avon was the big winner in the show. he sold the connect to marlo knowing he would fuck up, which he did, and now slim charles has the greeks until avon gets out of jail.
yes he did buy cheap, and won big as result but to be the main dope supplier in Md worth way more than 10m..they could make that back in good week maybe
thewickedpickett you seek I used to agree with what you are saying, however I now am going to have to disagree. Yes he used Avon’s name, and yes he had to pay in order to get a meeting, however, he only mentioned Avon’s name as a middle man sort of situation. He used it briefly. And only in order to show that Sergei is the man to deliver a message, and it isn’t as though Avon is giving him any advantage other than convincing Sergei. That being said, he’s leaving his name and reputation in Sergei’s ear, but I really don’t think Avon’s name was necessary, because the convincing was about Marlo being the next best thing to prop joe, and it had nothing to do with Avon,
thewickedpickett that's not true. Everyone has to come up through someone. If you dont meet anyone who can connect you, then you don't advance unless you somehow build a drug empire all on your own. You know, like growing the poppies and the coca plants, harvesting, shipping, packaging, diluting, distributing, clientel, dealing...all that shit. Sometimes you wire scholarship commenters crack me up...with all your super deep insight on the show, all breaking it down in spectacularly detailed fashion. But unless you actually lived the shit, don't act like you know....trust me, the shit ain't no game, and in real life not everyone who does this shit is the world's biggest tough guy. It's business, and sometimes you gotta use people to advance your position. Kill or be killed, that's how they think.
Dan Zalisnock you’re absolutely wrong. It certainly helps to have a third party mediator, and in organizations like the Italian mob, it’s actually a written rule, that a third made man has to make introductions. However, often times ones reputation is enough. He has plenty of a reputation wholesaling packages the he distributes. If every single business connection, and potential,deal rested on there being a third party who knows everyone intimately, then most deals would never happen. So don’t beleive everything you’ve seen on tv. And your claim about being in the game sounds like bullshit. I’ve seen some pretty substantial weight sold to complete strangers once they were asked around about, and their reputation came to light. And if you watch the behind the scenes about this episode in particular, you will see that it was absolutely the creators intention to show that Avon was the king of Baltimore, and Marlo stood no chance without him. So next time, instead of being a bitchy little asshole to us “wire scholars” perhaps you should take into consideration the simple fact that our love for the show leads us to seeking extra information regarding the series, the hidden meanings and messages written between the lines. And nobody gives a flying fuck if you’ve ever lived “the game”. I’ve been in the dope game and done 3 years for its and you don’t see me using it as an excuse to try and talk down to others. Irritating little fucks like you think that those who haven’t been in that life are incapable of making observations? Nobody gives a fuck about your life. Clearly you were never anything more than a street dealer, and I doubt you had anything more than that. Probably buying and selling for an inflated price, not even connected enough to get that shit fronted. People like us who love the wire enjoy theorizing and having in depth conversations about the plot and meaning behind the meaning. And nobody gives a shit about people like you who claim to have “been in the game” when you probably never did anything more than sell pot to some fucking whites kids in the suburbs. Lol
I laughed my ass off when avon threw the "Westside" sign. He might have his differences with Marlo, but he'd still rather it be someone from his side of town calling the shots than someone from the Eastside.
I interpreted it as kind of sarcastic or like intentionally patronizing from Avon (seeing as Marlo killed so many of his people) but also seeing as in the earlier seasons Avon and Prop Joe represented West and East Baltimore, it was sort of a subliminal signal from Avon that he knew this was about more than just money to Marlo, it was about completely upending the power dynamic in the streets (by cutting out Prop Joe who was the only dealer the Greeks trusted and therefore ran the co-op) which was Marlo’s agenda more than merely making money.
@@jon8004uite the opposite-he was patronizing him letting him believe he was in charge -then just as he predicted given his experience with stringer Marlo would either fuck up or abandon the business aspect because he had no real head for it-meantime the connect he sold to Marlo goes to Slim Charles who is loyal to Avon-so ultimately Avon still the overall boss from a long game point of view
The eastside fuck him and stringer up I don't think he will ever forget that. I mean it was stringers fault also but prop Joe was the one yapping in stringers ear you know
Wood Harris's performance in this, is like James Gandolfinis in the Sopranos; can't imagine anyone else playing the part. Imo both of them are legends.
