I have to say that Kathryn's poisonously sweet tone at the end is epic. "Hello. I'm Captain Kathryn Janeway. Welcome to the bridge." Said the spider to the fly.
Janeway is one of my favorite characters from start trek as a whole. Her face when she realized the ship is lost and she won’t let her crew be harvested just resonates power and humility to me.
Only downside is that blowing up a starship really should require dual authorizations. Is it really that hard to add a line for Chakotay: "Computer, confirm self destruct sequence. Authorization Chakotay epsilon zero four seven."
Now if only this entire situation hadn't been Janeway's own fault in the first place - for stranding them all in the Delta Quadrant and for refusing multiple earlier opportunities to get them home, including by a Q, no less.
Oh tell me about it! This was a great episode! This one is entitled Deadlock from I think season 2. And the looks that Janeway and Chakotay give each other in this scene..priceless!
They actually did somewhat of a follow up to this episode in the Star Trek Online video game, where you discover that the Ensign Kim who was killed on the heavily damaged Voyager's body was recovered by the Kobali, the species from the episode "Ashes to Ashes" and resurrected as one of their species, just like the dead Voyager crew member Lyndsay Ballard from the same episode, who also appears in that mission.
OtakuMegane I agree. And there is something so menacing in the way the enemy captain doesn't say anything. Just nods. His plans for the Voyager crew are unthinkable.
After this episode the crew never encountered the Vidiians again. I'd always like to think they eventually found out about how Voyager destroyed their larger ship at point blank range and came out of it without a scratch and thought "what the actual..."
This was the darkest scene in all of Voyager in my opinion. Completely existential where the alien crew of a tactically superior ship forced their way in and attempted to slay everyone, including a newborn infant. Nothing got that brutal anywhere else, because at least the Borg would keep you alive.
+Galilee1964 I remember loving the "weird" in TNG when I mentioned it to a Sci-Fi fan in the 1990s, and they brought up X-Files for no good reason. WEIRD BELONGS TO STAR TREK!
Actually popular theory suggests now that the Voyager that gets destroyed would technically be the "original" Voyager that starts off the series since they had the antimatter that couldn't be duplicated, making Harry Kim the lone original survivor or the series!
janeway: hello, I'm captain kathryn janeway, welcome to the bridge. vidian: commander! 3 seconds later voyager is destroyed. most epic last words in star trek from a female captain.
+sergeantassassin3 Good line, but seeing as how Janeway still had control of the main computer command functions, why didn't she simply seal off the Bridge, Sickbay and then vent the atmosphere
Trek001 Because that would give the Vidiians time to react, time to perform countermeasures, time to attempt to do SOMETHING to prevent it. Furthermore, with the destruction of Voyager so close to the Vidiian ship, it caused a cascade reaction that destroyed the other ship and took all of the other Vidiians with them.
As far as Janeway being a 'psychopathic bitch' for killing her crew. No. The decision was simple enough- She could do nothing: her ship would be overrun, the duplicate Voyager discovered and overrun as well. Everyone dies. She could have allowed the security team over: The rift may have destabilized and killed them all. She could destroy her ship: Takes out the Vidiians and allow the duplicate Voyager to survive. Better for someone to go on toward home, than no one.
Hey, Sovereign-class ships like the Enterprise-E have an "Omega" destruct option that just needs the Captain. Point is, the sequence varies from class to class.
@@crystalheart9 Good question ! The answer can be found in the TNG Technical Manual. 11.9 AUTO DESTRUCT SYSTEMS COMMAND AUTHORIZATION The command to activate auto-destruct can be issued only by a limited number of crew members according to specific flight rules. Conditional tests programmed into the main computers are distributed to key autonomous subprocessor nodes throughout the ship to allow the autodestruct sequence to be carried out, even if the main computers are disabled. These tests check for the proper sequence activation inputs by command personnel, beginning with the captain and first officer. The programmed conditions check forthe succession of command personnel; if eitherthe captain or first officer is determined by the computer to be unavailable, the system will accept-inputs from officers only down to the position of Operations Manager.
Just to clear up a few questions here, "almost" everything was duplicated. However, the power source of the ship was unable to be duplicated. This caused both ships to try to draw from a single power source. Due to this, one "existence" of the ship could not survive. One existence of the ship was boarded and taken over, so that copy of Voyager blew itself up to destroy themselves and the enemy ship. This left a single Voyager left allowing the intended 1 to 1 ratio of ship to power needs.
RpTheHotrod Indeed but the only reason why there were two of the same ship cuz they were both connected by a single gateway in the form of a rift. The moment that one of the Voyager duplicates is destroyed the rift linkage between both Voyagers is broken.
It was a brilliant twist too, because the Voyager that survived is the one that gets beaten up throughout the episode. You assume naturally that the healthy ship will survive and the damaged ship will be sacrificed, but it's the opposite
And he piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon he would have shot his heart upon it
I wished the ship exploded just a few seconds later so I could have a looked at the expressions on the vidiians faces or wait just long enough for them to say something stupid. Yes I'm that type of person.
