The C8 Z06 pipeline, and why the sky ISN'T falling! 

Thanks for the info, I didn't see the retraction. That's unfortunate. I try to get my info right, and saw the 1000 allocations cited in a few places. Thanks for the correction, I'll pin this comment.

I believe 495, but refer to midengine to check

@@vettesweetnos I think you are right. I didn’t have it in front of me at the time.

Hi Everjeff! Agreed! A few people have taken me reporting what's happening as "me being happy about what's happening", and that couldn't be further from the truth. Rather, I'm taking a situation we have no control over and trying to frame it in the best possible light, which is how I'm choosing to look at it. I certainly don't relish being 3-4 years out with my allocation (in the 1150's at MM), but I don't really have a choice, and as an optimist in life in general, I am finding the silver linings to that. I'm really interested to see some new colors too, would love a good metallic green! Have a nice weekend man! -Fred

Haha my pleasure man! You were the first person to pick up on what you saw. I just shot you an email with a couple clues for where the spoiler is in this video (and it is a spoiler). Agreed with you for your C8, that'll be an awesome car to drive around in the meantime. I'm taking the same perspective of my C7, I am excited for the Z, but am in no rush to give up my current car, and will drive the heck out of it until I have to get rid of it. Have a great one man! -Fred

Hi Vettesweetnos! Thanks! Agreed on the incredibly slow rollout, and the problems in that there's not even really a "firm" timeline to plan around. Museum delivery sounds great, but agree with you doing it in winter wouldn't be ideal due to driving it home in the salt/sand/snow. Fingers crossed for you that the timing works out, keep me posted. Haha you made the best effort you could, I don't think anyone could have guessed all the twists and turns this rollout (or whatever it should be called at this point) would have. Though I'm trying to find the "bright sides" of a lot of this news over my videos, I can't help but feel like for a "premium car experience", there is a lot to be desired here. The good news is that I think the car and the driving experience will be fantastic, living up to expectations, and ultimately being worth the cost of admission, but there is a disconnect for me, how a car costing roughly as much as 30% of what I paid for my house, is being treated like kids being picked for a game of kickball. It just doesn't feel very...appropriate for the kind of money involved. Fingers crossed though, I have faith in GM, and that they're doing the best they can, so here's hoping that the issues get sorted out by EOY, and they can roll into the new year under full production load, and a bunch of people can get their cars! I'll definitely be living vicariously through people like you, sharing your experiences, since I'm so far down the list! Have a nice weekend! -Fred

Thank you, I really appreciate it! - Fred

Nice! :) -Fred

Hi Sully, No apologies needed. Very sorry to hear about the eye stroke, and I understand the implications of that, as well as age and the reality of "good time left", especially in the context of demanding driving like track use. While my perspective/video was largely targeted at the general Z06 interested audience, there is certainly a subset who those assertions don't apply to, or don't align with. Your case definitely sounds like one of them. Having gone through some pretty serious health scares for both my wife, and myself in the last 18 months, the fleeting time of good health is literally my top priority, and that which I balance my entire life around more or less. Pushing the car out, especially if you're bumping up against statistical likelihood of potentially not being able to use it for track is a very real problem/risk. Apologies for not calling that out a bit more clearly. What I was trying to get across is that ignoring individual circumstances (mostly because those with 2023 allocations are such a small percentage of the total number with reservations in), we've all waited months/years already, so "what's a few more months, for them to get the car right?". If I was in your shoes, I think my mindset would be to make my best guess of how my health and likelihood of being able to do track for the next couple years is. How have I been? Have there been recent setbacks? Are there things I can do to increase my odds or improve my chances of still being able to? etc... If I saw time dwindling and more uncertainty than not, then I'd possibly consider getting something else, keeping the reservation, and having a car for enjoying next year. As they say, life's too short, get the slice of cake (or something like that). Worst case, if you pick up something that will hold it's value for a year (like a 911 Turbo S), if/when your Z06 allocation comes up, you can easily parlay that money right into the new Z, and keep right on going. And if, worst case, things do change, at least you got to enjoy next year. That's how I tend to look at things, is make the best of the situation you have now, and figure things out from there, as you go along. Nothing is guaranteed (as you know) in the future, and it's not worth waiting/hoping for things to work out, especially if there are big factors you don't control. I don't know if any of that is helpful, but I hope it is (though I'm sure you've probably already thought of all this previously). TBH, a big part of why I'm not sweating the Z06 timing is because I've done the mental math and realize that even if I never end up with the car (because of things outside my control), I love my C7, and will have that until (if) the Z06 becomes real for me. Keep me posted on how things pan out (feel free to email anytime), and I'm pulling for you man. Hope you have a nice weekend, and I hope things work out for you in this regard. -Fred

Hahaha, thanks Ramon!! Big congrats on the car, and that tour sounds awesome! Would love to hear how it goes! Thank you for the kind words! -Fred

The other forum has rogue moderators with heavy bias against certain members.

