Reacting to Asmongold's React Of My Video (again) | J1mmy Reacts 

well said Visa

So when josh is gonna get mixed up In this? I think we need it. 😂

Josh on Gielinor Games when? 😏

I’m fully here for this

Josh! Go ahead. Take a slice 😉

spot on comparison, thats insanely accurate

Feel like all you need to say to Asmon is "WoW Classic was loved. And nostalgia drew people to wanting it. So why is it not succeeding as much? It had a larger playerbase to draw upon for Nostalgia". If nostalgia can drive it to succeed, it should have succeeded MORE than OSRS. but why didn't it? Bad ideas, no updates, just "repeating" the same thing the original game did. It struggled despite focusing INTENSELY on capitalising on Nostalgia by re-releasing the expansions. It should have succeeded immensely if Nostalgia drove the players to play.

I just got to the part of Asmon MENTIONING Halo. He doesn't realise that COUNTERS his argument. Halo 1-3 has SO MUCH nostalgia for it. The new games are BETTER graphics. They have MORE content. They are MORE accessible (F2P etc.) and yet they are FAILING to succeed. Why? If nostalgia was the MAIN factor, they should succeed because of that alone. but they're BAD GAMES and so they are FAILING. That PROVES that nostalgia cannot hold a game up. It CAN get people in the door, as any OSRS player whio played the original game would say. It will get you to TRY IT. But it will not be why you STAY and keep playing.

i cant wait for the react of the react that was a react to a video that was a reponse to a react reacting to a react.

MOAR

MOAAAAAARRRRRR!!

@@jasonh8592 chill jason, there surely will be

Wrong, this is merely the RU-vid content meta

He simply doesn't understand the definition of the word is all. He completely skipped over the sentimental part of the definition. That's a core component of what it means.

This. This.

I was familiar with it, and when Osrs came out, I picked up where I was forcibly left off. Nostalgia played no part.

bro lives in a bit of an echochamber nowadays, he's content in life and provides good content but he's often wrong when speaking about games. Which is ironic considering how he came up lol

That’s actually a brilliant take

this is actually an insanely good argument lol

You guys need a spotlight thing. In RS3, castle wars is popping once a month or so.

Holy shet, lmao now that's nostalgia... Melting in rune armour piling the lvl 126 in full Ahrim's turning everyone into fridges whilst we just stood their unable to do anything 😂

OR FIST OF GUTHIX!

Castle wars was the reason I begged for membership as a kid only to finally get there and get absolutely fucked on over and over. 10/10 experience

Yup. Sometimes the core gameplay of something is good, and people like good games that offer endless improvement. Chess isnt alive now because its old. Same with all major sports or games. It's the same argument people give about super smash bros melee, nobody plays a game for thousands of hours into their late 20s because they played it as a kid. You know how many games I played as a kid that I go and revisit for an hour every few years and that's it?

Thats an amazing point

This is the content im here for

In 3 more recursion get the act man to react man to it

Yeah he thinks people literally play golden eye for more than 30 mins nostalgia lasts

@@mrbubbles6468 No dude, OSRS just proves that gamers want good games. I never played MMOs back then, I was a little baby, I started playing OSRS in 2018 and got hooked on how insanely well designed and addicting and rewarding it is, unlike other games. Nostalgia cannot be a factor if you never played back then. Hypixel Skyblock is a gamemode within a Server within Minecraft, and the style of MMO it is is pretty similar to OSRS, and it gets tens of thousands of players because of it, peaking at over 200k. PEOPLE SIMPLY LIKE GOOD GAMES.

FUCK! You're totally right! I've been trying to place why his argument infuriates me so much, and that's it! You're brilliant.

amen

Palms are sweaty...

There wasn't much else to say tbh. All Asmon ever does is repeat the same thing without actually arguing anything. Go back and count how many different ways he says "nostalgia is a major contributing factor" without actually giving a reason. He doesn't even play the game. Dude is overdosing on crazy pills.

this is the best comment...ever.

@@iiWicked Lets be real, Jimmy couldnt defend his point either, thats why all he said for an hour was "no its not"

@@ThisisCitrus He gave plenty of reasons in this response and in the original video. How is he supposed to respond when Asmon isn't making a point? Asmon is stating an uninformed opinion as fact and looks to his echo chamber of a chat for assurance. Please give me a couple timestamps of examples where Asmon made a non-repeated compelling argument and Jimmy either ignored it or just said "No". His one argument is that the game is old and people only play old things because of nostalgia. While that's probably true for most short lived remakes or rereleases, OSRS is a completely different monster than when it came out 11 years ago, but it's still familiar. The reason people wanted OSRS in the first place is because Jagex didn't listen to its community and made RS3 so unfamiliar that people didn't enjoy it anymore. Jimmy even made the point in the video that most people just hated EOC. OSRS came out 3 MONTHS after EOC was implemented. Nostalgia EXISTS for old-school runescape. That can't be (and isn't) argued against by anyone. It's simply not a major factor to the game's continued success. The 11 years of additional content is why the game goes on and continues bringing people back.

