I would love to see more movies based in this time period. Talk about a rough time to live in, and the fact that it’s a horror movie fits so much more perfectly.
@@rhysnichols8608 LMAO YES it did. The FACT that YOU believe in the garbage you just wrote proves you're romanticizing the past because of either some movies you've seen or read about the past without seeing the full scope of all the problems it has in the entire era compared to modern times. "vIcTIm oF MoDerNiTy" my ass! If you wanna be stuck to the past, go ahead. Don't drag anyone else into your delusional rabbithole and convince anyone that "your" the one whose "right" as you're not. Like I said, humanity nowadays has economic, political, and social issues still, but their VASTLY better now then they were 50 to 100 to hundreds of years ago. The fact that you cynical think otherwise is just embarrassing as you're fetishizing the past so much it's disgusting. Get the crap out of here as you're not convincing anyone other than you that the sewage nonsense you said is correct.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Sir (or more likely ma’am given how emotional you are) why this triggered aggressive response? Wtf haha all I said was humanity has not progressed in a linear fashion, which is true, are you claiming that Ancient Rome was a WORSE place to live then the dark ages? Or do you think the Greek golden age was WORSE than 1600s New England? History has not improved steadily, also yes, I do think past eras have points that are better than today, particularly social virtues and morality that have declined rapidly the last century. I think the skyrocketing mental health and crime rates and the obvious open degradation of much of society is clear proof of a general social decline. The nuclear family unit that has been promoted and served as the ideal for literally multiple millennia has been since the 60s tarnished and single parent house holds, same sex marriages and non traditional gender roles have been aggressively pushed through media. Social media is also a key cause of mental health issues leading to less genuine interaction and more superficiality. While having strict social roles that are inflexible is undesirable, and some liberal change has been positive, the current social order is increasingly in direct rebellion against nature, and the degenerate state of the modern world is testament to this in my opinion. We have legal child drag queens ffs, this is not normal or desirable for a healthy nation. You can disagree but I do not care what you say
Robert Eggers originally wanted the whole movie to take place in and around the house. But the producers wanted to give more context on the family’s banishment so they effectively doubled his budget for this scene.
Wait… producers actually HELPING a movie tell a better story? Giving the filmmaker MORE money to do so? And… it being THEIR idea? What universe was this movie made in?
@@uome20bukz - Right? I remember thinking this brief, opening scene was likely the most expensive in the movie. Stunning that it was a producer's note.
heckler408 Actually, the Puritains were "left-wing radicals" of their time. Influenced by Protestant reformers on the European Continent, they wanted to "purify" the Church of England of its remaining Roman Catholic elements. Somehow the term "Puritanism" became associated with sexual morality and religious fidelity. Liberal religious and atheist/skeptic/secular humanist groups can, did, and do shun "trouble makers" or dissidents.
There's quite a few like this in this film, I think the scene right after this one even (when they are camping at night by the fire) is also incredible.
It’s funny. In the beginning of the movie you kind of admire the guy for sticking up for his principles and holding true to his seemingly noble beliefs. Then they throw in some context and you realize he made a huge fucking mistake and literally every horrible thing that happens to his family is a direct result of his decision to leave their colony. The guy took them into uncharted territory on their own and sucks at farming and hunting. His only real skill is chopping wood, and in the end it buries him as a testament to the uselessness of it all. This is why you never declare that you’re “too punk rock” for your puritan church
1:12 I'm pretty sure he could have stayed if he had remained silent and swallowed his pride. The judge looks totally amazed (for a Puritan) at his answer 1:25 It was actually intended as a final warning, not a final judgement. Williams pride is the original sin for the family.
From the two opening minutes you just knew you were in the hands of a filmmaking genius. The entire thing is dripping in atmosphere. Can't wait for The Lighthouse.
That brief shot of the Native Americans within the town before the door closes is foreboding, shows the family is truly heading away beyond any civilization or fellow man and into the unknown.
