been my experience with any modern motor that has had a overheating event,damage has occurred. How much damage and how it will manifest itself is unknown. Modern motors are highly engineered precision machines and do not tolerate abuse,which I believe is a poor engineering choice,no room for error. A head gasket failure would be best case .
If you want a Rover, then buy a Pre-1983 and restore it. I'm a Rover mechanic and these things are meant for the first owner only. They are disposable vehicles. At 60K, replace every plastic and rubber piece under the hood and you'll have some good times. At 70K, replace all the timing chains and guides. Lastly, if you overheat ANY Rover engine, do the heads.
@@JetFire9 Double frequency oil changes are the bare minimum for any car. Switching to a lower pressure coolant is obvious for a plastic cooling system running 30psi.
The first Range Rovers had the Buick V8....only 3500cc but it was better than the current stuff they are putting in them. Rover used to be a quality marque...so sad to see this shit.
I'd rather have an old Lexus GX than any Range Rover. Back in 2004 , my dad had to have a Caddy AWD 6.0 LQ9 Escalade (GMT800 platform). I told him then to get a Lexus or Toyota. The front diff was replaced at 42K miles, then the dreaded AC blend doors where you take the dash out to get to it. But that's about the extent of repairs for the first 80K miles. The GMT800 platform is regarded as one of the best GM truck platforms. It's the LS based Vortec 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 engines that make the GMT800 shine. You do see the old GMT800 quite often with 300K - 400K miles. . I inherited the 2004 Caddy. It always starts and 5 years ago we did a 4K mile trip in it with no problems. Still, the build quality goes to the Lexus. My elderly mom has a 2010 model with nothing ever done to it , except for regular maintenance . My ultimate truck would be a OLD one with a small block Chevy with Turbo 400 tranny . No touch screens, minimal electronics, with 1960s tech cable activated AC controls, with an engine bay you can climb into with room to spare.
Just did this job on a 2016 Supercharged 5.0L a few months. Talk about a major pain the ass trying to get all of the connectors disconnected on the backside of the supercharger. Going back together is even more fun. I replaced most plastic with aluminum upgrades where I could and replaced the other plastic parts that I couldn’t get in aluminum. While I was in there I did the water pump and thermostat as well. The factory coolant crossover at the front of the engine has been updated with a new part number. It is now a single piece of plastic instead of two halves that are fused together. With the old part number, coolant would start leaking where the halves come together as a crack would form. In my experience, the break occurs at the O-ring flange that goes into the engine. I surmise that the plastic just can’t take the heat from the supercharger long term because the crossover pipe was breaking apart as I was taking it out as if it was Bakelite.
Dave, you left us hanging! Great content. I had a friend who was a Range Rover mechanic. He retired early with all the money he made working on them. He was super fast and always blew up the flat rate hours.
worked at a Jag/Rover dealer for a bit, had a 2023 full size come in with 3k miles and had a blown head gasket so, they sure make some quality vehicles
It's a tuff business being honest. Some shop's won't be because they will lose business being honest and just can't throw un nessasary parts on it to get extra monies from it, knowing the whole time it would only need the one nessasary part. Great job Dave, I wish we had a shop around us like yourself. Keep up the great work.
A very good honest but difficult conversation with your customer. I know from experience that it is hard to do good responsible repairs to a poor product. Respect.
There are updated Land Rover coolant y-pipes (cylinder outlet pipes), the updated pipes have no seams. been a tech a Land Rover for a few years up in Canada and its super common for those pipes to fail.
Going through a coolant leak now on my 2018 Discovery. Belt is slipping from Coolant when I picked up from the dealership after a 6 week windshield repair. I’m thinking water pump, but now I’m thinking going back to a Yukon or Escalade.
Never buy any LandRover/Jaguar. I heard this story a hundred times from people who bought a used Land Rover and ended up learning they bought someone else’s headache. The new ones spend more time at the dealership than in your driveway.
That's absurd advice. The issue here is the guy buying a problem and it getting worse. The issue is the motor, aj126 is known as bring extremely robust, and almost never an issue. I've seen comparable problems on far more Ford's. It means nothing valid. It's just good for a laugh.