Wow, I saw this episode for the first time last night and it just was an emotional rollercoaster from beginning to end. I could not guess how it was going to end up but I never dreamed the Voyager and crew we know, except for Harry and the baby, would be destroyed and the other Voyager would continue on it's way home. Just an amazing episode all the way to the end.
What, people are calling Janeway psychopathic for sparing her crew the indignity of having their organs harvested? Nonsense. It's more like people are throwing crap bombs at people with feelings and harvesting what sticks. The internet is a cess pool. But I liked this episode because the ship that was in an awful state was the one to survive, and the ship in perfect health was the one to destroy itself to save the other.
This episode is one of my favorites. Janeway shows she's the alpha female there. I also love how she and Chakotay look at each other before she says "Enable". The PTB definitely missed out on an opportunity there. They belong together, IMHO.
so, they're so concerned about Harry making it over to the other universe that they sent him, alone, against over 300 Vidiians... umm... HELLO? This is HARRY. He's lucky when he can tie his shoes correctly in the morning. If they're all going to die anyway, why didn't they form a flying wedge and march down to sickbay with him and guard him until he made it through? Instead it's "good luck kid, hope ya make it. We'll all sit here in our chairs and think noble thoughts until we go boom." :P
Are we talking about the same Harry Kim? The man who later demonstrates to be strong enough even to withstand a mating offer by 7 of 9? Who was WILLING TO EXPLORE!!!
Oh man, I never noticed Ensign Take-One-For-The-Team standing in the background when the Vidians come on the bridge. There's my recommendation for the Star Fleet Medal of Honor right there! "I need an Ensign to volunteer to unnecessarily die while not actually doing anything in the background while I steal the show." "You can count on me ma'am!"
@@AndrewChapman I was thinking the same thing: the Vidiians discovered the self destruct sequence only at the last moment and, even if the two vidiians in the sickbay were unconscious, they would have never had the time to get out.
Wouldn't have mattered much if it was set to stun, they were all gonna die in seconds anyway. Five minutes ins't long enough to come back from a stun shot :D
I love how she knows exactly how stubborn she is. I also love how polite she sounds as she utters her last words. On a more serious note; I don't understand why anyone would WANT to be captain. The kind of decision she had to make, the weight of it, the weight of ALL the responsibilities that come with the title...why would anyone actively pursue it? I would like to know what kind psychological toll that took on the surviving Kathryn. Knowing something is the right decision doesn't make it easy to swallow once you have time to think about it.
Well to be honest there are only a few ships where it gets this interesting on so many occasions. I actually imagine most starfleet posts even on starships to be quite boring unless you really get along with your crewmates. What do they do all day? Depends on the ship but generally supply missions, science stuff, discovery stuff, diplomatic missions and escort missions maybe?
You know what this means, out of all the crew only Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman were the only survivors of the Votager Delta Quadrant journey. Thanks Kathy :P
damn, that's cool as hell! I have to go to Hulu now to rewatch this episode. What guts is that to welcome them on the Bridge and then just blow it up! Caption Janeway had guts!
-'Harry you've got five minutes. Get the baby.' -'But captain..!' -'MOVE IT, ENSIGN!! THAT'S AN ORDER!!!' Perfect scene, due the acting, score, dramatization, etc...
Picture this: you're having a decent day. Then you hear your Captain putting the Voyager in self-destruct mode. Suddenly your day goes from sugar to ****. And it was your turn to play on the Holodeck!! Oh, Well!
Well, here's what they are thinking about before they shrug it off. 1. They are 10s of thousands away from home and still a big unknown between the ship to home. 2. They are Starfleet officers and they will die as Starfleet officers if the captain deems it is the only option. 3. Vilians are boarding their ship to harvesting their organs and they can't escape. Surrendering is futile. I prefer the self-destruct on 3. :)
I wish the dialogue had been changed to: "When we make it back home, I'd be happy to face the music.", as opposed to "if we make it back home", to highlight the fact that the captain has zero doubts as to their success in that objective, and strengthens the scene as to how far she's willing to go to do it.
Imagine being on the bridge and the captain orders the self-destruct. You just have to stand there as she calibrates the exact cause of your death, the timeframe and the chances of you escaping the ship..... It's a grim responsibility!
Someone may want to rethink allowing Janeway alone to set auto destruct. What if she goes on a rampage and takes out the entire ship because the replicators don't make enough of that DAMNED COFFEE?!
She actually almost did destroy Voyager once because of coffee simply not being enough, lol. Flew it between two neutron stars just to make a point about stress. She don't fuck around.
How did Janeway not need a confirmation from another senior officer for Self Destruct? Every other Self Destruct has needed another senior officer's confirmation.
Paul Dixon battle was lost who had been boarded and the crew could not contain the intruders there may well be a sub routine in the self destruct sequence that if the ship is about to fall in to enemy hands only one code is required
I don't know, however in Nemesis something similar happens; in "Star Trek - Nemesis" Picard tries to selfdistruct the Enterprise-E, but unlike the "First Contact" movie there are no other officers who confirm the self distruct sequence.