Agreed it shows the natives(who would’ve been the experts on living in no mans land) are aware of the benefits and the safety by community behind the walls. And william is just like hang on gang its gonna be a long ride out in deez woods
Thomasin does give in to the power of the Devil, though, the very source of most of her and her family's suffering in the movie and their eventual deaths. The extreme trauma and sudden realization of how alone she is are obviously strong factors, but still, her mother's blood is still on her, all because of Satan and his witch servants, and she just goes and joins her family's murderers to "live deliciously". Pretty fucked up and not "pure" of heart. Caleb is probably just entering puberty. After their banishment, the only women around are Thomasin or his mom. His inevitable budding sexuality and curiosity have to go somewhere. I think he is overall pretty normal. His lust is used by the witch to lure him, and she does put an apple in his throat to condemn his lying, but I don't think he ever got drawn in to witchcraft himself. His last speech has been interpreted as his repentance, though I thought he was possessed by something mocking Christ. I'd have to watch again to decide. But I think he was probably purer than Thomasin, overall.
@@Gorehoundula i dont agree at all. the whole film she is being unfairly blamed and treated horribly by her hypocrite family. Thats why she ends up giving in at the end, probably because her horrible family has scared her off from being religious and holy. the movie begins with her asking forgiveness for her sins, while the rest of the family is deflective and refuses to take blame in anything, instead blaming her. She is the most pure for the whole film until the end.
@@leena7961 why must everything be because of what others have done instead of their own decision? You can find blame in everything for everyone in anyone else but no one says that everyone is blameless for their own sins. Agency must start somewhere or not at all
The 17th Century was a fascinating time in History. From Europe to Asia and the Americas, everything was falling apart and being rebuilt, for better and worse.
Notice the shot utilized for Thomasin primarily, and her mother I think later in the film. This is the devil's gaze. Face perfectly in the center no camera movement. This only happens in the beginning, some parts in the middle, and the final scene when Thomasin gives herself to him. The fact that we get one of those shots in the very first scene indicates to me that she was targeted. This didnt just happen. A good scene that highlights my points is when Caleb approaches the seductress in the woods. His close up is with a shaky camera that never depicts him in the center. This was a shot reserved for Thomasin and whoever was in the devil's crosshairs.
dark times ahead and Bible is clear that there will be period that surpass all bad periods in human history. Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. By the way, watch this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LXIyMz8rfqQ.html
Imagine the native Americans having to deal.with their over religious BS. Non whites have to deal with over religious whites superstition to make.them.comfortable to this day.
@CaptainRidley I'm aware some native tribes were brutal to opposing threats. However, the colonizers took it to another level by nearly deleting native tribe culture completely throughout the Americas. It's only been what? 15 years since Colombus was taken off his pedestal as a hero.
I'm not saying they should ever make a live-action remake of the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but if they do I feel like this guy would kill it as Claude Frollo.
Feel so bad for his eldest daughter. Not going to act like being among the puritans would have been peaches and cream, but at least shed be among her peers.
SPOILERS: This is his first sin in the movie. His pride put his family in danger, and condemmed his newborn infant to hell. He's the character than sinned the most in the movie, and basically sealed the fate of his family.
Still love the "I cannot be judged by False Christians" quote. Pretty badass sin but thankfully belief in Jesus is all He asks. Puritanism lacked the love taught by Christ, but they still believed in Him. So they're all in heaven probably, idk how babies work because baptism can be both spiritual and physical. Literally being born again simply by understanding Truth of Christ vs. having a priest pour water over you in God's name. I should think babies are alright if they're born into Christ-believing homes. It's not our job to judge the place of those souls who have left this life and entered into whichever eternal dwelling God has determined for them.
“I should think babies are alright if they're born into Christ-believing homes.” I have to wonder if religious people even listen to themselves sometimes.
@@JeantheSecond He meant when it comes to the beliefs, not that literally babies are condemned if parents are atheists. Like, in the movie, Katherine was horrified that Samuel died before he was christened because it meant he'd burn in hell. All this guy is saying is that there could be a loophole that should have pacified Kath.
What makes this movie for me is the time period. I've always been interested in the early settlers from the UK, how they established colonies, and they're struggles. It's nice to see it on the screen and instead of my imagination.
Torgo Torgenson Bullshit. Ethical prescriptions were there to make life less harsh in a time where one bad crop cycle could kill off your entire family. You can't judge people morally until you've lived in their shoes.
the puritan community was back sliding in the mind of the dad - a sign of this was the presence of Indians in the village for a start. And calling them false Christians, thought he could break away and build his own church.
