@@Onigirli I took it as Namond trying to show Michael he wasn't a bitch by showing how hard he was by picking on Dukie. Namond probably felt inadequate after punking out the night before. Could be interpreted either way I suppose.
Colvin aka Bunny did save Naemond but dont forget who made that decision...it was WeeBey that told Yolanda you gone let go of tht boy on God! He threaten her saying whereever she go Balitmore Cleveland or whereever it's his word tht would find her and kill her
@@davidnoonan998 "Where's Wallace" He's a boxer now, training with Rocky Balboa. But that's after he played high school in West Texas and temporarily pulled Offa coup detat in Wakanda.
Looking back I can see why Namond made it out while his friends didn't. They made it clear that Michael didn't trust anyone especially the adults, Dukie had no stable support system neither did Randy who was chewed up by the system. Namond had Colvin who gave a enough of a damn about him that he went to his father an infamous hitman because his mother cared more about money than her son's wellbeing. And let's not forget Michael slapped him out of a fantasy.
Also WeeBey this infamous hitman actually allowed Bunny to take his son in knowing that he could give him a better opportunity than Weebey ever had.Despite not ever marrying Walanda,WeeBey was always in Namond’s life.
That's the thing about the Wire, it's never about who deserves it but how their individual choices, societal pressures and just plain luck shapes everyone. In the end, it was the fact that Namond was willing reach out to Cutty and Colvin for help and reject his mother's pressure that lead him to going on the right path.
@@denverbritto5606 naw Randy fucked himself up being a snitch. The boys who got accused eventually got off. You see them in later episodes back in school. But Randy was a lil bitch.
What made the Wire such an amazing show was not just the gritty realism it packed, but its unpredictability. The kid who seemed most likely like a product of the game and had the smallest chance of making it out, was the kid who actually did. Kids like Michael, who we thought were smart enough to not turn to a criminal life fell into those ranks, and Dukie who seemed to have the best chance of actually escaping the horrors of Baltimore, ended up turning to a lifestyle similar to that of Bubbles. While its heartbreaking to see, and so god damn depressing, it shows that this is something that happens in those neighborhoods. No happy endings, everything goes to shit. We all fall down
+™ ™ Whoa time out. How Dukie have the best chance of escaping the horrors of Baltimore? Do you not remember his home life situation? He was basically homeless. No parents, no guidance, living in poverty and drugs. He was the longest shot of the kids to make it out. As for Michael, he got trapped in the game. Remember his home life wasn't some picnic either. His mother was a crackhead and his stepfather molested him. In his eyes he had no choice but to go to the streets. School wasn't going to do it for him, not in the short term. And then there's Randy. Man oh man did he catch a tough break. Foster man hospitalized, labeled a snitch in the hood and sent back to a group home which might as well be juvenile detention. It was bleak for all these kids. Namond made it out on pure luck of finding an adult who cared enough about him (Colvin).
I actually think that the show portrays essentially the theme that those with the best home life have the best chance. Namond's mother wanted him to be a Soldier to honour Wee-Bey whom she clearly loved. Thing is Namond never had it in him and likely in large part because Wee-Bey managed to get to a level where he provided for his family. Maybe they lived in the Hood but they were not poor. Brianna cut a sizeable cheque for Wee-Bey's family every month and because of this Namond always has everything he needs and the coolest sneakers and clothes etc. as well. Wee-Bey was a dangerous soldier in part because he grew up 'Hungry'. For him climbing the ranks in The Game was the only way up but Namond was never hungry in the same way. Despite appearances and expectations, he was actually privileged. Up until the moment he became a teenager and Delona started trying to mold him into a Soldier he had lived a life that might not have been to far from what a middle-class kid in the suburbs might have experienced.
