Stephen A. says Serena Williams was wrong for 2018 US Open controversy | First Take | ESPN 

Notoriously drunk New Yorkers. Rude af. Ever watch a Yankees/Sox game at Yankee Stadium?

@@brianbarrett192 must be a shit Sox fan if u bringing that up, any chance u guys get huh lmao😂

Quite likely

Heck the ladies speech to Serena at the ceremony. Heck the way she handed the trophy horrible

Serena's meltdown was ONLY because Osaka was going to win straight sets for the second time in a row.

Please tell me where I can purchase a race card? How much are they? Can I purchase them in store or online? I really need to know!! I can use it it the next time a Police officer attempts to kill another innocent black person, or the next time a racist white person calls the Police on us for doing nothing, like watering the lawn, going into their home, or simply picking up garbage in the area.

Callie Wooooooosh

Callie ... You just used it.

Callie Bruh, that only happens to black men. You are a black female. Stop saying “we”

@@Calandr28 You already have one from the looks of it

Welcome to modern day feminism where you wake up in the morning, throw logic out the window and go then on about your day.

Because she takes motherhood seriously, unlike the one who raised you .

You will never understand that because chlorophyll makes the leaves look green.

Serena sounds like a lunatic, period.

@@MoReal2 I take WWII seriously but I still wouldn't bring it up.

Facts

We still here in 2020😂

Yep*

The most real comment I’ve read 💯 💯 💯

Lol can’t hate on max for tryna provide for his family but Molly’s is an idiot. Gotta love Stephen A tho

this is why I hate SJWs. They're blind by their stupidity and ignorance.

You are a disgrace

@@naigh-naighwhy222 stupid ass kisser.

Didn't Stephen A Smith point out Serena Williams was wrong? So, why did you say "these people" are justifying her disgraceful act?

Her first punishment was just a warning. It was totally her fault for smashing her racket and calling names that resulted in a lost point and then game

And everyone who supports modern feminism goes with Serena

Because people who are knowledgeable in tennis know the rules. Serena broke the rules. Simple as that.

But the game was a little too much , every player does that , she’s the only that’s been penalized for it

In a finals*

Ricardo Rovira not true on both fronts. And again, that’s the rules.

And still the greatest😭

@mehrab hossain greatest

@@MichaelJohnson-mj4sn its tennis who gives af😂 and shes juiced to the gills with steroids and doesn't deserve the credit anyways

@mehrab hossain Greatest*

@mehrab hossain Greatest

there's literally a clip of the same ump (carlos ramos) giving Djokovic a warning for bouncing his racket off the court. There was no damage done to the racket at all. You cannot claim that he is a sexist.

@@angrychickengod3831 Another funny fact is that Serena is known for throwing tantrums for losing or making a misplay, breaking a lot of racquets in the process and she didn't get that many warnings from those. But like always, people talk as if this was her only match and as if what she said was the absolute truth.

spoiled brat, she was perfectly in the wrong there and she had to pull out the gender card to seem reasonable smfh

sara lincoln no, it wasn’t, all due respect Sara. You would have stated a strong case, it if wasn’t for the undeniable fact that this has been a systematic behaviour from Serena’s behalf when she has found herself against the ropes during a defining moment in a decisive US Open match. This was the third time in Serena’s U.S. Open career that she’s been losing a match late in the tournament and melted down in bizarre fashion, the previous ones being her 2009 SF against Clijsters, and the 2011 F against Stosur. Carlos Ramos wasn’t the chair umpire on those, and yet, the same exact thing occurred. Each time, it resulted in eventual defeat. Each time, it made her look like a sore loser and an entitled person. Each time, willingly or unwillingly, she eclipsed the feat of her opponents, who bested her fair and square. And each time, the race card, the misogyny card, the persecution card was used. There is no doubt that the tennis world did treat Venus and Serena with contempt and disdain, but that doesn’t justify Serena’s demeanour in all of the mentioned incidents.

sara lincoln bizarre fashion as in an odd manner or way. Nothing to do with wardrobe. In your mind, Serena’s behaviour was justified, and that is your opinion. I beg to differ, and let us agree to disagree.

@sara lincoln show us the receipts (and by receipts i mean confirmed links not your word)

Exactly!

