The Latin Mass & Correcting the Pope w/ Msgr Charles Pope 

Same here

i have. they pretty much spit in my face saying I have less grace because I go to novus ordo, and that we’re inferior. So I’ve distanced myself from them.

I experienced ridicule because I did not wear a suit jacket. I had slacks and sleeves, but no tie or jacket. I would have worn tie and jacket but my friend who invited me would not loan me one of his. I don't condemn all TLM for this. Most of those causing division are podcast warriors who can't produce " fruit " in their own parish . They play nice with their priest and Bishops and those who attend TLM Yet get on the net and slander , divide, detract, and gossip.

@@lonniestoute8762 this. I have seen it.

@@lonniestoute8762 I’m so sorry for that experience as I believe that most are not insulting or standoffish as they had to have been in the same boat when they attended Latin Mass for the first time.

Amen

But the only way that will happen is if people experience it in the TLM. I am with Benedict and believe that the two forms can organically grow closer.

I noticed you mentioned altar “boys”-any suggestions for the parishes who have bowed to the feminists, and now have altar girls? Secondly, there is nothing more cringeworthy than having to endure laity who cannot pronounce half of the readings should they include Old Testament names and places.

I agree with Matt that more people now want to attend a Latin Mass. I do!!!! Ro

A lot of them are writing emails or playing Candy Crush.

A lot of them don’t have staff to moderate the chats; please be charitable.

If only Common Courtesy was more common..

What is the purpose of the live chat for a respectable channel like PwA? It attracts a lot of radical and uncharitable people and distracts the host from the guest. Why not just take questions from Patrons or Twitter or something? It would also give them the chance to polish up the video afterwards instead of doing it live.

@@TP-om8of ahaha

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All Muslims use Arabic in their services. That helps to unite them as Muslims.

Amen!

@@carolynkimberly4021 You sound adversarial.

@CarolynKimberly. Your statements are what led Pope Francis to make his statement. Both forms are Masses that bring Jesus Christ to us in the Eucharist. Please don't judge my participation or response to God based on your experiences. It's really hurtful and brings disunity. Either we trust the Holy Spirit in all parts of the Mass in any form or the RCC is a fraud.

@@carolynkimberly4021 Well said! I was thinking the same thing.. I will not buy into this modernistic heresy that Pope Pius X fought so hard against... What a strong man he was.. A Great Pope...

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. Salvation from sin is by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed in Scripture alone, to the Glory of God alone. The cult of Rome preaches a false gospel that will condemn you to Hell. Escape as I did, over 25 years ago.

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 full of love as usual. This is why when I found Christ I became Catholic and not Protestant. I will pray for you friend 🙏 ❤

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 😅🤦‍♂️😳✌️

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 "Will condemn you to Hell." As a convert to Catholicism and a Catholic priest, I pity the demonstrated ignorance in your statement. Clearly you don't understand Catholicism, especially the Eucharist and how utterly Christian (and biblical) it is. You can't get more Christocentric than the Eucharist. I will pray to God that He will enlighten you with his grace..

Nick Hope you have a cool name and thanks for your comments brother in Christ.

Exactly!

God bless you, you attend this Holy Mass.

Be thankful that you are given the option regarding how to receive Our Lord. I have experienced Eucharistic Ministers who felt people “need to keep their nasty tongues in their mouths.”😔

Yes!!! Oh how I miss him on the radio. He's so good!

Yes please

The Novus Ordo doesn't look even remotely like a Baptist service. The Novus Ordo includes (1) collectively praying to Mary at every Mass, (2) collectively calling the Eucharist a sacrifice at every Mass, etc

@@taylorbarrett384 I think it can depend how it is celebrated, I was a parishioner in a predominantly Black Catholic parish. It was the white liberal leadership that ripped out everything traditional and centred a gospel choir (this happened before I arrived). There was liturgical dance and centering of the rainbow flag etc. Although Black parishioners remained, many felt alienated by a Catholic parish that totally created a new parish culture. It became gentrified and the local Black Catholic community moved out. This was in the Seattle area. The Church has now shrank substantially in congregation. I was new to the US at the time and it was my local parish so I tried to be faithful but moved on too.

I would appreciate it if Msgr Pope could further explain what he meant.