I certainly think you're right that Namond narrowly missed ending up in The Game and I definitely agree that if he had he'd soon be dead. So Namond was lucky to find Colvin who saw his potential and was willing to go to bat for him and save him from the path his parents were sending him down. On the other hand Namond, partly because he was a smart kid, and partly because he was essentially privileged, was in a position to be able to grasp that opportunity when it crossed his path. Dukie and Micheal both had people outside of the Game try and reach out to them. Prezbo in Dukie's case and...err...what was the Boxing coaches name? He tried to reach out to Micheal. Both Micheal and Dukie were unable to take the help that was offered in large part because of their backgrounds. Micheal felt he needed his Step Father dead and Dukie tried to find a job but of course failed and had to find another means of survival. It is possible that Dukie really did have an out. Maybe if he had gone to Prezbo with his situation Prezbo might have been able to find him more support - not even sure if that would have worked. Presumably, Prezbo was willing to help but likely not to the point of taking him in. If Dukie had come from a more privileged background just maybe Prezbo considers taking him in. Note that Namond goes to Colvin's home and is able to win over Colvin's wife with his well-mannered behaviour. Namond easily adapts to Colvin's middle class life style in a way that Micheal and Dukie probably can't do because Namond has essentially been living an alternative version of a middle class life style.
Single parent children with no fathers have significantly higher chances of becoming a criminal or unsuccessful. This is why I hate when people think anyone can just get out of the ghetto if they "try hard enough". They dont understand that so much of your capacity is molded by your environment.
Desmond Logan but Namond had a father in his life. He was in jail but still a very major influence on him. Stop it. Single parent homes isn't the end all be all for these problems. Look at Michael being molested by his stepfather. That wasn't a single parent household. It's way deeper than that. Lots of these kids have both parents around and still succumb. Stop that single parent babble bs. That may be the case sometimes but Black men are not the most absentee fathers, statistically. There's psychological conditions that go into it as well. It's all about being FIT enough to even take care of a child in the first place, which a lot of these adults ARE NOT, as we see with Namond's lazy, self-indulgent mother. As well as Brianna Barksdale with how she raised D'Angelo (he also had Avon as a father figure, of sorts, and both weren't the best influences). Dukie's mother AND father were together and got faded all the time to the point of completely neglecting and eventually abandoning their child.
A lot of people hated Naymond on the show but he was one of my favorite characters. Good character development, I noticed they pretty much dropped him and Randy in S5 and kept Michael and Dukie around.
I'm probably the only Wire fan in the world who's favorite Boy of Summer is Namond. Yes, he was a douche for most of season 4, but think about the position he was in. He was expected by his parents to be built for the streets, so he was forced to create the illusion that he was all that. The very first time we see him we know he's not interested in being a gangster. More than Mike, Randy, or Dukie, Namond was forced to lie to himself. I loved the fact he got a happy ending.
It's easy to like Michael because he's cool. And Randy because he's good. And Dukie because he's poor (and good). But I like Namond because he was a spoiled poser. He was the worst character. He got punked by Sherrod, and moved his corner. But he still had to act hard because none of his peers saw it. He cowered from a fight with Kenard, and then went back to bully Dukie with the same "Gump" shtick. He was the weakest character on the show, and I know it would be the last character I want to play. That makes me like the character. Same for E.B. Farnum from Deadwood.
Namond was robbed of his choice to be himself. From the beginning it was evident whilst he was being a total asshole BUT I understand WHY. He was trying to protect his true self. He ment no harm but was only trying to camouflage his true self in order to simply survive. His father was a killer and his mother was an opportunist...so your birth was used for furtherance of her agenda. That in itself should have been soul crushing. But from prison and police (father's) he arose from the concrete to be better than both.
@@sakuraba86 the weakest character was D by far bro. He turned his back on Bey because of some beef he had with Avon. Not only that, lying about catching a body to Bodie and Wallace to seem harder than he was.
I'm surprised that this is unpopular. Namond's mom is abusive. Trying to force her kid to drop outta school and all that so he can work the corners. Wee-Bey isn't even in the picture anymore. All Namond needed was a good parent or two.
