The Moebius Mod - Part 20 

Grant clearly subscribes to the stealth optional school of infiltration and wrote his thesis on “they can’t detect me if they’re dead”

The mod creator should add the possibility to call down Tosh from the mercenary compound.

I love that the Reaper is somehow a hard counter to Carriers

Hello, Nadrel here, In this mission, the changes introduced by Moebius are the following: - Increased enemy attack waves and defenses. - Uber Khaydarin Monolyths protect breaking field generators. - Added more blind spots to send cloaked units. The changes already added by Nightmare are the following: - Units replaced with Tal’darim variants. - Objective HP Increased by 4x, hardened shield ability. - Mothership HP increased by 4x. Hardened Shield ability, damage tripled. - Warps in allied skytoss after casting vortex - Casts time bomb Design Thoughts: The way I intended this mission is for the player to send their blink DTs and banshees to take out the Khaydarin monolyths, while the BCs brute force their way in through the heavier defenses. There are also not too many Photon, so it's easy for the BCs to take down the detection. From memory, the speed upgrade is 0.5 which corresponds to a 30% speed boost. The Missile pods were removed because they were added to the MF. The laser batteries of the BC also target both air and ground, but inflict less damage than the original BC.

"Take it out with cloak" Most people: Banshee. Grant: Drop a barracks army on it. Invisibly.

* Developer adds Monoliths so the player has use for rescued Dark Templars Grant: "I like the fact that Spec Op Dropship is made good!"

Pretty crazy but this mission just doesnt affect the moebius units since theyve all got shields so its really cool the modder thought about that and added in some anti BC guns around the map.

From observation over multiple runs, I feel like Grant has this assumption that the mothership's patrol is random or sequenced when it actually is trying to go after you. Any time I've played the mission it looks like it will deflect its course toward any player units that enter its "territory," some radius around the artifact vault, just that it doesn't go after your base. So unless you send a distraction force topside it will never go that way when you're trying to go bottom (which has worked for me before but isn't usually worth it) Anyway, this was a neat mission! Being able to safely go infantry, and the cranked up monoliths stopping you from just going cruisers and encouraging either using the DTs or something else spooky is really cool! Plus, being able to hit it all with infantry in a semi-sane way is SUPER cool, especially supplemented by the absurd production rate on the Hercules. Can't wait to see how the no build and char missions are changed! ^v^

I was curious about this mission the most since episode 1. All your units has shields and the Field only damages units when they got no shields up, by the DT surviving as long as they got 1 point of shields. I was worried that the DOT loss would make this a bit easy.

Re: Wrathwalkers - They're tall enough to be hit by AA attacks. Which means the Dropships could hunt them with their wraith parts.

“Try not to lose to the destroyer. That’s what cloak is for.” *sends uncloaked dropship to its death *

Not getting the 50K credits hurts, but still, doing infantry only on the BC mission is incredible. Does mean we'll be wanting a full mech comp on gates of hell though. Goliath diamondback would probably be best, thanks the high mobility, with seige tanks for defense.

Incase you all didn't notice, the Mothership has Hardened shields. SO its really hard to take down its shields, but once they are down, it dies very quickly. So Grant should have actually charged after it once it ran at 20:30 because it would die in a couple seconds of shooting at it at most, taking out that massive threat from the board.

>Spawns Spectres >Fails to use confusion on Destroyers and Scouts >Fails to elaborate

I think you forgot to use the spectre deal a ton of damage ability against wrath valkers. I think that was the missing link in this comp.

Hey grant, just a reminder that you can use Science vessels as a moving sensor tower to buff your guys.

Well as long as you get enough credits to have everything at the end, I'm all for weird challenge attempts

While this isn't ideal for an infantry rush, Mass Spectre/Ghost can work due to their cloaking and the fact their tiny tiny shields will stop the ripfields so you can basically run around with ranged DTs sniping all the monoliths and even bait the mothership out if you're lucky. Favourite Unit.