Nostalgia makes you come back but new updates and contents makes you stay in the game. So nostalgia was like 50% of the reason why old school players came back.

that's asmongold in a nutshell, spews an opinion about stuff he knows nothing about

@@richardkim3652 Old school players "coming back" was less than 10k players. People play because it is a good game.

@@mrbubbles6468 so if you go to a restaurant because it was recommended by a friend that means it's based on nostalgia? The name is OSRS because it's an older version of the game. When OSRS released that version of the game was 6 years old. OSRS is 11 years old now. And even then it only came to be because players wanted to de-update the then-current game, not because of nostalgia but because IT WAS A BETTER GAME. Nostalgia lasts like 1 hour max. Grab your favorite ps2 or ps1 games and you will probably drop them in that time, because that's nostalgia.

this literally this i never played the game growing up and i feel like i missed out on peak i love osrs though been playing since 2020/2021

Same, I started with no prior experience (except for a few youtube videos) with OSRS until the mobile release. Plus, I believe that I'm quite young compared to the average audience of OSRS, so I don't think nostalgia has a huge factor on what keeps a game ALIVE. It's purely the nature of its game design and fundamental enjoyment factor that keeps players coming back.

Glad you guys are enjoying osrs. I like hearing that new players do join our community and enjoy this great game 😢

@@dhidebody Thanks! Nowadays I'm basically in mid-game hell, grinding out corrupted gauntlet for bowfa or bossing for cash. I have fond memories of me mining at the east Varrock mine and smelting weapons to selling to the weapons shop. I didn't want to use the GE for whatever reason, but because of that I felt really proud of my first 10k stack (that I actually earned). I also remember how thankful I felt that someone gave me 50k just for being a new mobile player, f2p worlds were so crazy during those times. I basically have nostalgia for OSRS, rather than RS2, strange how things work out.

Yooo another 30 year old man playing the same game whoop whoop

same here, except i'm 23 and started playing when i was 20. never touched the game once as a kid, i'm not even sure if i knew it existed because i only played nintendo games lol

Yeah this is the real take right here; well said.

There's definitely a degree of semantics happening here, but I sadly don't think it was mutually understood. J1mmy addressed both the short-term/long-term arguments for Runescape's success throughout the video, summarized best here: 33:04 - 33:52. Granted, that wasn't part of the original video Asmon watched, but what is and what conveys the same information visually is the graphs J1mmy bothered to put together, from: 24:09 - 24:36. Asmon was very fixated on the idea of nostalgia not only being the reason people returned to these retro versions of MMOs, but also the reason people continued playing them after the initial "honeymoon phase". He basically says this verbatim when responding to a chatter who brings up the same point at 41:23. He also keeps insisting that nostalgia is "the biggest factor for success" without showing any work for why he thinks that's the case, so even on its own merits, it's not a good argument. All that said, I have to agree with J1mmy here. Nostalgia isn't a constant. There are plenty of examples of things we look back on fondly that have not stood the test of time. The reason OSRS is still around and is doing as good as it ever has is because of the ways it's changed and come into its own identity, largely due to a very dedicated content creation community and development team. edit: timestamps

im pretty sure thats just how his brain works in general tbh

True and real

Key piece to that: It "WAS" necessary. It's not necessary anymore. It might help get some people to look at the game, but there are people who want to play because they've seen Swampletics, or Gielinor Games, or they have friends who talk about what the game actually plays like. OSRS is a pretty unique game in comparison to other games today. It doesn't appeal as much to younger generations because many games today that younger generations play are about quicker action, getting stuck in fast for a high-intensity experience with things like battle royales, or big scaling single sessions like a game of League. RuneScape is a slower burn game with slow progress, and that just doesn't mesh with the current younger generations. Not to say that younger people wouldn't ever play OSRS, but it's just not as attractive due to the style of play.

​@@mrbubbles6468I am begging you to stop desperately trying to pretend AssMan is right about something, this is getting sad

This is incredibly accurate.

@@andrethyst905 what an excellent way to put that

The rank 1 inferno , is called librain , hes a relative new player , started 2020 or a bit earlier my bro met him cutting log in f2p and 5 year later the dude has 1000 inferno kill , hes puerto rican , and the perfect exemple of a new player doing shit veteran cant

They even released a boss that's specifically for LOWER level players quite recently, t ohelp them learn bossing and train melee combat more easily.

he can't think outside terms of WoW where new content = making old content irrelevant

I also noticed this. A wow player literally doesn't understand that a new boss isn't endgame lol

The WoW mind can’t fathom mid level content. Scurrius doesn’t exist. Moons of Peril doesn’t exist. Only inferno and Colo.

9rain I know ur here make it happen

@9rain

9who?

