Lebron won championships in 3 different organizations. Okay, I’m just throwing that logic back at you. I hate how enamored Lebron is with being the Goat. He’s not the goat. He may be the best player ever, but 4-6 in the finals is enough reason as to why. Unless he wins 3 more without losing, he’ll never be the goat.
@@vineelkesavarapu5736 he got the finals mvp though all 4 times. I’m fine with it as long as you actually win and get mvp. If you stack the deck, like he has his entire career, no excuses for the 4 legitimate losses. I can excuse 2007 and 2018 kinda. Just cause he played with DWade, Kyrie and AD, as long as he wins, it doesn’t bother me much.
That probably bugs me the most about LBJ fans/media, they act like they’re 1A/1B when they’re not. Like when they say it’s a coin flip on who’s the best ever bc both of them are lmao, yea right.
@@nathanmckenzie904u calling another man ur king is mad suspect 😂 A man should be his own king and not a follower didnt ur father ever tell you that? Smh Stop listening to Shannon he has a secret lover stylist and lebron James bed sheets
I agree, but I do think he choked once, though you could argue it was because he wasn't in basketball shape. That one let down is the only time he was LeBron-esque, ha ha. And that was against Orlando in the '95 playoffs when the Bulls had chances to win but MJ came up short in clutch time. It actually enhances his legacy though in terms of telling a heroic story because unlike LeBron, MJ didn't blame teammates or jump teams (and he didn't say "check my stats" either, lol). He actually took responsibility for the loss and then went on to avenge the defeat in the best way (with a sweep) in route to three more championships in a row.
@@megavolt67 All one needs to do is look at Lebron's fourth quarter Finals averages to see that he is always choked. That's why he needs all time great players with him.
Why is this still even up for discussion cuz at this point I’m convinced this convo/debate is only around for ratings and money because no logical person can see lebron on the same level as jordan since 2011
It’s content for fanboys to indulge in because content creators prey on the idol worshipping groupies. 99% or sports fans couldn’t care less about the same repetitive content but the 1% keep feeding the obsessed.
@@cycleoflife565i mean hes really a gift to the sport hes the 2nd best player of all time but to tell them we are lucky to him by himself hes really a fucking narcissist lol
@@dynamic6645I’d argue that saying, “I’d like to think I’m the best,” is not the same as saying I am the GOAT. The latter is a definitive/absolute statement, with no ambiguity or room for debate, whereas the former, while certainly full of extreme confidence, comes across as a much more playful statement full of self-awareness/humor. In HIS mind he’d LIKE to think of himself as the best, but he’s not saying that is absolutely 100% true/fact, and that there is no room for debate. It’s a nuanced difference for sure, but it’s a difference, and it’s important/significant.
@@timsmith7818 He did not say *"I'd like to think"* He said *"I like to think that I was the best"* Not only that, but Jordan also asked people to put the word *"GOAT"* in his shoes, another way to proclaim himself as the *"GOAT"*
@@timsmith7818 Also LeBron didn't say *"I am the goat"* , he said *"that's what I felt"* . Saying *"I felt I became the goat"* is not the same as *"I became the goat"* big difference.
Only a few Lebron fans think he's the Goat- that little group includes some in the media and probably himself. While most people that think that Jordan is the GOAT are not even Jordan or Bulls fans, the bulk of people claiming that he is the GOAT are the fans of the other teams- the ones that were humiliated and defeated year after year and did not win any rings because of Jordan. I'd say simply that they are Basketball fans not necessary a fans of MJ.
@@strifefresh3998 I wish that was true but are they though? The only realization they'll have is in about 2030 when everyone has moved on to younger blood and call the 2000s player plumbers. Cause that's what we do nowadays. Once a player retires, they're plumbers.
