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The Best DPS Hunter Build Includes An Unexpected Item And Doesn't Use Its Passive! 

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Looking at the new best SMITE Season 6 DPS hunter build both for crit and pen/attack speed. The stats here are based on ImpishCoconut's calculations and lead to some very unexpected results.
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@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
There are a lot of questions regarding replacing items in the comments, so I'll try my best to answer the most common ones. First of all, again, a ton more information can be found here in ImpishCoconut's thread: www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/avunp1/63_pts_hunter_top_damage_build_spreadsheets/ - Especially if you have questions regarding how specific gods work with this build, you can find out there. 1) Is this only for hunters with steroids/attack speed buffs? - No. As I said in the video, it's even the highest DPS build for gods like Hou Yi who don't have that. 2) What about Transcendence? - One condition for this build was to have 1 Lifesteal item. If you don't want that, swap Bloodforge for Transcendence for higher DPS. Also, build it earlier. 3) What if I want more lifesteal? - Swap Bloodforge for Devourer's Gauntlet. Minor DPS loss, drastic lifesteal increase. Also, build it earlier. Keep in mind that this build doesn't synergize as well with lifesteal as a crit build, as a decent amount of damage comes from Qins and Odysseus' Bow procs which don't factor towards lifesteal. 4) What if I want more ability damage? - Swap Odysseus' Bow for The Crusher and build it before Executioner. Pretty much the same single-target DPS, more ability damage. 5) What if I want crit? - See crit section of the video 6) What if I want more earlygame ability damage? - Build Warrior Tabi and swap it for Ninja Tabi (or something else) in lategame. 7) What if I have a personal vendetta against Silverbranch and never want to build it? - Put both Crusher and Odysseus' Bow in the build instead. It's as close as you can get. 8) What if I still can't hit my basics? - Welcome to my world.
@jackbenimble4903
@jackbenimble4903 5 лет назад
DukeSloth Question 8’s answer made my day.
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
@BigSleepyJoeCooking 5 лет назад
8) me to
@Eftkud
@Eftkud 5 лет назад
Short answer for #8: play izanami
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
@BigSleepyJoeCooking 5 лет назад
@@Eftkud Youre overestimating our abilities.
@Eftkud
@Eftkud 5 лет назад
NPC 144530113 jorm adc then
@WDM734
@WDM734 5 лет назад
Never thought I would see the day that silver branch is good.
@MinecraftLovesSteve
@MinecraftLovesSteve 5 лет назад
im not gonna lie, i had to take a double take when he said silverbranch bow
@jackbenimble4903
@jackbenimble4903 5 лет назад
See I thought the item was gonna be Runeforge Hammer, the title would be wrong then, because you sure as hell want that sweet passive. Silverbranch bow making plays, that honestly caught me off guard. It’s nice how many build options are actually viable at the moment. Crit, pen/power, attack speed and qin’s, runeforged asi, It’s fun to have some more build paths for what normally is a pretty linear role.
@TrayDays113
@TrayDays113 5 лет назад
I thought this EXACT same thing. It really is nice to have many builds to utilize this season.
@ThalisBrow
@ThalisBrow 5 лет назад
Asi? LOL
@jackbenimble4903
@jackbenimble4903 5 лет назад
Coming back after playing some Artemis games, Duke is right, Silverbranch is definitely fun. Hunter’s blessing+Silverbanch+Boots and Artemis steroid already is overcapping, but then you get Exe, Qins, Odd bow, and you’re getting 40 power off of Silverbranch. 70 power for a 2200 gold item is pretty nuts. Plus it means you’re constantly getting the most out of your Qins and a ton of Odd bow procs. I do think I want to stick to runeforge for the gods that make good use of it, Cern, AMC, Artemis, etc, but that’s just because I want to be able to have better survivability against those early jungle ganks.
@kriegaone3658
@kriegaone3658 5 лет назад
runreforged asi build still has qins lol.
@robbiesarkioglu5623
@robbiesarkioglu5623 5 лет назад
@@ThalisBrow Asi is actually viable for builds rushing Trans... kinda a go 2 item for Ullr, Hou Yi...
@gustavodavid2401
@gustavodavid2401 5 лет назад
This is important knowledge, thanks! ♥ I will try this buils in future games 💪👌
@NickopzTV
@NickopzTV 5 лет назад
Duke I just used this build in joust with hachiman and skadi. I destoryed with it lol. Thank you for giving me a reason to play hunters again!
@WallyDaDeity
@WallyDaDeity 5 лет назад
Saw that Reddit post.. must've taken an insane amount of time to calculate all of that damage.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
I think at this point it's actually not THAT much work for Impish anymore, as far as I understand it at least, because you basically feed the software the options and let it runs its tests. However, creating and setting up the software initially must've been absolutely crazy amounts of work and he's still making adjustments to it to this day.