Christian arce indeed

You here from espn story shown today

W What ya'll expec.... She from dah compton hood and ya can't take dat out

Your mum is a dosgrace

it has been a while since this happened, still this commen is spot on

Years later. This is still true. Serena's hissy fit took away the moment, the ump was just doing his job

Thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to express. Serina made it all about herself.

I have no respect for Serena, I'm tired of seeing her ads.. i'm tired of seeing her period. Shes a pos 'feminist' cause shes not a real feminist.

Yep. She won fair and square.

I'm like number 69!

Philip Greenaway we will never no

@@ImtiredofUok *Know

Naomi Osaka is (I think) the first Japanese woman to win a grand slam. That first set. Damn, that first set was amazing to watch just to see how good Osaka was.

Dom serena used the *race card* *mother card* *gender card*

yeah, she said he was 'unattractive inside'.. oh wait. No, she said she'd shove a ball down his throat...oh, uh.. wait...I'm getting my rants mixed up - there are just so many!

It’s funny that they never brought that up. The ref literally looked away 15 times when Serena was yelling apologize right now.

Totally agree

@@Centre14 ikr

Jammer Jen I think for what he was saying it’s valid though, he was saying because of all the things black tennis players go thru, he was extremely proud of her

Because there is a difference in Being Black and white, stupid leftist for always trying to deny that

Africans do not generally think of themselves in racial terms because all of their neighboring countries are black, everyone in the country is black, everyone has a tribal connection and a known history and everyone looks alike. As someone presumably smart enough to hold down a job and pass high school, think about why Black Americans would hold closer to a racial identity than Africans.

I agree with you about race for this conversation: irrelevant. But gender is being discussed here because Serena went there with Ramos, the umpire. Serena claimed that she was standing up for women tennis players everywhere, and Steven A is calling BS because Ramos has given men the exact same penalties for those same rule violations. I think the sexism card just popped into Serena's head and she went with it. If she were calmer and had it to do over again, I'd like to think she'd realize how foolish that was.

Qichar I get what u mean 100% but the comment I replied to said ‘ why bring race into this ‘. I just simply told him/her why Steven A brought it up

Because gender unhhnn😕

@@divyanshukumar2243 doesn't matter

Amen

@@pavlostsitsipas9579 but ... nvm you're too dumb

@sara lincoln Not that I think it changes much in this particular case, but where do I find these statistics?

this incident no doubt tarnished her legacy. i mean what parent would want their daughter to have such as sore loser as a role model ?

They have short memories or don’t watch tennis she always behaves like Th is us open 2009 she threatened to shove a ball down a line judges throat she’s a pathetic self entitled brat tbh

@@LordCaedus-bl7wi what did she do, didnt she pointed at a ref? I dont find that offensive

@@kleshayer3751 you can't actually be serious.

@@sanasdate3421 nba, football players do way worse this is a case of sexism dude

The greatest player of all time is Steph Graph, and no room for debate. The only one we would possibly be discussing would be Monica Seles, but we know what stopped it.

she did the same thing with Clusters. There is a pattern that when she is about to lose, she will create a scene

Osaka mopped the court with Serena. And Serena was clearly frustrated and angry about it. But I don't believe her extended antics and verbal abuse of the ump were a plan. She clearly lost control of her emotions, and her behavior showed this. She was not acting.

@@brianbarrett192 ​ Cause that woman is full of herself, shes pathetic. Serena is who I mean btw Osaka just seems like someone genuine who loves the sport and was playing against their idol.. I bet she isn't anymore. Edit - Eat me ESPN

Nope...

AColonDashSix lol, he thinks Serena is the best Tennis Player, he has no logic of Tennis.

at least McEnroe was able to take those penalties like a man

Hes just a poor white guy trying to keep his job.

@@fireballdude7368 I mean... she kinda is

I can tell from the comments. actually what Stephen was saying that's exactly what the public want to hear

Hussein Younes USO crowd wanted to hear something else

@@darkss6024 Ahha I understand, but the real Public in my perspective is here commenting on the video because anyone can access the video and comment, and after skimming through the comments more than 90 % not only agree with Stephen, also very mad about how rude Serena acted.

He makes a living down playing black athletes so ehh

@@husseinyounes4140 ah but in my view the real public now is the loud minority of the public that creates the story. The real public is here in the comment you’re right. But the real public doesn’t control the narrative or facts. Just the reaction

You too

TysonDoesStuff thanks that sums it up simply, first his Tiger Woods BS then this, does this guy actually watch the shit he comments on.

