The 2024 Acura Integra Type S Has ONE Big Problem... 

What car would you buy for 50K?

In summary, dealer markups should be considered a criminal offense.

For $52k, there are so many options, it's crazy. Low mileage M2's, Mk5 Supras, and just below BMW M340i and Audi S4 starting MSRP. It's a hard justification compared to the RWD and AWD offerings right in that price range.

You hit the nail on the head. The price is the biggest downfall to the integra type s…and you’re 100% right. It’s just sad. I wanted one so bad until I realized I can get so much more for the money elsewhere.

Agreed, the price is ridiculous. Could easily get a gently used, very good condition previous generation BMW M2 with a manual for the same price. Heck, you could even get a brand new base M240i for a few grand more! I mean, why not go for a Genesis G70? You could get AWD and their twin turbo V6 for that price, with a TON of luxury features... Nevermind the slew of other cars in this price range. No way in hell would I ever consider this car, and I grew up loving the Honda/Acura scene in the 90's!

The Civic Type R should be priced around $38,000 and the Integra Type S should be about $42,000. They would sell a ton of them. Rather than making them limited production, make as many as people will purchase. Nobody cares exclusivity.

The price is really crazy when you consider that the fun, light and manual transmission Civic Si starts at 28K USD.

I whole heartedly agree with you. Can you make a video of the different $50k+ options you would chose over the type s? I would really appreciate your input.

Just right away the 2023 M240I x drive starts at $50,900 makes the price of the Integra even more mind boggling. I would have the BMW no question.

51k for about 300 hp and fwd is a lot to ask already before dealer mark up. I understand that the car this is based on (civic type r) is one of the best handling/fastest fwd car in existence today, but @ that price, there’s just so much more to be had from other offerings.

When I read the title of this vid, price was the only thing that came to mind. I was never under the illusion that the Integra was going to be a 2 door coupe, (that ship sailed when the 11th gen Civic released as 4 door sedan or hatchback only) and I like the way it looks and performance is as expected for the HP/TQ numbers. To me it's simply a way to get all the things that should have at least been optional on the Si. I mean the Si and Integra are both sold in Canada, yet they can get all the missing things on their Si without hurting Integra sales? But all that aside, getting the Integra we all want (type S) is far too expensive...and I'm right there with you because my mind also goes directly to "what else could I get for this price?" once a car crosses the $40k threshold...and I'm not sure anything based on the Civic would make the cut, even with the Acura badge. I have a similar issue with the GR Corolla, but at least that car doesn't truly share much with it's namesake normal hatchback..and it's mostly hand built in the same factory that did the LFA. That helps the psyche barrier a bit, but the Integra truly is a Civic Si/Type R with different front and rear styling and a few extra luxe features you can't get in the equivalent Honda...that's truly it. I'm pretty sure they even share an assembly line until it reaches a certain stage, but I could be wrong. Add borderline criminal dealership "market adjustments" and I'm adjusted right out of the market for a car I otherwise like a lot. Guess there are enough people out there willing to pay insane prices or Honda wouldn't do it...but I think that ends soon with our wonderful "progressive" government totally trashing our economy beyond any quick fixes.🙄

50k... Let's say without markup... I've read one of the comments below an interresting choice: a used GT350. And that made me think, yes, this choice would be on top on my list... If it has to be new, I would go either for a "Regular" Mustang GT, GR Corolla or a Type R. Great Video!

imagine a dealer even wanting to mark up this car. id be surprised if it sells just at its starting price 🥱

Couldn't agree more. The integra is supposed to be accessible and affordable. The people that can afford a $52K plus markup car have soo many other options with more power or more luxury

Yes I agree totally, I was hoping that'll look more sporty and slimmer or more aerodynamic than looking like a regular community coupe.

Cool vid! Hey what’s is that beeping sound while he was shifting gears is that a mod or something

Great video! No way I’d pay 52-60k for an Integra. Having just purchased two Lexus vehicles, I’d rather go for a IS350 or an IS500 F. We almost bought the IS350 recently but decided on the ES350 for the room and the ride. About to trade the ES on a LC500 convertible though.