Weird, could have sworn John Paxson hit a finals winning 3 in 1993 and Steve Kerr hit a finals winning 3 in 1997. Kevin Love averaged 8 & 7 in the 2016 finals 😂. So causaL
@@LL-zm9goI swear, how many top 3 players did LeBron jump ship too? Couldn’t get to the playoffs in an expanded format while having 5 HOF All-Stars on the Lakers. 😂
Jordan was 9 times all defensive first at the same time as scoring champ. That really shows how much of a beast he was on both ends. Also steals champ at the same time as scoring champ. Something that never gets mentioned. Jordan is top 5 in both totals and per game averages in both scoring and steals. Some players maybe both for one stat but not 2. Jordan took it to another level in the finals especially the first 3. 91-- average 11.4 assists per game highest for anyone not Magic. 92 - - average an impressive 42% for 3s and in game 1 shot six 3s in a half which was a record for 18 years until Ray Allen the only person to shoot more in a half 93-- average 41 points per game highest ever.
Wow. This is why i say the ONLY player I'm putting over Kobe is MJ. MJ was just an alien. Lebron not top 10 imo. He takes Steroids (listen to Flagrant Podcast with Andrew Shultz - episode with Chael Sonnen, he states ON THE RECORD, that he and Lebron get their steroids from the same chemist and that's how he knows Lebron takes EPO).
He could easily have 8 MVPs.. 87 averaged 37 a game and didn't win MVP haha but 88 is the best individual season without a title.. Allstar MVP, Dunk champ, Scoring title, Steals title, DPOY and MVP getting 35-6-5 a game hahaha ON ANOTHER LEVEL
Defensive Impact is where the real substance of the the "Jordan is the GOAT" argument can be found. Everything else is kinda colored with some kind of *extra* factor. Like "clutch" or "Finals Losses"...all the other arguments have a certain amount of subjective influence going on. But Defense...NOPE It's open and shut. Jordan was twice the Defensive Player Lebron is and Lebron has the length and size to be to be twice the Defensive Player that Jordan was. And for that reason alone: Jordans defensive impact, numbers, and effort in comparison to Lebron's; makes him the better player. The only way to make an argument for Lebron is to make the argument that defense doesn't count when it comes to GOAT... which is ridiculous, like saying Frank Thomas (a non fielder) was the better player than Ken Griffey Jr cuz he had a few better hitting seasons.
the flop, the tantrum and the grab the ball like a running back and buldoze your way to the rim are my favorite lebron go to moves. what a talented basketball god.
Michael Jordan still has the better resume after LeBron has played 5 more seasons on paper, in actuality more like 7 more seasons, even if he ties Jordan at this point... they still aren't equal, LeBron played a whole nother half a career more than Jordan, but he hasn't even equalled him, he is still chasin the real King... Mike the GOAT 🐐
That’s why I can never see him over Jordan. He accomplished way more in way less time. And retired twice in some of his prime years, making us wonder what more he could’ve accomplished. that’s the only argument I need.
@dynamic6645 and LeBron still played more seasons, started earlier, and still hasn't played a game at the age Jordan retired at 40, how he still chasin him with all that in his favor, ask yourself that question fool 🙄
If LBJ was so concerned about his legacy, maybe he should have learned how to shoot beyond 3 feet from the basket. And hit his free throws. And develop a post-up/mid-range game. And hit more than 20% of the shots he takes at clutch time (that is, when he actually has the balls to take the last shot because Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving aren't around to bail him out). And not turn the ball over more than any other player in NBA history. And play consistent defense. And not flop so bad that even FIFA is embarrassed when they see him. And not promise 7 rings with the SuperTeam he put together, then go 2 for 4, with the first loss the direct result of his own choke job. You know, do all of the great things without all the crappy things, like MJ did throughout his career. LBJ should have shored up his legacy on the court, NOT in the media. Then he wouldn't have to go around begging people for his "damn respect".
Imagine achieving less than someone in double the amount of time, in a softer version of the sport While moving to multiple super teams and then HAVE THE ABSOLUTE NERVE TO SAY: "I'm the Goat! RESPECT ME! RESPECT ME! RESPECT ME! Ya'll lucky I'm staying" Like in what Universe does this man think Basketball would lose anything if he retired today??????🤨
Imagine being so casual that one actually believes todays game is a softer version of the sport compared to the 90’s where there was no zone defense or illegal defenses. The athleticism and skill level of players right now compared to the 90’s players is the gap between the Grand Canyon.