Would absolutely love to see 9Rain or Hannanie react to this lol

Pls mr 9rain

One of the reason i have a hard time with Asmon buuuuut he is a funny guy at times but like jimmy said sometimes he talks out of his ass and its driven by his viewers and it probably makes him full of himself at times ^^

Settled gave us so many new player , the swampletics series was a true blessing

Interesting you bring this up as if it's an issue. I mean by all means it can be informative. However, this is a basic level of human judgement and understanding. It's like thinking of grocery stores. You've been to Walmart, you've shopped there. If someone asks about what its like shopping at HEB, Publix, etc, can you give them feedback? While you may not have specific feedback on that store, you can cross reference your experience shopping at other grocery stores. If you've been to 15 grocery stores and they all have generally the same layout, items and such with a few differences, it would be a reasonable assumption that in a topic about grocery stores, you can say a disclaimer saying "I've never been to kroger but ~~~~~~" and insert your experiences from similar grocery stores. In most social circles, that is seen as a perfectly valid method of communication because it states you don't have first hand experience, but are comparing it to other experiences you've had. You may not have biked on trail A, but you can share how fun bike riding was as an experience from Trail B-D. This also opens up the communication to correct any misunderstandings or difference in experience. You may say I wish kroger had fresh nuts, and by gosh turns out they do now! Nice and simple conversation with new information. With the internet, there is no concept of having an opinion. It's either entirely true or not. You can't have an opinion on a game if you have not played it for 100 hours. You cannot have an opinion on an emotion or concept like nostalgia if it dares contradict what another person feels about it. The conversation piece is lost where you would have a back and forth dialogue, meeting a middle ground and gaining perspective you may not have had. Even reacts like this lack this communication, though it's better than the comment section. It's totally understandable as well - 1 person making a video cannot reasonably respond to hundreds to tens of thousands of people wanting to have a conversation to meet in the middle so it ultimately turns into "hardheaded streamer ~~~" and people polarize. It's okay to like someone and not like some of their opinions. Unfortunately we're in a society where people are so polarized by opinions that they cut ties as soon as they realize you agree or disagree with a certain streamer / movement. If I can have a hundred friends, why bother having one who disagrees with what I think? Anyways, yeah. It's fine to have an opinion after you state your credentials. That preemptively informs the viewer of your credentials and allows them to review your feedback appropriately. I never played FFXIV til a year or two ago but before that, I could reasonably talk about it based on my experience with other MMOs as well as the things I've seen and heard from other FFXIV creators. I would have said some inaccurate things and in a real conversation, would have been corrected and learned - but the majority of information would still have been accurate and more than enough to have a conversation about the topic. As a side thought - if reading and watching information isn't informative on a subject, why do we form opinions and retain things news and other clickbait headlines tell us and share them like it's gospel? I'm sure the vast majority of people reading this will cite how diet soda causes cancer because the news told them it does but they have never looked into the study, nor the hundreds (S) of studies that do not share the same results. They don't realize that the rats were dosed with up to 4000mg / kg and the HUMAN acceptable daily intake is only 40mg / kg. These people had the audacity to do this to these animals for MONTHS. No one knows about that because they've never looked into it, yet they've taken the word as fact and repeat it as such. The same people get defensive when something they like (such as video games) has someone talk about it inaccurately, sort of like how I'm talking now about this study. Interesting. I'm not quite sure where to go with that other than we should all be better at taking in information. People will always be uninformed and we'd probably be a better society if we handled conversations better instead of assuming the worst intent. Anyways, this was a crazy long reply. Take care friends, have a good day, stay hydrated and enjoy your favorite games

Asmongold has made a living thinking he knows as much about WoW as any other topic. Which is obviously not true.

@@Tekshipie and he doesn't even understand wow really just knows the items, the actual game play of it and what the player base wants he is lost says the most out of pocket shit where every other top player raider and pvp or even the mid lvl ones say hes wrong. Asmon just high on his own FARTS and is so out of touch with everything he might actually need to touch grass for a bit

@@Tekshipiehe’s the very embodiment of the dunning-kruger effect and moreover mt stupid

I mean he owns 4 massively successful businesses in different fields. Whether you like him or not, the world hasn't shown him he's incorrect

100% that's a great way to put it. The nostalgia snapshot of the game did bring us all back, but as J1mmy pointed out the updates kept the engine burning and luckily the devs did a good enough job where it's grown to where it is today.

It's funny the duality of runescape. You have dudes playing this game during downtime at work, and then you have people who dedicate their lives to it lol

I mean you get that but also get "No you're wrong." and "Nuh-uh." on his side with fewer elaborations. He doesn't sound good either.

@@internetgoat4831 If you mean J1mmy, he does that when he's already answered the question already.