And when sales are terrible they'll blame it on being a manual shift. Not that it's 4 doors, overpriced, and all around terrible. Good job Acura/Honda 👎🏻

Your overall review and comparisons towards the other cars in the market are so spot on David. I specifically like how you brought up the Z and the Manual MK5 . Because the Z was also very overhyped and overpriced. I think the previous years used market is what’s gunna thrive way better then these BRAND NEW 48+K cars + dealer markup which is Totally a fraud to all who buy and purchase. Great video 🤙🤙

Nice very interesting video ! 😮

CT4 V Blackwing starting price is $58k. They’re completely out gunned in this price bracket.

$50k? C6 Z06 + LS7 valve train reliability upgrades, cam, exhaust, suspension, clutch, tires, and some interior/exterior cosmetics. Absolute weapon that would sound and look so good.

I am keeping my 1997 Honda Del Si. It runs and looks great. It is very dependable. People are growing broke buying cars. I love what I got!

This might've been worth it if it came with SH-AWD and/or a DCT. But at 50k, just get a Golf R or used RS3.

In my opinion the reason for the price has largely to do with how much dealers are getting for the civic type R. If people stopped paying the markups, then the manufacturers would price their cars more affordably. Other cars to consider...you can get a 2023 BMW M240i rwd with premium option package and cooling package for 53K. No dealer markup.

As a honda guy myself I thought about getting a tlx type s. Needing something bigger than my 10th gen sport. But I ended up getting a 23 k5 gt 2.5t. Price was cheaper and working at kia they gave me a higher price for the civic than anyone else would. End of the day I'm happy with it. 42k out the door with almost 300hp and over 300 trq and also fully loaded. Miss my honda but im happy with the k5. It's a sexy looking car also

Anytime a $50k budget for a car comes up, I say 2013-2016 Audi RS5. They're in the ~$30k range, you could even buy a second car , $15k-$20k ,within that 50k budget.

I’d probably get a 2022+ Genesis G70 3.3T with the sport prestige package. For under 40,000 I’d get the new Elantra N.

As a big 90s Honda guy for 51k Id buy the GR86 of new cars. Then still have money left for mods and/or another 90s Honda.

That best manual is what makes me want this and it’s ability to do everything as a daily

Just have faith. I’m not an Acura guy but I am a dodge fan. And I learned to love the 4 door charger. I own a 2019 RT so it takes time.

Too expensive is right. The first number needed to be a 4, even if it was $49,995. When I saw the improved styling over the base IntegraI was really thrilled and seriously thinking I would want to see it in person and possibly buy one. $52K put a serious damper on that.

For $51K I’d take my Shelby GT350 that I just picked up

Perfect review

Also crazy to think that when the acura rsx type s released in 2001, it was priced at 23k.

I’d buy the TLX Type S for a few grand more.

I’m sure someone else has pointed it out but if you adjust the msrp of the 97 integra type r for inflation it’s only about 2-3k more expensive for the new one.

I was in the market recently and having Supra’s and and corvette and other stuff on that price range over marked up I ended up with a S4 premium with no mark up and for 5k below msrp😊

Hey David! So, like you I also have a 2013 supercharged mustang 5.0, billet oil pump, pumped up fuel rails, fuel pump, injectors, E85 pushing 727 RWH… then I moved from AZ -> CO. The mustang isn’t a snow car as we well know lol. I had to go with a limited trim 2023 WRX. It’s snow ready AWD and was a no brainer in my particular situation. Thing still cost 42k because I threw the smorgasbord of options at it lol. You know the new 2.4 engine does not put out more HP than the last model, but is more robust and more responsive to tuning… I hope I made the right decision. As for the other 10k (what would I buy for 52k) I’m going to upgrade of course lol.

I’d buy the integra just to be different. I had a 08 G35 sedan that I sold to my mom and I got a 06 M35 I’m modifying. It’s nice to be different. But if I had $50k or so to spend, I have 2 thoughts on it. If I could modify the car, I’ll take the Z. I’m a Nissan tech so I’d appreciate having the database and whatnot at my fingertips while I’m messing with it. And I’m a tad hit Nissan biased 😅 If it had to remain stock, I’d take the Mk5 Supra 6 speed. I was shocked how well the auto handled, which makes me wanna experience the manual.

$55,000 with options. It’s too close in pricing to the Tlx.