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
Actually, I have written the program to simulate the millions of combinations and export it out to Excel in a time efficient manner. I have done this since Season 4, so its a lot easier now to do an updated one when a new patch comes out.
@nickbaer8866
@nickbaer8866 5 лет назад
Love your videos man keep up the good work!!
@Eneticckk
@Eneticckk 5 лет назад
I can promise you I'd never have believed that Silverbranch was good unless it was Dukesloth telling me it was and explaining it as well as he does
@ThalisBrow
@ThalisBrow 5 лет назад
323 with 2.5 attack speed GSUS CRHIST
@fungab1446
@fungab1446 5 лет назад
Happy birthday man. Bro thank you for this video I got my hou yi to rank X but the current meta isn’t friendly for him anymore. He doesn’t do as much damage as he used , with all the nerfs and buffs I don’t know how to make a good dps build. Especially one that makes my 3x bounce kill squishy with 3/4 health or below
@skarmorydx3565
@skarmorydx3565 5 лет назад
I'll have to try this in a future, I'm struggling with adcs since I don't know how to build them [since I'm more towards magic side] Interesting how an item that never seen love cause it's passive...it's now getting love by everything but the passive
@kotablackburn5240
@kotablackburn5240 5 лет назад
Love you duke! You've taught me smite!
@Lucy2Juicy
@Lucy2Juicy 5 лет назад
Sorry I didnt see Duke, Happy Belated Birthday!
@AlphaT10
@AlphaT10 5 лет назад
Didn’t realise it was your birthday but happy late birthday dude 🥳
@JohnDotGov
@JohnDotGov 5 лет назад
Thanks for the video, I’ve been trying out similar builds and have been getting flogged by teammates for it.
@Trollamity
@Trollamity 5 лет назад
Happy Belated Birthday DukeSloth. Keep making videos.
@henryharris8971
@henryharris8971 4 года назад
That ricochet shot at 2:05 was insane
@Raelyn
@Raelyn 5 лет назад
Honestly super interesting. Hunter builds have never been more variable. Quite an exciting time to play the point and click adventure role. I played around with the build earlier and had a lot of fun with it. Noticed I was clearing and poking a lot more, but the lack of inherent lifesteal definitely was noticeable until I got Bloodforge online (I often found myself picking it up before Qin's Sais). In what matchups would you recommend rushing Devo's over Silverbranch or vice versa? And how does Runeforge compare I wonder? The Hunter role deepens.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Runeforged will be a story for another time. Lifesteal is mostly a matter of preference, but also of aggression. If you're playing a hunter with a significantly weaker early, I'd recommend rushing Devos as you wouldn't be playing for early. With equal or stronger early, you'll get more out of Silverbranch.
@mason3615
@mason3615 5 лет назад
Love You
@juliansmit3770
@juliansmit3770 5 лет назад
As someone who just joined the game a week ago I’m happy to find youtubers who do builds. Hunters seem very hard for me as a beginning player (I played league before on a decent high lvl plat/dia but these adcs feel a lot harder)
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
Welcome to the game!
@juliansmit3770
@juliansmit3770 5 лет назад
Impish Coconut thanks! Mainly playing Odin now because he’s so easy. Also Fenrir on conquest mode in the jungle
@nodropped_8507
@nodropped_8507 5 лет назад
L O L
@fisharepeopletoo9653
@fisharepeopletoo9653 5 лет назад
Great vid and happy birthday!
@marquisdeans8271
@marquisdeans8271 5 лет назад
I love this item on Apollo at full build I’m constantly overcapping so when his passive steroid procs I literally get almost bonus power 😍😍 not to mention the 30-35 power the item itself gives I literally delete any structure or tank late game
@andrewking2323
@andrewking2323 5 лет назад
Damn it DukeSloth. You've highlighted my secret sleeper item. I'll never be able to get away with apollo silverbranch without being called out for mimicry.
@ajparker7575
@ajparker7575 5 лет назад
I'm curious, do you think a hammer build on Jing Wei would be to awful to consider? More than likely you'd just pick up titans bane as your one pen item, get all three hammers (most likely in order of Blackthorn > Frostbound > Runeforged with titan's bane woven in the middle of that when the enemies have enough protections to warrant it), and as a Jing Wei specific twist, Stone of Gaia, since she can both make use of the normal passive and intentionally proc the secondary passive, aloowing her to play even more aggressively with her dash (maybe even play her in solo lane with this). I don't know when or where you'd actually pick up the Stone of Gaia though (build order wise).
@HeavyStuffProject
@HeavyStuffProject 5 лет назад
Duke the build with: trascendence, warrior,crusher,heartseeker,yotun and titan/odyss/soul eater for close is still worth on ability based god?
@MykaleJ
@MykaleJ 5 лет назад
Oh mama! I'm totally trying this on Apollo later.