@@beautifulspirit7420 oof thanks for sharing in detail what happened 😬🤝

@@stutterstudios4731 the irony is last time I stopped by for a daily Mass a couple of years ago the parish priest was African (apologies for not remembering the country) and was clearly very traditional. I don't think he was enamored by the small altar that was now "in the round" in a relatively small parish Church. All the original interior was completely ripped out before I arrived 25 years before, so probably had the refurb in the early 1990s. The leadership was so proud of it at the time but of course now it's looking dated. That's another advantage to traditional architecture/interiors, they just don't date in the same way.

Bergoglio cannot be taken seriously after the pachomama blasphemy

That I agree with. There are actually so many weird things out there people need to let go of and the church should not be encouraging, because that’s how you get nonsense intertwined with the holy.

THe Mass is the most important thing.

The TLM demands a specific theology and this is what modernists don’t want. It says to God, You are the One to be Worshipped and this is Your sacrifice the only thing that saves. It does not represent communal discourse and worship of our community.

@@mikazoftstrom2343 we are living in very turbulent times. I agree with both of the comments before mine, and I can clearly see the polarization that occurs because of these viewpoints. However, I will say this. For around 23 years, I didn't even know of Byzantine Rites, Ambrosian Rites, Dominican Rites, or any other Rites within the Catholic Church. Much less did I know that there was even a distinction between the NO and TLM. After reading the Pope's Motu Proprio, and how he expressed that the NO is the "unique" expression of the Roman Rite, I can't help but feel that the implications of that statement are somewhat puzzling. How can there be only one expression of the Roman Rite, if the Ambrosian and Dominican Rites still exist? Granted, they are not performed in normal Parish settings, but they are still other liturgical expressions of the Roman Rite. Are they any less valid or legitimate now? Why even allow for the TLM if the NO is the "unique" expression? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of union? As per the first comment, the diversity of the Church SHOULD be celebrated. The way I see it, we have two possible roads ahead of us that were set out because of this Motus Proprio: 1) We start moving forward towards a single expression of the Mass, with no distinction between Rites. Now, this sounds heavy, but if the Church's goal is to manifest Heavenly Worship through the Mass, it would make sense to only have one expression of this Worship (imo). 2) We revert to having different expressions of the Roman Rite due to the inconsistency that would arise with having more than one Rite being expressed on par with the "unique" Roman Rite.

@@raulrovelo5544 you are right, there is no such thing as unique expression of the Roman rite and there is only division when one says another is invalid. Each magisterium carries Jesus’ authority, which is eternal, as He is. To say what one pope used as worship to God is invalid, violates the authority granted to them by Christ. That’s why I never felt the NO was invalid, just another rite of the faith. However, it’s communal spirit can easily distract and lead others away from its intended purpose. It doesn’t have to be this way but it is. But to discredit the TLM is to invalidate centuries of authority and worship of God. It also allows for the invalidation of the doctrines that follows from it. This, God I hope I’m wrong, might be what this move is intended to do.

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. Salvation from sin is by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed in Scripture alone, to the Glory of God alone. The cult of Rome preaches a false gospel that will condemn you to Hell. Escape as I did, over 25 years ago.

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 I agree with some of what you said except your foolish statement regarding the only earthy authority to interpret the scripture, the RCC. Also salvation is from grace and is maintained through the faith. Therefore only God’s sacrifice saves but obeying all the faith requires maintains the faith. Your statement on the faith as revealed in scripture literally means nothing if interpreted incorrectly. So the Bible alone is nonsense. As there was centuries of Christians before the Bible who managed salvation without the Bible. And if you are correct, which of the 20-30k different interpretations will lead me to salvation? Your interpretation leads to relativism and essentially you become your own authority. That is the first sin. Remember ray the fruit and you will be like God? Man you didn’t escape, you were lead out of God’s true church and became your own church.

Yes to unity! If we want to leave the church and start a new sect, due to differences, I think we would be called Protestants.

@@chomperthefirst533 that is utter bollox!