Sergei did not want to make any deal with Marlo for several reasons. First, he liked Proposition Joe personally, as seen in Season 2, and he knew what would happen if he gave someone like Marlo a line to the Greeks. Second, he agreed with Proposition Joe's mindset, of treating it like business. As scary as the Greeks were, all of their decisions made logical sense from a business perspective. They didn't want a reputation or to be known at all, they considered that juvenile. Finally, Marlo called him Boris. lol.
PokerFace46 Thats whats so great about the wire, some people get confused about a scene, others interpret their own way. The reason I think they started doing business with was that Marlo had found out about The Greeks he would not take no for an answer, as The old Greek said after Marlo left the restaurant, that he will keep coming back if they didnt take his money. So they had no other option than saying yes to Marlo after he killed joe.
Salam A. And you get the feeling that Vondas and The Greek knew that Marlo was much more of a hazard than Prop Joe. Do you remember season 5 when they were in the restaurant and Vondas said "he is no Joe" and the Greek almost looked sad and said "no, he is no Joe". So maybe it's to show that even they got screwed in a way. And didn't know that Marlo has Joe killed.
Jazzi Hill Yes I do, but I think they definitely knew Marlo had Joe killed, or else it wouldnt make any sense that he all of sudden contacts them right before Joe is killed and they dont raise any questions. The reason they probably didnt get Marlo killed is because its none of their business, and if you are smart enough to find out about them and do all the things Marlo did just to have a meeting with them, then of course they will do business with you. The smarter partner they have the smaller chance it is to get caught.
This was one of the few scenes where Marlo not only had little leverage but he also had to negotiate like a straight businessman instead of on his street rep as a killer because Sergei didn't care.
In his country, that level would be good but strict private school at best. With more gay sex of course. Boris already has date for prom night. Big black man called Tiny with the biggest tits this side of Saint Petersburg.
Fuckin Avon. He wanted Marlo to get to the greeks. He knew if Marlo did that, he would take out prop joe, and eventually marlo would fuck up the connect letting in fall into whose hands? Slim charles, who's of course an OG member of avons crew. So Avon gets out, he's right back on top, and he squeezed a hundred K out of the deal just because, for appearances sake. The king stay the king. Actin all friendly toward Marlo, played that fool hard.
+Andrew Li Well Avon he says "fuck all them eastside bitches" the first time Marlo came to visit him. I do believe it was a big thing to him, but not to Marlo. Marlo could care less about the whole east-west beef. He cared about being king period.
Andrew Li ***** You are on it Andrew, or at least I agree with you. Avon and Prop joe, prior to the setup, were more of colloquial business enemies. Such would be the case of two warring burger joints. I think they may of even had some mutual respect for each other. Avon talking shit at the basketball game is just Avon being Avon. Fluffing his mane so to say. Andrew it never dawned on me that Avon would have a new hate toward Prop Joe because of the set up. After all he really didn't even take part in it. He was more guilty of it in a sin of omission type of way. And i'm pretty sure Avon said, "Prop Joe Package". I thought he had just realized that Stringer needed to take out Mouzone in order to keep the deal going that he had with Prop Joe. Does this make Prop Joe as guilty as it makes Stringer?
Andrew Li Avon didn't know Prop Joe was invovled with that I don't believe? In fact Prop Joe even told Stringer "this your problem" and declined to help Stringer with the Mouzone problem.
+Andrew Li I'm pretty sure it was just stringers idea. also, there's no way Avon knew that joe helped stringer get to omar, because Avon was looking for omar forever. I think Avon just realized when he said, 'prop joe package' that somehow stringer put omar against mouzone because stringer knew this was the only way to keep the deal he made with prop joe going. we didn't see any evidence of Avon knowing Joe's involvement. Joe just gave a drowning man some stones and told him they would float.
"In my country, this is not prison, this is nothing" - LOL I can relate. A cell in Nigeria, you wont even have clothes, not to talk of a white tee and actual prison
@@forsuper6836 shitttttttt i remember I went to visit my country which is turkey 🇹🇷 back in 2006 nd I seeing alot of ppl was watching this show lol I was like damnnn🤣🤣🤣
My greatest fear is to go back to my country (Peru) and get arrested over something stupid and have to go to jail. 10 to a cell and barely any food. And then you have the gangsters and terrorist groups.