@StorkNest
@StorkNest 5 лет назад
How do you feel about the Titan's Bane + Quins combo? With the push to bring back Warriors and double tanks being more common, I find this Tankbuster combo useful more often including some gods you do not see tanking that are still affected by it. Anything on the Smite Trello website?
@ashra8281
@ashra8281 5 лет назад
I like the new frostbound build for Cern and gods like that, it's just more fun than the unicorn build
@Trollmangol
@Trollmangol 5 лет назад
I build the full bow tree except the one with movement speed and have alot of fun and it hits pretty nice it even worked on hunter loki ×D
@LegendaryDreamslayer
@LegendaryDreamslayer 5 лет назад
I can't fathom taking Silverbranch over Atlantia, that extra movement speed is super helpful in so many situations. Stay just slightly ahead of an enemy tank that's trying to kill you, or you can actually keep up long enough with other characters to land that last important shot or ability.
@quaray33
@quaray33 5 лет назад
@Dukesloth might I recommend Asi or Atalantas bow to swap in. Ditch the boots, get the potion. (I tested this build with cupid. His 3 adds passive attack speed.) Swapped bloodforge for asi and his attack power was 322. Plus it came with penetration, which is crucial. And instead of rage, might I recommend Wind Demon? The proc on that would benefit the user more.
@martinoganzerli6186
@martinoganzerli6186 5 лет назад
Can you make a video about how exactly lifesteal works?
@BurlapRat
@BurlapRat 5 лет назад
Silver Branch Bow is perfect for Apollo cause his passive.
@jasonsavage8494
@jasonsavage8494 5 лет назад
But a big question IMO is - what about very early game? Comparing a few hunters starting with hunter’s blessing and either T1 SBB or T1 Transendence (with which you can also afford two more potions), the AA dps is practically identical. But you lose out on, depending on the scaling of the ability, anywhere from 6-10 damage (with a few edge cases like Artemis) on your waveclear each time you use it. With the first couple of waves being so crucial for potential purple invades / defending against them, the amount of early clear being sacrificed to rush SBB after boots seems questionable (like how Ichaival rush isn’t really a thing either).
@Gridl3y
@Gridl3y 5 лет назад
I was messing around in jungle practice with silverbranch the other day. Didn't realize it's base stats were so good after the buff. Wouldn't wind demon work in place of rage with the added power you'd get from the proc? Also move speed for chasing
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
If you prefer Wind Demon's passive, absolutely, not a big loss at all. Rage is just super DPS-efficient due to having up to 40% crit chance
@Dontuploadanymore
@Dontuploadanymore 5 лет назад
I used to run silver branch in placement of crusher depending on the god
@riddle1522
@riddle1522 5 лет назад
Silverbranch was my first guess xD But I expected some crit to be in the build as well for maximum dps EDIT: I was correct, I calculated the dps of the build in the video with 0 defenses (because the compassion won't be affected by pen) was 894.9DPS. If you change out bloodforge for a death bringer, approximately you get 984.65DPS. around 12.5% more dps than the "calculated" one. And no, Rage is not better, it only gives 948.4DPS (and I used a pen and paper for this...)
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
If you want to explain more in the reddit post, I can take a look at it.
@c_f0rce
@c_f0rce 5 лет назад
I mean. That's assuming you actually crit. Plus you have no life steal.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
The rule was to include a lifesteal item. You can include Trans as well to achieve higher DPS, but that's not the point. The point is to keep some survivability in the build. Also, in that case I wouldn't be surprised if DB provides higher DPS than Rage, as DB functions as some weird power/crit hybrid item in this case and the base power with Rage might be too low. Not gonna run the numbers though as I don't think it matters for most players. The majority of players will go into LS.
@riddle1522
@riddle1522 5 лет назад
@@DukeSloth ahh, I guess I overheard the lifesteal part, my bad.
@wiseferret4745
@wiseferret4745 5 лет назад
What about wind demon in place of bloodforged? Just curious.
@Eftkud
@Eftkud 5 лет назад
Hey duke, what is your opinion about relic dagger on asassins like hun batz Great content as always m8, never expected that silverbranch outside of apollo 4 the memes
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
I'm torn. It's this item that is decent on paper, but always feels underwhelming when you actually use it because you're kinda missing something else that you need more.
@Eftkud
@Eftkud 5 лет назад
DukeSloth yeah it feels... ok, i love the blink plays and using the fact that people dont expect a faster blink i find it useful... but in ARENA 😂
@jrgv1
@jrgv1 5 лет назад
what if you did the crit build on jing wei and managed to trade out boots for Odysseus
@MrProdigy810
@MrProdigy810 5 лет назад
What was that medusa ult at the end tho? Dukesloth u playin on xbox now?
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Can you read? Because if yes, watch the beginning of the video. Your question is answered there.