Glad Bunny put Namond on the right track, he's so much different than what he started out as. But I felt like no justice was served for Duquan and Randy, who were so likeable in Season 4. But it goes to show how not having a figure in your life to look up to and being surrounded by bad influences can really fuck up your life. Both boys never had a chance to redeem themselves. If Namond had stayed with his selfish mother who was forcing him into the drug game, he would've ended up dead.
exactly, each of the boys (including Michael) had positive qualities that could have led them to bright futures if they were in better circumstances, but only 1/4 made it, and it was because Namond was lucky enough to meet and bond with Colvin.
That's the whole point of Season 5 ending the way it did - Duquan became the new Bubbles, Michael's the new Omar and the cops keep trying the same crap and getting nowhere It shows the cyclical nature of the war on drugs. Was it season one where Herc and Carver had that line, "You can't even call this a war... wars end"?
And Randy lost his innocence and good personality after being labeled a snitch and sent back to a group home while the other kids except for Namond didn't make out of the streets
Well said! It really is terrible how things like this really happen, almost as the future for Michael, Duquan, and Randy were already written. It can be hard to escape ones social inheritance. I saw it in my own life enough. Coming from a poor area, underfunded schools, gang activity, unstable homes, limited access to resources and tools to succeed, and wider society judging you based on all of the above. And just like in The Wire very few people managed to escape the life, the vast majority fall victim to it at a very young age.
Randy, Dukie and Michael were all more sympathetic characters than Namond yet Namond is the one to hopefully escape the cycle. As Snoop once said, deserve got nothing to do with it.
yeah ..you often see it growing up in the hood ....dudes that bully ppl and sell drugs and kill ppl somehow get record deals or get picked over other ppl that are better at rapping and didnt do grimmy stuff. Normal ppl just get randomly killed or live check to check Krama comes back tho for some look at KingVon. One of my fav rappers but at the same time he did so much dirt its hard to feel bad.
Another shining example as to why Bunny Colvin is my favorite character on the show. The man saved lives during his police career (Hamsterdam) and saved lives with his educational consulting career (Namond). He is truly an angel whose humanity and selflessness are remarkable and praiseworthy. Amazing what happens when truly kind-hearted and intelligent individuals have autonomy instead of bureaucracy.
Wee Bay told the mother to stay away From Naymond. The mother was a piece of shit. Wee Bay redeemed himself and allowed his son to become more than just a hustler.
The same reason Namond made it out is the same reason he was able to skirt on the street. His father was Wee-bay. The respect Bunny had for Wee-bay led him to actually care about Namond. Being a cop didn’t bring Bunny happiness, and for all the work Wee-bay put in he ended up in jail. Namond represented a way for both Bunny and Wee-bay to collectively make an actual difference by rescuing a boy from the hood.
Yes ...if they could change Nay and make him great Nay could touch dozens of others and change their lifes. Even thur all the crazy policing and gang shit they both went thur if they could turn Nay it would of all been worth it
Yeah, I agree that Namond isn't the next D'Angelo. Both are similar in that their hearts aren't in the game, but Namond got out of it, whereas D'Angelo didn't.
the only reason I love how namond story ended was because I'm thinking how proud weebey is amd how he made the right decision with letting namond go with bunny colvin...yeah it woulda been nice to see duke get the happy ending or randy...hell Michael deserved it.. but I'm glad it was namond In the end.. it had so many layers to it between weebey and bunny being involved .. idk I can't explain
Literally the last of the season 5 kids that I thought would make it. Just goes to show that ALL of those kids had potential and could have thrived under the right conditions.
