Ruby From 8 assengers Not So Secret Facebook Group | The INSANE Advice!! OMG 😱🙄 

Let’s not forget Ruby had a journal from her teen years and in a vlog her kids wanted to read it but she didn’t want them too…. That’s the same thing

It’s so weird watching this now that ruby and Jodi have been arrested lol.

"Strict parents, raise sneaky children" my mother always let me know she was there for me always but allowed me my privacy, and I always still to this day go to her when need advice because she never broke my trust just told me, no matter what she will be there to listen without judgement and offer her advice if asked. And we have the most amazing relationship, and that's how ill be with my daughter and my son!

14 year old girl: I want privacy and to keep my own personal thoughts to myself Ruby: THIS GIRL IS HIDING AND LYING AND BEING MANIPULATIVE THEY ARE A DEVIL

The only thing ruby is probably qualified to teach would be a class titled “How to ensure that your kids will hate you and will never speak to you again after they turn 18, for dummies”

If you don’t allow your children to grow, explore, learn and mess up then they will never thrive as they get older. The real world isn’t structured like a stict controlling household. You learn from experiences. Children grow in love. You cripple a child when you control everything.

Imagine lacking SO much confidence as a parent that you turn to ruby. 😳

The real problem here isn't even about the journal... A 13 year old child was having "graphic" conversation with a 19 year old adult, and one year on she's still being held accountable for being victimized.

As someone who has struggled her entire life with mental illness & finding the right medication, I am ANGRY to see that in 2022, there are STILL parents out there depriving their child from treatment. I’m 20 years old and was just diagnosed with borderline personality disorder & have been given the correct medication. I’m so incredibly blessed to have such a supportive boyfriend, sister, mom, & stepdad that have loved me throughout the roller coaster. My fundamentalist grandma on the other hand isn’t supportive & has told me that I need to “pray away” my mental illness & “talk to a pastor”. She doesn’t understand despite all the explaining & educating. While I’m a Christian myself, I feel that fundamental Christianity can be very dangerous & has led my grandma (& others) to believe a ton of false narratives. Parents, STOP depriving your children from proper healthcare. That healthcare could very well save their life.

This makes me sick. As a psych nurse of adolescents and adults these type of opinions can actually cause a someone to TAKE THEIR LIFE. I am a Christian and I am an advocate for medication to those are absolutely struggling for theirs lives. How disgusting.

I love how they keep saying she’s “hiding” something. It’s a journal. It’s supposed to be hidden! 🤦🏻‍♀️ they are, by nature, private and personal things. This is just beyond.....

I'm so happy you spoke up about the diary thing. When I was 14, my mom was constantly invading my privacy by snooping through my room and looking on the family computer history to snoop through my Facebook messages to my friends. That's when she found out I had lost my virginity to my boyfriend at the time and she lost her mind. We're not a religious family, but she completely disowned me for a month and treated me almost like a criminal. I am now 25 and still harbor resentment towards her for invading my privacy. I understand she wanted me to be safe, especially at that age, but that's not the way to go about it. This is VERY damaging to a child's trust.

The mom with the journal is sick. When my teenager was 14 and going through a lot we encouraged her to journal. Write all the bad things she felt bout us, Friday, teachers, write all the good stuff with us, friends, and teachers. Everything. And it was her safe space. I would never read it nor have I. Now her phones is different, I will go through it until she is of age.

OMG YES! I've had panic/anxiety attacks ever since I was 15 years old and have been on Lexapro and do NOT want to stop taking it because I know it helps! You're so right, people that have NEVER had anxiety or panic attacks absolutely doesn't know what it's like and I can NOT stand it when those people have opinions on it when they have absolutely no idea what we go through. It pisses me off SO much!

Kevin says his anxiety comes from his obsession with needing to control everything around him and yet HERE WE ARE, with Kevin and his control freak wife STILL trying to control everything and everyone around them.... lol smh wow

Self-proclaimed 'experts' like Ruby and Kevin are so dangerous. They're actually a good example on how NOT to parent.