I can't wait for By Release to do DT2 tbh

Farming asmon episode 4 😂

There's a quote on the Dan Olson video about crypto that I feel applies here. They know a lot about one very complicated system and assume all other systems must be less complicated and easy for them to also understand.

while asmongold's opinion here can be debated all day. If you think all he's ever played is WoW, I can tell you've never watched his content. I'd say he knows more about ARPGs than MMOs, he got his start doing diablo 3 content, has been playing Paths of Exile for like 8 years, in just the last couple of years he's put hundreds of hours in to games like Monster Hunter, any and all Souls-likes, he maxed himself out on Lost Ark, and New World, he played through all of a realm reborn on FF14. This is all on stream, he plays a lot of these games off stream as well. He got a massive boost in popularity when classic came out, and the pandemic hit; but to say that's the only game he plays is just ignorant.

@@ExarchGaming^

Get used to it. I remember when he was saying “this is just like WoW dragonflight” about guild wars 2 flying mounts. Even though Dragonflight blatantly copied GW2s mount systems

​@@loyalzergthat one elon tweet about chess lmao

If he watches the hour reaction and reacts but not the 40 mintue wow video 😂

Yeah. My problem with Asmon is that he is so full of contradictions. "I am the graph guy. I like hard ... facts and numbers." *Promptly ignores the graphs Jimmy put up* I watch both of them but Asmon has had some shit takes recently. Like, a lot of shit takes. One of which is the graphics thing. No, you doofus, graphics aren't the main reason Baldurs Gate 3 did well... It did well because it was a really well made TTRPG game and people love TTRPG games that are well made. If graphics were a good reason for anything doing well then why have many modern games with amazing graphics been so fucking shit and lackluster? 5Head.

yeah but he didnt stream it, bit of a difference haha

@@PaladinfffLeeroy those graphics are not relevant, hence why they're ignored. The issue is that both of them are using a different definition of the word nostalgia. You can't agree with someone that is talking a different language.

@@mrbubbles6468 What are you on about? BG3 was being played because many people have enjoyed/are enjoying DnD and other Tabletop RPGs... Not because of graphics... I do not think that you realise what nostalgia actually is. Sentiment for the past. OSRS is not the past. I can hardly even be called the same game as it was back then. The game has doubled their peak concurrent player count from their "golden age" in 2007-2010. HOW could that be sentiment for the past if there are double the number of players? Where are they coming from then? I do not sell the game to other based on sentiment for the past, I sell the game for being respectful of your time investment, having the best quests of any big MMO, being able to be 2nd screen gameplay or really intense gameplay, and having the highest skill ceiling of any PVP in any MMO.

And we had no idea WoW existed because we had shit PCs, no money for expensions and 5$ a month for runescape was already way too much for our parents, rich neighborhood were different I guess

Wait J1mmy got owned?

​@@brendondowdy5651 You didn't see the part at 41:50 where Asmon mimes a chart and shows you how big the slice is? Typical ~nostalgia~ lover wearing their ~nostalgia~ goggles refusing to see TRUE and REAL data.

Cope for assmon goldilocks more

Bruh Jimmy's way funnier than asmon and not as much of a neckbeard

The level of social ineptitude in this comment chain is astounding. I get that sarcasm doesn't always translate well in text but, come on, guys... At least try...

Nostalgia is why I play OSRS. Most people play OSRS for nostalgia. How can you get Nostalgia for RS3 that came out 2013 and not for the OSRS that came out 2001? Did you play RS3 first before you tried OSRS? I am 30 years old and played OSRS when I was only 8 years old, so for me it's nostalgia for OSRS and not RS3, and it's same for the majority of the players.

​@@kennyklaar5935first of all, Classic was 2001, the closest thing to OSRS pre-2007 would have been around 2004 when RS2 came out, and even then 2004Scape is a lot different than 2007Scape. OSRS is 2007 RuneScape, nearly 2008 given it was an August backup. By the time EoC came around it was only 5ish years, but for most of that time the major things that changed was graphics and new quests, Minigames, and two skills (summoning and Dungeoneering), otherwise the game was the same exact game it always was. As Jimmy said in the video, it's not that people specifically wanted 2007, it's that it was coincidentally the backup available. People were fine just reverting the game back pre-EoC, so basically the 2010-2012 RSHD era. The whole point of the video is the game wasn't made because of nostalgia, it was made to correct the wrong of EoC at the time. Second of all, 2013 was ELEVEN YEARS AGO! A whole decade and change easily allows for nostalgia. For me, being 27, that was between my sophomore and junior year of high school, we've (at least Americans) had 3 different administrations! Heck, dude, with the pandemic there can be an argument for a faster developed nostalgia for a time pre-COVID. The important factor of nostalgia is the key memories and vibes of the time you're nostalgic for. I have nostalgia for EoC beta, I have nostalgia for playing RuneScape on my high school computers, I made friends at high school over RuneScape, it was so long ago that there are fond memories that brings that sharp emotion of nostalgia. Like, I play OSRS a lot more now than RS3 despite overall preferring RS3. Three maxed accounts and no care for completionist gets a bit boring after a while. I love the PvM, but after doing HM Zuk hundreds of times it does get a bit boring. I played since 2006, I am one of the best candidates for nostalgia, I voted for it to be released back in the day! But as release day happened, I got on, got off tutorial island, and realized I hated what I was playing. I wasn't maxed on RS3, hell I didn't have a single 99 by the time OSRS came out, so I ditched OSRS to continue RS3. I was fine with EoC overall, I liked the beta, and while it was rushed and jank on release it got so much better! Revolution++ is so great, Necromancy has become my favorite skill next to Archaeology, I never got into PvM until EoC came out, so there are some feelings of nostalgia for the early days of RS3. I hated Squeal of Fortune, I hated the MTX they were adding, but the core of the game I loved was still there. I play OSRS more now because I'm bored if the same grinds AND so much more content was released I never got to try. I wasn't playing when Zeah was released, I'm a huge quester and so many unique quests came out for OSRS while RS3 stagnated, new takes on content otherwise released was super cool like Prif, and the biggest factor was Group Ironman. mode. I'm not a solo guy, but mains get boring when you can just buy everything. I got some of my old buddies into OSRS because of group Ironman and that's kept me playing ever since. Nostalgia was never a factor in my reason to play OSRS and I've played since before OSRS was even a backup. As Jimmy said, sometimes a sound will hit me, but my entire reason for playing or even joining in the first place never involves nostalgia.

