SquidTips Podcast Ep. 2 - Trans women in sports, May 2023 

If you ever run across that strange video again about hth estrogen in the water lmk

Fuck yeah

my dad sold his old motorcycle bc he never used it anymore and it sucks bc i am gonna get a licence in a couple years so it would be great to not pay for a cycle, it was pretty sick too (bringing the percentage of women cycling up 💪)

Somebody once told me that the world was macoroni

​@@kevinbaker6299 because TERFs seem to think that trans people are sub-human, or if you prefer are ⅗ of regular humans and deserve less rights and hopefully a simple phrase like "Trans rights are human rights" might pierce through their hate. (My use of terminology from historical racist ideologies was entirely deliberate - transphobia is simply that loathsome and wrong).

​@@kevinbaker6299 so you'd say black rights are not human rights on the basis of it being "a separate category" ??? It's not a separate category, that's literally why we say they are human rights. One and the same.

@@Chongyun.. xingqiu would be very disappointed in you, as am i.

@@moof4427 nope

Omg congrats!

@@SquidTips thank you! Your channel was a big help in making me realize I'll find a supportive place where ever I go!

​@@LatinaCreamQueen congrats so happy for you

Congratulations! I'm so glad you had a good coming out!

Fuck yess!!!!! 🎉

​@@MickeyMouse-lm6zj what? Elder trans people? I am curious what you consider an elder trans person

I think 65+

Yessssss this is the waaayy

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Lmk when you do in discord, and I wanna see 📸📸📸

@@SquidTips Can’t wait 😊

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​@@ThePeteSandoval when you enter the world of bikes, if you ever feel you don't belong in a group, then fuck those people (odds are, they're going to be Andrew Taint fanboys or office drone wage slaves that think dropping north of £20k on a Harley, Harley branded leathers and assorted Harley tat is the height of rebellion (like the scores of other middle aged wage slaves in their town doing the exact same thing) Don't worry about finding a group for you - just enjoy the ride.

That’s so awesome. Can’t wait to get my “Motorcycles are for everyone” sticker and put it somewhere prominent on my bike

When I see pretransition photos I kind of search for recognition in those old photos: what did they see that they wanted to bring out in themself? Maybe an over the top comparison, but Michelangelo said that when he carved a statue he was simply removing the stone that wasn't the figure. Those amazing scultures were there the whole time, but we couldn't see it until he showed us.

​@@thefabooit don't think there's anything we want to "bring out", unless you count "whatever my real face is supposed to look like"?

@marsell ☦️(RESISTANCE AGAINST WOKENESS) 🤷‍♂️???

i should have never transitioned ( FTM ) because no one talks about me ;-; but seriously the US took women's right to abortion away and now people are making a fit about the evil transgenders so that women forget that they are in the same boat

​@@user-tb7ws5lb4y can you explain what you mean by that? Trans women should be allowed in cis women's bathrooms because they are women. Same thing with trans men.

@@alsolii oh yeah, absolutely! i agree entirely! what i mean is that trans women are forced into men's locker rooms in so many countries, and THAT is what is a hazard to them. i entirely agree every trans person should be able to use the bathrooms and lockers they feel comfortable in but unfortunately this isn't the case. sorry if my comment was unclear, english isn't my native language. the intent was to compare the numbers of top trans athletes people claim to be concerned about (very small number, cant think of a single one personally) with the numbers of trans kids forced to be in lockers/restrooms/teams that don't match their identity (smth i hear about every day) to show how ridiculous and harmful that mindset is to transgender people.

@@h0gchamp69 completely agree!

​​@@alsolii trans women😂😂 cis women😂😂😂

Thanks, I’m not really sure about them tbh

@@SquidTips ohh rip u should make them your favourite colour lol

​@@inconsistizzy😆😂😂

transgender woman😆

@@natureofnina37 imagine being so pathetic that even the thought of someone who's different to you sounds like a joke or like it's bad somehow

@@GentlemensClubHolyEdition you're not a woman

@@natureofnina37 lmao why should I care if someone as pathetic as you thinks I'm valid, you should try touching grass you might benefit a lot from it, I know I did

No u

Looking grim? LOL who the fuck are you kidding? Get off social media and go outside. You could not find a bigger gay haven outside of CA than this state. Just because a teacher isn't allowed to talk about sex with 10 year olds and children aren't allowed to have plastic surgery doesnt mean things are "grim." Don't be so ignorant. And yeah, biological males who try to play sports against girls are pussies.

@@Mike-hn4uu FOH. "Speaking about sex" (that is, comprehensive sex education) is a fundamental and demonstrated important part of pre-teen education. Are you seriously, unironically, insisting that 10 is too young for people (many of whom have started puberty at that age) to learn about their bodies and how they function?