I kept a journal when I was 14, and I have to say that most of the entries were made during a time of anxiety, anger, loneliness, all those teenage dramas, the thoughts written would often not actually reflect my real thoughts, they only reflected where my mind was in the moment. I would sometimes read what I wrote a week after and laugh at my own immaturity. I would have been devastated if my mom ever read my journal. I know without a doubt that no member of my family ever read a word. I have the best parents in the world.

If you think I’m gonna sit here and watch this for an hour… You’re right, I am. 😂

Im so glad she is in jail with no bond 😂

Sending your child away for 8 months to a survival camp reminds me of the days when parents would send their pregnant daughters away to finish out their pregnancy, give up the baby, and allow them to return home….as if NOTHING ever happened!!! SMH 🤦‍♀️

not having any privacy at all as a teenager is mostly what causes rebellion from what I've seen

My parents read my journal when I was a teen, and confronted me with punishment over what I wrote. And I still refuse to let anyone read anything I write 20 years later. I want to be a writer, but have huge anxiety about people reading things I say. All due to my parents reading my secrets without my permission.

Like I said in a different video about this same topic, Ruby fails at the most basic of parenting which is keeping your children fed and with a roof over their head. So, if she can't handle those parenting responsibilities, why would anyone trust her with anything else?

I think if I see the word Truth again I will cry. Thinking about the poor kids who have these people as parents makes me sick.

You’re so right. My mom read my journal when I was 13 and that was definitely a turning point in our relationship. I think back to that a lot when I think about our relationship that doesn’t exist anymore lol.

Ruby sounds like my ex boyfriend trying to justify his abuse. Insanity, literally makes you want to bash your face against a wall.

The reason your kids won’t trust you is because you’ve broken their trust. You’ve flipped out over minor things that breaks their trust. Kids are wired to trust their parents. It’s literally one of the hugest things babies have to do. It’s key to survival. If your kids don’t trust you it’s 100% because you freaked out about little things starting out very young. Spilling juice, breaking a toy, eating that cookie. Talk to your kids like humans and understand they are living. They don’t know how to live life and they need guidance. Shame and anger blocks them from coming to you.

When I was 15 my parents picked me up from school and told me we were going out to eat. They lied. Instead, I was taken to some counselor, where I saw every single one of my journals piled up next to her and she was looking through them. My parents had looked through them. I had no friends and writing was the only safe space I had. When I reacted with anger, (no threats or anything), the counselor used that against me and said I needed to be hospitalized. Yes, I had suicidal thoughts written down in my journals. But I wouldve ended up talking to my parents about it and a therapist if they wished, if only they would've come to me to talk instead of destroy my privacy. I asked if I could first go home and say goodbye to my cats and get my stuff, the counselor said no. I said I'd run away then. She then smugly said, yup she needs to be hospitalized. I was then put into a mental hospital with other kids my age for seven days. I almost failed 9th grade because of this. I wasn't even getting my homework like I was supposed to. They put me on Prozac, which gave me bad stomach pain and diarrhea. But when I got home, that was the worst feeling of all. I went back to my room... Everything looked ransacked. My lock to my beautiful makeup case was broken.... Etc.... It was the emptiest feeling. I wanted to write in my journal about it but how could I? If I wasn't seriously considering ending my life before all that, I definitely was at that point. Also, I am autistic, but that wasn't understood back then. I only got my diagnosis at 28 years old, after being traumatized by incompetent psychiatrists, every drug in the book, and further hospital stays... Ever since my diagnosis it's been uphill and I started to heal. I'm doing much better now and have forgiven my parents. They know what they did was wrong. But to this day I can't write in a journal no matter how hard I try. It used to be my therapy. I loved writing. Also to this day, I can't open myself up to anyone about anything. I feel like a locked book.

I’d smack a stranger that is calling my child (a child she doesn’t know) names like distorted, liar, manipulative. Ruby is a crazy heifer.