I will never trust that dew on anything now, even in boxing

Max, your an idiot!.. The "Ref/Judge" ruined the Win for the her?.. Really?!?.. It was Serena's fault the Win was ruined!.. Screaming and throwing a tantrum like a spoiled Brat... She ruined it!

Except the far left libtards that have absolutely no logic and have to view every black and female as victims.

Sebastien her fuckin initials are SJW 😂

Actually, she does give a shit! That's why she asked the crowd to stop booing, during the award ceremony. Now, I agree that it is Serena's actions that spoiled Naomi's great moment. Serena was wrong and is completely reprehensible. But what transpired between her and the umpire, took place during gameplay. And I'm sure Serena would've expected any reaction from the crowd to take place during the time of the incident, not the award ceremony.

Se

@@TheTmat007 wong ? when the chair umpire penalize coaching that was not the way ????? pffff I just think that you don't like her like some people because of her ski colour, because of her body, because of her wins. Just be honnest, you may have been frustrated when you try to find you serenity to win a game and some authority just sink you and find the right moment to make her loose.

@@danjul974 She has always behaved like this in the US Open. It's not like it was the first time and the umpire put a blemish on her spotless career. Say what you will she was getting killed on the court. Even if she had a good start to the second set Osaka came back quickly and would've won but its a hypothetical. She has abused tournament officials and linesmen before don't call it discrimination.

I'm his opinion. If it's a small thing like calling him a "thief" he could give her another chance. Not only for her but also for her opponent. Osaka has played a stunning game up to that point and she would have won anyway probably and this way it would have been a much greater victory. Now she has to be ashamed basically. And it's not about that veterans should be treated better but it's about not destroying an important game with millions of people watching. I think osaka, if asked, would have let it go herself.

@@jx4219 i agree with you but still serena started it. Look she was getting coached she shouldn't have reacted that much and acted like she was a saint she should have stayed calm but i guess she couldn't control her emotions as she was getting frustrated, Hence Serena Williams unknowingly took away Osakas greatest moment.

Abhishek Baba shut the fuck up it happened to steph curry when he threw his mouth piece

@@datboyrell2849 and so fucking what? Are you saying what she did is excused because someone else did something worst?

It’s not veterans he’s talking about, it’s stars. Superstars who transcend the game. And even though I don’t agree with his overall opinion, he’s right in that regard. At the end of the day, sports is entertainment. People pay to see the biggest stars in the biggest moments, not the officials.

Dude leave we love her

Black Mamba naw molly is getting pure annoying people are starting to dislike her

Black Mamba she’s trash, everyone hates her...keep dreaming

Black Mamba nigga YOU love her. She literally knows nothing about half the topics they speak on and is always budging In saying some cringe shit, then it’s just an awkward silence for 5 seconds because max and Stephen A know she don’t know what tf she talking about

the rule is the same for men and women but as with most if not all of these unsportsmanlike conduct violations they are not always enforced strictly to the tee. there have been many moments where raquets have been smashed and no penalty was given. so it is fair to point to that. still, SAS is in the right here for once. serena is entirely at fault for escalating the situation and making a whole scene of it, which she already has a record of doing. its extremely unprofessional, and thats exactly where she differs from the mens champions like federer, nadal or djokovic. if they get what they feel like is a BS call against them, theyll let the ump know, sure. but then theyll go back to playing tennis. serena has proven multiple times that she is either uncapable or simply unwilling to do that. no sympathy with her there.

Ref should have been fired!

@@4HBirtcher for adhering to the rules and being consistent amongst both genders?

@@Davechappelle445 How he refereed that tennis match and what he was doing to Serena is harassment/bullying! Even though what Serena did during the match was wrong still don't give the referee refers to the chair umpire the right to harass or bullying Serena!

@@4HBirtcher are you delusional? He just...didn't. He did his job and he did it correctly, and he treated her the same way he would a man. He was actually pretty calm. AND Serena has a tendency of throwing tantrums when she's losing important matches, you know why that's a violation of the rules? Not JUST because it's disrespecting the referee but ALSO because it can completely throw off the opponent's rhythm and how they're playing. Serena's behaviour was disgraceful and she deserved to lose, was outplayed by Naomi AND behaved like a child.

@@4HBirtcher bullying? Lol he was doing his job!