Or even - in part - BECAUSE of our differences, which makes the church so beautiful! :)

You are correct..the antagonist should be put in their place. For 50+!years these Anti-Vatican II proponents have antagonized the Church and her Popes . Your "unite the clans" is not a movement to unite the Church. It is a movement to unite Anti-Vatican II proponents. Your internet warriors are antagonist who condemn all is us who are not TLM. For 50+ years bro. Stop with the victim mentality .!!! In Peace

@@lonniestoute8762 I was unaware of that. Ty for pointing it out. Although i attend a TLM I also have and will attend NO masses as I believe both are valid and I wish to see both united, not divided. That was my understanding of uniting the clans

According to the Catechism, you have a special responsibility to help the Catechesis of confirmands of the parish you belong to. You objectively belong only to the parish community local to you. The priest of that parish is your shepherd. [CCC 1309]"Preparation for Confirmation should aim at leading the Christian toward a more intimate union with Christ and a more lively familiarity with the Holy Spirit - his actions, his gifts, and his biddings - in order to be more capable of assuming the apostolic responsibilities of Christian life. To this end catechesis for Confirmation should strive to awaken a sense of belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ, the universal Church as well as the parish community. ***The latter bears special responsibility for the preparation of confirmands***." So the parish community bears a special responsibility for the preparation of confirmands, specifically because the end of confirmation includes awakening a sense of belonging in confirmands to their particular parish community. The Catholic Church isn't a place to go church shopping. You have a particular responsibility to your local parish for better or worse.

Yes in some respects but if your pastor is part of the problem, you have no obligation to attend and put your soul in danger.

He said quote " he want to change the church so your parents and grandparents won't be the Catholic that your grandparents or your parents knew and unrecognizable to them.

June, In uncertainty of belief, I believe that one cannot "change" a helper of the family procreation gift role of helpers of the family within the family such as "the Church". One can improve or fail to improve one's family member of a valid and proper marriage identity in need of union (cf, Pope St Paul V1's "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: marriage has "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation").

Very well put.

I just can't understand how they don't see it happening.

I think people are really hungering for a deep prayer life. Mass is the highest form of prayer and the Liturgy of the Hours which sanctifies the day is thee second -- the Mass being like the sun and the rays like the liturgy of the hours. St Paul says one must pray incessantly, pray without ceasing. We hunger for a deep relationship with God. If one has a well disciplined prayer life, then very little will shake a person.

The higher forms of the Usus Antiquior is beautiful. I think it takes a great deal of imagination to portray the low mass as so, given it's just spectators watching a dude pray quietly by himself for the most part, while they, in disengaged manner, pray the rosary on their own.

I’m publishing a weekly RU-vid video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you

I attend both and I agree that you can find beauty and reverence is both but it is more likely to find good shepherds in the traditional Latin mass. My NO priests abandoned their flock, it was very painful for me being denied the sacraments, all of them. I started attending TLM and... what a difference of attitude from the priest. I am not going back to NO, not because of the mass but because of the priest and like minded community. But I don't have any problem to go to a NO mass if there is not choice.

@@carolynkimberly4021 How so? I admit I don’t have a whole lot of experience with the Latin Mad but the only real difference I saw was the difference between being in English and one being in Latin. I have been to Protestant churches and saw nothing of the reverence found in the NO. I am a revert of ten years and returned simply because I had a faithful priest and how he showed reverence in the NO.

Some priest are good doing a Mass. Some should do other things as a priest.

@@bngr_bngr I’m sure back in the pre-VII days there were bad priests. Read the ancient canons: Most are pointed to the clergy. Old story. Read the OT! Bad priests galore. There is one perfect high priest.

I agree with you, Michelle. I like the TLM, but as I have said elsewhere, I am excited about a church I have found that celebrates the N.O. but in a very reverent way. As someone who grew up in the 70's era of felt banners and folk masses, it was wonderful to find an N.O Mass that did not turn its' back on 2000 years of tradition.

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. Salvation from sin is by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed in Scripture alone, to the Glory of God alone. The cult of Rome preaches a false gospel that will condemn you to Hell. Escape as I did, over 25 years ago.

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 do you think anyone will be converted by your click and paste unloving comments all over a devoutly Catholic site? Please have more empathy. We will pray for you 🙏

Who are the “true Christians,” then? The Methodists? The Baptists? The Calvinists? The non-denominational mega-church?

@@EpoRose1 just @pastorpeteronthestreet

Novus Ordo ad orientem??? 😍😍😍 Ok, I think I'm moving to MN lol

Totally agree

Many Catholics no longer believe in the Real Presence. I remember a Catholic writer saying that that change began to happen when people started lining up to take Communion in the hand like movie tickets being passed out.

If your children decide to attend a Latin Mass, encourage them to find a “Sung Mass” (Missa Cantata). The congregation is invited to participate in the responses along with the choir. Very much different from the almost silent Low Mass.

you were right to come back home to the Catholic Church, the one who holds the entore truth. The Pope is not the Church and even if it seems difficult, have trust in God. He will not let anyone destroy it, not even a pope. Have faith!