@nickr8759 ya, no. Another one. It's not thier engine. It has common shared parts but was solely designed by JLR using the AJ architecture 20 years prior.
Hey Mr Dave this is Felipe from F and F Motors Inc I love the way you contact and explain the situation to this customer, this kind of conversation is a every day for shop owner to try to explain to customers the cars problem. The skills you show in this video definitely I will use in my shop to improve my sales skills and make my customer more comfortable in this process. Thanks.
@@Dave-bz4pbman on man. lips to lips. hands, one on the back of my head running fingers thru my hair, one near my butt/hip area. dave holds me close as he whispers into my ear, “never buy a range rover” “yes daddy dave”, i softly reply. we proceeded to make sweet tender love for the remainder of the night til the sunrise
The approach to doing things right the first time is always much better than fixing it a second time or worse a third time all because you didn't get it done right the first time. It is obvious that Dave likes it done correctly the first time, and that is who you want working on your equipment.
Great video! In the L405 5.0 SC engines there is that plastic y pipe and also a rear plastic crossover tube that connects between the heads by the firewall. That rear crossover tube also leaks the coolant often evaporates as it runs down the bell housing and onto the exhaust. Anytime that SC comes off the front plastic y pipe, rear crossover and the oil cooler gasket should be replaced as they will all fail at some point. There are aftermarket aluminum pipes for the front y hose parts as well. You can also pressure test the block before you put on the SC by capping off some of the open hoses and pumping compress air in, pulling the plugs and seeing if the coolant runs back into the cylinders but the eghaust gas test you recommended is definitive as well. Hope the head gaskets are fine for your customer!
This guy is professional , Doctor, smart polite, straight to the point. These are great videos, thanks for taking the time to make them, vary addicting to watch, thanks again for making them............
@boxxcarcadavers because those pos Ford plastic parts break all the time. Often they take the entire engine with them. Even with a new engine that plastic piece of shit will lokley break again. Aluminum stops it.
Dave, we all wish more mechanics took the time to walk us through exactly what we have going on with our vehicles. This customer is very blessed to have you working on his truck.
These cars are engineered this way for one reason to keep the service department busy. They don’t make a lot of range rovers, but they can insure the dealers make a lot of money on the upfront sale, and all the maintenance that comes, especially after the warranty expires.
@rlpatton1970 Yuup, first race in Austin, I could hearTHE ENGINE MELODIES far away frm the drop off spot during FP1..... Now , just embarrassment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great communication by Mr Dave,probably 1st time customer thought he wudb ok wid fix no need to tell coolant burning issues but as we learn from mistakes, he came vry clear dat da day he has rover cooling is always problem
I've never had a technician much less than shop.Owner.Talk to me as a customer that way, Lord.I would so appreciate a technician mechanic owner talking the way Dave talked to this customer.Thank you for the video david
What's funny is that's crossover pipe is a Ford part. The parts that shit the bed on Land Rovers are mostly Ford made. (It's a Porsche designed, Ford made, Jaguar engine). They need to stop using Ford and BMW parts
3.0L supercharged jaguar same plastic cooling system junk, I replaced all the plastic under the supercharger and new water pump, two weeks later overheated and pissed out all the coolant again, at this point I recommend to the customer a junkyard engine or new. Customer traded it in to the dealership
POS Ford made crossover pipe. This is why you don't use German (Porsche) designed engines made by Ford and used by Tata (JLR). It's a perfect POS. Ironically the AJ engines themself are pretty bullet proof, but the cost cutting plastic parts will grenade them.