I have an 18 RLX Sport Hybrid with 377hp/341tq, 7DCT, sh-awd, and always 27-32 mpgs. The RLX suspension is too soft for my liking; but, the power, mpgs, Krell audio, hybrid tech, and cabin space was hard to give up for the spoitier/smaller TLX Type-S or the Integra Type-S.

Personally I’m looking to get a used GT350 for around $55,000-$60,000, as it seems like one of the best performance to dollar cars out there right now, and that 5.2 V8 that revs to 8250 rpm is 😙🤌🏼

Totally agree! $50k + is a lot of money for an integra.

I loved the ITS initially. After the hype and now with the absurd pricing, I'm falling out of love with it. I think the biggest thing is those tacked on fenders. I get they're actually not tacked on, but they look it. Unlike the CTR that molds the wide fenders into the body and looks seamless, the ITS looks like they slapped on a Chinese bodykit and sent it.

This isn't exclusive to Acura, every car has this problem. Civic type R already runs close to mid 40s. No way the Type S would be in striking distance in price considering how much nicer it is.

I hate dealer markups. My dream car right now to drive is just an Si, but in Virginia they are still marking up around 10k. I bought an 11th gen EX Hatchback for the time being since it had minimal markup and is a super practical car to own. Hope one day to drive a manual but will wait for the markups to fade away.

So sad to see the entry prices so high for integras. I had a 96 GSR and they were only slightly more expensive than a high trim level civic. Seeing 51K for a type S is a no-go and as much as I would love to get one just seems to high of a price for admission back into the Acura family.

Here for the 80k stealership markups

Looks good. Just wish they wouldn't call it an Integra

I've had the 2023 integra A-spec with the 6mt for like 6 months now. I totally disgree. This car has been fantastic every second that I drive it. Also the price was amazing, better than any luxury competitor. I paid MSRP for my integra, no markup. These cars also have some of the best residual values which make them an excellent buy. I also think the Acura is worth the price upgrade from the civic if you're accustomed to luxury features. The speaker system is one of my favorite parts.

honestly i’m just rocking my RSX Type S. for a 20 year old car, she still sends beautifully.

Side note, I saw a new type r on the road and did a roll race with him, they are pretty quick and look absolutely amazing. For 51k I would get a used zl1, or maybe a c6 zo6. If I had to get something new an s650 mustang gt. The integeras looks like regular traffic, most of the time I see one I don’t even realize it until minutes later. I would much rather get the tlx type s if I had to choose between the two.

Trouble is there's enough people who will pay it! Especially if it's going to be in limited supply! I remember when the NSX type s came out everybody said who the hells going to buy it. That was sold out before it went on sale! There's plenty of people who won't care how much it costs, if they want it they'll buy it. It's just a shame for the rest of us 😢.

We need cheap two door liftbacks to be brought back. I’m still driving my manual 1997 Celica liftback. Yeah it isn’t fast but I like driving it. I learned to drive in this car. And I’m considering modding it when the 7afe engine finally kicks the can. If that finally happens…

I kept telling you guys what the market was like 🤷 my 11 year old Buick Lacrosse (low volume trim, all interior stuff and pre-dated Regal GS suspension) was over 50K OTD. For 280hp at 4100lbs. It's luxury sedans in general. I know having enthusiastic high hopes about stuff and all, but I knew it wasn't going to be a coupe. There is no place for one to be honest. It would be niche in comparison to what this will sell post launch.

For 51k Id lean C7 grand sport or M2 Comp

I’m sorry but anyone who thought this was going to be less than 50k was smoking something

After driving the first integra and then hearing about how they came out with the type s version I really wish they would have but the 6cylinder engine from the TLX in there then the price is justified.

I got offered an allocation for $5k over.... I put in my deposit. but then thought about it and I hated the fact that this car is almost $60k,. took my deposit back and instead went and got an M3. very happy

I like it tbh

It’s crazy how this fake circlejerk Honda/Acura fanbase expected the BASE Integra to be a hotboi DC2/DC5 couple when (BASE) 4 door Integras existed since forever. Hell the ORIGINAL DA Integra came as a 4 door hatchback. Point is they don’t make base models for enthusiasts, base Integras have always been fancied up Civics.

Corvette went from front engine to mid engine it's been 3 years and i have not seen anyone complain about it.