Barksdale and Marlo were a complete contrast of eachother. Avon had a code of ethics he lived by even in such a terrible business, and was even an active member of his community which showed he had human in him. Marlo was just pure evil down to the bone
Yeah man Marlo was just pure greed, and if you stepped in his way you were almost guaranteed to make his hit list, no matter if you were a kingpin or the police. That boy was ice cold. Avon on the other and like you said had a code, kind of like Omar, he was every bit as fearless and intelligent, but wasn't completely driven by his ego like Marlo Stanfield. Best criminal/action series in the history of television imo besides The Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy is good too but HBO seems to have the most believable.
A code ? That is pure ghetto-speak junk, Avon sold out his best friend Stringer to another hitter. The Code says Avon should man up and do Stringer himself. Avon and his crew killed civilians, each other and cops.
Chuck.Raney Raney Avon didn't sell him out....mouzone would have probably killed him anyway. Avon did everything to try and avoid stringer getting killed. stringer snitched just cause.
Chuck.Raney Raney Yeah alright I see your point, and so in that case someone who I think strictly had more of a a code would be Omar Little, in which he never put his gun on anyone who wasn't involved in the game, and of course it didn't necessarily make him a good person, or justify his actions, but it gave me at least a reason to see him as the anti-hero. In the case of Avon, Marlo, and Stringer, they either did or didn't play by the rules, maybe that's a better term then code. The reason Avon sold Stringer out was because of what Stringer originally did to try and set up Brother Mouzone by telling Omar Brother tortured his boy Brandon, and he essentially got what he had coming because he wasn't paying by the rules, and that he also sold Avon out to the cops to prevent a gang war. Then at the same time Avon gave up Stringer for what he did to Marlo and Mouzone, and I finally caught how the producers set it up in the last episode (or second to last) where they both are taking to each other, knowing that in their heads they both had something to hide, both being sold out. Marlo was straight up not playing by the rules at all, in which he would kill anyone, and i mean anyone, who got in his way, but he was smart so he got away with it for a while.
The first time Marlo goes to visitation to see Sergei, he gets told number 2 and Avon shows up, reminding him that Avon is still the number 1. He settles it with Avon and this time around, he sits at the number 1 table with Sergei and Avon almost acting as his backup. The attention to detail and the amount of hidden clues in the Wire is astounding
Dude...what? You're looking into this scene WAAAYYY too much with that repetitive comment about the creators attention to detail. The Wire is a great show with a lot of fantastic scenes that really stand out and should be analyzed, but your analysis of this scene is just weird and really reaching...
Think how SMART Avon is to kill two birds with his move. He got rid of his enemy Joe. & he knew Marlo was too dumb to hold on to the Greek connect without getting caught. Who we saw talking to Vondas at the season 5 ending. That's right Slim Charles (i aint cut out to be no CEO). This mean the connect came back to Avon's camp.
Oz Rico-Navarro Those extra years weren’t really resolved before the show ended. Maybe Levy was able to get him off those charges because his crew claimed that those were their weapons. But the Wirepedia says that Avon only had to finish his original sentence.
@A D All Stringer did was give him the location of the safehouse. With the guns in there. He didn't tell him anything else or tie him to any bodies. And like mentioned before, another guy ate the gun charges. Avon gets parole violation and finishes his sentence.
It's hilarious to me that Marlo assume Sergei bank wasn't full while he was locked up. He probably didn't even notice the money Marlo was putting in there.
I love how Sergei shows Marlo ZERO respect , calls him a gangbanger and is basically belittling him the entire time. So much so that Marlo has to actually cut him off and mention Avon's name. Only then does Sergei reluctantly agree to help Marlo out. Avon is and always will be The King. The reason is because he played the game the right way and always followed the rules of the game.
I appreciate how the camera doesn’t pan to Avon when Sergei looks back at him at 1:18 and we get to see Avon’s subtle gesture in the background. I feel like that helps the scene maintain it’s organic flow.
The fact that Avon is just standing there is BOSS as fuck You know damn well in prison you don't get to just hang around like that lol Avon runs that fucking prison
@@sa-mp5iwAvon is probably the only person Marlo actually respects. He doesn’t speak or act to Avon the way he acted towards Joe, Stringer or anyone else. Actually, Avon and Slim Charles seem to be the only people Marlo respected to any degree.