@Diane Berg The rest of the film implies that he's more puritanical than the rest of the colony, though I think it's a stretch to read anything into the presence of natives. They were probably just written into the shot to add realism.
@@DoctorDoomsPvP But it’s clear in the film the farm wasn’t successful at all, there are shots of dead corn stalks and all the dad really knows how to do is chop wood. The mother is afraid they will all starve and they talk about selling off Thomasin.
The natives walking through the gate shows that even the experts in survival choose the safety of the community over the unknown/wilderness. Totally foreboding and their look back as the family rolls out is telling of “y tho”
@@ernstthalmann4306 true, but I would be lying if I said that I didn’t want to see the exact events that led up to this moment. But then again it’s not exactly difficult to put that puzzle together, so it would be kind of unnecessary.
I understand this is a dark edgy type film. But from some historical records the Puritans and early English settlers actually wore colorful clothing etc- the usually wore black and white modest clothing for church trials and funerals. My oldest ancestor of America is Richard Kimball of Suffolk 1630s lived in Massachusetts colony from Suffolk.
“How sadly hath the Lord testified against you” , yea right say’s the idiot who got himself and his family banished from the village where they were safe and then they build a house next to where the witch live’s and then it cursed them. I mean seriously , this whole movie , all the that thing’s that happend to them , it was all the father’s fault for getting them banished , and the mother who dint even scold him for bringing this hell upon them. Not to forget that Thomasin was the true abused victem of the movie , she’s like the definition of a beautifull angell caught in a really dark path , wich of course she wouldnt have suffered if ot wasnt for her parent’s big pride and ego , i mean seriously , it’s very annoying how arrogant and delusional adult’s can be sometime’s , im only 17 at the moment by the way.
Anyone wanted to punch The father? His opinionated self caused everything in motion.The sufferings of his children, his wife, the animals. Why can't there ever be a horror without daft stubborn characters.
This was the beginning of the end; they were sent out of the safety of god's grace and protection, and in the wilderness they were susceptible to satan.
But the movie glorifies this descent into hell. That's what bothers me. Hell, you have feminists talking about how perfect this movie is for female empowerment. Fuck the fact that in order to become a witch, they had to use the blood of her murdered baby brother.
Oppressive nature of god?? Christ? Are you kidding me? It's called enforcing common decency. Common decency is not oppression. What is best for our children and their children is not oppression. Ever hear of the Weimar Republic? It was Germany before Hitler took over. We're talking about economic and spiritual hell. Moral degradation and degeneracy were rampant. And then, Germany became the most Christian nation. It became a paradise.
lmao, it doesn't glorify the descent into hell. It's a scary folktale. It's supposed to be scry and tragic. From the position of the characters, they were ex-communicated and therefore satan got them. From a modern audiences view, it varies. You can blame god for not helping them, the witches or satan for preying on them, the parents for not listening or paying enough attention, the dad for causing them to have to leave, the religion for being too difficult for them to follow etc etc. It depends on how you translate it. And some feminists say that, but not all. It isn't a position from the actual ideology as a whole.
@@LukeLovesRose Well, of course it appeals to feminism. They love casual infanticide and using the body parts of male babies as beauty products. In fact this whole film appealed to their sick utopian fantasy - the evil patriarchal family unit that oppressed her by expecting her to do her share of work is brutally killed off, and now she gets to spend her life dancing around naked, taking part in debauched, bloody sex acts with the other hags and having all her wants and needs magically provided by her murderous, Satanic pimp daddy. Yup, feminism in a nutshell.
It's implied to us that he didn't think that the Puritan council who governed the community in their fort was conservative _enough_ - he steadfastly believed they should be more satisfactorily "devout" in God's eyes. Pretty motherfucking extreme, and only understandable insofar as one can understand the logical degrees/gradations (amongst muslims, for one of many instances) of "I know what's right, and you're clearly not serious enough to even see it properly - but I am, and I therefore do."