We also don‘t blame cops for stopping people who do illegal car races just because it would have made for an epic race

aF Kayzar thank you for mentioning the right question.

Melo Bryant nigga you don’t know nothing bout the ghetto so don’t step on a great girls hustle because she a bit hood shut the fuck up

@Melo Bryant lol while her display was inappropriate, there was nothing "ghetto" about the way she behaved. And what exactly do you consider as "ghetto". Not trying to play the race card but the only thing about her that would typically be associated as "ghetto" is her skin tone. But I'm not going to make accusations of you having a particular mindset...

@@jituscalc3215 Serena Williams is said to earn around £16m in endorsements yearly

Preach

Bruh

@@benjiii3407 woah calm down there!! That was a little too much!!

Just a random dude my bad. Really shouldn’t have said the n word. My bad

The guy on the right and the woman are idiotic.

@@Scallion_D I think the guy on the right is just trying keep his job Also the woman said she played tennis, obviously not good and never read the rules.

@@aaronmontgomery2055 yeah Max Kellerman is usually smarter than this he's just saying this cuz he ain't black

@@resurrectedpa yeah but thats even worse because that would make him a coward and a liar

@@JonathanGarza16 yeah true

Agreed except pay isn’t equal, men get payed a lot more in prize money; but for obvious reasons that year long tennis fans not casuals know about. etc: match length plus skill.

HeistGotFame - and the fact that Serena and venas got beat by the 203rd ranked man in the world

@@mymh8633 That's ridiculous to even mention. His highest ranking was in the 40s.

Speak brotha

@@heistgotfame-6952 wrong

ny_kia31 agreed

@@jorgeromeroii5277 What's a Barack Loser?

Wrong. The Umpire should have handled it much better. No need to giveaway a game, just a caution. Would he have done that to a Prime/intimidating Marat Safin? Hell no.

ny_kia31 he really is. That ref may have a stick up his ass and there’s retarded rules to tennis but Serena was out of line in accusing the dude of sexism when it’s clearly not the case. I still find it disgusting how a human reaction out of Serena prompts the actual racists and sexists to start calling her a gorilla and go “SEE. WOMAN ARE RUINING EVERYTHING”. It’s just an utter mess.

VERY RARE, YOU ARE CORRECT

LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Imagine some shit that didn’t happen.” “Now Imagine my argument makes sense.” “Because you’d have to live in the land of make believe to come to the conclusion that if we ignore something that is wrong sometimes it means we should do it all the time, or that one instance of ignorance somehow negates another instance of clarity.” Your argument is passive aggressive.

Ian Farris Passive aggressive? Lol, look at your comment, putting empty words of sarcasm in his mouth. Your projection is palpable. You know damn well the reaction would be _completely_ different, with the genders reversed. So here's a tip for you, sparky: Just because you don't like an argument that you have no rebuttal to doesn't mean you should speak and make a fool of yourself. Know when to spot a point you can't refute, and move along.

Ian Ferris - not passive aggressive...metaphorically wrinkle-free....

@@Repetoire You're the aggressive one Ian.

Double standers bitches

Serena hasn't done shit compared to Federer.

Male and Female Tennis are like different sports. You can't compare them

Serena is literally one of the worst tennis players in history when it comes to on court behavior while Federer is literally known for being well behaved. Obviously you don't watch Tennis. Whilst I agree Female Tennis and Male Tennis are very different, they are still the exact same sport. The actually game is practically the same thing, its just the style and intensity of the sport is far different

@@anubisgod23 Do they use slightly different raquets as well? I'm not sure but I think they might use different raquets (or is it balls)?

The racket** (not raquet) is the individual's choice. I imagine the females would PROBABLY tend to chose lighter ones, while men are probably more inclined to chose heavier ones. That being said, when I played I chose a lighter racket with a firm net for more power and less spin. So it is quite possibly purely up to the individual At the top level, ATP tours, men's tennis balls, I believe, are made slightly differently. I am not exactly certain on how they do this, but womens tennis balls go faster and glide in the air more. Men's tennis balls fluff up easier and tend to be slower. Yet they are the same size and weight, so how they accomplish this difference I am not sure. I think its to allow females like Serena to be able to serve at similar speeds to males. You'd have to look up the details on how they created this difference. would be interesting to see Other than that thay are the exact same. Same rules, same lines, same courts, same rackets, same balls (except above), womens tennis is just shorter (best of 3).