@@redbird444 midenginecorvetteforum has insane moderators threatening to bam members openly and often. Its annoying and childish.

Hi Jonathan! I can only comment on what my experience has been there. Specifically, my call out to them was in what I saw of people posting a lot of sensationalist or completely speculative comments about what was happening. The intent (as far as I could see) was to try to keep the information factual and accurate, even if that's tricky/difficult at times. I don't have a problem with the other forum either, but again, only based on my own experience. Having talked at length with John and several others from MECF, I can say that my interactions have all been really positive, and that my every impression is that they just want respectful, honest exchanges. I'm sorry if your experience has differed, but I stand by what my experience has been. Separately, I do have to disagree with your comment about disagreeing about GM requirements. I don't post there a lot, but for the past several months, several of my videos have been posted by various people there. Those videos in questions while predominantly complimentary about the car, are not tied to GM in any way, and I've called out things I don't think are good, and have shared my opinion unrestricted and unfiltered. Those videos/posts are still up and visible to all. While I am a big fan of the car, I'm not a lifelong GM fan (my C7 GS is so far the first and only GM product I've ever purchased, my Z will be the second). One thought might be if things are being deleted that are more aggressive/trolly/or baiting than necessary. I personally don't tolerate people swearing or attacking in the comments on my channel, and have banned more than a few that couldn't help themselves to attack me or other commenters. Just as my channel is my space to run how I think best, that forum (and most others) are similar. There's also a high likelihood that people/comments could have gotten warnings via DM before any action was taken. But as I said, I've been able to say whatever I thought and had no issues. *shrug* I'm sorry you haven't had a good experience, but mine has been good, which is why I shared what I did. Either way, have a nice weekend! -Fred

@@FredsFullThrottle used to be good but recently the moderators run around threatening bans like they are giving away candy. Tow the corporate explaination or get banned blows

@@JBsC6 neither forum is perfect, but at least we got Fred and youtube

Hi CarSpeed, I saw multiple sources cite it, but the primary one I followed was MECF. However, as I just pinned to the channel, there was apparently a retraction that I didn't see. It sounds like closer to 450 cars till end of year. I do my best to get accurate info, but occasionally miss. I'll have to look at the timing, but likely the retraction wasn't out by the time I filmed (since I have to film a ways in advance). Bummer. :/

@@FredsFullThrottle I understand, my videos from just two weeks ago are already obsolete!

@@LastCallDemon170 Haha, the never ending battle. I try my best to be accurate, but sometimes things change quickly. Have a nice weekend! -Fred

Oh jeez, yup, completely spaced on that, thanks!

Check out the pinned comment at the top. After I filmed, the numbers I got (from multiple sources) were revised. I filmed with the information I had at the time, unfortunately it turned out those weren't accurate. My apologies for the mistake, was not intentional. The number as I'm seeing in a couple places is around 495.

Hi Adam, Thanks for reaching out, and for sharing your concerns. I have all the appropriate safety gear, GPS, a VHF radio, and stay close enough to have cell signal. I also have all the appropriate signal gear (as required by law). Much of the time I do ride with groups (which include an active CG member), but sometimes (like in this example) I don't. I have a healthy respect for the ocean and am well aware of its capabilities from a lifetime of living on/near the ocean. There is plenty of boat traffic in that area and I am being careful/cautious. That's about as far offshore as I'll go. The Yamaha I have is brand new and in top condition, and I keep it meticulously maintained. I keep a very close eye on all the wear items and things to check. I appreciate the concern, and assure you I have my own safety as my top priority. Water is very dangerous, and the river I am part of 2 marinas on (Merrimack) is one of the most dangerous bodies of water in the US. I'm very heads up about the risks, and take every reasonable precaution I can. Thanks for reaching out! -Fred

@@FredsFullThrottle glad you are well prepared!!! Soo important. Enjoy what's left of summer out there cheers!!

@@adamhausner3430 I appreciate it thanks! Your comments were well founded, a lot of people don't understand or realize how quickly it can get ugly out there, and how risky things like waves and current are. Have a nice day!

Here you go: www.corvetteblogger.com/2022/09/02/breaking-gm-to-halt-2023-corvette-z06-orders-through-the-end-of-2022/ There are several more, but this is the one I cited for my video.