@@justinklenkI don’t think he was more conservative, rather, he held a radical interpretation of Christianity. For instance, according to his wife Catherine he repeatedly denied baby Samuel the sacrament of baptism. He called the rulers of the settlement false Christians so perhaps he did not wish to subject Samuel to their rule but denying infant baptism is nonetheless blasphemous. It allowed the witch to use the unbaptized Christian baby for its unholy ritual. Catherine would point out how he’s a pathological liar and broke their convenient with God. This is probably what made them subject to being directly targeted by the Witch and the Devil in the movie.
@@LosOjosTristes It was actually the more "conservative" Christians who thought baptism should not be granted until the child had grown more. So yes, Samuel was as yet unbaptized as the story deepens. But anyway, William's "sin" in this tale was sanctimony - his sanctimonious ego that proudly emigrated them from safety and into an unforgiving fate.
@@justinklenk No, in fact, infant baptism was required by law in many of these Puritan settlements. The "conservatives" wanted to preserve and enforce the institution of infant baptism while the radical (for its time) "credobaptists" were persecuted for believing baptism ashould be a choice made by "true believers". I still go back to Catherine being hysterical over her husband denying baby Samuel baptism, being a liar, and breaking their covenant with God because it went against everything she was raised to believe. Yeah, William was definitely prideful, blinded by his own ego to go so far as to get him and his family exiled by their people and abandoned by God.
I love their accurate use of Puritan English. "Thee" was actually the polite form of address and to call someone in a position of authority "you" was considered deeply offensive and really shows his scorn of the governors.
Beautiful, deep sonorous voice. It almost sounds ancient. Beyond that I also love how he and Kate Dickie look in this film. Like they could be real people from that time
Then take your leave and trouble us no further and as always, thou art a wretched sinner utterly unworthy of God’s love. A fountain of pollution is deep within thy nature, and thou livest like a winter tree, unprofitable, fit only to be hewn down and burnt. Steep thy life in prayer and hope that God sees fit to show mercy on thy corrupted soul.
@@kallias.3503 ahh ok even though they did not like each other or trusted each, they would still go to each other to trade but I find it funny how it seems like they trust them more here to even let them in their village while the family are banished from it
I would like to know what exactly he did to be put in Trial and what was that all about. He say he's done nothing but spread the gospel and Jesus teachings and he can't be judged by fake christians and while cleary Very Prideful (it's his sin), given how the puritans and the church were, i could see it being "kind" of true BIG Quotation Marks (you will always be pretty apart from Jesus original Message and Teachings as Puritan of that time like William was), maybe he was as close as one could be, with the exception of his exessive pride, at least more so then the Church as a whole(any of them at the time), so i could see him being in the right by just trying to follow Jesus teachings as best as he could which eventually caused him to but heads with the Church and what they wanted, of course as far as they concerned their word is the same as Jesus and God but William definitly mishandled that situation because of his Pride which led them to be cast out.
The weak father is to blame for this. He was banished and sacrificed his own family, for some stupid theological dispute: proud, conceited and weak, the father is the true villain of this movie.
Hugely effective opening scene with power alone from authentic speech patterns of the time, desaturated color, unsettling camera placement, superb detail and an actor’s voice that conveys experience, arrogance, piety, suffering and certitude.
Thomasin is reluctant to leave the village because she knows Dad has a few loose screws and things will not go well out in the woods. She becomes the only surviving family member after Satan is finished with them. Smart girl : she joins his coven never again having to wear those Puritan clothes.
I feel like you could take every single from of every Robert Eggers movie and say "That detail is a really nice touch!" And none of this is even what the movies are about, just thinks that show how much effort he puts into them, and a way to make everything feel so much more authentic and believable.
@@lauragrace101 I mean stuff like the natives. He didn't have to be there, and we only see them for a second and they aren't part of the story in any way, but it just adds to the whole (motion)picture.
I wonder if he auditioned for the part of Ned Stark. I love Sean Bean and as always he was fantastic, but this guy has more of the Stark look and could easily have been Benjen's brother. And that VOICE.
@@lauragrace101 Both about a father who's obsessed with his own beliefs and, in his vanity, moves his family into the wilderness to live by those beliefs, and ends up nearly destroying them all. Maybe not an abvious comparison, but one I noticed.