@@seanward8974Avon and wee-bey naturally for respect . Bodie had mad respect for bey and that’s why bodie never dud namond the way he and poot did Wallace . My theory is namond was the new Wallace but bunny took namond out the game. Namond would of ended up dead or in jail if it wasn’t for bunny
My read on this is that Avon is straight-up trolling Marlo with the 'W' sign. It's definitely not respect. At this point, I'd say that Avon had Marlo clocked as a humorless hard-case whose power-via-raw-fear tactics weren't going to last forever.
@@cleomagoolando I don’t think trolling more like playing him for an ally when he’s basically banking on marlo taking out prop joe then going down himself.
John Cohle doing about four years left on a seven year bid that should have been upwards of 25 to life and coming out to straight cash. Sorry. Gotta respect the hustle.
He did want him to win, they're westside. Hence the "W". Avon can disconnect the connect at anytime. He used Marlo for name credit, just as Marlo was doing. Avon got 4 kings (prop Joe, sergei, stringer bell, and Marlo) under his belt and ran chess on them all, while locked the fuck up. The game is the game...
@@brionbraziel7968 i dont think he did. I think he wanted Marlo to knock out Joe, or at least screw him a little and then get caught. Marlo didn't have a Stringer Bell or the mindset or infrastructure to upscale like that. It was only a matter of time before the Greeks came back to Avon's camp anyhow. He was playing Marlo I think
@@nomongosinthaworld What plan? Marlo's West Side, just like Avon. That's all that this was about. Anything else is in your head because it was never stated or hinted at.
This one of the scenes that I point to when people try to compare the wire to anything else. No one, and I mean no one comes close to Wood Harris playing a kingpin. The wire is just so exceptional, my favorite show of all time
Intoxicated Gray Hulk aka Mr. Fixit I agree. It was made clear multiple times that Chris was no fool. And he wasn’t only muscle either, but was Marlo’s lieutenant and 2nd in command. He was a thinking man.
The best part of this awesome scene is Avon hyping these two up in the background like yeah look what I did I'm so proud of myself I'm so proud of YALL 🤣
If you notice around 1:06 Marlo did two things.... 1.) He kept his cool when ole greek boy was snuffin' em out, 2.) He appealed to the greek's best interests and not once did he appeal to the greek's mercy (that's called exercising the laws of power).
Awesome observation. I assume you are referring to that book "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene. There's numerous rules to how to win over opponents and this was a very smart reply by Marlo to Sergei's hostility and baiting. Well done for pointing that out sir!
alexrpeters Thanks homes, I like to watch this series over and over to spot the power moves. This one, though very small, has implicitly taught a valuable lesson of life in my opinion.
When Avon surprised Marlo at the jail someone pointed out that Marlo is told to sit at ‘number 2’ a subtle way to say he isn’t in control in the situation and then I’ve watched this and Marlo sits at number one since now he has the connect, he is the man. That’s definitely intentional. I know people blow things out of proportion with this show but that is genuinely amazing lol
nah the greeks are heavy drugdealers. they are some of the boss of all bosses, but avon reads the game perfectly. he makes the right moves, just surrounded by some idiots.
Death Rager The crew we meet in season 1 was great. They got it done! But the ones in season 3 weren’t, except Slim. At least that muscle that Stringer’s cheap ass hires. But Avon eventually got better hitters as the season wore on.
The only reason Avon lost was cause his soldiers were not the brightest and Stringer flipped. If Avon would have stayed on the street then Marlo would have been killed. Avon was coming home in 5 and still had the respect, connects and the longevity. Like Wee Bey said. Marlo is a punk and would have gotten it early if Barksdale pre season 1. Avon way better than Marlo.