Trust and a good relationship with your child is more important than ANYTHING

My parents were like ruby and the “connexions” clan. They moved me away from friends. They read my diary. They listened in on phone calls. They picked and chose who I could hang out with, tv shows and movies I could watch, and activities I could participate in. I moved out at 19 to get away. I had no trust in my parents. I was raped and had gotten pregnant from that. I ended up in hospital miscarrying and I still wouldn’t call my parents when I needed them. Everything I have has been from really hard work and LEARNING FROM MY OWN MISTAKES RUBY! I feel nothing but sympathy and hurt for their kids. I left the church (not Mormon) and found myself. Ruby’s style of parenting is PUSHING HER CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEM. From watching her videos I can see that those poor children will exit stage left as fast as possible. I truly hope they the Griffiths family takes them in and gets them therapy to over come all they’ve been through. ETA: I’m now 40ish and still wish I had a motherly relationship instead of drill sergeant

People like Ruby and Kevin (and "advice" like this) are why there is a stigma when it comes to mental health.

frank frankie is out of his mind if he thinks there’s a “test” for a chemical imbalance. “they just treat off the apparent symptoms”- how does he think medical treatment works?

Why did I literally tear up when Josh was speaking to the camera how he would speak to his children if they messed up. Definitely the kind of parent I want to be for my children as it’s not what I had growing up.

She’s probably the absolute worst family vlogger out there. I feel bad for her children 😣

Her sister confirmed on insta that Ruby and Kevin chose to distance themselves from the rest of the family. And also confirmed that conexxions group is problematic and has ripped families apart.

Grew up with a parent that violated personal privacy and my sibling grew up to be the most wild child, yet the parent blames _them_ for who they became.

Can you imagine that kid getting relief from that doctor giving them medicine and listening to their mental health problems and validating their feelings and the parent being like “no it’s not in God’s plan to take medicine, you just need to think positive🙂”

Oh dear Ruby, your children are waiting(sleeping on a beanbag and no restroom door) counting down the days till they can RUN. Then those poor children dive right into the parties and other activities.

I grew up with older parents. They supported me through everything, when I was dealing with ADHD and anxiety and depression caused by the ADHD they helped me find support and get medication. But other parents hated my parents as they let me "do anything" but they let me do anything safely and in a controlled environment. Children learn from their mistakes, let them make them under your supervision rather than let them make mistakes and be afraid

why is no one talking about how that one mom took away her Childs cell phone as a punishment for sexting a 19 year old when she was 13?? the daughter is currently 14 and the mom said the incident happened a year ago so im assuming she was 13 at the time. but a 19 year old adult having an inappropriate sexual relationship with a 13 year old child is very concerning and that girl is a victim!! she should not have been punished for that, at least in my opinion. maybe im misinterpreting and the mom meant she took away the cell phone to protect her daughter but it sounded like she intended it to be a punishment. and then violating her privacy like this and accusing her of being manipulative?? this poor child is going to be so traumatized.

I am a Christian. I suffered from Depressionn/ocd anxiety/suicidal thoughts...partially due to some trauma... after listening to people tell me my faith was not strong enough for years I got tired of wanting to end it... And I now know there is no shame in taking meds...the TOTAL MORONIC STUPIDITY of the those people WITHOUT A DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY... blows my mind. And what freakin parent reads their childs private thoughts....omg...my heart is sad for her. That is telling her I do not trust you. Those parents will never get her trust... Adding...there is something weird going on with Ruby...she seems to have it our for the 14 year old who wants to keep her diary private...hmmm... going to keep my thoughts to myself. What a self righteous person. WOW I am actually nauseated...

My mum, while not being perfect... did create a safe environment for me where I felt I could tell her anything without shame or anger. Even to this day as an adult I always call her up to chat about everything! When I was a teenager, I remember all my friends and I went to a party, most of my friends had 'snuck out' because of strict parents.... things got a little scary at the party so I immediately called my mum (It was like 1am)... she ended up taking me and 4 other friends home that night because my friends were too scared to ask their parents for help, we could have easily got a lift home that night from someone drink driving, but I knew my mum would come get us. I will raise my children the same, I know kids will do stupid things but I would rather them ask me for help instead of doing something risky to hide it.