@@LL-zm9go 3 point shooting I can not argue.. they shooting bombs nowadays. But "skills" please.. nowadays is nothing but organized street ball that you call "skills". and besides Kyrie, Jokic and a select few others who has skills? Today they barely know what defense, a post game or or mid range jumper is..
@@LL-zm9go If you took a young Shawn Kemp, Hakeem, spud webb, Dominique, James worthy, David Robinson, Jason Richardson. These players look so spectacular to you because the floor nowadays is so spread out they have no resistance on the defensive end so they look more athletic. To dunk in the 80s&90s you had 7footers waiting on you that you had to dunk over
The goat of the "LeBron era" is Steph Curry , and the ONLY reason Gs signed KD is because LeBron was trying to politic him to Cleveland he even tried to get him in Miami, Kerr even hinted at this Even after KD left , gs won a title and has been in the playoffs constantly
@@Knowcaptvmelo wasnt blackballed. He didnt want to accept the fact it was over for him as a starter and after that disastrous run in houston, no team would touch him for a while. I dont know why guys keep saying that. Melo aint that damn important that someone has to force other owners to not sign him. Its ridiculous.
@@Knowcaptvlebron is a drama queen he is very insecure and annoying he will never be better than jordan no matter how many times he days he's the GOAT lebron is the most delusional player of all time
@@universe-ie2mkso when he accepted his role in LA, turned in 1 of his best shooting seasons with highly reduced shot attempts, what’s the response now?
@@universe-ie2mkthat may have been the case in OKC and Houston but after Houston…Melo just wanted to be on the court whether it was starting or coming off the bench and it took at least a year or a year and a half for Melo to get signed. He was blackballed considering the fact that there are dudes in the league coming off the bench that can barely get you 13 a game when Melo could’ve easily contributed 16 to 17 a game off the bench for any team
“Well you see I was lucky that Draymond Green got suspended so my opponent collapsed and that Kyrie outperformed Steph, and that right there made me the greatest of all time.” Amazing hubris. I was so happy for Bron in 2020 but these last few years he has grown insufferable.
He wasn't just lucky, he made it happen. He whined about being called a b**** in the post game presser and dared the NBA to do something about it. That's when the NBA retroactively assigned the extra technical and suspended Draymond after the fact (which was ridiculous and unprecedented in a situation of championship magnitude). There's no doubt about it: The NBA was hoping to extend the series. Cleveland was almost certainly going to lose in 5 games after LeBron and Kyrie choked away game 4 in Cleveland. Instead they gained new life and also an inside advantage for the rest of the series after Bogut went down (which probably wouldn't have happened had Draymond played that game). The icing on the cake was that when injured Curry finally got it going in game 6, he was instantly hit with foul trouble. At that point the NBA was going to get their 7 games no matter what. 2016 Warriors vs Cavs to me was on the level of 2002 Lakers vs Kings. The officiating was worse in the latter, but the the series altering interference was the same. And the NBA tried again last season to get LeBron to the finals with some absurd officiating as well (the free throw stats for the Lakers after LeBron complained about the one Boston non-call were outrageous; they shouldn't have even made the playoffs). Thank goodness Denver was a great enough team to stifle that nonsense.
@@auntiez4917 so because he’s selfish I should just ignore how great he is? Was Jordan not a complete a-hole and didn’t give a shit about social issues? Was Kobe not hated? I hate that people act like Lebron is the greatest, but I equally hate the people who discredit him like he is a fraud. He is a fraud at being the goat, but he should be in EVERYONES top 10. He has the performances to prove it, plus stats to back him up.
LeBron has diminished his legacy with his braggadocio. He is a fantastic player, but the fact that he has to brag about it rather than let NBA experts put him in the proper slot diminishes it. He needs the support from his fans and they will because they never saw MJ, Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem or Russell. Watching reruns of individual games does not cut it. These guys night after night dominated their opponents and it was great watching them.Night after night, season after season, championship after championship these guys were leaders who responded in the clutch more than LeBron. I mean I waited for him to get the ball and take it to the rim for the winner but it seldom happened.
LeBron isn’t Hated by a demographic that actually matters. He’s making millions in endorsements based off his fans so the fringe element that Hates him is insignificant. Listen to the guys voice making this video, that’s exactly what they sound like and look like.