@@mambofox4333 I found out the hard way with this plastic rear tubes from cylinders heads, transmission hoses, nipple on the water pump, only serviced with the pump assembly, bleader housing J tube that the dealer has 20 in stock lol
I have a Jaguar with this motor. I find it funny how people shit in these things. Yes these plastic coolant hoses have issues. They sit under the supercharger and on the back of the motor behind the charger. Where most of the heat goes. They’re half and half pieces molded together and eventually break after so long of wear. There’s a kit for these motors less than 100$ where you replace the two different pipes with aluminum pipes. I did mine and it took me 3 hours maybe? Got a 17 Xe. Haven’t had a single issue since I bought it with 60,000 I’m at 90 now. I replaced these tubes as preventative maintenance. The tubes have been on for 20-22 thousand miles. Dave’s right in the fact that landrover Jaguar sucks at making plastic parts. They need to be upgraded
Its very nice when a customer understands what’s going on and not causing a lot of drama considering the last customer Dave spoke to almost had a shit fit thanks Dave great job 👍
There is money to be made, you just gotta have the grit to stay calm talking to the misinformed/disgruntled customers. I'm a tech and a solid advisor is priceless.
"Were gonna test that" wait a second, this isn't Project Farm ! Fixing modern cars cooling systems, so you can do a hydrocarbon test is all too common. A customer who says they ran it until it went reduced power, is rare honestly. I would handle it just the same way, Dave.
I drove a wrecker for 3.5 years. I towed them all! Everyone has their favorite brand of vehicle. Just because its your favorite brand and you invested tons of money on it, it doesn’t mean its going to be the most reliable vehicle out there.
The seller ( dealer or private party) knew about the problem even without destroying the plastic water pipe. The buyer got suckered. A friend loves his Range Rovers but doesn't keep them long enough to need their first oil change.
@@hokie9910 I am serious. He does very well financially and even though he is not in the auto industry he buys exotic cars and muscle cars and trucks, barely puts any miles on them. Keeps them super clean and very often sells them at a profit. Not so much since he sold his mansion with the large garage. The list of brands is unbelievable, foreign and domestic.
A couple of questions 1. could the Radiator cap be over pressuring the system? 2. If the system is pressuring so much that it breaks the plastic parts, why is this excessive pressure not be relieved, by the Radiator cap? (pressure building up to fast from blown head gasket??)
Maximum pressure, high temp from overheating. bad plastic, 70k+ mileage and it's a RR at the end of expected trouble free (?) life. A friend in a 100 year old family car business won't touch them!
This plastic piece is the coolant flow control valve on the L405's. This meant it is the first casualty in the pressurized line. If you want to own a land rover, you have to be a dang good mechanic with a 2 post lift!
Plastic is killing the industry IMO! That being said an engine nor running right does not help matters. Range Rovers and Land Rovers are so nice, but they can sure be expensive to take care of. Personally I would not own one even though they are super nice. Too many head aches for my taste I will stick with Toyota or Lexus.
Dude knows his stuff! My Subaru did the same thing except it blew a big hole in the top of the plastic radiator tank. I started getting leaks at different coolant hoses a couple weeks before the head gasket grand finale. I am normally a Toyota guy and just used to doing tires and brakes.Today it's an alternator for the Subaru and a car wash for the Toyota, tomorrow a wheel bearing for the Subaru and a car wash for the Toyota.
@@aaronkoivu +1 .. Similar "#1 Vehicle Stolen" throughout the U.K. .. Here in Vail, CO there isn't week that goes by that a flatbed tow is carrying a Range Rover. .. Range Rover Denver is 100 miles..
@@erocksproduct Design constraints, cheap materials such as plastic for essential engine components such as Ford also use including plastic sumps, wet rubber timing belts running through red hot engine oil, plastic water pumps, etc, ...... all of these silly decisions are taken by directors looking for greater profits, decisions pushed through by the boardroom, the paymasters, the owners. No self respecting engineer, British or American or indeed of any nationality wants to choose these materials.
We need Paul Harvey to give us the rest of the story! Dave , you are great with diagnosis, but I would live to hear the Correction and Confirmation! I love the channel.
Rovers have cool interiors and exteriors, but the engineering is so mixed. If you’re going for long term quality in an SUV, go Toyota / Lexus with few to no issues.
You can’t tell people enough not to buy a used Range Rover. They never listen. They think it won’t happen to them, that everyone is over reacting, ect, ect…These vehicles are lease only. And that’s if you have the free time to take them to the shop. Range Rovers are and always will be glorious junk. Don’t waste your time, energy, money, and sanity!
