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S04E01 #Succession 4x01 #TheMunsters #TomWambsgans & #Shiv - "We gave it a go." #SuccessionHBO #emmys #HBO
Music by #NicholasBritell
Written by #JesseArmstrong
Directed by #MarkMylod
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@nurse_plague Месяц назад

By no means am i excusing Shiv's actions, however this scene really helps me understand her. The whole point of Shiv being so hypocritical with Tom is because it was how Logan taught her to love, at arms length with competition from others. Competing with her brothers for her fathers attention was her idea of love, and by having Tom undergo that process, it would somehow prove to her that Tom does love her. However, Shiv is so terrified of losing Tom because she actually does love him, she talks on and on about his betrayals in S4 because she couldn't comprehend exceptions to the love her father taught her, that real love is dog-like, no matter how many times you kick them away, they should still come back. And because Tom was the one to kick her instead of it being the other way around, she was scared that this was it, that she would lose him. I think that Shiv does love Tom immensely, however, her father was never a good example when it came to showing love to others. Take Roman for example: if Shiv is believed to be the youngest the she's seen Roman and Logan's dynamic her whole life, she's seen how Roman is constantly abused and ridiculed by their father, a trend which transcends into adulthood, but even then, Roman has still undeniably loved their father. Also, Logan's wives and mistresses also serve as less than decent examples of what healthy love should look like. It's all exploitative, shunning, and carnal; leaving the recipient of Logan's attention devoid of anything. Shiv had to have been affected by this immensely, especially given that she is a woman in a male dominated profession, thus she knew even from her own father not to trust anyone in the end, for her gender is percieved to be weaker and more fragile by everyone around her. This would extent to her relationship with Tom due to the fact that, in a way, he is a rough draft of Logan. Steadily climbing the ranks, very successful, and in some moments a true killer. Shiv has seen many sides of the business world despite her inexperience, so she knows that ambitious men like her devoted husband, can do unseemly things to get what they want. So even if Tom would never do such a thing to Shiv, because he genuinely loves her, Shiv will always have that lingering fear in the back of her mind that she will be be disposed of, she will be kicked away, and she will be left betrayed despite everything she's done to Tom. Again, not trying to excuse her actions! Just wanted to get a better angle at her character.

@dh9690 Год назад

All this word salad and when Tom actually starts to let her and the marriage go she tries to pull him back in. Shiv will never let Tom go. Tom and Shiv were obviously based on Macbeth and Lady Macbeth.

@frankie3010 4 месяца назад

Not exactly. Macbeths have a happy marriage and are mostly on the same page, even as their misdeeds take a toll on their sanity. Tom and Shiv DO NOT have a happy marriage and are rarely on the same page or working together.

@annkey4091 8 месяцев назад

The moment Shiv sat down on that bed, neither of them were walking anywhere. You can see the "fatigue" on Shiv's face as she tells Tom to stay where he is. Sure!

@rashadginn8768 Год назад

I don't mind seeing her cry. Now she know what Tom has been feeling

@ghulaa 5 месяцев назад

you think she’s been feeling dandy up until this point or what? the hatred y’all have for shiv is so pathetic

@cxutiegamer3676 4 месяца назад

@@ghulaaPathetic? Are you really defending Shiv? lmao 😂

@margarethmichelina5146 3 месяца назад

@@ghulaaShiv treated Tom like shits, cheating on him many times, controlling and gaslighting him just because she thinks she can do it just because she's a spoiled Daddy's rich kid who thinks just because her Daddy is the CEO, she can do whatever she wants. Once her Daddy's gone, she is hopeless and broken and she's so ungrateful to Tom. Tom keeps saying she loved her many times but she doesn't love him back.

@Bethune_Groundstaff Год назад

From holding hands to not q

@Linzo24 Год назад

BOOM.

@margarethmichelina5146 3 месяца назад

Shiv: *Treat Tom like a spacegoat, mocking him many times along with her brothers, even cheating with him many time and doesn't love him anymore.* Tom: "Alright." Tom: *Betrayed her in the end of Season 3 Finale by siding with Logan.* Shiv throughout Season 4: "ToM, I CaN'T beLiEvE yOu bETray Me!"