Not really - avon had horrible soldiers (outside of cutty, and s. Charles) avon =old school, marlo had chris and snoop (and other trained soldiers) of which we could list - marlos campaign (as stated by david simon himself) was a "insurgent" campaign...take the corners by force, meanwhile while marlos crew had their shit in check, all in line, training soldiers keeping them fit, marlo kept his cards close to his chest, played it tight, avon and stringer had inner turmoil, issues - they didn't care about their underlings as much...and the streets in a sense became disconnected - I have a feeling even if Avon hadn't got busted due to stringer snitching out the safe house - you never know what could of happened - as Marlo said "mah...barksdale weak today...and they aint worth the ammunition im holding" well all your saying is "what if's" fact is avon didn't win, went to prison, stringer died, best muscle exited the game - and marlo took over (sure he didn't have the crown for long, few months/a year at best) but where as stringer chulked up and now maggot pie, and avon doing hard-time (lost his sister, his organization, probably only a average amount of money in his canton account) fact is marlo got out of the game (or that's the impression they give you) towards the end of the show - chris gets locked up for good just like wee-bey - life w/o parole marlo takes care of chris' "people" and marlo stays out of prison, and with ALL his money - marlo got what stringer always wanted to be out of the game "done with that gangsta stuff" w/ loads of money (which in turn he could do anything with) cause the feds/local law enforcement joint-task force WASNT going to go after marlos money, and material possessions - he got "1" window to jump out of, 1 chance to walk away scot-free due to the whole situation w/ Maurice levy/the ADA (and the prosecution) of marlos people...the case was dirty, fraudulent wire-taps etc, etc - case must of been dirty as hell as Maurice pointed out to whats her name ginger - the one mcnulty used to fuck..she becomes a judge at the end of the show..well marlo if anything had better luck then other ones, 28 bodies, kingpin of the west side, took over prop joes connect, won the war against avon and the entire barksdale organization, drops bodie and other subordinates and YET walks away scot free with a few million in profits (overseas accounts, etc, etc) shit...that doesn't (IF) ever happen reguardless if were talking fictional or non fictional so in marlo the tv characters fate I see him in another city maybe not playing it 100% straight but ALIVE and WELL OFF nonetheless hell that's the most you can ask for ...in that game, the dope game that never happens "no happy endings" to this shit...yet its the closest thing you can get...to be "out" w/ a steady stream of income and ability to live comfortably...avon was a good leader, but to me alittle bullheaded and didn't see the bigger picture at times, marlo was just young and ruthless stringer if anything had the copulation, smarts, and somewhat street wit about him...all mixed into a blender, but he was greedy and playing far too many games...that's what got him jammed up and ultimately got him dropped. happens to the best I suppose...but nobody really wins, but the closest thing to being successful and alive is marlo in the case of this show when it comes to the criminal element.
When Avon had Wee-Bey, Stinkum, and Bird he would have been in a much better position to take on Marlo & Co., and may have beaten them - interesting to ponder. Unfortunately, thanks mostly to Omar, that strength went away, and the quality of "muscle" that replaced them (Gerard & Sapper, for example) wasn't up to the task. Slim and Cutty in his prime, maybe, but Cutty didn't have it in him after 14 years in the slam. I would LOVE to have seen Brother Mouzone brought into the picture against Marlo, but that would have been a stretch on the part of the writers. If anyone cares to see a lethal drug lord in action, check out the Luther Mahoney character on Homicide: Life on the Street - now, there is a drug lord to be taken very, very seriously.
michael stillwell What the fuck are you talking about? Slim Charles was about to run up and blow Marlo's fucking head off. All that stopped him was the raid,and not getting the OK from Avon.
Avon wore the crown for a long time. Marlo had it for like 10 minutes .....Avon is a legend there Marlo isn't .....Avon at his best beats Marlo at his best without breaking a sweat...,Marlo just caught him at the right time ....Kobe was better than Jordan when Jordan was with the wizzards but who will go down as the better player ?
Imagine if the would’ve done a few episodes on the sopranos and the wire with the barksdale crew meeting and having business with the soprano crew!! How epic
avon was like the aizen of this show, "All according to plan", let me explain how Avon knew marlo was gonna fuck up the supply he got from the Greeks, killing prop joe was the start of his eventual downfall and Avon knew this so in order to take out BOTH of his rivals in one shot (which obviously happened) he gave Marlo the connect.
Maybe he just did it for 100 grand. Prop Joe was his opposition but not to the level of wanting to kill him. East Side is another world to Avon Its as simple as Avon is the kingpin in the prison everything has to go threw him. As he did not know the Greeks on the outside. Avon got paid. He even kind of respected Marlo for the fact he was Westside. Even after there war he ecsepted the games the game
+geoff Oh Hell Yeah!Me & the wifey was like,''My God,what have you done?!'' The 1st time we saw this.Avon was on some ''Cry Havoc,& let loose the dogs of war'' shit right here!
While Avon may have wanted to shiv Marlo over their war, he gave his word he'd set Marlo up with Sergei if he paid up. A most tactful move by Avon, showing everyone that when he conducts business, he's able to set his personal issues aside and uphold his end of a bargain. As De'Angelo said: "The king stay the king".