Exactly. Serena knew that she was probably going to lose, so she made this about the officiating.

No he’s not. He’s known to be inconsistent

Fuck u all sexiest fucks how can u say say that

@@JCole-fg3rr wtf

@@Juanfermandez_224 gtfo bro that umpire does that to everyone shes sensitive that she was losing she just had a baby all those emotions are showing up

Ramos didnt take shit, Serena did, by acting up she caused controversy to swirl around herself, and that was irresponsible enough, but that overshadowed such a huge victory for Osaka

100% correct couldn't have put it better myself. The weird thing is that, it all happened during a final. She caused such a scene and then the public followed. I can't believe she did this to Osaka, she should apologize not the umpire.

what if you break your racket on your coach while swearing at him

@@carolc9655 she needs to apologize to both, shoot she needs to apologize to everyone lol and people wonder why our schools are starting to fill up with more and more rebellious behavior. If u celebrate what Serena did and laud her as a hero, then the exact message we are sending to our children is that they too can "be a hero like her". We are encouraging bad behavior no matter how u try to spin it. Either its okay to yell at and ridicule an official that has authority, or its not. If kids are told to celebrate what Serena just did, then parents, teachers, and principals better celebrate when kids are "emotional and passionate" in the classroom while throwing a fit. I'm so sick of hearing her say that. It's her go to line when she acts like this and its not an excuse. I'm extremely passionate about my family, my career working with children, my favorite hobby of fishing, and I'm very competitive on the basketball court; but my "passion" never manifests like this. Its not "passion", it is emotion, but it is letting your emotions get the best of u and its wrong. If anything it reveals immaturity (at 36), entitlement, and emotional instability. We should not celebrate this or tell young ladies to look up to it.

@justkeepcasting Didn't players get DQ'd after 3 infractions back in the day?

@@SFO14 may have? I honestly don't really follow it anymore. Was a big Federer fan. But pro sports in general are just getting more like this across the board. Hard to watch.

Larry Williams nope.... ump should not decide a match, everybody knows this

Tijan What are you talking about? The umpire shouldn’t enforce the rules? You’re just taking a trite statement and somehow applying it to rules that determine how the game is played. If Tom Brady gets a penalty for crossing the line of scrimmage before making a pass should the refs just forget about the penalty because it might affect the game?

What match you watch go watch it again "berated him" do you know what that word means... PLEASEEEEEESE

Well, I know what it means.... And I quote (dictionary): Berate means----- to scold vehemently & at length, to rebuke, to reprimand, admonish, upbraid, take to task...etc. NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.. PLEASEEEEESE, INDEED.

Naomi Osaka decided that match by putting a whooping on Serena the entire time. Serena lost it because she was taking a beating and that is what triggered her tirade. She did the same thing when she was in the semi's a few years back losing to Kim Klijsters. She threatened to shove a ball down the officials throat and lost match point. It's become the Norm for Serena in big matches when she is getting outplayed.

and what does that have do the with the us open final

SHE IS NOT THE GOAT...Yep she said she would stuff that (&*&%&&**x) ball down a lines woman throat. Then she lied saying she never said that...it was caught by a court microphone and played later for all to see, guess she isn't a cheater but a liar? The real GOAT is Roger Federer, he would never cheat and NEVER LIE!

Radu Blanc Wrong. The same "guy in the chair" did similar to a male tennis player for slamming his racquet into the ground.

Radu Blanc if you keep yelling and insulting an empire into his face ,you are going to get punished no matter who you are. There is nothing personal about it.

John Johnson what does that have to do with this incident?

No because he is told what to say.

@@mitcho3820 that may be true.

he lost all street cred from his rapping days.

@Gee Gnome Project it was her THIRD VIOLATION. He didnt take the point away off top.

@Gee Gnome Project she was way more wrong. Those guys don't slander the ump and they don't get three code violations.. She did both those things.

He isn't white, he's a Jew.

Fade - white guilt

@@rogerlost5851 Jewish people have white skin.

Fade if he did not agree you would call the white guy a racist. He has a name asshole.

Actually it's because of the show. Max isn't the star so he has to argue for the most ridiculous positions while SAS gets the popular/better takes.

Fck her!

Santana H. What did she do to warrant that?

Santana H. Fuck you and serena, you bitch.

Who?