I highly recommend Goliath, diamondback, missile frigate as a composition. I tried it out way too late in the campaign, but it's really, really good at busting into bases.

I really like these infinite resources. Big fan of these prolonged slog games, and its always a bummer when you lose just from running out of resources on the map

~~ I know what Kerrigan is feeling now~~ One of the most funniest lines ive heard you say!

Well done! Maybe science vessel for the increased range would have worked well here

While Swann usually only falls down in response to being shot, stabbed, exploded by banelings, and nuked; the rip field generator tore his very molecules from existence and unceremoniously killed him. But thankfully he was succeeded by his twin brother Goosse

so, any word on why the last episode had the comments turned off????

The strategy Grant followed on this level was so cool. Really felt like a proper military op rather than just a-moving a bunch of battlecruisers. At the start at least.

You can in fact win by going infantry without sniping production. You just need to create infinity reapers and rush them into the xel'naga vault once the outer perimeter is down. Most are gonna die, but it's gonna be enough.

Infantry Maw Of The Void sounds fun :)

Random thought: Baneling drops but clocked would be quite scary (for the opponent).

Pity he bought psy lash and never used it

Oh god shooting the prison with a wraith again (not technically a wraith but whatever)

Never thought I'd see double drop ships.

I'm honestly disappointed that he didn't go for the mothership even though he had multiple good opportunities. Even more so since it was an objective and he usually doesn't skip those. It was a tactically bad move too since taking it out would have made clearing so much easier... I'm used to him forgetting the side stuff and getting flustered right before the win, but he didn't even mention it the whole mission.

If you have The Biosteel here those Battlecruisers can outheal the fields

2:00 weird.... in my version of the mobieus mod, that vespene gyser is not infinitely regenerating

Yay, kept clicking refresh

The modder adding those endless mineral patches and gas deposit was really critical on this one. Grant would have been mined out for a long time otherwise and he really needed the extra units.

I'm just sad to have never seen Grant do Siege tank Hercules. Siege the tanks, pick them up with the Hercules, drop them near the front-line and profit from a mobile artillery

The amount of time it took grant to realize the purpose of the cannons to be a use for the dark templars was a little jarring. He was like "Ah, I see what you did here. A use for the phantom drop ships" Like yes... but... 😂

So the comments of the previous video have been disabled, but I have a few questions about it: What does the Moebius Thor do? What is the "Thor" that you got a tip for about? What did Nadriel the creator have to say about the mission?

The dark templar were the only reason I was able to beat this on Nightmare mode. I would have my BCs rush in to blow up the cannons and observers before quickly bugging out and then let the dark templars tear apart their bases. I finally won the mission by destroying all of their detection on one corner of the vault and dropped a bunch of dark templar to blow up the vault. I think the mothership was made a detector in later patches so that probably wouldn't work again sadly.

Super late comment but I feel like Tychus shouldn't be available on this mission because lore-wise Jim took him off of this one specifically, it'd be a nice little touch.

I admire GGG's devotion to rocket launcher stealth even in the face of the mission screaming at you that cloaking is the counter.

It IS supposed to be perma-cloaking. Seems like the upgrade either didn't work, or you didn't load the right save.

Why were comments disabled on the last video? Did something bad/dumb/cringe happen?

It's morbin time

I really wish that you hadn't gone infantry on this because what's the point of having cool new unit changes if you just run bio ball instead of futzing around with the changed units :(

The fact that the grant's guys have shields makes this mission... much easier.

Ngl for this mission i just made like 84 ghosts and 10 nuke silos bc of the lack of detection

My answer to the Mothership vortex is usually to just drop all of my units into it on purpose. That way my army isn't split up.

Anyone know what happened to the comments in the previous part 19 vid?

The Hercules is sooo good, it's sad that we can't try the predators along with Hercules

The cannons are for making DTs good, not dropship.

When are Diamondbacks going to get their day in the sun :

Backup ability… you mean walking?

The medics still have auto-turrets right? Can those hit air?