As a grown woman, my former father in law took pictures of parts of my journal and showed them to other family members to make fun of me and use it as ammo against me. 10 years later and I still experience anxiety every time I try to journal. I've only managed to do it 4 or 5 times since then, and promptly destroyed the pages to ease my anxiety. It's possible that a child experiencing that kind of betrayal may never be able to journal again, or at least effectively.

*Last I checked, "character" isn't a verb, Ruby . My mums read my little sister's diary when we were all in high school because "community" (religious cult) deemed it appropriate and all hell broke loose. Now my parents are So completely disgusted with churches, religion, etc., thank goodness. They're new fans of your show, Josh!

The quote "if ignorance is bliss ,you must be the happiest person on the planet" had to have been written just for Ruby Franke. The woman hasn`t an ounce of common sense.

These “principles” are psychologically disgusting and disturbing. I cannot comprehend that people follow any of this “advice.” It’s dehumanizing and demoralizing. These “principles” don’t seem to have any consistency and they are bent however they are needed for a given situation. Privacy is a basic human right to ALL people of all ages, and it fills me white hot rage that some groups of people have decided that only adults have the right to privacy. 😡🤬🤬

hell i’m not even a mother but if someone calls my future child manipulative or distorted, i’m going to go ape shit

My kids come to me with literally EVERYTHING. I like it that way. I never yell or judge them when they tell me things. It’s our job to guide them to make the right choices, learn from mistakes, and be confident in themselves.

I can’t believe these kids can’t even have journals that are private to themselves. I ended up with about 10 journals that I wrote from elementary school through high school. Very cathartic and a way to talk through my thoughts and feelings with myself. I feel so BAD for these kids. It’s messing up their future relationships and trust with others and NO WAY will they continue to have relationship with their parents

It's a group lead by narcissists telling other narcissistic parents that what they're doing is OK! I was cringing throughout the whole video... I would have reacted the same way as that girl, if my mom had found my diary and I didn't have anything to hide.

I enjoyed this. I’m not a parent that goes by this bullishit but I’m probably too strict and I’m so afraid my kids won’t trust me or come to me. This helped me know what to do when this happens to me cause I have 4 kids, 2 are girls and this WILL be something I deal with.

Do you think that this mom actually waited, while holding that spicy journal in her hands, for all of these response????? Nope, she read it as soon as her fingers touch it!!!!

I will never forget the pain of my parents reading through my private journals. Truly a core memory and my relationship with them are still damaged

I’m a full blown Jesus lover, but as a mom of 3 (having my third this week) my anxiety medicine is a God sent. I’ve always struggled with anxiety, but hormone imbalance on top of it all is a whole other world. My parents didn’t believe in anxiety and when I moved out I went to the doctor and got help. I’ve been a completely different person and am no longer suffering from my own thoughts. I hope the mom listens to the MD. Panic attacks will make you feel like your dying and you’re thoughts will make you want to. It’s a scary place when no one believes you or refuses to help.

This was insane. This was the feeling I would’ve had if my mom read my diary. Pure anxiety and mortification because I had wrote in there deep feelings and experiences that weren’t even bad they were just my thoughts that I thought would stay there. I eventually through my diary away because I was so scared of someone reading it.

Gosh the Frankes are involved in Orwellian parenting. They are essentially Big Brother. There kids are going to be so screwed up.