It is a bit unusual. TOS Enterprise (and refit) required three to confirm auto destruct, the Enterprise-D required two, the Defiant required two, the Enterprise-E required three.
@Guidogregotti - It is possible since auto destruct was damaged and offline, it just stopped the captain early and did not continue with the confirmations.
Small vessels like "Voyager" only need the captain's authorization. There are two other episodes (both in VGR's 2nd season: "Dreadnought" and "Basics Part 1") where Janeway alone orders auto destruct. Some Trekkies grumble that the poorer quality the show, the fewer officers needed: "TOS" required 3 (CO, Science Officer and Chief Engineering Officer), "TNG" and "DS9" required the Captain and First Officer and "VGR" only required the Captain. When the TNG crew initiated auto destruct in "First Contact," it took the 3 ranking officers to activate, yet deactivating it only required Data inputting a command into an engineering console, overriding the authority of the ship's captain; I always grumble about that. I do find it clunky that auto destruct would require authorization from 3 officers, sometimes with bio metric verification, to prevent a ship from falling into enemy hands. On "TNG" it could only be initiated from Engineering and canceled from the Bridge. So if the ship is boarded and the captain is on the bridge, they can't blow the ship up because they're 35 decks above where they need to be.
All star fleet ships have explosive devices located at all vital ships systems to ensure that no enemy hands gains access to key Star fleet technology. And since Voyager was a new state of the art star ship, maybe star fleet considered that they didn't need the have an authorization code from the second in command to auto self destruct. Just a theory I had . A good episode non the less!
I'm too lazy to google it but my guess is that the larger ships at that time require a dual authorization. Maybe since it's an intrepid it just requires the single.
BreakingJohn Even the Defiant required dual authorization, and it was smaller than Voyager. My theory is that several commands are required in case the captain or another senior officer goes rogue and tries to activate the auto-destruct. But since Voyager's original First Officer was killed in the pilot episode, and Janeway didn't trust Chakotay enough to give him access, she kept the code for herself, and no other Starfleet officer onboard Voyager was senior staff.
The original XO of Voyager was killed during the encounter with the caretaker. at this point of the show, Chakotay wasn't fully trusted with command yet.
This is one of my fav scenes from Voyager. Kate Mulgrew is an epic actress to convey that emotion with only a look. Even the blah inhouse music score pulled it out the bag.
I should thank you for posting this amazing scene, but I'm really pissed that it's cut off. I want to see the crew welcome Harry and baby Wildman back.
I don't know if you have seen or bought Deadlock (the episode where this clip comes from) but fortunately for you, this indeed happen. When Harry comes throught the rift to the damaged Voyager, there are B'Elanna, Kes and Tuvok waiting for them. B'Elanna congratulates with Kim to be able to escape and arrive with Naomi Wildman, and later Tuvok calls Janeway to inform her that he and the child arrived.
This is one of my favourites. I remember watching this episode for the first time and shouting "F**K YOU!" at the screen as the vidiian ship got taken out! Also weird to think that both Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman are actually xeroxes of themselves from now on!
Outnumbered 2 to 1 Kim, an engineer, kills 2 They could lock down bulkheads and force the invaders to take specific paths. They can flood sections with gas. They can create choke points. They can use the transporters to disable enemy weapons Janeway decides to blow up the ship when the odds can be reversed even without including the crew from the other ship.
@Credithelper75 If you remember Voyager only had a skeleton crew. Chakotay is a high command officer but he didn't earn it through starfleet remember he was marquis. So he wouldn't have any self destruct commands. the next rank on that ship was Tuvak and he is a Lieutenant. There are no Lt. Commanders on Voyager. So Janeway would be the only one that could self-destruct. No one person should have that power but they were pulled against there will to the delta quadrant at the time being.
Kim then tells the other doctor "The doctor on my ship said he did something with the hemo something something. I dunno it was pretty crazy over there."
BOOM!!! Loved the end there where she calmly welcomes the aliens boarding the ship and then the guy happily shows them the clock ticking off to their doom!!!
Everyone on that bridge has ice water in their veins. If I realized I was about to get blasted to kingdom come in 5m, I'd probably be crapping my pants.
It's always been (Since TNG) that the Self Destruct requires authorization of the 2most senior command officers on the ship as decided by the computer. It may not recognize Chacotay or Torres as command officers for self destruct.. Tuvok was technically still "on assignment" when voyager was taken to the delta quadrant and thus his command level codes may not have been valid yet. So the computer may only require Janeway's at this point. That's always been how I viewed it anyway.
im guessing reason he didnt confirm is the original first officer died, and to change the computers around for a new first officer for something that serious probably had to be done by starfleet command to prevent certain thing.
he is not a prisoner at all, he was given a provisional rank and holds the commision for first officer just as much as any other starfleet officer would