I have nostalgia for the real OS - 2k5 times. Back when every game world was packed with players from the edgeville wildy zone all the way through to barb village fishing. F2P and P2P alike. Rage quit when EoC came out and only came back for divination skill. From then on, RS3 has been my absolute favourite. Couldn't do without abilities and presets now... and surge. OS kids have lot of patience to keep clicking. I'm too old for that 😂, need my keybinds!

Nostalgia makes you come back but new updates and contents makes you stay in the game. So nostalgia was like 50% of the reason why old school players came back. Nostalgia is like a hook so Asmon is kinda right.

@@richardkim3652 but theres tens of thousands of players that never played before OSRS. they have no ties to runescape nostalgia.

@@richardkim3652 I completely agree, Asmon is overstating it a little, and Jimmy is understating it a lot. We are still getting RS2 content added into the game to this day like the Path of Gouphrie for example that is around the corner. Like you said, nostalgia doesn't keep keep people but it does bring them back.

@@LPcrazy_88 Finally someone who understand what I'm saying thank you! lol

@@LPcrazy_88 Finally someone who understands what I'm saying thank you! lol

I came back for nostalgia but I stayed and played longer because of the new contents and updates so Asmon is kinda right. Also I played RS in 2001 so im a very old school player that's 100% nostalgia and ALL my friends are also very veteran players to lol.

That was a crazy contradiction to say right at the end!

Sounds like Asmon is projecting hard lol

​@@Spearra Exactly! Projecting his Classic Wow experience onto OSRS

Also a point that's been made a lot is that OSRS is easy to watch. Runescape3 might be 'modern' graphically and mechanically, but it is almost impossible to understand what the hell is happening unless you're skilling.

This is the truth about nostalgia

A good analogy would be a reformed crack addict going back and trying some candy he used to eat as a kid. The nostalgia kicks in and he enjoys the candy for a few minutes, then forgets about it. He then decides to try some crack again cuz he remembers the nostalgia of his crack days. However, with crack being crack, he can’t stop once he’s started again, and eventually finds himself in a deep crack hole years later. He didn’t continue abusing crack because it was nostalgic, he kept abusing crack because it’s crack.

​@@acow1385no it's not

coughing a little bit too much to this one

that shot’s budget was insane

@@mrbubbles6468 meanwhile me, someone who heard about RuneScape for the first time in 2018. played a main account for a year and quit. then started an iron recently and finally surpassed it making it almost to song of the elves.

@@mrbubbles6468 I agree. My own experience is a little different, but I'm sure this is the case for many!

I'm 26 - he's 3 years younger than me!

Also, PoisonPotion, another young guy, didn’t start playing the game until 2017. He literally never played as a kid and even has a video where he said there is no nostalgia, it’s just a good game.

Ikr? Wasn't he like 18 when Swampletics was coming out?

@@mrbubbles6468 I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but, "Nuh-uh!", isn't an argument.

​@@Blackbaldrik lol damn this mr bubbles guy must be getting cooked, this is like the third comment thread I've opened with replies dunking on this man while his original comment is nowhere to be seen loool

@@boss2329 yeah buster must've pussied out

Runescape 3 proves OSRS is better and a success. It has all the new bells and whistles, but its NOT runescape gameplay, more runescape-like. That's why OSRS is successful.

​@@Defender2516 Runescape 3 is not popular because it's being loaded to the brim with microtransactions and has an obtusely confusing new player experience, combined with having none of the nostalgia. The gameplay is good and still way more similar to OSRS than any other game you'll find.