@@criticalthought4910 you are insane if you think Lebron isnt hated by a "demographic that actually matters"... Most basketball fans hate him. I dont know any basketball fan that really likes him.
@@criticalthought4910I just don't care about Le Bum he's a narcissist and a has-been and doesn't have an artistic bone in his body. This is what happens when women raise a boy without a father
@@criticalthought4910 You do realize the worse music possible is the most popular, same goes with LJ. Media elevates garbage, they'll tell you he is loved when in reality no one likes him, is just an illusion.
Yep that's remarkable thing that separates MJ from LeBron. He played in a way tougher era and loss very rarely. Whereas LeBron despite the teams he's stacked has been demolished more often than not particularly in the finals where's he's been beaten in a sweep or 5 games 4 times
@@kevinnguyen-qr2qs name one player other than magic that Jordan played in the finals that’s better than KD, Curry and Duncan. If Jordan had to go up against the Spurs 3 times and the warriors 4 times ( twice without his second best player because kyrie didn’t play in 2015 or 2018) would Jordan still be undefeated in the finals?
I laugh when I hear LeBron say that 2016 victory made him the greatest of all time. Acting like kyrie had nothing to to with the victory. And Acting like LeBron's lack of defense and turnovers in the first 4 games of the series wasn't the reason they trailed 3-1 in the first place
Jordan never had any teammate come close to averaging 27 ppg in the finals. People (mainly Lebron pole smokers) underestimate Kyrie Irving’s impact on that series..
@@ayeblocc I don't care what GSW's regular season record was...Cleveland had the slightly better team. Kryie outplayed GSW's best player. Of course, it was another of LeBron's super teams 🙄🙄🙄🙄. It's not like he can win any other way 🤷♀🤷♀
Only 4 players in NBA history were nominated defence , offence , season MVP and playoffs MVP in the same season..those 4 players were Michael Jordan, Air Jordan, Jordan , Jordan
They forget, MJ was already being called the GOAT before he even played 1 game in the NBA. Remember the 1984 Olympics, the 8 warm up games against NBA All Stars, team USA, college kids, won all eight. Bobby Knight was just one of many who said MJ is the best there has ever been. And MJ was only 21 yrs old.
Yepp and he never would say it himself. He did all the talking on the court and let others do the off court talking for him. Goats don't have to say it themselves or remind us constantly.
The one thing that Michael Jordan can say that none of the other so-called GOATs can say is that every single finals he played in he was unquestionably the best player on the floor. That’s why he stands alone as the Greatest Of All Time
As a Lebron fan, I'm sick and tired of the media hyping him as the 2nd GOAT behind MJ. He's the best since MJ, but it ain't even close. I have him 3rd behind MJ and Kareem.
it's pretty difficult to be the all-time leading scorer and still be a cringe-inducing lolcow, but lebron managed to pull it off. he truly is the king 👑🐮
Lebron is special but his not the goat doesn’t matter how long you been playing.That’s only telling me that you been playing pretty good for a long time but you not winning anything.
Those who speak the loudest tend to be the most insecure in themselves. There's a difference between speaking something into existence and just claiming to be something, I think Michael knows his game speaks for itself he doesn't need to say anything because everyone already has their opinions and out of respect he's not trying to take away what others have done before him and during his time. It feels like LeBron is almost trying to convince other people if not also himself that he's he's the greatest and that's always going to be a losingvl argument
My favorite MJ vs LeBron stat: (especially for those wanting to bring up "MJ fans don't talk about the times he didn't win the championship" Jordan played 15 seasons and won 6 rings. That means there are 9 seasons that he didn't win. LeBron played 20 seasons and won 4. That means there are 16 that he didn't win a ring. You can now fit Jordan's ENTIRE CAREER in the amount of seasons LeBron didn't win a ring, and still have a year left over to ride the bench.
The Draymond suspension over an altercation LeBron started plus the sus ass officiating on Steph in game 6…it’s blatant to the eye the 2016 Finals was rigged😂. Adam Silver needed his king to not lose 3 straight finals and bring one home to Cleveland
Actually he came back the 2nd season he supposedly missed playing around 17 of the final games of the season. They lost in the playoffs so no he couldn’t of done 8 in a row.