@@alexandrapotroghir6316 thanks. I really hope they leave our church alone. My children go to a Babtist church but they love coming to the Latin mass with me. It’s just so wonderful going on precessions with my daughter and seeing them pray. They really seem to love it and it’s my favorite time of the week. Going to the Latin Mass with my kids.

Bishop Athanasius Schneider was asked in an interview recently: what do you think about this temptation to become Orthodox? "It is very false, because becoming Orthodox is worse than becoming sedevacantist. Because they reject the faith, the dogma of the primacy of Peter. This is a Gospel truth, it is a truth of dogma. Sedevacantism does not reject the dogma, it only declares, in an arbitrary way, the seat of Peter vacant, but this is unrealistic. The Orthodox, however, reject the dogma, and for this reason we cannot go in that direction, even to have a beautiful liturgy. You know that the Orthodox Church admits divorce. Do you want to have a church with divorce? You can get married, even in church, in the Orthodox Church: a second time, a third time. But only three times, not four. The second marriage, and perhaps the third, is called a penitential marriage. The rite is penitential: the father blesses couples who are de facto adulterers, with a somewhat penitential rite. So it’s a contradiction, and it’s very serious. There is no clear magisterium on contraception either, there is no universal magisterium. So it is problematic. The Orthodox Church has many values, I have many Orthodox friends, even bishops and priests and faithful, they have good values, a liturgy, sacredness, humility, reverence, fasting, penance, and that is good. But that is not all. " I think you mentioned in your other post that you came back to the Church through the Latin Mass. I go to an ICKSP Latin Mass myself. If yours is taken away I would consider the SSPX. Bishop Athanasius was the official observer of the SSPX for the Vatican and he says they're fine to go to.

@@David-nl8pw I’ve looked into the SSPX. There is one In my area. It might be an option. Thanks

@@David-nl8pw that’s very charitable 🙄

So true. The TLM is universal the NO not so.

Those who attempted to retain dignity in the NO were openly persecuted by bishops and/or removed. You were blessed to have a true shepherd.

Well, if the Mass didn't adapt at all then we would have the Last Supper-- Latin would be an xadaption, the fifdleback, the prayer io St. Clement, the Prayer of St. Jerome...

@@Ihathnotscene you're misunderstanding the statement. The church adapted to latin, since its precise and a dead language and can not be changed etc. It did not adapt to latin because of people or world trends.

Spot on!

We need to commit to more prayer for the Pope and the Church.

There will be no unity based on lies

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Perform? You mean celebrate?

@@chinrys06 Yes Farther Kibry does celebrate but I have been to some churches where perform is the correct term.

I love Farther Kirby. If you haven't check out his bible study course. He is moving slowly through the Bible each week, but it is awesome. I have never learned so much, and he points out things that I have missed or never thought of. It will be a year this September and we are still on the first book. (Genesis.)

Yup! I prefer novus ordo done correctly.

I hear your pain Maureen. Maybe the real question is ‘How much suffering did Christ endure for us?’ It’s only in this light and loving Him that we can not only suffer whatever He allows but know He will work it out. It’s hard going though - stay close to His Sacred, bleeding heart.

“Is the pope catholic?” used to be what was said to another who asked a question with “yes” as the answer. Is this pope catholic? By catholic standards, what is the real answer?

Can you link please?

I attempted twice and both posts vanished after posting. It's easily searchable, though. Just type "Fr. Ripperger Taylor Marshall" in in RU-vid and click the video that has "Latin Mass" in the title. May God bless you all

That I would be very interested in watching 🤔

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Agreed, the Mass is about worshipping God not man.

The Church functions by long debates. That’s how she works.

You never know when God is testing his church or more specifically those that run his church. The vision of Pope Leo XIII and the apparitions of Fatima shed a lot of light on what is going on in the church and what is to come.

I think this may hinge on your definition of "reverent"

@@sielsounds reverent as in, takes worship seriously, actually consciously and intentionally pray the prayers and recites the words with seriousness and reverence, etc

@@taylorbarrett384 Just a question-as a whole, is the congregation “reverent”? The nonsense permitted during the Mass by the parents and children is what sent me running from the Novus Ordo.

@@room2327 I haven't seen anything in the congregation that is irreverent, except maybe once one time from a teenage girl who was on her phone. The congregation doesn't appear much different to me from the Latin Masses I've been to, where everyone seems just as silent and still as they do at the Novus Ordo.