The wire was such captivating writing. After so many years off the air. There are so many lessons, innuendos, and messages. We the viewers can observe, can't believe the smallest details of an episode. Namond was a spoiled entitled child who was only respected primarily because of his father’s reputation. De’londa was the same way. Namond needed a chance, which is why he went to Bunny who offered him stability, structure, and the one thing namond’s own mother couldn't give an that's acceptance. De’londa couldn't accept her son didn't have an ounce of weebay killer mentality. This debate that namond takes part in, the look on his new parents' face exhibits pride. If our disadvantaged children get a chance in life, the potential is indefinite. It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. Fredrick Douglas
Amazing how one year with a real mother and father has changed this boy. It makes you wonder how many of those poor kids with parents like Micheal or Dukie would be brain surgeons or rocket scientists if they had the right influence
@@YG-rr6zv hes a kid man, hating a kid for being born in that envriornemnt is clown behaviour. Namond actually asked for help, the other kids had the opportunity to and refused
The Bunny/Namond story arc hit me right in the feels. The season 4 kids really got me emotionally all the way to the end. Especially Dukie becoming the new Bubbles. That was sad as hell. Michael being the new Omar was awesome though.
I once read that the only area of academics where the US outranks other countries is public speaking and debate. No other country's education system emphasizes public speaking and debate _nearly_ as much as the United States does.
@@myronsanders4563 what's crazy is that I came back to this scene because I JUST realized the same thing in that season 4 episode. When I made the initial comment, I didn't even pay attention to the similar quotes. Rewatching it now substantiates my logic 🤯🤯🤣
@rudysmustache Namond wasn't a douche, really. His parents were both just forcing him into a life that not only did he not want, but he wasn't built for, so he was frustrated. With Colvin looking after him he'll turn out fine.
He was the son of a notorious gang member, and was expected to not only follow in his footsteps, but do so immediately. Had he gone that way, he would've ended up like the three characters that were forced into a life they didn't want: Wallace, Ziggy, and D'Angelo. He wasn't cut out for this life and he knew it, but his mother couldn't care less. He reached for a lifeline, and he was fortunate enough to have people outside of his family that cared for him. What makes Season 4 great is the four diverging paths the four kids take. They all have their quirks and possess incredibly engaging personalities, but they all lose their innocence along the way and only one made it out...and it wasn't because he was smarter than them or possessed something more extraordinary than the other three, but because of luck. He was fortunate to get into that class, build a bond with Colvin, and have that connection with Cutty. He got lucky, and sometimes that's how life works. It's brilliant!
I've just been thinking about one thing: when Cutty is introduced to the show, it is said that he killed a man called "Elijah Davis"... I thought this man could be related to Clay Davis. That would be some odd common point with Namond then: both of them would have come from families involved in the game, and both of them would have become politicians... I just hope that Namond would not become a piece of shieeeet like Clay Davis...
His last scene follows this one where Carcetti talks to Bunny and Namond is impressed that the Mayor knows Bunny's name and seems to respect him. Namond is impressed and its hinted that he's inspired and would have an in if he chooses to get political down the road.
the futures of kids in bad environments often depend on luck randy was a good kid but lil kevin got him involved in some shit which caused his foster mom to get killed and he ended up in a group home which is like living in a juvenile detention centre whereas namond was mean and a bully and he was wee bay's son and his selfish mother made him to work on the corner, if it wasn't for colvin and his class no doubt namond would have on the streets
I latched onto this scene so hard, knowing damn well Namond and Colvin will be some of the only characters with a happy ending and after this we go back to Duke suffering and Michael descending.
I see people carrying this disdain for Namond and his good fortune, but, I for one cannot think of a more worthy recipient of this blessing. There may have been characters as deserving, but even still, none more so than Namond Bryce. When considering the fact that he had an absent father whose notoriety loomed over him (which over the course of his life would have been much more of curse than a blessing) and an atrocious mother, whenever the opportunity presented itself for Namond to prove that he could be a productive citizen outside of confines of the cutthroat concrete jungle he rose to the challenge, every single time. Namond was the most realistic of the four boys from season 4. He was a mislead boy, which is not surprise when you consider his best source of guidance turned out to be his sociopathic murderous father (until of course Mr. and Mrs.). Namond has the most common pressures of young black males, single parent home with an incarcerated/absent father being raised in a poor area with a bad school system to match. Namond didn't necessarily catch breaks that he didn't deserve, it more that when pressed for answer you can't really think of a kid who doesn't deserve the pretty basic and fair chances that only he ended up receiving. Namond wasn't the only one who showed potential, he was the only who got a chance to use it beyond the savage limitations of inner-city Baltimore. Lastly, when you look at Delonda Bryce's position in his life, she has the most realistic expectations of her son (from a societal standpoint, at least). Society looks at a kid like Namond and expects him to act out, the police looks at him as a probable criminal, the school system consider him a dead end from the jump, and he and his peers are very much O.K. with being soldiers. It is even reflected by the comments from viewers years later into these discussions, we often see and profile the Namond types in exactly the same light as his mother does. The truth is as exactly as The Wire showed it to be, and the real bad guys aren't exactly who we initially assume them to be.