That thing about the journal really upset me. First off, that's what journals are for. Private thoughts. Working through sh*t. Even if the kid is writing about sex or something, so what? It's. Her. Thoughts. Inside her head or on paper, they exist. Parents digging into that IS absolutely a huge violation. I am just imagining if that had happened to me. If my parents knew I was questioning my sexuality, for instance, before I knew how to explain what I was feeling. Not only does that give me massive anxiety (just as a hypothetical!), but also, it would just make me feel more confused, and incredibly unsafe. Now, I never did write those feelings down, because I was so terrified of someone reading them. Even now, out and proud, there are still aspects of that process, of my feelings, and of my personal life that I do not talk about. Because I am not ready and may never be. 14 or 29, that is my right. My mom was trusting and not super controlling, and we have a great relationship. My sperm donor was verbally abusive, controlling, and lived to raise his voice. I have not spoken to him in almost two years and never intend to see him again. Trust matters! P.S. Ruby says 'do not share your opinions unless they are my opinions'. Um...I'd be out of that group in a heartbeat. F8ck you, a**hole!

Why is Kevin in the...Moms of Truth page. Sounds an awful lot like "not living in TrUtH" to me

Ruby is so triggering to me. She literally is my mother..She even looks like my mother .. my mom has been cut out of my life since age 21 .. im almost 36 now, and has only met 2 of the 5 children I have once. She divorced my dad after cheating on him, made me hate him, then abused me emotionally and encouraged drinking and premarital sex... When i ended up a drug addict and sexually assaulted, she told me jt was my fault. She then dumped me on my dad that i had no relationship with at 19 years old, with s heroin addiction, just assaulted, and pregnant. Thank god for my dad. He helped me get clean and helped raise my daughter. Why do i feel like ruby would do the same?! Ugh i HATE her.

Every time Ruby mentions being humble, it's cringeworthy.

I heard this parenting advice that really hit me hard, "our most important job as parents is to prepare our kids to live without us." This micromanaging and lack of control or privacy or anything without a parent is the exact opposite of that. I can't see this type of parenting ever being helpful or beneficial for a 14 yo.

Maybe the girl was writing about how much she can’t stand her mom 😆

If i found that my mom read my journal the next one would have a bunch of BS in it just to upset her next time

As someone who is a faithful member of the LDS church, I can honestly say that Ruby is EXTREME and a lot of the things that she does to her children go against what we believe (i.e. letting her 5 year old go hungry at school, taking away her son's bed for 7 months, etc).

This is hilarious! The journal part… talk about full circle. Ruby’s journal entries are out for the world to read. POS parents!!!

It’s scary to think people are actually taking parenting advice from this train wreck. Hannah seems like a normal person and Ruby doesn’t like that in her echo chamber.

I’m sure miss Ruby Doo’s kids are very well acquainted with this “please don’t share your opinions” idea that she’s pushing😭

I’m so glad Markie made a fake account to investigate them. The fact that a mom was losing her mind because her teenager was watching STRANGER THINGS is just completely delusional.

This video hit close to home for me. Thank you for this one! 🙏

Holy hell could you imagine trying to have a productive conversation with these people? I would be crying out of frustration and most likely would end up physically assaulting someone, as bad as that sounds. I truly CANNOT understand people like this. I am saddened that they are giving parenting advice to other people and they are taking it, in turn hurting more children because of it. I truly hope these kids break the cycle of this crazy emotional torment.

Medication has saved my life. I'm not ashamed. She's crazy.

My mom always told me not to write down anything I don't want someone to read. So I never journaled. My daughter has started Journaling and there's no way I'd read that. I honestly don't want to know what she's writing in there.

I am seriously scared for these kids. We can hope some of them WONT want to be like their parents but sadly some will. That only carries on the trauma further down the family tree and one day they wake up and are related to a serial killer or a family annihilator. This is scary stuff!

My grandma always told me modern medicine is an answer to someone's prayers.

I just found your videos and I love them. It gives me so much hope to know there are people like you publicly calling it out!

New sub here, I am excited that I found your channel! I am thrilled that you verbalize soooo many thoughts that I am thinking!!! Thank you for being a voice of reason and common sense!

This aged well 😂

she gives off some strong lori vallow-daybell vibes.