@jasonsavage8494
@jasonsavage8494 5 лет назад
The fact that SBB Bow is now a good item is one I find deeply unsettling. Single-crit as part of a Qins build hurts me even more :P But maths is maths, the facts are all there. I’d like to see a tweak to Silverbranch, personally, where they nerf the base stats and buff the passive. There is zero sense from a design perspective of an item being good even when the point it was made for - to synergise with high attack speed builds - isn’t even relevant because you don’t need the passive for the item to be strong.
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
@BigSleepyJoeCooking 5 лет назад
berserkers ninja tabi ichaivel runeforged frostbound. Not great late game but early game is actually decent cus everything is so cheap, kinda a meme build but works.
@houyeet
@houyeet 5 лет назад
Hey i’m in the thumbnail!
@danielfraiz74
@danielfraiz74 5 лет назад
I really never expected silverbranch to be useful. I've tried some 2.5 attack speed builds and I only got 18 power and thought meh it's not worth it, but now I see many people using it, even as early item and I'm like what the hell
@Animemom96
@Animemom96 5 лет назад
will definitely have to try this out but wouldn't stacking trans asap still be better on gods that make good use of their abilities like Neith, Chiron, Medusa to a point, etc?
@dragontyron
@dragontyron 5 лет назад
I imagine the answer to this is "yes, but only through midgame." DPS via basic attacks is generally always the highest damage output a hunter can achieve, but the ability hunters stand out because they can do more damage through their ability burst at earlier points in the game. Once full build rolls around, higher basic attack DPS is still more useful, but until then you can make an argument for ability burst winning the game earlier. EDIT: Alternatively, because I have the big dumb and forgot, see Duke's pinned comment. Transcendence will have more total DPS but you would exchange Bloodforge for it, and build it earlier.
@c_f0rce
@c_f0rce 5 лет назад
@@dragontyron Neith and Chiron don't build got autos. They build for abilities. Idk why you mentioned Medusa. Her ability damage is not very high. She has like 70% scaling on her 2. She's better with attack speed builds.
@dragontyron
@dragontyron 5 лет назад
@@c_f0rce Correct, they typically don't. This build will still give them the highest endgame DPS, but in their case it may still be a better idea to focus on early/midgame ability damage, since they'll lose the lategame matchup against a basic attack hunter regardless.
@blainefiasco8225
@blainefiasco8225 5 лет назад
Duke calling sbb good? I think I’m in the wrong dimension again...
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
I converted him to the dark side of the force.
@ZhukelDror
@ZhukelDror 5 лет назад
Is this build good for Hachiman?
@iforeplay
@iforeplay 5 лет назад
Could I use this on Anhur??? He’s my favorite hunter and I usually go Trasendence on him first with hunter blessing. If I can’t use it on Anhur, what other hunters are viable
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Yes, absolutely. You can check the reddit thread linked above to check for all hunters, but it's one of the best DPS builds for Anhur.
@tsohgallik
@tsohgallik 5 лет назад
on characters like Rama, Artemis, Medusa... They can still use Transcendence. idk.... Maybe Transcendence, Ninja Tabi, Silverbranch, Executioner.... Odyssey. I guess? and then use the speed buff from the ability....
@rapsody230
@rapsody230 5 лет назад
Meh, they can all three use runeforge effectively, might as well just buy that instead of trans.
@monkeytoes1155
@monkeytoes1155 5 лет назад
Could this work with Neith?
@tundragaming5
@tundragaming5 5 лет назад
I wonder if this would work on Kali?
@hobodarkness7696
@hobodarkness7696 5 лет назад
Good work to all who were involved in making this content i reall6 appreciate you guys making this for us. I don't play adc much and this really helps out more than you can imagine. Again i really appreciate your services and i hope you guys have the best time. Have a wonderful day.
@mochmaster45
@mochmaster45 5 лет назад
I'm amazed that this build isn't even better with wind demon in place of blood forge. I know BF has a lot of power, but with the passive from WD with passive from silver branch (maybe with AS steroid) in addiiton to more crits seems like it would be better. Maybe I'm just a softie for crit
@michaelmunson6809
@michaelmunson6809 5 лет назад
Survivability. Bloodforge makes 2v1s easy as hell tbh.
@mikecampau438
@mikecampau438 5 лет назад
He might have but i dont think he took apollos dps spike when he has passive up
@J.JONAH.Jameson
@J.JONAH.Jameson 5 лет назад
Ah the season 4 build for hunting dem pictures of the Spider-Man
@extinctzebroid
@extinctzebroid 5 лет назад
I was the Bacchus in that medusa game GG
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
gg wp! Sorry about your leaver :/ Was a lot more even and fun before that.