Excellent,. Excellent

Osaka will be just fine.

why? she won lol

@@82_derek44 but the crowd didn't treat it that way, they cheered for Serena and booed at Naomi

@@82_derek44 if you look up any articles about the match you'll find the first thing that comes up is all focused on Serena and not Naomi's victory.

Why are you feeling sorry for Osaka, she’s crying all the way to the bank

You said it. People need to take responsibility for their actions. Serena cost herself this game with the way she conducted herself.

Liberals never take responsibility for there actions.

Ramos annoying

The Fuzz you nazi couldn’t wait for Serena to lose damn devils

Nope, Ramos did. Serena knew she was not going to win. Especially when you get penalized for playing the game. Coaching is in every sport. When that infraction occured, she was on the opposite end of the court. It is apparent to me, you never won any sporting event, because If you did, you would know of what is like to compete, not to be a spectator, which you are. You watch too much TV, play the game. The umpire started this. McEnroe cussed at umpires, nothing happened, just like in every major sport. And he was not alone.

she thought he wouldn't go there. even threatening that he would never get a job as long as she plays wtf

Exactly! Umpire following rules, doing his job. He didn't just randomly give her a game penalty. She completely ruined Osakas crowning moment and barely even cared. Its always gotta be about Serena. Also pathetic people who would boo Osaka winning as well, scum.

Exactly. This is why I hate fandom. Her fans booed Osaka and the Umpire because they are sheep, blindly following their idol.

Richard Pei i said the same thing to one of my friends Serena Williams should have handled that with class and let her game speak for itself she could have came back she's Serena and in that type of a moment she's supposed to be the more well-mannered player but she cried like a baby talking about women rights and if she was a man this wouldn't happen. Give me a break Naomi wasn't throwing her racket on the ground and arguing with the judge talking about I need a referee oh please she played her game and deserve to win and Serena stoled Her Shine with that bullshit 😤 she did if somebody would have did that to her she would have said that was very unclassy of them and not a good look for tennis.

The usta president disagrees. It's her position that much worse is said in the men's game without it being a violation (warning point or otherwise)

Thinking the official that made the ruling that harassed the player is without fault... holy hell RU-vid comments are fucking dumb

The umpire made it about him!

TstormVA2012 No! Serena made it about her! Quote from the ESPN douche: “The umpire should have let it go” No! Serena should have let it go. She had already addressed the umpire previously about the call he made. There was no reason to go at him again at that point. She should have just did like ever other player and kept her composure and finished the game.

Totally agree. The umpire made the right calls -- good on Ramos for not making exceptions because he was dealing with a superstar in the person of Williams. The crowd and Williams are indeed the ones to blame.

no doubt

There was a choice. Sorry I watch tennis. A lot of it. You obviously dont along with a lot of people on these threads. Women are on court far less so there is your reason for those irrelevant statistics. Given the championship nature of the match, he could have said "Serena, if you dont let this go I will give you a third violation". The rules have been selectively applied. Its not about sexism. That's where she lost a lot of peoples respect. She was victim to unfair umpiring but it had nothing to do with gender. Violation 1: I literally saw coverage of Sasha coaching Naomi. All of them do it so this ruling needs serious readdressing as you can't just give a violation if the ump sees it which is what obviously happened. Ramos saw Patrick do it but not Sasha...so how is that fair? Ruling needs to be examined immediately. If an umpire cannot surveillance it then the coaching from the stands should just be allowed. Saying Ramos was "within his means to implement the ruling" is a total copout. Its discriminatory to implement it to one person and not the other. Thats final. Violation 2: Serena was under the impression Violation 1 was a unofficial warning not a violation. She absolutely deserved this violation as it is fair across the board but the breakdown in communication between Ramos and Serena meant she didn't understand that this would be Violation 2 not Violation 1. Violation 3: She mentally spiralled. As would most players in the situation. That was not verbal abuse. That was tame love. The pretentiousness of the world continues to amaze me. "A thief"...verbal abuse? LMAO. Ramos abused his power and threw out violations like he was throwing candy to kids on Halloween. Both players are the victims. The integrity of the match (A GRAND SLAM FINAL) was diminished the moment his authority complex came the centre of the match. He job is to maintain order and let the tennis be what decides the outcome of the match. He tweaked and selectively applied rulings. People are becoming so diverted by the sexism claims but it should be about how to implement rulings fairly. Not about the sexism bullshit. Naomi Osaka won the 2018 US Open fair and square and what a wonderful human being she is but both players were robbed of the moment.