Trans women are men and vice versa

​@@Bugy64why would i agree with you id feel shitty if i did

@@user-ky2rk8tp5g because you'd be right

@@Bugy64 why would i wanna be right ? When i can be happy?

@@user-ky2rk8tp5g there is freedom in truth

I wonder the opposite: Why don't other sports have weight classes? American wrestling often has mixed gender competitions specifically because it's *weight* that trumps skill, not gender. Why is something like soccer gender segregated rather than weight or height?

@@thefaboo I was being sarcastic but that’s a very good point

39:22 I feel like she should be allowed to compete even if people didn't perceive her as a cisgender woman. Side note, I feel really awkward and uncomfortable when someone tries to compliment me by saying "I could NEVER perceive you as anything but a woman". Idk how to articulate why it bugs me so much tho. "Looking like a woman" is only a standard that people apply to transgender women. Like nobody would even think to say that about a cis woman. Also I feel like the implication is that, if I didn't look like a cis woman, they wouldn't perceive me as being a woman? I guess part of why it makes me uncomfortable is that they think it's a compliment to tell me that I don't "look" like a trans woman. And I hear that from other trans women too, so I think it's maybe a result of the social conditioning to view women with "masculine" features as being ugly.

Great video, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts :) I started following your content because of the 'transphobe to trans ally' video too!! It was so good!! Its so uncommon, even for well meaning people, to look at their own transphobia. Like I think literally everyone in our current society is taught transphobia, but they think, well I never verbally harassed and assaulted a transgender woman, so I'm not transphobic! But the problem is when people don't think they need to confront their own assumptions, they never actually realize that they might be perpetuating transphobia. So I have a ton of respect for you for actually doing that!! TBH when I saw the title, I assumed you would have been like, actively hating trans people. I honestly think everyone has (or had) the same mindset as you had growing up, they just don't realize it's transphobic. They see people like jkr or dusantis and think they're nothing like those people. So yea you're legit af re trans stuff, imo

​@@transgirl420😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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I literally say it moments after that timestamp and the reason you’re still waiting is because nobody asking that question ever intended to listen to the answer.

@@SquidTips "A woman is a societal construct". Is this really your definition? C'mon, try again.

I think I spend a lot of effort humanizing people who think differently, far more than most people, but there are limits to my patience and acceptance like anyone else. I will get to the CHOP video at some point and show you what I saw, but I would love to hear what you think the ‘very real, serious, and lasting damage done by the riot’ was.

@@SquidTips there were billions of dollars in damages, people lost their livelihoods, people were hurt and killed and never got justice, crime is still up in many areas so the damage is ongoing, the economic impact has caused supermarkets and grocery stores to close in the most affected areas which tend to be low income, exacerbating food deserts and poverty as a whole. People can debate all day whether the protests/riots did any good or not, but to ignore or downplay the ruination of communities and lives is unfair, illogical, irresponsible and dangerous. It also incentivizes people to do it again while making excuses for those who were only interested in themselves and spreading chaos. I’m sure there are people who had a good time in Chaz/chop, but life is bigger than you and no one pair of eyes can see the whole picture, this is why we use statistics when making policy. I think I should also mention that the reliance on anecdotes is also an issue I have with your “why trans women belong in sports” video. You said that your primary intended audience is anyone with reservations about trans women in sports but you didn’t actually address the points those people make. That woman’s life story can be inspiring and humanizing to many but it simply doesn’t answer the fair questions that people have. Is this fair? Is there a point at which it becomes fair? Is there a reason these trans women shouldn’t compete with men? Why doesn’t it matter that cis women are uncomfortable but it does matter when trans women are uncomfortable? Many of these questions have reasonable replies so there’s real opportunity to potentially sway peoples opinions or at least soften attitudes, and simultaneously it would avoid the common pitfall many make of just viewing the other side as senseless bigots

Those are not logical arguments my guy Trans sportswomen are women, and that association to women's sports is evidently important to them, also...not striving for fairness was never a point made. Inherent advantages always exist, but no inherent advantage exists that cannot be accounted for via training, like the science literally indicates that the physical advantage a male is born with is so fuckin nebulous in the field of sports and has never been substantiated by any real world result See the world of sports where trans people are evidently not dominating across the board the way fearmongering bigots want to believe is happening