@deleonfountain8220
@deleonfountain8220 5 лет назад
Few days ago I was level 14 or so and hit Ah Puch with an auto while he was inside my ult as hou yi. It hit for 430 without mark...just runeforge passive which is nutty and you’re telling me this has the potential to do better than that?
@gravyfordays8454
@gravyfordays8454 5 лет назад
Xblal with runeforged and frostbound is insane, especiallynif you have a good cc team. Just throwing it out there
@LegendaryDreamslayer
@LegendaryDreamslayer 5 лет назад
That combo is actually crazy strong right now, its not quite full crit levels of damage BUT it doesn't have the downsides of being countered by like 1 item. A pen frostforged build melts everything, and is super effective against characters that like to run away while tanking ala warriors.
@gravyfordays8454
@gravyfordays8454 5 лет назад
Yea I go Ninja tabi, runforged, asi, executioner, qins, frostbound and then sell boots for obow if the game goes that late. I went like 20/4/5 in a 2v3 joust with that build hahahahaha
@LegendaryDreamslayer
@LegendaryDreamslayer 5 лет назад
@@gravyfordays8454 That is actually almost exactly what I typically run with a frostforge build. I think I ran like Transcendence over Asi for the extra power but Asi is a strong item too. I got a penta with Hou Yi with a similar build at one point.
@Stonegoal
@Stonegoal 5 лет назад
I have been away for at least a year and when I left silver branch was stealing magic power or some crap like that. It was one of the worse hunter items. I normally do not watch many videos but i wanted to get a feeling for the top tier items and gods again.
@guiguicornichon6120
@guiguicornichon6120 5 лет назад
But how is the power curve compared to other builds ?
@guiguicornichon6120
@guiguicornichon6120 5 лет назад
@WILLtheKNIGHT Okay I see, thanks !
@bigrodent469
@bigrodent469 5 лет назад
How good would this be on Apollo?
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
See for yourself here: drive.google.com/file/d/1wyJZ1-kzylpymQHnO1RS2YYI3x7SgDYh/view check the Apollo tab and the Apollo steroid tab. Two variations of it are still the best sustainable DPS without the steroid, but with the steroid, high power builds with items like Transcendence become stronger. But you also have to keep in mind that the DPS build will allow you to have your steroid up more often in the first place, so I personally would still build it. Purely focusing on the steroid phase seems counterintuitive to me personally.
@Ermacc187
@Ermacc187 5 лет назад
What if you bought an elixir of speed and sold your boots for deathbringer in the crit build or bought Atalanta's bow in the speed build? Also, happy birthday.
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
In the reddit post, I show dps calculations for no boots builds, check it out to find the answer.
@Ermacc187
@Ermacc187 5 лет назад
I will do that
@atc_evie
@atc_evie 5 лет назад
what about wind demon tho
@Goma535
@Goma535 5 лет назад
Can you make a video with good build examples for every role / god type? :)
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Not gonna be "a" video because that would be way too long, but I'll do similar things for other classes, yes
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
@BigSleepyJoeCooking 5 лет назад
Wait isnt crusher better then silver branch? I guess it depends on if your aa or ability.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
For ability-damage, yes. You have a bit more pen and the passive. But this focuses on maximum DPS through basics and due to Silverbranch having almost double the attack speed (15% more), it comes out on top in that regard. Also, in lategame Silverbranch's passive should lead to higher overall damage if you overcap, too. That said, Crusher is still a very close contender as we can see by the fact that it's often included as the 6th item if you trade out boots. If you want a build with almost the same single--target DPS, more ability damage but less teamfight, you can trade out Odysseus' Bow for the Crusher. So: Ninja Tabi - Silverbranch - Crusher - Executioner - Qins - Bloodforge. That would basically the pen/ability variation, whereas putting Rage in that slot is the crit variation. All of these builds are very similar in how they play and overall damage.
@somerandomperson2013
@somerandomperson2013 5 лет назад
@@DukeSloth I thought that Ichival was better then Crusher
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
@@somerandomperson2013 "better" in this context is kinda.. vague. For direct boxing and cheap earlygame DPS, Ichaival is better due to its power steal and low price. If you're after maxing ability damage, Crusher is most certainly the better option.
@wintermightcome8642
@wintermightcome8642 5 лет назад
Can't wait for Apollo with 5.0 ago speed converted to power
@jasonsavage8494
@jasonsavage8494 5 лет назад
NitroWarrior I don’t think 5.0 is actually possible. His passive doesn’t double attack speed, it adds 100% of his base attack speed (just like how building items totalling 100% would do). So let’s say you built enough to give 2.5AS, and then his passive activated, it wouldn’t double your speed to 5.0 - instead it would add 100% of his base, taking you up to about 3.5. Then, of course, the cap kicks in as usual and you’d get about 50 power via Silverbranch passive. (Numbers approximate, don’t have anything to hand to do it accurately)
@bardoftartarus
@bardoftartarus 5 лет назад
Should I prioritize Hastened or Silverbranch on Baka?🤔
@igohardyesme
@igohardyesme 5 лет назад
Hastened
@bardoftartarus
@bardoftartarus 5 лет назад
@@igohardyesme that's what I thought but I always doubt myself, thanks tho
@powervacuum550
@powervacuum550 5 лет назад
Thought he was talking about runeforged...