@@JMLRetroRoom But you just said it...he only played 17 games with no practice time while just coming off playing a totally different sport. Even if you add up the 10 playoff games, that's only 27 total games. No retirement means he would have been in basketball shape and played a full season. That's a different story then.
LeCon standing there at espy dressed like Michael Jackson with female necklace and his family seemingly held hostage to celebrate his greatness is peak insecurity 😆
LeBron the last year-year and a half: "I'm gonna play with Bronny. Whoever gets Bronny is going to get me. It's the ultimate moment as a father. I've also signed a two year $90+ million dollar extension." LeBron right after the game, not the season, after getting swept: "Screw all that. I'm thinking I might retire." Nobody believed him. It was almost as bad as the cast on his arm after he got swept in 2018. I'm surprised he didn't come out in a walking boot before he said this at the presser. I have too much respect for his intelligence to believe he didn't know what saying that would do. Every agency's top story became about his fake retirement plans.
This topic never gets old. I will say LeBron and his 2016 chip might be the best single season accomplishment but even that is debatable. What's not debatable is the GOAT conversation. MJ is The Chosen One
There's nothing that special about the 2016 championship. A big-3 superteam beat a great regular season team that had struggled in the playoffs in an evenly muched series. The Mavs championship just 5 years before that was objectively much more difficult and impressive and that's one example among dozens.
That championship run is a bit overrated. Everyone looks at the 2016 team and thinking of the KD warriors. Cleveland should have never been down 3-1 vs Steph and Klay warriors in the first place. Lebron was by far the best player on the court and Klay was not close to Kyrie offensively. This is the same warriors OKC had down 3-1 when KD choked on himself.
@@L0ngstrip Exactly. People bring up the fact that the Cavs came back as if it was preordained from God that they would go down 3-1, not that they were outplayed despite being evenly matched. And btw, that 73-9 regular season Warriors team had the same playoff record in the western Conference that the Suns had in 2021 and they had made the finals by the skin of their teeth, nothing remarkable about them.
@@KyprosEc It was a little suspect to say the least, and even then, Kyrie was as valuable as Lebron in those finals...it's not like 98 MJ, for example, which was the only player carrying the whole team, with minor contributions from role players.
Actually in a way most do...Historically speaking. How did monarchies begin or persist? Brutality, cunning, cut-throat nature, wealth and influence, bribery of the weak winning them over with offers of protection...I'd imagine monarchy originated with such ingredients and not through genuine love and adoration...more fear.
It doesn't even have to do with Team Sports it's just a matter of character, respect and all in all manners. In the Golf World we all agree that Tiger is the Greatest of all Time, his peak is non recreationable BUT never ever has Tiger Woods felt the need to come out and call himself greater than Arnold Palmer, or Sir Nick Faldo. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have never compared themselves to Maradonna or Pélé. The only time this comparison has ever been made is with Messi but as the Maradonna of his generation and that was the media not himself. I will never understand why the US sports are so focused about this whole GOAT debate it comes of as really egotistical.
Micheal Jordan, like most great athletes, was a physical phenomenon with unbelievable basketball talent. I can say the same for Lebron. The biggest thing that separates them is what's between the ears. Micheal didn't just do this for the rings and the money. The fans meant something to Mike, as they did to most stars back then. Jordan was smart enough not to ever talk politics, religion, social issues, and intimate relationships. It only causes friction and you loose fans that may not watch anymore or become haters. As great a player as Lebron is, he stuck his foot in his mouth with those issues one with his public stature should remain neutral in. Like Golden State not going to The White House after winning the championship. That's just lame and not indicative of what real men do. That's what wussies do. "Well, I'll just take my ball and go home!" .... said Stephanie Curry
As a football fan (Soccer to you guys) it's rare for this GOAT conversation to be so all-consuming as it seems to be with basketball. Can someone shed a little light on why that is please? Regardless of sport though, it's not for a player to call themselves the GOAT, that's for their peers and the fans.