a h Your argument is completely invalid. 1) Men were given 4x as many violations as women. They are only on the court for 66% longer and there are 128 participants for both sexes. That clearly shows the men were called out WAY more than the women. 2) Rules are rules. The referee has no need to give a "warning" about giving a third violation. This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't. Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals. 3) The undeserved leniency you see in other sports does not apply to tennis. In baseball, basketball, etc. you can get away with talking because nobody can hear. In tennis though? You have a GIANT MICROPHONE broadcasting every word you are saying, and the crowd is SILENT by rule. The game is completely stopped, your words are the only thing going on, and you're defaming a man's integrity to the entire world. Overall: I agree with SAS. Serena is the greatest female tennis player, but she has a history of terrible attitudes and she's getting rightly punished for it.

@a h You should be a lawyer. You've got the finessing the BS part down pat. Definitely NOT good with the math, though.

jyashin 1) Did you even read my response about me believing this has nothing to do with gender? Yet you continue to compare men and women lol. Your the one caught up with the sexism viewpoint. My argument is that UMPIRING across the board is inconsistent. Nothing to do with men or women. So once again, your statistics regarding male vs female 2) "Rules are rules". Absolute copout. Rules are there to ensure fair play. This is not occurring. Again, actually read what I wrote. "This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't" - Again, read what I wrote. This is exactly what he did. In reference to this match, Osaka got the exact same coaching from Sasha as Serena did Patrick. ONLY ONE PLAYER WAS GIVEN A VIOLATION. I swear it's like talking to a kindergarden student with you. "Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals" - People of the highest regard often make misjudgements. That is what happened here. He did not use his discretion adequately. Again, diminishing the integrity of the final. 3) His integrity should be questioned. It's 2018 mate. Everyone is accountable for their decisions and so is he. Just like Serena is to the backlash she is receiving. She wrongly made this about sexism. I do not believe Ramos was sexist is any way. I believe Ramos applied a ruling to one and not the other as you so deny. This is wrong. Especially in a GS Final. His decisions were damning. We will have to agree to disagree as you are clearly uneducated in the tennis field.

MrVpassenheim The maths comparing men and women violations are irrelevant as I clearly stated that I believe no sexism occurred. Are all you people severely uneducated or something? That was my only criticism to Serena, making this about gender and not about the selective nature of the rulings themselves. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEEN A WOMAN. THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SELECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF RULINGS. Please read my response before saying nonsense.

If Max said all of that he would have been called a racist, and anti feminist then some black athletes would have said they were not appearing on ESPN until Max is gone.

First guy..all I heard was yelling....second guy that spoke, more professional.

He's a Moron !

He is a certified asshole

Lol @ “first guy and second guy” You don’t know who Stephen A and Kellerman? Lmao you probably ended up here just looking for “Poor Serena” material.

@@scottdenja6896 the ump wasn't wrong. The top umpires in the tennis fraternity have said it was totally within his rights to make those calls.

But it's still incredibly annoying and questionable when a cop gives a speeding ticket for driving 1 mph above the limit.

Comethawk yeah I think it’s like $29 dollars for going over 1

he gives you a ticket when u 1st deny it..then call him a liar..and then ask him for a apology..ur lucky if he doesnt drag ur ass out of the car and books you.

Annoying? Yes! Questionable? Hell no! The cop is just doing his job.

EXACTLY! It's a logic I don't follow "everyone is getting away with it"

🌟Equality,🌟

@@sehapoul7097 more like superiority.

EXACTLY OMG CRINGE AF

she's too rich to feel shame

She was acting like an entitled princess 👸 "where is my apology. "

@@MrBjorn6 Serena knew she wouldn't win the match so she created a big Controversy to take away the stage from Osaka.

Christian arce I agree

Bio

Steriods-Serena is a sore loser.

Lmao guess you hate the truth. She's a sore loser.

Why won't anyone just say it, serena was just exerting her black privilege. Apparently she's worth 180 million dollars, guess it's true what they say, money can't buy class.

And Sergio please stop or at least make it funny eh?

Mark Van Laren No one is saying Osaka did not play a better game, its not about that, Serena can,t win them all, after all, she is 37 years old.

