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@@mcdonald5519 pretty much everyone I've ever played at a tournament nods when they lose a stock unless they sd, and you see it from a lot of top players if you pay attention to player cams, so I don't think it's some fgc only thing
In smash4 time there was a player who defeat mkleo with ryu, I don't remember his name, but he destroy mkleo's marth and I think his cloud. If anyone use ryu or and ken at Daigo Umehara's level in smash, he really would be #1 at Smash Ultimate. Ryu and Ken are underestimated.
@Anthony Broussard yep. nearly all the players in the top eight will adapt. though the top three will crush u for the mistakes you make. approaching joker with arsene isn't a mistake. approaching mkleo's joker with arsene is deadly. RESPECT MKLEO ARSENE HE IS NUMBER ONE FOR A REASON
There have been a few awesome players gettin upsets using under-appreciated characters lately, its bringing more balance to the meta cause more players are giving. these characters a chance, learning more about them, etc. its pretty cool to see, especially cause I play some pretty obscure characters too. btw nice profile pic haha
But it was a pretty standard set from both players. If you think a set is good only for the drama behind it (as funny as it was) then that is pretty lame guys...
I’m a ken/ryu main and can almost guarantee you he misinput shoryuken there and got the heavy f-tilt instead. Then again we’re talking about Riddles here so 🤷♂️
@@Y3JIcs My first thought too, did the input to early for a heavy shoryuken and it only read the forward plus hold A which gives heavy ftilt, literally the only time i use it too the move is never worth using because you could've just used the hook kick to kill at that rate and is more consistent and faster
@@MsPotatobag The guy who won multiple tournaments with a ton of different characters? Lmao people who think leo is winning just because of his character have no idea of his track record apparantly
@@stormcutter59 He makes valid points though. Not sure if you keep up with melee at all but stalling can be a real bitch in that game bc of the ledge mechanics.
Oh my god this set was insane. With great commentary too. I love Riddles Ken as much as his Richter, first time seeing it. What I love the most is that smile and acceptance at the end, that mentality is gonna make him climb in majors
The problem with being number one, everyone starts to study up on you, you become everyone’s target still this man played super scary his ken is insane
Leo strong but is he that strong? from watching this set all i understood pretty much is that leo used what could be considered the game best character, nice speed good recovery easy confirm (literaly the last kill was a 2 tick upair into a confirmed downsmash) projectile that do stun (it does about the same damage as fox projectile but it has the added effect of hit stun) also he a 'sword-ish' character meaning that you cant trade hit with like a no weapon character (thus generaly any character that doesnt hit with the character model will have an upper hand like sword character or character like ness or zelda) he get a boost that roughly come at around 60% that last a while increase some of his ability and give him pretty much the game best counter. Meanwhile he had a tight fight agaisnt a much lower tier character that is highly reliant on combo with a slow moving projectile okay-ish recovery and his best finisher is tied to his up b thus missing = massive punish. All in all i do believe MK leo is quite strong but in this particular matchup it was just joker massively pulling his weight by being faster than ken having easier confirm combo and having stun projectile aswell as a better air game and recovery. Arsen doesn't help either mostly because it will alway happen and increase joker capability for a while whitout having to do the down B work, which could lead to nerf down the line making it so arsen come much later if one doesnt use down b (probably around the little max level where it would take about 90% to 110% damage before you get Ko punch)
@@captainhost0 don't tell me you actually believe that, if that's the case then every joker main should be good, he's put time and dedication into Joker. Pacman was considered low until tea started kickin' ass now people are all like "oh top definitely top" and it'll continue to be like that for every new person that comes and makes a "low" character "god-like" basically just adapt and stop acting likes it's completely broken
@@enma2982 I didn't state that joker carry leo i am stating joker is doing a lot of the work especialy in this matchup which is a fact. Leo is good which while individual skill will help when in an unfavorable matchup the mechanics of characters fighting eachother often account a lot for how easy or hard the fight is gonna be. Which can easly be proven by checking one of the past Evo (evo 2013 to be exact) on the brink of defeat in the akuma vs balrog matchup infiltration pull out a counter hakan which is a massive counter to balrog and just start hammering in the wins.
When you play a competitive game in tourneys, respect is immediately thrown out the window, as you should show no mercy to your opponent, but of course be aware of the character. Still gotta acknowledge the set though, Riddles did purty good against Leo
@@christroyer69 "Respect" is not "showing mercy" lol. It's how wary you are of the ability of your opponent. Going against Leo, you'd think that the normal player would play more cautious, but he went in 100% aggro.
You took my comment a little wrong. My comment wasn’t written out very well (sorry I was in a rush for some reason) but what I meant by “respect was the abilities aforementioned by you. But when you play against hardcore pros, you gotta sorta forget that you’re playing against them, but still realize there abilities. But don’t have too much respect as that can lead you to losing. Just pointing out flaws in my comment so I don’t have to edit it and you call me out on it. Idc, I’m just correcting myself. Good day
@@Ms.Microcurie Venom's gotten insanely good at ken, he's the only Ken i've seen actually shield break and do solid combos into spikes. I'd suggest seeing his fight vs Z (Cloud, Palutena) you'll see an insane combo he did on Mewtwo
Watching this in 2022, it’s weird seeing Leo fight riddles (now a top ten player) in what looks like phase 2 pools. Also can’t believe they were talking about auto-turnaround like a novel, cool new mechanic when now people just call it cheating lmao
I think Ken has potential to counter Joker, if someone in top 8 were to play him well, like Riddles did this round. His confirms are fast, so at times Ken can kill Joker before he kills you with Arsene
Agreed, Ken kills really early which can counter Arsene, but it's kind of a difficult match up for Ken/Ryu as well though, because most of Joker's moves have multi-hits, so he eats through Focus attack.
Just found out that riddles has been a Belmont main for most of smash ultimate but I think the change over to ken is working out for him I hope he continues playing with him
His recovery is still shit. Not little mac shit but still really bad. Whenever he's offstage he's taking about 50% or dying as you can see in the video.
@Diego Cifuentes Oh screw off. In most scenarios, a lot of nail bitter victories are determined by mental and in-game decisions earlier on that directed the flow of the match.
Few things I've noticed from Riddles : - He approaches with Nair too often and Leo caught up on that. That non stop aggression with the same move cost him a lot of % - He should have laid back more when Arsen was out, maybe played with hadoukens to zone Leo out
It's crazy to see how Leo's Joker has changed since this set. Watching him against Dabuz at Smash Factor 9, you could tell Leo was using gun a lot more in neutral and going for more stage spikes.
I just come here from recommended videos and start watching some matches since I used to play smash brawl (wii and switch now). I really got shocked by this mkleo, I only saw him loses 1 match from all the videos in a finals. This dude is a monster, so much control of the character and spaces, wins often when he is in the edge. Btw, this riddle seems really good too:)
@@eduardobobe3686 Alright joker isn't broken. Lucario and cloud have similar concepts as well. Leo has won with multiple characters. The fact that marss and kameme have beaten leo in the past 3 weeks show that there is counter. Even Leffen says you need to wait out arsene. Quit complaining git gud