I am a car enthusiast. I put way too much money into the car I have now (F56 MINI) in modifications plus I have a 2 year old daughter now. I need a 4 door car that’s moderately fast and fun to drive and preferably a manual. This car checks all the boxes as far as I’m concerned. I wanted a 3.0 Supra but this is more practical and less expensive. People can knit pick over small things like it not having a sunroof but I happen to not like sunroofs, so that doesn’t bother me. Also, even though it’s MSRP is more than what most people were thinking it would be, it gives dealers less room for markup. I happen to live near a dealer that does not markup at all. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but most people would say this car is gorgeous. It will definitely be a head turner. I’m on the list for one when they come out and I cannot wait to get my hands on one! People act like FWD is awful but how many of you actually utilize the advantages that RWD or AWD have while in your 330i on your daily work commute? I will try as hard as I can not to modify this car when I get it… but if I did, the possibilities are endless. Idk why someone would get a 3 cyl GR Corolla over this other than the fact that the Corolla is cheaper. I think this competes very closely with the Alfa Romeo Giulia, which I was interested in. (I bought my wife a Stelvio) But I don’t hear people saying the Giulia is overpriced. The Integra Type S is winning me over because it has a manual. I think the price gap between this car and the Civic Type R is just right. If this was 48K it would only be a few thousand dollars more than a fully optioned Type R. But with all that said, I am not trying to convince anyone that this car is worth it or for them. I think I’m number 8 on the list for one of these at my local dealer, but I won’t complain if I move up the list!

I think the 11th gen Civic resembles the DC2 with a JDM front-end styling-wise more than the current integra.

I would consider a type S at $47k- I already have the A spec and its everything the civic Si should be given honda dealers mark them up to the point of integra pricing anyways, but $52k is a tough pill to swallow, especially since my standard a spec has 95% of the interior features anyways lol for $36.5k I will say though the exhaust alone makes this more appealing than the Fl5 to me (its too quiet) and the flares are gonna be pretty sick. also the FL5 is too stiff for normal street driving, and the Integra should be softer where it counts

I still want to buy it. I had a integra, currently have a dc5 just need a dc2 and one of these

When you first mentioned price in this video, I immediately had flashbacks of the reintroduction of the NSX, when they compared pricing to that of its competitors…. Here we go again… 🤦🏻‍♂️

I may be an idiot but I bought the new Z, with a markup. Honestly though, I don't regret it one bit. I love my car! I test drove the manual Supra too and you're right, it's definitely more car for the money. BUT, it feels like I'm sitting in a BMW not a Japanese sports car. Also, the wind buffeting really killed it for me. It gets SO bad.

This Type S is freaking sweet. I’d personally get a Type R, but the weight penalty for the Type S is like 40 lbs and it is probably the best car for 98% of the market. It looks good!

At LEAST 10K mark up! My L34 SR VC Turbo doesn't even compare but still got marked up 5k mostly because rarity so

100%. At that price range especially the markup at release, just so many more options. M240i, M2, M340i, A91 Supra, the new Z... The list goes on. Now if I were still in my teens or 20's and really wanted it, then maybe. But again, not a lot of people in that age bracket don't have 60k to toss around. We were driving DC2 and DC5 Integras when I was in high school in the mid-2000's and those were actually affordable. Now in my 30's I just bought a X3M to replace my M40i. Can't imagine spending that amount of money for a FWD pseudo-luxury car. The Type-S needs to be 10-15k cheaper to appeal to their target demographic. Your comment about the Type-S by default, having to be more expensive than the Type-R is 100% accurate as well. It's one of the reasons they killed off the DC5 because it was cannibalizing Civic sales. Probably the same reason Audi will never make a RSQ5(only SQ5) because it would cannibalize Macan GTS sales.

Personally, I'm interested in the ITS, however i think you present a valid point. $50K is a lot to shell out for a compact luxury sporty car. I hope Acura really markets this as more than just a "luxury Civic Type R" and really differentiates it properly. Otherwise, I'll probably wind up with Supra, IS500, used M2 or just go cheaper and buy a 2024 Elantra N now that they've fixed that disgusting face the original one had and tune it.

the latest IS350 is very nice and starts @45k

Your thoughts on the whole Integra launch up until now is exactly the same as mine. I also have an issue with the Integra being $7-8k more than a CTR. So what would I buy NEW for $52k? Ehh, maybe the Lexus is350 F sport or a Cadilla CT5-V.