That's every game.... WoW Classic is nostalgia and still gets new players, FF14 has nostalgia and still gets new players and GW2 has nostalgia and still gets new players. What Asmon is trying to say I think is that nostalgia is the main reason why old veteran players come back and new updates and contents are the reason why they play and stay longer. A good example is me and my friends. I played RS in 2001 and I came back to OSRS in 2021 because of all the good memories I had since it was my first mmo and the new updates and content is the reason why I stayed and played longer and that's the same with all my friends who are also old RS veteran players.

​@richardkim3652 exactly that's why you came back in 2021 pretty sure that today in 2024 you're not still running on those memories from 2001

@@richardkim3652 He clearly said "THIS GAME O N L Y Exists because people have nostalgia for it." now he said "I'm not saying runescape would fail if not for nostalgia" contradiction

@@mrbubbles6468 to comment said "came back" after 3 years you're not still coming back you've been there for a while

@@unarmeduim2150 But what I am saying is the initial players who came back were the old school veteran players then the new people came watching them and they came back because of nostalgia so nostalgia is the cause so it's like 50% of the pie chart. That's why I agree when Asmon said nostalgia is a really BIG reason why people started playing again. Then they stayed for the new contents and updates which is the other half 50%.

He thinks that because people play classic wow for nostalgia that the same statement transfers to osrs, this is just not true. Classic wow is a carbon copy of the old game and doesn't get new content, it is today what it was in 2004. osrs is NOTHING like 2007 runescape, it's been molded into a new game. Nostalgia doesn't keep players in osrs. Dudes rat brain can't comprehend this.

From time to time I see some people (mostly complete idiots/super naive) asking for old school old school runescape, saying we need to reset current osrs and never make it leave 2007. I'll just start pointing them towards classic WoW as an example to show them what the game will end up like because I've already shown them the osrs player stats from 2013 when the game was a few months old with no new updates, the game was already dying. We are in the golden era of osrs IMO and some people still cling onto their childhood memories thinking things would be the same if we got that version back. We got it back 11 years ago and the game would've died if it stayed that way, there was barely any content to do - not to mention how much of a worse experience the game was to play, like you had to toggle run on/off under the settings tab for example. I just wanna grab these people by their shoulders and tell them: "We were kids back then and most are in their 30s or close to that now, you will NEVER capture that feeling again and it's time for you to come terms with that fact. You are not the same person and that's okay. Cherish those memories but don't live in them."

@@1haunt Another example of a game that was dying because it wasn't getting any new updates is super smash bros melee.

OSRS wouldn't exist to begin with without nostalgia and it would cease to exist without it. Just because it also wouldn't exist without the new and unique content being added to it doesn't change that fact. I don't know why people all of the sudden are pretending nostalgia is a bad thing or that just because it's not exactly what it was means there is no more nostalgia, that's just so asinine and weird.

@@duewhat9815 Sure. If people weren't a little nostalgic to get OSRS back in 2013 then it wouldn't have happened. But saying people are nostalgic for it NOW therefore it wouldn't exist today without nostalgia is just dead wrong. It's had 11 years to get reputation as the game it is (a good one) and Nostalgia has little to nothing to do with that in 2024. No ones 'pretending' nostalgia is a bad thing, because its not, we're just not saying OSRS only continues to exist in 2024 because of it- because its not true at all.

the fact you didnt even knew Dusk and Dawn exist honestly kinda makes me happy, mainly cause i spend to much time on the wiki...

Im maxed done all queets and achievement diaries and Im still learning new things all the time. The amount of depth this game has is astonishing.

He'd be agreeing into J1mmy's point, then

What's wrong with asmon?! I don't watch him but I saw a clip of him on X and he seemed pretty reasonable. This as well.

@@kaikash his smug aura mocks me

​@kaikash alot of asmons takes can be pretty polarizing. Alot of people hate him, alot of people love him, a TON of people tolerate him cause he has some good takes sprinkled in with the bad. He's also pretty narrow minded and deadset on what he thinks is right and not what the general population typically agrees on.

@@XionicAihara Vocal population*

@@kaikash He's emotional and aggressive, extremely confident in things he doesn't understand and vocal about it. He's the guy that takes a glance at something, thinks he knows it better than anyone, takes a shit on it and then expends the rest of his life repeating how right he was. He is sometimes right, but he does opinionate about everything you can imagine... so he's mostly wrong. A lot of people enjoy watching deranged nonsense, so he got rich from it.

It beat that again last week I think, without a league..

And dmm allstars went insane

@@frozencaterpiller1263 haven't played osrs in a minute, what happened last week to give it that big of a boost?

​@@TheGreatMaouI think while guthix rests got added which doesn't count for this argument because it's a quest brought over from the main game. The trails is still valid though

Fr he thinks graphic equal gameplay, and he's coming from WoW 😂

That's why he thinks CoX isn't anything different from Kalphite Queen.