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
It does work on a few hunters.
@rapsody230
@rapsody230 5 лет назад
Runeforge is much more specific thansilver, without consistent CC in your kit its kind of a waste.
@c_f0rce
@c_f0rce 5 лет назад
@@rapsody230 Every team fight should have constant cc.
@bladethevamp
@bladethevamp 5 лет назад
@@c_f0rce I agree, i love cupcakes
@aegismalkav8057
@aegismalkav8057 5 лет назад
As an ADC main this build seems interesting i should give it a try and see how it goes with my own eyes, ill let you know if in the field the build gets the job done thanks Duke. #worththeattempt
@bakersdozen4283
@bakersdozen4283 5 лет назад
Aegis Malkav don’t you think some cool down and pen helps?
@aegismalkav8057
@aegismalkav8057 5 лет назад
@@bakersdozen4283 Depends on which carry youre playing, some hunters relies more on basic attacks than others and both Executioner and Plat. Bow have a decent amount of penetration.
@bakersdozen4283
@bakersdozen4283 5 лет назад
Aegis Malkav I know that. But running 4 attack speed items isn’t enough? I guess I play more ability based hunters so that’s just how I view it
@aegismalkav8057
@aegismalkav8057 5 лет назад
@@bakersdozen4283 Thats why i said that ill give it a try and see if the build is viable or not to use it in serious matches.
@bakersdozen4283
@bakersdozen4283 5 лет назад
Aegis Malkav true. I just wanted to see your take on it because I’m somewhat new. For me crusher, exec, with boots and hunter blessing is solid enough where my AAs are hitting hard but I still can build a bunch of cooldown. I know these hybrid builds probably aren’t in the pro league but i have fun using it
@Funky_
@Funky_ 5 лет назад
I was expecting something like voidshield
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Void Shield is actually VERY good as well, it's not in the absolute highest DPS builds for most hunters but it's also not far off at all.
@Felipe-dk9kp
@Felipe-dk9kp 5 лет назад
I always use this build when I play with Izanami cuz when u press 1 her basics atacks hurt so much
@Animemom96
@Animemom96 5 лет назад
Lipe Rei yeah and stacking trans for mana doesn't really matter to her because of her basics hitting the whole wave so even more of a bonus
@Felipe-dk9kp
@Felipe-dk9kp 5 лет назад
@@Animemom96 btw I never buy mana potion at the start of the match when I play with her LOL
@toontastic25
@toontastic25 5 лет назад
So is atlantic bow bottom bow now?
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
For hunters? Yeah I'd say so. Some assassins can actually use it these days.
@BIGGGO4
@BIGGGO4 5 лет назад
So why is Silverbranch specifically good on Hou Yi?
@FuuuckJustinBieber
@FuuuckJustinBieber 5 лет назад
Lots of AS plus his mark(2)
@pedroserranoviejo2224
@pedroserranoviejo2224 5 лет назад
Its not specially good on him but on every Hunter because you want the base stats the pasive isnt that important so even as hou yi Who has kinda low atackspeed and no steroid its still the New higher dps build
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
What Pedro said. It's the highest or second highest DPS build on most hunters, which is why I used it on Medusa as well. It's just interesting THAT it is good on a god like Hou Yi, when really, it shouldn't as he doesn't utilize the passive at all.
@rick2987
@rick2987 5 лет назад
and a libra-morte, with 15% more damage in crits (is an a 30% addition, but 200% + 30% does 230%, which is an increment of 15%) isn t a better item than bloodforge or sais?
@rapsody230
@rapsody230 5 лет назад
qins is important to fight any frontliner/support that tries to screw with you, without it you will probably get stomped by their solo. Bloodforge is important for sustain and boxing potential, the passive is especially useful lategame.