I follow multiple sports (NBA, MLB, Fútbol and NFL) since I was a kid, this thing started since Lebron got to the league even without winning anything he called himself the King and with Kobe (who was considered the GOAT or 2d best player [debatable] still playing, then when he got his first title and won the gold medal in the redeem team (his momentum in his career was in an all time high), [this is what I think] he and his fans thought he was on track to surpass MJ but San Antonio then Golden State gave him a losing record (Dallas gave him his first loss but then he win two in a row), that losing record to some fans disqualify him even if he eventually ended Cleveland drought and even if he got the bubble chip. But Lebron and his fans dismissed those criticism rebutting that passing Kareem, Lebron longevity playing at a high level and Lebron's stats make him the GOAT. In correlation some fans composed by a new generation have disrespected old generations of basketball players calling them plumbers, trash players and other negative adjetives/names, making it unbearable to debate in forums. Much different when fans (even in disagreement the majority of fans debate with respect) & players from other sports engage in the GOAT debate MLB, Fútbol and NFL tend to be polite (especially ex-players) when talking about past generation of players that play the games and to those who are potencial candidates to be The Greatest Of All Times... and I never hear a player (Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Hank Aron, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, Roberto Clemente, Nolan Ryan, Pelé, Maradona, Ronaldo 'The Phenomenon', Zidan, Messi, John Elway, Jim Brown, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice or Tom Brady) call himself the GOAT. I also think that it's not for a player to call themselves the GOAT, that's for their peers and the fans.
@kingvagar thank you for such a detailed answer. I had no idea it was a hot topic from pretty much the beginning of LeBrons career. I get that people enjoy the debate around GOAT's, but there is no single or even combined criteria that everyone will agree upon, so spewing bile at someone because they think differently isn't going to change anything. All that being said, a player should not be the one declaring themselves the GOAT.
0:41 it’s crazy he called him the greatest player of all time while he didn’t do alone at all , kyrie was literally playing 😂on the same level as him but doesn’t say anything about him at all
There is a huge Jordanhater channel on yt , claiming that Jordan is not a top 50 player of all time, and also claiming that Karl Malone is better than Jordan 😆 ridiculous to the max. and he dont criticise Lebron and his fans, no only Jordan and his fans, although Jordan is pretty humble compared to Lebron. 0:11 name of the Haterchannel (michael jordan fans are the worst sports fans). you probably never seen anything ridiculous like that channel, I promise.
LeBron isn’t even the greatest small forward of all time. Larry Bird eats him for lunch every time. LeBron may be more athletic, but Bird was more skilled at every part of the game; Bird was mentally tougher than LeBron; and Bird elevated teammates in ways LeBron never has. Only 3 people have averaged 28+ while shooting 50/40/90. Steph and Durant have done it once, I think. Bird averaged that over a four year stretch. LeBron has never done it. Bird averaged about the same number of assists as LeBron with a much lower usage rate than LeBron, and Bird was a much better rebounder and more committed defender than LeBron in spite of the apparent difference in “athleticism.” Bird’s status as a teammate is also measured in that he is still friends with his former teammates, and they all gush about playing with him and how important he was. LeBron leaves guys just wanting to get away from him.
@@jaydot4956 Bird being better than Lebron is so obvious to many fans that they just don't argue about it. Bird is just as good of a scorer as Lebron. A better passer and rebounder. Lebron may be a more athletic defender but Bird is a better off-ball and team defender. Bird is a much better leader and clutch player.
@@allenpyiLebron is a better scorer, passer, overall defender, higher IQ, more athletic, better finisher, better stats and advanced stats, better career totals, better resume and more accolades, way more longevity, higher peak, better playoff and finals performer. Bird may be more clutch in the last shot but Lebron is more clutch when it comes to overall games (Game 7s and elimination games).
@@allenpyi bro a majority of people don’t even have Larry bird in their top 5 so how is he better than Lebron who is universally recognized as a top 2 player? I never heard about a goat debate between Larry and Jordan. And your just chatting talking about Larry bird was a better passer and defender than Lebron in his prime lol.