@@Salsmachev tbf the game is incomprehensible unless youve played for a decent amount if time. I still remember my 1st impression of osrs in 2020, i did not understand a thing.

@@shame1290 I'm pretty sure that if thousands of ten year olds managed to figure the game out almost twenty years ago, it can't possibly be that incomprehensible. Especially since there's so much help these days from the wiki and video guides. I think what you're getting at, though, is that if Asmon hasn't played much OSRS, then he won't understand why CoX is so different from what came before. I agree, and that's exactly the problem with him. He is, essentially, being arrogant. J1mmy, an undeniable expert on OSRS, says that "This gameplay isn't nostalgic". Asmon doesn't have enough game knowledge to understand why that's true. But instead of asking "How is this different? Why is an experienced player saying it's different?" he simply says "Oh it looks the same so the expert must be wrong".

​@@mrbubbles6468That's... Not what that means. You don't even know what nostalgia means and you're here trying to prop up Asmon. A game can be better in an earlier time without it being purely for nostalgia. Y'know... Like OSRS. He even discusses it in the video. Nostalgia does not keep tens of thousands of people playing for over a decade.

Our comments are doing the same for jimmy.

Listening to him talk, he doesn't sound like the kinda guy who'd ever let something like new data get in the way of an existing opinion lmao

@@AnOliviaShapedGremlin a common quote from Asmon is "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to arrive at in the first place." Ironically, he rarely uses reason when ranting about video games, lol

That graph says a lot of things, and it's naive to think it only says one thing out of context. The context of that graph says a lot more about OSRS than what Jimmy claimed. When OSRS released it had countless issues including DDoS attacks, years of polish and content to catch up to, bare-bones clients, and Jagex having an all-time low in player confidence, among other issues.

@@kennyklaar5935 That doesn't account for a significant portion of the playerbase having never played OSRS in their youth. The nostalgia argument just doesn't work with that factored in, yet you and Asmon seem keen to completely ignore that little detail.

@@c.f.bellairs1055 I respect you taking this respectfully, but yes it is the reason of the majority of the player base, including me. I been talking to thousands of runescape players since OSRS came back on and asked them why do u play OSRS? Guess the answers i got, nostalgia. Just like a very few of them did not answer nostalgia, but most did. I played since I was 8 years old, 30 now and i came back just for the nostalgia. And so are the most player base too.

That's... Not how it works at all Nostalgia 100% is the reason most people come back. It's not the reason people continue playing, but to say most people don't come back because of nostalgia it's absolutely wrong

That's just factually untrue on the basic definition of nostalgia. You're right in the strawman that a game that has had updates is not the same game as the one you are nostalgic about, but the nostalgia absolutely pulls people back. Nostalgia is also not just the game, it's remembering a time, place and emotions. It's remembering being a 7 year old in Lumbridge not knowing what to do and I kill goblins. Nostalgia is remembering begging my mom to get a membership because I really wanted to make bronze claws. My nostalgia for Runescape has not one relation to the actual state of the game, but of my perception and mindset of the game at the time I played.

@@Caio22011 even if you're right, nostalgia doesn't account for how many people are playing. OSRS is mostly new players, not old ones.

@@oopomopoo Your argument means *all* video games rely on nostalgia, if they played games at a younger age. Completely ridiculous idea.

I'd say it is more familiarity than nostalgia, but the two can be similar. Seeing a game that looks like you remember, even if you know it is new stuff you aren't familiar with, makes it more approachable for returning players. But it is not exactly "a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to some past". It is like saying going back to a restaurant you liked is a decision driven by nostalgia. You can be nostalgic for an old restaurant from your childhood, but you can also just like going to eat at a restaurant because it makes good food. Same sort of thing is true for OSRS. Going back to play the Expansion/DLC/Updates of a game you enjoyed isn't exactly because of nostalgia; it is honestly more akin to like a style of game or series like Zelda and buying the new release.

I think maybe you two agree on this subject more than either of you would admit to each other. Nostalgia definitely has a part, I think maybe... Nostalgia has a diminishing return, but it can be revived after you take a break. That "Item sold on the GE" sound effect ALWAYS gets me the first time I've come back. It's... It's a factor, a powerful factor that gave the games their own initial playerbase, something that is NECESSARY for an MMO, or just any online game to succeed. Even if a player is playing without nostalgia, someone that just started in 2017, those players are influenced by the fact that there is a thriving community there, and many of those people were at some point influenced by nostalgia.

@@Gambsmoore But their initial playerbase only needed to become a thing bc of the dumb eoc update. w.o it, rs2 wouldve just kept moving along with other updates n no osrs would arise.