At least Namond found himself. damn near everybody on youtube think they gangsta jus for watchin the wire., always have a fuccin comment bout somn they'll never do in real life. i felt it needed posting
HarryUnchained mike did become the next kingpin he wanted to run the whole shit that’s why he had to get rid of bug by sending him to his auntie and duke he had to let him go bc duke was no offense but dead weight duke would have been killed or worse if he had stayed with mike and mike knew that
I'd love to see a one shot 90min episode of The Wire focused around the kids of season 4. Namond would be the big shot defense attorney who graduated from Georgetown who is now trying to make a name for himself in the local political scene. Michael is what Omar use to be. Dookie would be the new Bubbles. In and out of rehab constantly after OD'ing several times. Randy would be the new Prop Joe since that is his granduncle. Hardened by group homes in the foster system, joined the military, came home, and became one of the most imaginative yet brutally effective drug dealers. Now on the verge of becoming a major players in the Baltimore drug game. Carver would be a Major, as would Shakeema as they are career police.
They could make a movie sequel called Saving Dukie. Namond is a major political player and he meets Michael by chance who tells him Dukie is still alive like Bubbles. He basically goes on an incredible journey to save him. Maybe with Prezbos help.
Honestly, Namond, likely a City Commisioner in his Future would see Dukie walking the Streets while driving by and think "That's Duke? I remember picking on him growing up. Im not surprised how he ended up" and just laugh to himself
I'm glad Namond got out from under Delonda's thumb, but I wish it would of been Dukie that would of been giving a chance to do something, cause that kid had a heart of gold and Namond pissed me off with his attitude back in season 4
Did anyone listen to what Namond said as Carcetti was walking in? While he was taking up all the attention, Namond said that the monies should be split between health care treatment & education. But......Namond represents a people who can't vote, so I guess he and the rest of Baltimore city youths don't matter. Business as usual
Of the four Season 4 kids, Namond was the biggest douche. But he's the only one that makes it out of the shit. Life's not fair and that's the beauty of The Wire.
Out of all those boys, I liked Namond the least. He was the spoiled and stuck-up kid but ends up getting the Annie ending. To him who has, more will be given, I guess.
Bunny gave the city of Baltimore all he had. He did everything he could to save those street kids, but the system always stopped him. In the end, he could only save one.
I hear people saying naymond didn't deserve to come out the way he did as opposed to the other kids but that's very harsh to say given the circumstances the kid faced. His father a criminal well known and the pressure for him to keep his father's reputation alive (being his son and all) was too much. He realized that life was not for him but he didn't no anything else. When Mr colvin showed him real love he began to be himself and the rough exterior he put on slowly faded away. He sought mr.colvin for help so that he could get out. He didn't use his environment as an excuse anymore. Michael was forced to be a man before his time to take care of his little brother and mother. Having been molested as a child I know that would have caused him to be the way he is in terms of not wanting to get to close to people and his inability to express how he feels. This is shown when cutty tries to be there for him but Michael ends up shunning him and thinking he is too friendly and must be gay. Michael carried the world on his shoulders and made his decision to be the way he was , he didn't look for a way out like namond he allowed his environment to make him cold. That is what he wanted. Duquan could have done so much better for himself but became like the people he had been living with a crack addict. It was unfortunate but he made the decision noone forced him. The only one I can say didn't deserve what he got was randy because randy tried to escape. He tried to get help and he tried to be a good young man. He didn't sell drugs , he wanted to sell candy to make money in school to make a honest earning. He was smart and caring and helpful even though sometimes a bit mischievous but all kids as , he was no means bad. After the situation with the police who failed to deal with the situation properly regarding Lil Kevin randy payed the price being called a snitch and suffered. His house was burnt as a result of the police failure to do their job right and he ended up in a home where nobody cared about him, a home full of kids and adolescents some of which beat him up. He became cold and hard like the environment around him. Carver wanted to adopt him and couldn't and then he just abandoned him. Randy unlike duquan and Michael didn't choose his life he wanted something else for himself but didn't get the opportunities that namond had and so was forced to stay where he was. Duquan and randy had opportunities to get out and didn't take it randy had none and namond took his.