I almost died several times in a domestic violence relationship at age 38 and couldn't go to my mom bc she took all my diaries when I was younger and claimed to put them in a safety deposit box.... so bc she read I kissed a boy of a different race....I have went no contact with her. I'll never trust her again I tried to reach out to her to escape and she got mad bc I didn't feel comfortable telling her very traumatic details so I ended up being homeless for almost 5 months living in my car.... best decision I ever made because I got away from him and her and now they talk to each other bc I've ghosted them both for 2 years. Violating a child's trust repeatedly changes who they are.

I feel really sad for Ruby's kids. They're going to need so much therapy to undo the trauma she has caused them.

EVERYONE deserves some privacy. Your body is not yours if there is someone FORCING you to squeeze out every thought you've had. But RUBY thinks having a personal journal is being deceptive, manipulative and aggressive?! Soo, if scientists came up with a tool that allowed you to wear a device on your head like a little screen that would show EVERY thought you were having. I'm SURE Ruby would be just fine with us forcing her to wear it .....otherwise SHE is being deceptive, manipulative and aggressive. How DARE she want to have some personal thoughts...

This was extremely disturbing. They are so controlling it’s crazy. It’s mind blowing some of their responses.

As someone who takes medication for depression, anxiety, ptsd and ADHD, no they're not for everyone, ,BUT they are also EXTREMELY helpful! There are multiple genetic predispositions for mental health conditions, not even to mention the situational circumstances. Past trauma, no matter how "small". They are not doctors. As you said when disclosing your personal panic attack history, it is truly terrifying. It does indeed feel like you are having a heart attack/dying! Having depression and anxiety is like your brain fighting you from every single angle possible. Having PTSD is like constantly looking over your shoulder, constantly fighting to stay "present", always being on edge. ADHD is just the fight for staying focused, organized, attentive, and your brain is going a million + miles a minute but in all different directions. Medications help so many peoples quality of life!

This is exactly how my dad and stepmom raised me. I never felt safe as a child or teen. I now do not have a relationship with my stepmom and a minimal one with my dad, I acted the same way as the child in this situation. I was called a narcissist and a liar so much that I believed it, come to find out it was a reflection of them. I am now in therapy and not to trauma dump but my dad just recently told me that I was depressed for 2 years because I don’t go to church. It makes me not want to even make an attempt to go to church anymore. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

"This person needs commas, I'm getting pissed" I felt this 🤣

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!! My parents were just like Ruby Franke. They literally drove to my college when i was 21 to make sure I was in school and not with my boyfriend. I wasn't under 18 either, I was TWENTY-ONE!!!!!! 😱 I still talk to my parents but I definitely have lost trust in them and even when I am going through the hardest shit I do NOT talk to them about it. They basically only know the shallow stuff going on in my life (I'm 31 now but i've never talked to them about personal stuff.) It really does damage your bond with your child, I am SO glad you are covering this, more people need to cover it!! That speech you gave at the end almost made me cry 😭😭😭 It's something I wish I would have heard from my parents when I was younger

THANK YOU FOR COVERING FINALLY

Part one😳 this is going to be good

I love how your repose is "You're dumb." Simple and to the point 😂.

As a teen that this happened to (with my father which was honestly worse for me) you’re description of what happens afterwards was accurate for me. The word that still sticks with me to this day is humiliating.. my father making me feel humiliated is a betrayal I’ve had creep up in my thoughts off and on for decades.

-- Frankie Franke -- I'm dying, that's the best thing to call him 😅

The subtle snark in this is so effing hilarious 😂😂😂

Why do I think that ASSengers wasn't a typo 😂

@19.52 I definitely agree! Don’t read the journal but yes building trust & opening the communication lines are best!

looking forward to this one Josh 😀

God bless you. I couldn't even make comment correctly express how upset I am. So bless you for doing a video spreading awareness of all these abusive parents.

I'm in that group. 🤣 Not under this name... I don't want them to kick me out so I use my real name on there.

My mother read my diary twice when I was a teenager and confronted me with what she found both times. I still have issues regarding it to this day. Parents should never violate a child like that.

Would never take advice from these people!! Great video Josh as always. PS. the P is missing from passengers in your title 😀