@@Jo_youwhatmate the idea that men don’t have clear biological advantages over women in almost every sport is completely ridiculous and requires you to ignore all of human history and present day sports leagues. There is a reason that women don’t play in the leagues that pay much better, it’s because they can’t compete. If you’re talking about advantages at birth alone then that’s still not terribly relevant because most people transition after they hit puberty so they’ll still have a noticeably different body in a few regards. Also, there’s basically no data on trans athletes because they’re so rare and this is only recently becoming prominent, so any scientific arguments in either direction are going to be completely lacking. Also, you seem to have not seen his other video, he spends multiple minutes talking about how most athletes are simply biologically inferior than others and they should just accept that. In the context it’s clear he’s downplaying the importance of fairness, which is at the center of peoples concerns. There are multiple prominent trans athletes who are dominating in women’s sports, that plus intuitive knowledge of male and female physicality makes it reasonable for the average person to feel that this is unfair. Calling everyone who’s concerned about this a bigot is simply unproductive and untrue. You can have compassion towards someone without supporting every single thing they do all the time. I know trans women want to be in women’s sports, but that doesn’t determine whether their participation is fair to others or not. It also doesn’t explain why their feelings should be prioritized over those of other athletes. These are reasonable concerns held by people just as smart and compassionate as anyone else and they should be addressed rather than ignored. If you just ignore them people will assume you have no answer and it ultimately cements their opinions/beliefs

​@@sackofclams953 You just don't understand the argument he's making. Sports are inherently _not fair_ . Some people - most people in most sports - have biological advantages that cannot be overcome by training. A lot of other deeply unfair things contribute to who wins sports competitions; doping and money will probably never not be relevant, to name a few. That's why it's weird that you are so obsessed with "fairness". The reality is that trans women entering women's sports will not have a large effect on most sports. A lot of sports already allow trans people to enter, and trans women aren't dominating or whatever. For the most part, their advantages are not going to trump the winning hand of the genetic lottery, the true anomalies of human physique. For example, the average WNBA player is taller than the average man.

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Depends on the sport and when they've started hrt. Even trans women admit that. Body builders who are trans aren't comfortable competing with cis women, but if its a skill sport like skating its fine for anyone to compete with each other.

@@unholynoise3087 Unfortunately untrue. Trans women have broke women's lifting records, it happens. Lia Thomas had an advantage in swimming and still competed. Even in skating the male physiology has advantages. Stop speaking of trans women like one homogenous group, they aren't and therefore regulators have to step in

@@WolfShroom lia thomas won a single event.

@@WolfShroom she has the same muscle mass and estrogen levels as a cis woman, hell a lot of cis women has higher testosterone levels and are required to take estrogen before competing in events. She won one event. Have you seen how much her stats dropped after she started taking E? She used to be one of the best male swimmers, and now she's in the league of decent female swimmers. Estrogen is a powerful drug, and by powerful I mean it makes you weak af.

you should do research on what hrt does to trans women. while it doesn't affect height, it will affect strength and bone density. If you really care about unfair advantages how will you fix it? Because putting people to play against others of their AGAB only gives an unfair advantage to trans men.

Idk what the transfem female guide is

Humans aren't as sexually dimorphic as one would think, especially because hormones play a big factor in everything. Trans women who have been on HRT for years (estrogen and antiandrogens), especially if they transitioned earlier in life, have significantly less muscle than cis men. Biologically, trans women have the hormonal makeup of a female. Really when trans people transition, their physical and hormonal biology become closer to an in-between state sort of like intersex conditions or cis people with genetic/hormonal issues. So I think the argument him and me are making is that the issue isn't female vs male, it's more of weight, height, and other physical advantages that stem from winning the genetic lottery. And yes some trans women have physical advantages over cis women. Key word is some, not all. Some cis women have naturally higher levels of testosterone, tall as hell, even getting mistaken for trans women due to their natural build. We don't ban cis women with genetic advantages, we don't ban 6' 1" cis women with PCOS, so don't ban XY genetics since the whole DNA spectrum plays SO MUCH more into someone's advantage in sports than just the sex chromosomes someone was born with.

@@SquidTips that was a joke lol. that you might be an egg (unknowing/closeted trans woman) on account of the suggested video

@@plantaepower6359 Individuals very, yes. Not all trans women have an unfair advantage, yes. It's a nuanced issue, but unfortunately at this point there needs to be a rule put in place. Hormones don't change everything (namely bone structure) and you can't regulate sports on how well someone passes. Because the majority of trans women have gone through years of androgenic puberty, they have some sex-associated advantages. Trans women are socially women, but biologically are estrogenized men. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just a fact about being trans. I'm not saying a blanket ban on all trans women in sports is the solution, but we shouldn't let compassion distract us from the facts of the situation.

there are legitimate scientific studies that have looked into this. what they have found? prepuberty, there is no difference in physical ability of the sexes. post puberty, there is a noticeable difference. but crucially, this difference disappears to nothing after HRT (i believe the tested figure was five years). i’ll do my find it to cite.

you're not a woman

@@dr.jillalicecooper2587 neither are you

You're probably a bot

​@@dr.jillalicecooper2587you're not even a human😂 bold talk coming from a machine

@@rainkidwell2467 child, give mommy back her tablet and finish your rainbow cereal.

I hope I get big enough for Venjent to notice me and we can do a real ass collab!

​@@SquidTipsvenjent😆😂