"Learning any new skill involves relatively brief spurts of progress, each of which is followed by a slight decline to a plateau somewhat higher in most cases than that which preceded it….To take the master's journey, you have to practice diligently, striving to hone your skills, to attain new levels of competence. But while doing so-and this is the inexorable fact of the journey-you also have to be willing to spend most of your time on a *plateau*, to keep practicing even when you seem to be getting nowhere.” --George Leonard “Mastery: The Keys to Success and Long-Term Fulfillment.”
@@SaekoMantisMaybe you just belong there. Ranked modes often give the impression that they're a steady progression system. They aren't, they're meant to settle you in a spot that fits your skill level so you can get fair matches.
As a public school teacher, I looove the pedagogy analysis. I wonder how responsible you feel the developers are for teaching their games to their audience? In game tutorials seem to have all the problems of an online curriculum, no interaction with mentors or peers, and no one to turn to and ask questions when something doesn’t make sense. What can be done on the developer side to make growth easier, or are they doing enough as is?
They do the bare minimum and just expect players to talk to their community to get better. If they aren't willing to better themselves as a player, or are unsatisfied with their play, that's on them. We can't let the developers change things to accommodate them because then we'll have a barebones, shell of its former self sequel in a fighting game that dumbs mechanics and the integrity of the franchise. Happened with every recent sequel I've seen. Ends up not adding anything new to the table, remove legacy features of all kind, including but not limited to tactics, aesthetics, modes, etc.
Ariel Nunez I’m not asking them to dumb anything down. But I think tutorials in game need work to reach those who struggle and drop the game quickly. The question is simply, how can developers make in game tutorials measurably better, and should they even try?
My most recent plateau was utilizing the same offensive and defensive sequences in SFV (Falke player here). My current method is including new okizeme options into my playstyle.
Interesting on how there are different heights and lengths to be on a plateau. Not sure what to write down, but I do try to improve. Not sure if I am improving. Been super silver for over four years in SFV, but improve in other games. Maybe SFV. Trying all the characters in Arcade & trials was fun to learn about them. Popular vid!
Its a really good discussion, it happen really often in fg. But i feel like its impossible to plateau in melee, there is just to many shit to learn and your tech skill can always get better.
@safe space imagine being so dumb you streotype people base on game they play. Imagine being so dumb you think a game is dead, when pulls more viewers than 70% of fgc game. What a horrible life it must be.
You can say that, but it’s not true. Certain players, see plup, had the same results for about two years before they started taking tournaments. Plateaus happen in any kind of improvement scale. I agree, there’s a lot of tech so you can always get better, but the Bette you get, the less important learning a small tech is
@@becuzimbrucewayne9337 I'm saying it's more like an end goal. Once you have the execution, the knowledge of the matchups. That's when you can say you can start enjoying the game without any questions. To me, It's more a feeling than something that naturally occurs. It's having doubt, it's questioning or being upset by particular tactics. Once you have the execution, the knowledge etc. If you can say nothing surprises you because you know your abilities are above average or pro level, that's a good feeling. Like guys that have been playing certain old-school titles for like 10-20 years. You learn something everyday is the saying, sure, but try telling that to those guys. That they've, "plateaued". We all know this is inspirational talk for novices. It's kind of like saying, "Not to offend anyone..." Before a sentence, knowing damn well it's just asking for a free pass to do just that and discredit someone. It has the opposite effect when said even if any form of level cap is technically a plateau.
@@MoldMonkey93 Right. But you have to understand that even if you know what to do, you still haven't mastered to actually execute it during high pressure. We can put exercising for Ex. We all know how to run. But some of us aren't running in proper form. We end up hurting ourselves more than what we gain, if we run wrong. We may be able to run perfectly today, but what about the next day? We break our muscles so it won't be able to run in perfect form. That's when we force ourselves to grow even stronger, by forcing our muscles to move a certain way, at it's weakest. So it'll grow to adapt what we make it to be. That's why we study. I've been taught that people who don't use the knowledge they've been taught over a certain period, tend to forget it. We always have to study the match up or the execution. Even if we perfect it today, we still have to study what we learned. Mechanics or cheap tech? That just mean's you haven't study that area yet. It's beyond the materials you've learned. It's time to learn something new, and develop a new strategy to win. Just as exercising. Just running isn't going to make you faster. You have to lift weights, remember the breathing pattern, the form you have to used. Where and when to start doing this or that. If you focus hard enough, you'll start to see the small little details that can't be seen from another perspective. But I have to tell you, this is from my point of view. Even today, I'm still learning. All I know that, there's more to learn. And I'm willing to give everything I've got.
@@MoldMonkey93 It just means that those players have given up on growing. Fighting Games isn't mean't for everyone, if it was, everyone would be playing it. Just like being a "pro". If being good at fighting games was that easy, then everyone would be a "pro". I'm sad to say, but it's true that being good at Fighting Games isn't for everyone. But I believe that it's only if you don't have the heart to be better. To be good at Fighting Games, you'll have to make sacrifices. Friends, Family, fun, time, etc. If people really do want to get out of that plateau, they'll have to earn it.
@@MoldMonkey93 Either man up and make sacrifices, or go home and be a family man. If players aren't willing to make sacrifices to be better, than they shouldn't be crying about hitting a wall. It's their choice. But I do understand that some players are blind to see their mistakes until later, even if they gave everything they've got. It's only a matter of time until they've notice it. But until then, they're going have to endure tons of failures, if they can't do that, then... too bad.