Avon stayed in control, and in my opinion from what happens at the end, gets out and slides right back into power. This time with a lot more self control and wisdom about him, as all that ego "I want my corners" bullshit would've been under control by this time. The Baltimore drug game changed and went towards a more cooperative and professional organization that mirrored the classic, 5 families, commission, type way of running thing. Just like Prop Joe had fantasized and attempted to create before Marlo took him out. It's hinted that Slim Charles will be capo di tutti capi at the end, demonstrated by how he drops Cheese in front of all the other bosses without so much as a dirty look and Slim was always a Barksdale soldier so he'll keep the seat warm till Avon gets out. Sort of like a street boss. No doubt Avon has millions stashed for his release and his rep just continues to grow while he's away. Even though he "lost," he still "won," (both terms used lightly) and that is the beauty of this, and all great shows. There is no true good or bad, and most people and situations fall somewhere in the middle. What should happen rarely does, and life isn't fair but one thing is for certain, it keeps on going with or without you.
I always thought the best scene to end the series would have been Avon getting out of prison, after Marlo it would have been momentarily relieving until you realize nothing's changed
@83rdox Dudes need to stop using these silly LOL's and shit. Makes you sound like an asshole. What about my comparison would make you laugh out loud anyways? You said a whole lot of nothing with that comment.
@@trenttrip6205 I could see that. The ending (and the whole show really) did convey how nothing really changes, it just continues on with new people playing the roles. Read All The Pieces Matter. It's a great book on the show.
And people love skip or moan about season 2, which was one of the most important seasons because we saw where the drugs were coming from and how the Greeks even had Feds on the take.
@@cfgodwell The series would be much lesser without the tragedy of the Sobotkas. The Docks are the lifeblood of the city and it's stories were needed to be told. If Ziggy annoys you you aren't looking at the themes of the show, and your missing out on a great performance from James Ransone. Watch Gen Kill too!
This scene solidified their positions on the board like no others did imo. Notice how Sergei’s whole demeanor changed just by Marlo mentioning that Avon was backing him and how Marlo had to use Avon to secure that connect. And how Avon is even allowed to stand there and watch them talk. lol. The king stays the king. Marlo was just a smart ass pawn.
@@AFourEyedGeek Ya but that shit def would not have worked, like he would lose any little bit of respect a man might have for another man he just met, keeping it chilly is really the only way to go
Avon set the meet, stayed in the room the whole time to make sure nothing went down that he didn't know about first hand, all knowing that Marlo would handle Prop Joe and the East Side dealers before he came out in the 4 mandatory years he had left on his jail sentence..... Avon would get released, reassemble his crew, and would only have to take down one man instead of the whole Co-OP, and that man would be Marlo..... Straight Gangsta
I think Avon admires Marlo in this scene, dudes in jail right now bro, we talking down the line, in the moment, Avon is proud that Marlo kept his cool.
mokreem except Avon wasn't coming out in 4. He would do what was left of his 7 plus a the new weapons charges. Federal ATF charges for the automatic weapons and Grenades. David Simon said in an interview Avon got 25 years Federal time.
slim charles and fat face rick get the connect because they give marlo 10 mil for it. *what the fuck you do that for, now we short the nine*. like roc said avon doing 25 years for the weapons charges after whats left of his original sentence. avon is showing marlo he still king whether he locked up or not and it could play either way. notice how marlo even mentions avon name when the russian is talking shit to him
Avon stuck it to marlo in this scene..He showed him that if it wasnt for me you wouldn't have a plug..He's assisting marlo in being King..because to avon at the end of the day..Its all About the West Side..
I honestly don't think Avon cares one way or another about whether "the king" is from the West Side or not. He got Marlo to pay his family and peoples to the tune of a 100 Large...that's all he cared about. If anything, he's mocking Marlo with the West Side salute...as in like "yeah we have a West side bond" when really it's all about the money.
A lot of others would say he waiting on marlo standing while the new king sits, now nothing more than a westside butler for marlo feeding on what scraps marlo gives him...dont forget marlos twobtop lieutenants killed avons enforcer and girl and shot the man himself
Avon knew moving the drug connect over to a west side player and out of prop Joe’s hands would be good for AVon down the road! It made sense to help marlo cuz he knew Mario’s time at the top wouldn’t last. The king always remains the king 👑!