@@gggyy7104 LeBron isn't a better scorer than Bird. Their numbers are remarkably close in spite of LeBron playing in a more offensive-friendly era. Bird is a better shooter from all areas of the floor (50/40/90) and a better shot creater than LeBron. The only place LeBron has an edge is in the locomotive down-hill power drive to the basket, and that's era-dependent, too, because LeBron doesn't have to meet Rick Mahorn or Anthony Mason at the basket. Bird was a much better passer than LeBron. They average about the same number of assists in spite of LeBron dominating the ball. As much as LeBron controls the ball, he should get gobs of assists. Bird could create for teammates out of the normal flow of the game. Bird and Magic both had superior basketball IQs to LeBron. It's really not a close comparison if you have watched the entirety of all their careers. Bird, Magic, and Michael were all just flat superior basketball players to LeBron. They had better skills, They were better leaders. And, they raised the levels of their teammates in ways that LeBron never could.
Thank you for the effort on your videos. Keep up the good quality content. Can you make a video showing who the goat is by using a point system to rank accomplishments. Example: One 3 Championship over 6 years is equivalent to a 2 Peat. Two 2 Peats are equivalent to one 3 Peat. And add a point system to each accomplishment to determine who the goat is 🤔
I think as just players lebron has a case for being the goat but when you factor in resume as well as context Jordan’s resume is phenomenal. Along with Kareem. Wilt is there because his numbers are still untouchable but there were a lot of things that were allowed when he played that aren’t allowed now. Same with jordan and lebron.
Yes, but the things that were allowed when the likes of Wilt played were crazy physical defense. They also had actual rules that were actually enforced, like traveling and double-dribble. This is, without question, the softest era EVER in the NBA. Same in the NFL. The league decided that scoring would make them more money so they basically abolished meaningful defense. Add in that Lebron cries every time he is touched and gets the calls, and you can see why his stats are what they are. I'd love to see Lebron face the Bad Boy Pistons...
@@a1kid if other players are shooting free throws for the same contact why would you not want your free throws Also Jordan cried to the league about the bad boy Pistons beating him up and he got his free throws. If Jordan gained 15 pounds muscle and beat the pistons by being stronger realistically what do you think someone 40-50 pounds heavier than him with a great handle in a league where he's allowed to run people over would do? There's multiple clips of players pulling down on lebron's arms and he basically drags them with him to the basket for layups Jordan played in a league where you couldn't zone or use like half the defensive strategies you can now and wilt / Kareem could sit in the paint the entire game if they wanted to. No 3 seconds. There's still context Also when it comes to defense particularly in wilt era the players also had limited offenses in general so defense really wasn't as complex as it is now.
4:38 (talking about jordan in 93) "what did he retire after doing?" the actual answer has nothing at all to do with basketball, the mans father was brutally murdered. he was going through some shit and needed to clear his head. his dad had originally wanted him to play baseball, so mike honored his pops in giving baseball his best shot.
@Uncut Hoops - I still have to see why you have lebum as your #2 greatest to ever play. I wanna see your take on that. I've followed your channel for years but you never discussed that reason.
His total body of work: all time leading scorer, 27 PPG career average, second most finals MVPs ever, 4 regular MVPs, 38k 10k 10k club, most all NBA all time like and he’s STILL playing elite
I think it’s bc he tries to appease to LBJ fans bc those lames go after you if you don’t have him as your goat or a close second when he’s neither. Klutch media basically brainwashed these young dudes into thinking he’s was the goat or second since 2016.
Man, Uncut Hoops, if I didn’t already get married, I’d invite you to my wedding bro, and you’d get a plus 2 invite. Love the videos and the channel, don’t stop kicking the truth! Wishing you progress and health in the years to come!
Same thing I have been saying for awhile Lebron isn't hungry he lost his hungry for the game no one that watches him can denied that fact. He is more focused on the media an what's on the news instead of himself his team an teammates. Most people can tell that once you start really paying attention.