@rick2987
@rick2987 5 лет назад
@@rapsody230 yeah, i know, i love qin sais. but we are talking in brute DPS, aren t we? and a 15% more damage in crits and the 25% more crit chances (which reduces to a 10% in total by the 65% of chances with only rage and libramorte, but still is a chunk) are nearly a 30% more dps (your crit chances rise a 25%, giving you a 165% of final damage in promedium via crits instead of the 140% with only rage, whichi in comparison is a 17% more damage in basics (as you see i am not counting power here, but a 25 variation in autos damage of a 300, is only a reduction of roughtly an 8%, and with qin sais is even lower) and also you have the 15% more damage of crits with the pasive of deathbringer (30% of 200% is a 15% of 100%))
@rick2987
@rick2987 5 лет назад
maybe qin sais attack speed can do something, but with that build you could reach the top attack speed with a lot of picks. And if we count a target over 2500 life qin sais shines. but we are talking a 2000 life 66 defense target
@rick2987
@rick2987 5 лет назад
@@rapsody230 the best build in a real scenario would be the one in the video (i suppose, i didn t calculated it), but i want to know the more dps vs a not tanky character, and libramorte seems too strong with already 40% crit chance to forget it
@shinectasker2473
@shinectasker2473 5 лет назад
How do you take so much
@Blackopsspartn
@Blackopsspartn 5 лет назад
Still waiting for Atalantas bow to shine
@grantweaver3698
@grantweaver3698 5 лет назад
Atalanta's is a blast to use on bakasura. :D
@darkice3267
@darkice3267 5 лет назад
What about Crit ?
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
@BigSleepyJoeCooking 5 лет назад
I thought qin sais were bad with crit and no titans bane for tanks? Also what about trancendance builds?
@LegendaryDreamslayer
@LegendaryDreamslayer 5 лет назад
In my independent hunter testing I discovered that Quins basically out performs any other single item for killing both squishies and especially for tanks. Actually in my tests it often 1-1 outperformed executioner in a crit build against tanks. That passive is no joke.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
No, Qins+Crit in the same build isn't bad at the moment. There are some people who cling to outdated or not well-researched information that will tell you this, but it's not true. I know it can be very misleading though, as so many people keep repeating it. Transcendence would up the damage of this build a little bit, but the condition was to have 1 lifesteal item. If you don't want that, just swap out Bloodforge!
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
@BigSleepyJoeCooking 5 лет назад
ok cool thanks.
@justinthompson4203
@justinthompson4203 5 лет назад
Would this would for like skadi?
@JMC5519
@JMC5519 5 лет назад
Justin Thompson Are you having a stroke?
@justinthompson4203
@justinthompson4203 5 лет назад
@@JMC5519 welp ok was just asking a question
@enzimochi
@enzimochi 5 лет назад
Structures will melt *plague doctor izanami* Lovely!
@iammo1534
@iammo1534 5 лет назад
I just came back to playing the game recently. What happen to crit items for hunters? Is that not a thing anymore?
@Raelyn
@Raelyn 5 лет назад
Crit is still useable, but it's dropped off in popularity due to how easy it is to counter. Tanks are likely going to be the main things you are shooting in late-game teamfights if they are positioning properly, and said Tanks will likely have Hide of the Nemean Lion and/or Shield of Thorns just to mess you up. Pen builds have gotten a lot more popular due to this as you're attacking their health pool directly and shredding up the front line.
@iammo1534
@iammo1534 5 лет назад
Raelyn perfect explanation, thanks
@Raelyn
@Raelyn 5 лет назад
@@iammo1534 No problem. Some Hunters still absolutely wreck face with crits. Jing Wei comes to mind as someone I'd still use Crit on. Apollo too is a good choice. Any Hunter that has an attack speed buff in their kit is definitely someone who can make great use of Crits still.
@iammo1534
@iammo1534 5 лет назад
Raelyn thanks just found out they charged Artemis passive. I need to go over all items to see what changed
@mooedr
@mooedr 5 лет назад
Can't wait for this to become known, i keep getting people call me names because i build silverbranch bow..
@theprodigy1779
@theprodigy1779 5 лет назад
Moedr just let them feel stupid when they find out
@Alex-up5hc
@Alex-up5hc 5 лет назад
The item is odysseus bow
@vegetablevegetable
@vegetablevegetable 3 года назад
Which hunter has the fastest attack speed among all?
@ConcerninglyWiseAlligator
@ConcerninglyWiseAlligator 5 лет назад
As soon as i saw the title i knew it was silverbranch bow. Why? Because the passive is the only one that is unaplicable enough for the title to make sense. Pls change that thing.
@Demonbane41276
@Demonbane41276 5 лет назад
I've always thought you should build attack speed first...but listening to people that "know better" I really never did. Yes, power would be great for an ability based god or if you hit every attack.
@Jormyyy
@Jormyyy 5 лет назад
DANGIT I spoiled myself with what the item surprise was by reading the comments. Also if they nerf silverbranch bow in future patches I might scream.
@Silent-ig9kb
@Silent-ig9kb 5 лет назад
3:52 one of these days Duke...
@coreyeddy7313
@coreyeddy7313 5 лет назад
Does he have one for bastet?
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Yes, he has a whole calculation set for assassins, it's all in the link. I'll make videos about them in the future, too.
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
Bastet is bae. For assassins, I break it down for early and late game so you can make your power curve and see how it looks with other builds.