The Wire was a good ass man show hands down....I like how the creators of the show focused on the kids and hinted who they will become like in the series. For example.... Michael became the new Omar. Namond was D'Angelo Barksdale: He just didnt go to jail and die like he did. Dukie became the new bubbles. Randy mite become the new Marlo: Hint to how he acts around Bunk in season 5 Kenard is the new Bird Hilton: Due to his foul mouth like Bird. and Donut just continues to jack cars.
SABBATIRE Randy is NOTHING like Bodie. If anything he's Wallace, but got lucky because Marlo's organization fell before he could be killed. Bodie would've never willingly given information about a murder at Randy's age. And why don't you like Marlo? He was one of the best characters.
Max X I don't even know. Not even the Wiki has the answers. I'd like to imagine him becoming a car mechanic after being arrested one last time for car theft. But I can imagine him dead on the streets via a car accident as well.
He wasn't really a major character to look into what happened to him, mostly just comic relief and a small catalyst for officer walkers attack by Michael. I imagine he kept on doing and if he didn't die in a wreck because of how much of a shit driver he was he probably became involved in some chop shop front for stolen cars
I see people carrying this disdain for Namond and his good fortune, but, I for one cannot think of a more worthy recipient of this blessing. There may have been characters as deserving, but even still, none more so than Namond Bryce. When considering the fact that he had an absent father whose notoriety loomed over him (which over the course of his life would have been much more of curse than a blessing) and an atrocious mother, whenever the opportunity presented itself for Namond to prove that he could be a productive citizen outside of confines of the cutthroat concrete jungle he rose to the challenge, every single time. Namond was the most realistic of the four boys from season 4. He was a mislead boy, which is not surprise when you consider his best source of guidance turned out to be his sociopathic murderous father (until of course Mr. and Mrs.). Namond has the most common pressures of young black males, single parent home with an incarcerated/absent father being raised in a poor area with a bad school system to match. Namond didn't necessarily catch breaks that he didn't deserve, it more that when pressed for answer you can't really think of a kid who doesn't deserve the pretty basic and fair chances that only he ended up receiving. Namond wasn't the only one who showed potential, he was the only who got a chance to use it beyond the savage limitations of inner-city Baltimore. Lastly, when you look at Delonda Bryce's position in his life, she has the most realistic expectations of her son (from a societal standpoint, at least). Society looks at a kid like Namond and expects him to act out, the police looks at him as a probable criminal, the school system consider him a dead end from the jump, and he and his peers are very much O.K. with being soldiers. It is even reflected by the comments from viewers years later into these discussions, we often see and profile the Namond types in exactly the same light as his mother does. The truth is as exactly as The Wire showed it to be, and the real bad guys aren't exactly who we initially assume them to be.
It may seem ironic on one had. It can also be seen on the other as a commentary on what could become of kids who come from troubled backgrounds if they are invested in rather than written off or lost to the system.
I'm going to be honest here. Wallace, Dukie, Bug and Randy deserved a happier ending than Namond. Namond didn't go through hell unlike the others and was a spoiled bully and a wimp. Yeah he had an overbearing mother but he lived in a life of luxury and comfort.