This comment is like saying "Ramos is at fault here? Oh please, give you head a shake. The sky is blue" yeah, the sky is blue, everybody knows that, and it has nothing to do with the conversation

Blame you too you bitch

Of course it wasn't his fault. In fact, I think he was very calm and waited until the very last moment. With me she had received the penalty way way before. The ref is like a cop, you can't just call him liar and thief and Sexist..... she is such a loser....

Elwilton Eligon...Did you not listen to what the first commentator was saying? This is not a Ramos issue this is a Serena problem. That's the conversation.

@sara lincoln wrong. He's won awards and kudos

Exactly

Lol

Ray Ray 🤦🏾‍♂️😂😂

Ray Ray most of these “woke” folks need to take their ass back to sleep. They sound so self-righteous, pretentious, and whiny.

How the fuck is he woke just because he recognizes sexism? Trust me,hes not TRULY WOKE!! People throw that woke shit around when they have no God damn clue what being woke really is!!GTFOH

Serena is like Connors and McEnroe back in the day and more recent times, Andy Roddick. Entitled brats. It's always the Americans.

....they only understand "can't be saved by the bell".

You cannot be a professional victim if you are following the rules. haaaaa.....

but she is a black woman! So the rules dont apply to her! So there!

Anonymous , thanks for clarifying that for all these idiots that just can’t seem to get a clue👍🏼❗️

Anonymous j

Who is this POS, milk toast, white boy, liberal ESPN commentator on this panel? This is the direction ESPN has taken in the last few years and why I don't watch ESPN anymore. He probably gives his kids participation awards and doesn't allow score keeping at the games. EDIT: I finished watching and Steven put it in his face. If that fellow commentator in this conversation is what ESPN stands for, this company has gone even further over the edge than I previously thought. THE RULES DON'T MATTER IF THE MOMENT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH??????? Give me a break!!!! I stand by my earlier comment - he is a weak POS, liberal turd of no moral character.

Riddikulus shut the fuck up same thing when curry threw his mouth piece and stayed in the game

Kellerman isn't white, he's a Jew.

But Serena's integrity was being questioned, as well. I do not like Serena's meltdown. I do not like that Serena used the sexism thing. BUT I do understand her being upset for being called a cheater and a liar. THAT'S the problem I have. If she had kept her argument THERE, I wouldn't have had a problem with her so much. I loved John McEnroe BECAUSE of his meltdowns (which is surprising because I tend to turn my nose up and such behavior), but it was just something about him that intrigued me. That's not to say that I'm not in agreement that there should be punishment for the bad behavior. But again, DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR OR A CHEATER! I'm neither of those things and I would have to really find the strength to not come undone if you accuse me of lying and cheating.

I also don't like that Serena's antics overshadowed Osaka's victory.

No. She was penalized cuz her coaches in the box WERE cheating by sending her signals. Nobody questioned HER integrity, but her box is an extension of her. She got two warnings for that, then a point bc of the racket smash, then a game bc of berating and trying to intimidate the ref. She knows all of these rules and felt above them. She is hard to root for, which sux bc she is the best American female athlete of all time.

Lolita Brown Serena was NOT called a liar or a cheat(er). It was Serena who accused Carlos Ramos of saying that she is a liar and a cheat(er)! The umpire simply stated that coaching was taking place between Serena and her coach. Her coach has admitted it. If you look closely at the video of her coach coaching her, he gives her hand signals, and then gives her an „OK, understood ?“ nod. Clearly they were in visual contact with each other, and signals were given. So, 1) Illegal coaching DID take place and 2) Nobody called Serena liar or a cheat, those were HER words.

it's blatant stupidity lead by emotion and making judgement calls based on a book cover

Dude was talking about baseball taking second base yawnnnn

@Ali Polaris Lmao, butthurt much?

@Ali Polaris you are an idiot.

Took everything away from osakas moment!

Ali Polaris austaralia just gonna put that there Osaka won

Ali Polaris Australia Osaka won there

Because the issue caused by Serena are bigger talking points... yes Osaka should have been given more credit but Serena's selfishness has made this impossible.

I completely understand but the media needs to quit talking about it way too much because in reality of things, Osaka played a better match. Yes Serena had the ability to come back but we will never know, only thing's for sure is that Osaka beat Serena and it was well deserved title for Osaka. They should just mention that a little bit more.

@@dantiongson3014 it is a shocking victory

They can’t talk about her cuz the umpire didn’t allow her to win with points (which I think she was going to do).

@@Danwura how ?