@@LL-zm9go dude that argument sucks an you know you can do better then that I get he starts slowing down at a certain age I get that but he was showing signs he wasn't hungry for before he turned 38 Lebron when he came in an before he left the Heat had was a 4 time all defender you not going to sit here an tell me an someone who used to pin shots to the backboard every night or run an a player down for a chase down block forgot how to play defense really 🤔🤔. Then again as from as the age think goes again Lebron is 6 9 250 or so pounds you are going to tell me that man can't post an get to the rim or nothing at to get easy points dude stop if we are going the the 6'6 216 pound Jordan was played at 38 39 an 40 for one of the worse teams at the time the Wizards an still scored 30 40 an a few 50 point games sometimes for his team before he retired again now some games he didn't play because like you said age but here is the difference his coach or teammates had to make him sit because he wanted to be back on the court sometimes. Now Lebron's age might be getting to him now same as it does to other players but you still have to remember the man said he was going to retire in when he was on the Cavs do I agree with his comments after he said he would retire nope however do I think if LeBron retired then or said coach I need one season away from the game to do me do I agree with that yes I do. That's a job like every other job you got people you gonna wanna punch out an you got people you get alone with everyone needs a vacation sometimes that's just being real. I think he should have made took vacation instead of getting frustrated he had another great team they just needed to build on it if LeBron needed a break I think he should have taken it an came back fresh instead of trying to push things. These last few years have just been him listening to the media an we all know it he has been point chasing he not caring about getting another ring or winning games easily show that same with him not playing defense much
LeBron habitually puts on unnecessary histrionics that really hurt him. I was still appalled with his hand cast he put on after the 2nd KD Finals loss. Dude gave an honorable effort in the finals and had an all time regular season. But instead of accepting the grace that would have been given for facing an Uberteam, he opts for a cop out and says he played with a Broken hand. Like dude, just stop talking.
I hate to offend any Cauc sensibilities but only weirdo fans and Skkip Bayles are dumb enough to think that Comprifoam and medical tape is a cast. The reason why opinions on LeBron are so vastly different between his peers and his critics is because too many of these critics have never played sports and can’t even identify simple items we use in a locker room
I hate to say it, Bron didn’t attempt to stop KD that series. That’s what the Cavs needed him to do. He failed at it, miserably, but the general consensus is to look at his stats and argue he had a “good showing.” He didn’t.
@@manwerama People who are a part of the Culture not only saw his swollen hand but watched him in the post game pressers gripping frozen apples and Cryo balls in his busted hand. If fanboys are delusional and deranged enough to believe that an NBA player needs to invent a hand injury after a playoff series Vs 2 MVPs and a DPOY then you most likely get your Hoops information from Skkkip Bayless
9:01 Thank God that Jordan had Pippen there to save the day by averaging 12 points. That is the reason the Bulls finally won a Playoff series, don't let anyone tell you anything else.
I’m in my 40’s here’s my top 3 all time greats: #1 Jordan #2 Kobe #3 Bird. All three of these guys are one of one type players that we will NEVER see again. All 3 have the killer instinct and had the ability to will their teams to victory, they were always getting the ball when it mattered and everyone knew it. I’d also like to add none of these guys claimed to be greater than any other legends of the game, they were more concerned about winning and being the best players they could be. LeBron fails in every one of these metrics, he’s definitely a “great” player, just nowhere near the greatest of all time. The 3 men I listed will have clout for hundreds of years, Babe Ruth level recognition. LeBron will be forgotten way before these guys.
*...it SHOULD be beneath him, but unfortunately its not. *Calculated moves that he thinks are genius. *Smokescreens/ built-in. etc.etc.etc.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I Love it!
Winning championships with different organizations and different teammates is NOT a thing that jumps you up in the GOAT conversation…if anything it’s an indictment on him. If you are objectively looking at his career he left Cleveland because he couldn’t get it done. Then created a SUPER team with Wade and Bosh and still only won 2 out of 4. And in 2 of those finals he was absolutely embarrassed! Something that NEVER happened to Jordan in the Finals. Then back to Cleveland and crewed up…AGAIN, and managed to win 1 out of 4 finals . The well went dry in Cleveland…so Bron throws up deuces to Crew up with AD and win 1 Finals in the bubble. So 4-6 in the Finals…getting SWEPT twice!! And gentleman’s swept twice, and a meltdown against the Dirk (only star) Mavs! REALLY!!! He’s the Goat?? 👎Come on! Anyone who’s sober and objective can clearly see LeBron is Great…but No Goat…MJ 🐐