@blainefiasco8225
@blainefiasco8225 5 лет назад
You don’t need DB in the crit build?
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
Surprisingly enough, no. There are still some high DPS hunter builds with DB, but the highest DPS ones right now utilize Rage only. You get more consistent damage through the fast shots, though of course you're missing out on the satisfying big crits.
@Bluemansonic
@Bluemansonic 5 лет назад
.........ive been using that exact hunte4 build for years.........
@guiguicornichon6120
@guiguicornichon6120 5 лет назад
Then that's too bad, because it's only good now with the buff of silverbranch ;)
@Trenz83
@Trenz83 5 лет назад
so... its not the first of april! O___o
@fakelove7272
@fakelove7272 5 лет назад
Crit is not an option against nemean and thorns heavies. They identify you inmediatly if you do a good performance in your lane, and soon you will have a solo and a supp with that build, and even mid if it is a healer or they just see that you are the top player and yourmid sucks. And with this kuzembo in many games that item is the last choice. Besides healers like baron, chang'e, aprho and hel are very used in casuals, so toxic is going to be a forced item to have movement speed and anti healing at the same time in order get those heavy goods. If you have healers in your game, your damage will worry them a shit because they will have good movement speed with the asclepius plus their pasive movement speed -because all the healers have a passive that involves movement speed- and then you will hit maybe a couple hits with a merely based on damage build and your performance will be bad. In this case wind demon or its brother are one of the best choices. And penetration is just forced too because healers always go for armor when the carry is good enough. And the sustain is just too nacesary for many carries that if you don't have it you will lose your lane by pressure when the other buys sustain. Only a few hunters can care less about sustain items like neith or cupid, and maybeeee chiron, chernobog, ah muzen cab, and ullr can go for trascendence because they have sustain passives or can return to lane fast, or they have to much early that they can't be pushed (or all together like that fucking ullr). But in general the sustain stacks are base. And the final thing is that a player has to identify if his hunter do better performance with skills based build or with basic attack build. No one will build skills based with rama or jing wei. Those gods are mainly basic attack gods and their build has to care primarily for: attack speed. And gods like neith or ullr, are skill based mainly even thoug they are decent with basic atack builds. And finally theres an item that has broken the meta and it is: runeforged hammer. It is a total beasty item that gives adc absurd damage.
@sparkygtynes
@sparkygtynes 2 года назад
Isn’t silverbranch 10% penetration?
@blu5440
@blu5440 5 лет назад
I wish i had money to pay for internet, but i used that build on apollo a couple of months ago. Carried in almost all my ranked joust games and man o man were they upset, but in all honesty, they started to int bc of it. Lol No crit needed
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
A couple months ago Silverbranch wasn't nearly as good, so I can understand why they were upset. It only became good through the base stat buffs :/
@AllHailShadow117
@AllHailShadow117 5 лет назад
This is basically my normal Chiron build lol
@holyelixir4580
@holyelixir4580 5 лет назад
I thought Qins Sais and Crit didnt mix?
@impishcoconut572
@impishcoconut572 5 лет назад
The only thing I can think of is people ignore the math or harbor the same feelings seasons after it was declared bad.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
No, Qins+Crit in the same build isn't bad at the moment. There are some people who cling to outdated or not well-researched information that will tell you this, but it's not true. I know it can be very misleading though, as so many people keep repeating it.
@barrice5117
@barrice5117 4 года назад
Still use this build it wrecks
@dan240393
@dan240393 5 лет назад
Is this one of those builds that doesn't translate outside of Conquest? I've tried it in my last few games... And it just feels horrible compared to the more standard builds. Its DPS doesn't seem to kick in at all until the 5th item and even then it just doesn't feel strong. Even capped on AS as Medusa I was getting 0 Power from Silverbranch normally and only an extra 37 with her steroid up. Its enormously underwhelming.
@reyes6220
@reyes6220 5 лет назад
that build only works for hunters like rama that have an ability that give him attack speed
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
No, it doesn't only work for them. That's why I specifically pointed out Hou Yi. The passive is irrelevant. The base stats are the key
@reyes6220
@reyes6220 5 лет назад
well, i will tried the build but i dont know, i know its good on rama because i knew from this build from an spanish channel. warchichar, he talked about this build in the patch notes at the beginning of the season.
@DukeSloth
@DukeSloth 5 лет назад
@@reyes6220 I'd be very surprised if Warchi talked about this exact build. I'm pretty sure he'd just talk about how Silverbranch and steroid's like Rama synergize in general, which would have very little to do with how this build works. If I'm wrong here and he talked about this exact build, can you please give me a link with a timestamp?
@reyes6220
@reyes6220 5 лет назад
well, am going to try to find the video, but he didnt talked in general about it. thank you though for sharing this build, i still have to tested more. right now i am using the one that uses the both of the hamers(i forgot the names). have a good day bro.
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