@@jackalo34 shoulda woulda coulda

Yeah , I just feel like Asmongold just straight up doesn't understand what nostalgia is. "People wanted something that they don't have .... *NOW THAT'S NOSTALGIA RIGHT THERE* " I used to have a second monitor that works fine and now i don't ... im not fucking nostalgic of having a second monitor that's working yo ... *I JUST WANT THE THING THAT WORKS*

exactly what childhood nostalgia is their in tob

ya i physically recoiled at that take lmfao

asmongold usually has 0 IQ takes

I also think it's objectively wrong. The new content isn't made from the perspective of "this needs to be just like 2008 RuneScape" when it's being designed.

@@josiahsmith7458 Exactly. "People only like OSRS for nostalgia!" He said while killing Lizardmen Shamans on Kourend for a Konar task, using his Leagues 4 ornamented BP with amethyst darts, trying to get a DWH drop, so he could start grinding CoX for a TBow, so he could then grind out Inferno attempts on his Ironman. Definitely remember the good old times doing that as a kid...

double it and give it to the next person

And mind you, it was SO, DAMM, OMNIPRESENT back in the day (alone side MySpace lol), that I could be playing it in public and quite a few people would regonize it. You don't get a player base that big when the game was still "new" over past feelings that couldn't even exist yet.

It was so popular because it was good for its time and there wasn't anything else. Same with wow

@@SpearraI learned about the GE when I was FTP training on goblins on the library computers

@@MajorJefferson There may not have been a billion crap mmos like now but there was EQ UO etc too so there were other options. And it continued to be popular over time only turning a lot off bc of eoc.

@jackalo34 you never played wow. Wow was and still is even, the most accessible mmo for people of every age and ability. Also, it was so big that if you played anything hut wow you were a literal outsider because all your friends played it too

I should've waited until the end of the video to make a comment because now i have more I want to say LOL

As someone who returned to the game nostalgia wasn't even the reason I returned, (I believe) but I KNOW for sure it isn't the reason I continue to play. I am way past the character I played when I was 8, and everything I am doing is just not nostalgic at all. If it was, I'd probably be bored because most my time in the past was standing around trying to sell lobsters.

@@mrbubbles6468 cata suddenly replaced the map/quests in old zones but every other aspect of the game was slowly changed over the course of 3-4 expansions. quest design gradually changed from sporatic random questgivers to centralized hubs. raid designs went through a ton of different player numbers, difficulty modes, and encounter styles. dungeon design radically changed from sprawling mazes to optimized corridors. battlegrounds, arena, and pvp ranks completely changed pvp. crossrealm/phasing/lfg/lfr further complicated everything. wow had no 1 singular eoc-tier update that changed the game

I'd argue that wow classic and osrs fans are the same. Neither is seeking the highschool version of their favourite game. They're seeking a better version of it. The difference is that blizzard is using wow classic for nostailiga bait, literality redoing all the exact same updates in order. OSRS is a new game entirely. WoW classic could easily be the next big MMO to dethrone WoW if they stop with the nostaligia baiting and just make brand new community approved content updates.

​@@MyNameIsSalo I think his point stands though. The massive rallying cry of "no changes" really left the game's development in deadlock. I can't blame the community, as it doesn't seem like there's leadership you can trust at blizzard to grow the game in a positive way, but they planted their flag, and whether a vocal minority or not, the zeitgeist of the community was definitely nostalgia and "authenticity" driven. The simplest example of that problem was how the community berated the devs into trying to develop a zombified version of batching, citing irrelevant PvP scenarios and other nonsense to support their claim that "everything must be as it was for classic to be valid". You're probably just viewing it from the same perspective as a portion of that fanbase (myself included) who would've preferred classic+, as the game has no long term merit without growth and change to accommodate the 15+ year gap it needs to clear to survive. But I don't believe that's really the prevailing sentiment of WoW players, or at least it wasn't during classic and classic TBC.

Yeah and for what it's worth, the same "no changes" mentality was the zeitgeist amongst runescape players back when osrs was released/about to be released. EOC was such a bad direction for the game that the players wanted absolutely no updates for osrs; players had zero trust in Jagex regarding the game's future. Once the playercount declined and the game showed signs of dying, adding content such as GWD didn't seem like such a bad idea after all. Definitely took the community some convincing though but I'm glad the devs realized early on that the game wouldn't survive if they only listened to the "no updates" crowd.

I think cata is the event that fits, it changed the entire world that everyone had played in since vanilla, changed a lot of classes completely, dumbed down the talent system, added flying to azeroth, and the content was a massive step in difficulty compared to wotlk. Slowly over time more private servers popped up and gained popularity around this point. To me these are all fundamental things that all got changed at once or within a short period of time. I personally feel that retail and vanilla are 2 separate games using similar assets because their design philosophies are near polar opposites. One is a fast paced mostly instanced game focused entirely on endgame where the other is a slow open world game leaning towards the levelling and social elements.

@@mrbubbles6468 Playing group iron with some friends.

I'm here for it

that would be the good timeline

We can only go deeper

You never quit runescape, you only take extended breaks 🤪