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At the end, you can see it in Sergei’s face he knows exactly what will happen to Joe if he gives Marlo a line to the Greeks and contemplated giving it up. But in the end, he has no choice but to charge it to the game and put business first.
nah. I do believe Sergei likes joe, but it's about business. He just finished telling this dude to go fuck himself. But marlo cuts straight through to business, and then Sergei realizes, "fuck! Now i have to interact with this foo." Remember not a lot of people know about "the greeks." Also being valuable in the crime world isn't just about being muscle and keeping your mouth shut. you also have to bring in money. Sergei is all three: a merciless killer, tough enough to do his time without ratting, and takes care of/brings in money. It is the same thing that makes Weebay and Chris valuable.
Avon is officially passing the torch while in his words..... I gotta have my taste to.... He lives by the code..... The game is the game always!!!!!!!!!
This jus goes to show that although Marlo's name ring out on the street, nobody on the inside knows him, 'cept Avon, and Avon runs the inside, because he has earned respect in the game. Something Marlo would never earn. If Marlo tried the same bullshit on the inside that he did on the street, he wouldn't survive a day. He knows it, Avon, he'll even Sergei knows it!!
Jason Thompson Co-sign you on that statement. I don't understand why SOME Wire fans don't get the bigger picture when they say Marlo was the freaking evolution of Avon or Marlo was a bigger/better boss I'm like htf do they even figure that?
Marlo name wasn’t even ringing in the streets 😂😂😂 reason why Avon had got more respect & power then Marlo at the end you remember when the boy didn’t know who marlo was when he walked up they was bragging to eachother about Omar reason Marlo got mad Marlo wasn’t shit with out Chris & snoop who name really rung bells 💯💯💯
In the scene where Nick and Ziggy meet with the Greeks you can hear Sergei and his mate talking about 'Bullwinkle'. I think he was being told that the name comes from the cartoon Rocky and Bullwinkle.
I have looked through some of the top comments here and most of the guys dont get one thing: if Boris had rejected Marlo's proposition, Avan would make his life in prison unbearable, until Boris would break. That is the only reason Marlo called Avon's name, he made a point: "either my canteen money or punishment from Avan". And stop bulshiting yourselves and others with nonsence like "Sergei liked Joe", "the Greeks liked Joe" etc
I don't think Marlo lives more than a few months after selling the connect and retiring. He left himself with no crew, no muscle, and a lot of dangerous enemies who will hold grudges.
Flashed a sign and smiled. All the while, played him like a fiddle. Avon was the man. Both times he got pinched, was due to Stringer. Season 1 when Stringer okayed the hit on Orlando. If they didn't try to kill him, Kima wouldn't get shot and the cops wouldn't have come down so hard and fast on him. Plus he would have a tight hold on the crews, with Wee Bay's team keeping them in line. Season 3, Stringer outright gave him up to the cops. Prop Joe was behind it, and Avon knew that. This deal would help take care of two very problematic people for him when he came out. Prop Joe would be still be reigning, while Marlo would be battling Avon. He used Marlo to get rid of Prop Joe, and just let Marlo bring about his own downfall, as predicted.
Incorrect on both counts. Avon got caught because the cops drilled a camera hole into the nightclub and caught Avon telling D to go up to NYC and pick up the shipment. Stringer had nothing to do with that string of events, which was started by wee-bey having the party where the stripper died, causing the other stripper to flip to the cops when they came to her. On the 2nd time he got picked up, Stringer gave up Avon because it was that or get kicked out of the co-op, but he did it after finding out that the cop running Hamsterdam (Colvin) was telling the crew chiefs to give up the guy who shot someone in Hamsterdam or it would get shut down. He started doing small snitches directly to Colvin on Avon until Stringer knew he could get Avon in a big situation that would definitely violate his parole and get him sent back. Nothing to do with Prop Joe.
This always confused me. Sergei confessed to killing the shepherd (making the Greeks accessories to murder), snitched on his bosses, and told police what hotel room the Greeks were at. I know it's fiction, but the Greeks would have killed him.
I'm thinking he knew they would be long gone by the time the police came to that address, and just made things a little easier for himself without really risking anything. The Greeks might also not have known that Sergei had talked, since it didn't really lead to anything
that's true but also remember the police said that if he didn't talk he would take the full brunt of a capital murder charge. i don't care how tough you are, anyone would fold if they faced death row.