Noo, no mothership kill?.. :( kay...

Real shame you didn't go for the mothership

i wonder how many of these missions are possible with just the hero's.

How do these videos always start with more money than the last one ended with?

The last mission where the Dominion was actually competent was based AF.

I like how Grant just forgot/ignored the fact the Vault is shielded until the Mothership is destroyed even when it was kinda his idea for nightmare mode. Also, i don't think BCs are good even with the speed upgrade, missile frigates are still better IMO, they have less HP but are cheaper and stronger (aside from yamato)

And so the terran hero James raynor was left on Sigma Quadrant as an exchange for piece of strange artifact which potentially may or may not save his beloved Sarah Kerrigan. Totally worth it. Btw there's no Hots in such universe since the plot with capturing James is non-existant.

"Cloaking isn't good because other bio aren't cloaked" Then don't make other bio XD It's actually a good idea for this mission, there's not a lot of detection.

Can we have a mission of condor bikes?

Din't kill the mothership call that a fail !

27:00 Yes, that's what flanked means.

Once you get the full airforce unlocked (especially when they work together) you've got a really sturdy force that the ai doesn't really have a good answer against. The BC's extra range is really nice too. You can hit aa without being at risk.

When I played this, the spectre made it a cakewalk. One force to get rid of detection, and then actually cloaking the spectres made them able to snipe anything. 5 spectres, a few BCs and missile frigates wrecked it all.

The heroes really don't synergise well with other spellcasters in terms of micro - Grant got psionic lash and didn't use it once because he'd have to tab three times before selecting the spectres.

Mission: wants you to use bc's Modder: thinks bc and dt should work together Anyone that plays this: cloak only units or bust or Haha mass infantry go brrrrr

I kinda want to play this mission and just use a ghost to emp things and let the ripfields kill them. Assuming they still have emp. I forget if that was changed or not. Also not sure if emp hits buildings, but i really hope it does.

I am disappointed, Grant!

1:45 Wow those shields recharge _super_ fast. Has it always been like that or is it special for BC (or high supply)?

btw I'm pretty sure the dropship also has th wraith anti air attack

I really like the way the Herc works as a production structure. It actually feels Zerg-like, where you just build one of each tech structure and then a bunch of Hercs to produce whatever you need.

Grant I think the sensor tower has scan.

For an alternative strat, u can nuke all their detection and spectre-DT-dropship to victory! (The mothership is somehow not a detector lol)

I dont know if you can say those dropships have "value". They have a use, yes. One, singular use.

0:40 - 0:46 I mean, it's a fair point.

Loving the series PS Hope to get to see the Science vessel more

So are we just not going to mention the absolute chad of a prism BMing Grant's main for like half the mission?

Well thats a fun mission. I ended up completing them mission with marines because I ran out of gas and gas units... Those infinite mineral patches are really helpful

Shame that wasnt the memes mothership

i wanted to see him do the bonus...

I believe you would have an easier time dealing with the most damaging variant of the protoss if you remember to use confusion.

I feel like the dropship is still hot garbaaage (said with a french accent) as soon as you get the herculeses it becomes irrelevant ;D

No sensor tower for range buff? 🥺

I like how unlike in the original campaign we're your units would take damage in the field and the protoss would not until you took down there shields I like how now with shields you only really have to focus on massing an army for the stealth option if they can't see me if there all dead

Infantry only? Oh geez, the casualties will be massive.

Oh u missed 50grand

That warp prism in your base, I swear the AI is trying to mock you or something, it's strange to see.

i like the fact that Jim's penetration rounds are just "the Jim shot" now

Let's goo

That mothershipper

Dammit Ji'nara, are you high on terrazine again?

How did the DTs get jailed? Lol They have blink

Grant forgot to takedown the mothership this mission and missed out on bonus credits

I don’t think I lost too much during archon wave and when fight ended he had more units than at the start

Can the bc fire whilst moving?

Shoulda had the permanent cloak so they can move with the DT'S