Hi FRN, Since the car is still unreleased, it's hard to say, but my guess would be yes. I've already heard some chatter that 3rd party companies are looking to build the same as well, so I think there will be options for anyone that wants it, even on a Stingray. I know there are already a few shops looking to mock up the high wing spoiler too. -Fred

Hi shphrd1, I pinned a comment to this video, but it turns out that when I filmed, the number in multiple outlets was ~1k, but a few days later it was revised down to 495. I highlighted that that was a mistake and not intentional. There's a challenge of trying to film as close to "go live" as I can, to still make room for editing, rendering, uploading, and screening, so unfortunately being only about 5 days out was enough that the information changed. I will digress a bit though and say that those waiting in lines for years didn't get screwed (or at least not how I see it). I certainly welcome/realize everyone feels differently. I've been in line for what's approaching a year (Nov), and I know others have been 2+ years give or take. It's a setback yes, but is small in the percentage of the total time, as well as GM clearly just isn't quite ready to smoothly produce as many as they can (be it reasons they can't control, or ones they can). I stand by my point that MOST people weren't going to get a car this year, regardless (there are way more that are 1-4 years out than there are first year reservation holders), though I'm sure that's small consolation to those folks. Either way, I'm optimistic the car will be worth the wait, and stressing over it or getting upset isn't going to change anything, so my intent was to hopefully help as many people as possible see that it isn't a real problem, and that its' still going to happen, just a bit later than expected. Have a nice evening, -Fred

@@FredsFullThrottle I am 3 years Chriswell in a few days. GM advanced Sacred Cows ahead of the line.🤬🤬🤬

You aren't calling Emelia a cow are you...lol

The number has since been revised to around 500 total.

@@chentecruz Thanks. Still, where are the remaining 500?

@@danpaulsonletsgo the 1,000 number was shared but later retracted and listed as 495 instead. So the total being made through the end of year should be 495 and not 1000. Again, this is just shared information coming from MECF and CorvetteBlogger, NOT GM.

@@chentecruz Thanks for posting/explaining this. I've had a fair bit of people asking about my numbers, and I pinned a comment explaining it was revised. Apologies on the initial info being incorrect, was not intentional. Thanks for covering for me here chentecruz!

Yep, unfortunate for sure. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) how many people reach out to me citing one bit of news or hearsay, or rumor/speculation, convinced that they will never get a Z. It's unfortunate, because the whole situation (basically everything since the unveil last fall) has wound everyone up so tightly that this was sort of inevitable. I think the whole thing could have likely been handled better, but the genie's out of the bottle at this point. Hope you're doing well Titto!! -Fred

Did you have to pay over msrp?

@@greenrush4313 yes $30k over. People are paying that on Ford Lightnings.

Hi thereissomecoolstuff! Hope you're doing well! 2 thoughts. First, you may not have seen it, but the 1k cars allocated was incorrect (The news stories were updated after I had filmed and I was unaware of the change), but I pinned a comment explaining it in the comments here. That leaves us with somewhere around 500 cars being allocated (and thus needing to be built). The other part though isn't speculation, they have to build those cars that are allocated. My math may have been off, but still 6-7 cars per day is at least something. GM stated too that they want to "get it right" in regards to the production for the Z. They are going to be building the car through the end of the year, and as Kai's slide shows, they have to space the cars out for various reasons so I think it's reasonable to expect they'll be making them from now through the end of the year. I agree with you that they won't build cars without allocations, especially since they know that every dealer is willing to take as many allocations as they'd be willing to give out. But they do have to make the cars already allocated, so that will be happening. Congrats on the 3000 status! Have a nice day, -Fred

@@FredsFullThrottle thanks as always for the reply. I just read your pinned comment. I'm starting to think the production number is related to the racing program and the 1000 cars they need to have out there to allow the cars to race. I ordered a 2LZ which is a basic car with no aero or complexities. Standard Corvette stuff. They could build those at will. I suspect Vette Titans is right about some engineering issues. Not sure what direction I'm going when I get the car. Either going to warehouse it or wait and see what they do with production. The 495 number made my day. They will not build a 2023 car in 2024. There may only be 500 2023 Z06's...

@@thereissomecoolstuff Agreed, I think the 2023 MY cars are going to be pretty darn rare. Have a nice day! -Fred

I think a fair number of regular people are part of the first wave of allocations (small as it may be). I know the ones from MacMulkin, are "just normal people". I don't know that there's much that could be gained other than them saying specifically which parts they are/were out of. However, look at it this way. No matter what info they provide, some people aren't going to believe them. I think at a certain point there isn't anything to be gained by providing more info, it would just turn into more of a headache for them than it already is. Plus, I'd rather they focus their time on fixing whatever supply/production issues they're facing. To be clear, this isn't just affecting them (as I tried to highlight in the video). I tried to buy the replacement for my truck recently (a couple months ago), and at my local dealership it was a 6-12 month wait for the vehicle I wanted, and it's nothing crazy/fancy. They cited all the same things that Chevy is saying. Regarding the price increases...I mean most of us are already years out (I'm in the 3-4 years out bucket most likely), meaning that 4 months one way or the other isn't going to change anything there. Statistically most reservation holders are there too, so I don't really think this is to get more money or anything. Anyway, have a nice day. -Fred