I saw a guy in 4 door dc2 hitting the corners the other day on a twisty road, shame we going the opposite direction

Honda/Acura is lucky that they don’t have any competitor like old Mitsubishi or or subaru anymore man ://

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No one talks reliability... have fun fixing those German and Italian cars when the warranty is up. I'd pay the $50k for the piece of mind that it will last 10 years.

David, you’re looking at the Integra with nostalgia-colored glasses. I owned an original Integra. They were average looking cars. The volume seller was the four door model.

Although the charger did get some help with a challenger coming out as well so u got to decide which one you would want a 2 door or 4 door “charger” challenger. If they did a 2 door Acura integra with this i think people would like it better

FL5 Owner, just got one of the reservations for the Tiger Eye Type S, I'm actually really excited- I wish the Integra had the manual seats of the Type R, but basically you're paying for the looks, which MAN does that look like a beautiful car. There are some cars for sure in the 50k price range, but I still think the Integra competes well here. Basically you're buying a bullet proof engine, with track ready capabilities. Not just straight line performance The Acura also sounds way better then the FL5 from factory it seems. Which is really the only department the FL5 lacks. Drive a FL5 Type R on a bendy road, then it'll all make sense.

I've always disagreed with everyone saying that the CTR should be AWD, but in this case with that price, I think offering AWD on the intergra would make sense, I mean with Acura offering SH-AWD on almost all their models, Acura buyers have kind of come to expect that as an option at least

Used to have an Integra GSR and I love this Type S but new sporty Hondas/Toyotas are getting ridiculous. This is why the sporty Hyundai Kia stuff is starting to make sense.

I would like to get the Type S but it's going to be impossible with the dealer markups. The type R are going for 65K to 80k.

Well at this point you can get a base C8 for just over 60k which is what a dealer marked up and decently optioned type S would cost. I would go C8 all day

A Q50 Red Sport is priced similarly at MSRP and imo is a much more fun platform

I'd like to see a video of you comparing car culture. West coast vs east coast and which is better. Seem like west coast just sucks now. Honorable mentions I think are Texas and Tennessee.

Does the dash cluster have the same mode as the civic type R? With the shift lights and what not?

I think the estimated $48k for Integra Type-S seemed more of an appropriate price. If you can get that with no dealer markups, it make a bit more sense to get one over the CTR.

I completely agreed with you.

Why I went with the 22 WRX, AWD, 270ish hp, bought at invoice for the premium trim with upgraded sound at around 33k. Plus you get heated seats lol Apple car play except blind spot assist and adaptive cruise. I wanted the type r and possibly the type s integra. But not in my blood to spend over $35k for a car, especially one that ranges 45-60k based off an ol civic. I would only buy at msrp for type r/s.

I love my 17 ILX….feels more like a modern integra with its k24 and 8 speed DCT

I would get a used S550 Mach 1 I got a new 22 Mach 1 Premium in March and I love it.

They had 4 door integra's before. My ex had one. Came with the b18b I believe in it (non VTEC)

As someone who works for Honda and have seen the development of the Type-S, it’s is an amazing car. However, the dealerships will kill this thing with the markups.

The ITS is going to be mass produced in Ohio, unlike the CTR which is produced in Japan. My local Acura dealer said the ITS will not be marked up because there will be a much greater inventory as opposed to the CTR. Makes sense. $52k isn’t cheap, but this is the new reality we live in now. EVERYTHING has become considerably more expensive since Covid hit supply chains and reduced the labor force. The ITS is going to turn a lot more head than a 2 series, G70 , Golf R or Audi S3. Not to mention it’s going to be way more reliable and hold its value better than any of those cars. I bet when you do a cost of ownership analysis, the ITS is going to be less expensive to own than any of those cars.

That’s out of my league my 9.5 accord will do for now. I haven’t seen a car (new) that i would buy

Truth! Completely true!!

If you buy new and switch every few years, u have lots of options... But not if you wanna keep it 200-300k miles. If you want a fun manual, that looks great, thats totally practical, and dont need awd, (fwd w/ lsd is just fine for most in snow), and can last 200k to 300k... There is only the gr corolla, type r, and idk if a golf will give u the same reliability...