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On this episode of The Fab Forums I TIG weld together some strut supports on the foxbody mustang hot rod build. I made a little more progress, I hope you dig it.
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@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Whats up fellas!....I left more of the working process in this edit. Let me what you think.
@ndevor2554
@ndevor2554 4 года назад
It’s great. Yours is my favorite channel for the instruction and the work quality. Having more process is really great. Thank you. If you ever see this do you plan on doing anything with the original collector flanges on the headers? Cutting them off and metal finishing or something else? Just curious. Really your content is so worth the wait. Really happy for your success. Take care.
@seanbruno4845
@seanbruno4845 4 года назад
I liked it, it was cool to see you going through the process of doing it.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
@@ndevor2554 I have thought about cutting them off, just not 100% what I'm going to do yet
@ndevor2554
@ndevor2554 4 года назад
The Fab Forums - Thank you for replying. Enjoying the format.
@st162man
@st162man 4 года назад
great to see progress on the bibbster! i want to express my concerns with the "strut bar" and how they are integrated with the turbo mount which then looks tied to the engine. with the forces of the suspension and any aggressive cornering, the engine and the turbo mount will be the parts taking the beating. i would recommend designing a bar to go from one "strut tower" to the other. that way it'll act as a true strut bar and the forces that are applied to it are isolated. however, you did mention that the front is likely to change as the build progresses. just my thoughts. can't wait to see more videos on this build!!
@G_Rapids
@G_Rapids 4 года назад
I can hear the crickets outside your shop, my god, how i would love to work on a turbo mustang for a cricket audience. I hate living in the city.
@gordiefrench5342
@gordiefrench5342 4 года назад
open a tool box drawer filled with tabs cool as hell
@iceberg86
@iceberg86 4 года назад
Loving the build 👌. Can't wait to see it finished
@shanewright6958
@shanewright6958 4 года назад
That's another great video. Nice to see what's going on and what you're doing 👍👍👍
@clove-rc6cg
@clove-rc6cg 4 года назад
You going to crack the heads on no time
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
lol...oh yeah
@jcnpresser
@jcnpresser 4 года назад
Dude your were twisting that strut support and that strut moved about a 1/4 inch camber change, crazy how much it moved.
@danikael2815
@danikael2815 4 года назад
Feels like years since i last saw a bibster episode been so busy with work i saw this and jumped as soon as i could
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
yeah they have been a little erratic as pf late
@chillax498
@chillax498 4 года назад
Good stuff..she s coming along..work of art !
@GarageTimeAutoResto
@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 года назад
Great looking front end on that ride. Never seen a frame like it
@charlesx3794
@charlesx3794 4 года назад
I love what you do man I love these videos
@bobaque70
@bobaque70 4 года назад
Bibster has came along way.been enjoyable build for sure and is definitely gonna stand alone at mustang events.i owned 90 hatch 5.0 5 speed Red/Red loved that car,guess why I'm loving this build so much!
@josetesuarez
@josetesuarez 4 года назад
Looking awesome man. In my modest opinion, you are a very talented fabricator, I really like the way you figure out your projects, it's open minded, intuitive and dynamic. Nice job!
@davidholdman8015
@davidholdman8015 4 года назад
Awesome 😎
@claylittleton8414
@claylittleton8414 4 года назад
I think this is going to be the most incredible ot rod ever built, bar none. Can't wait.
@kevinm3751
@kevinm3751 4 года назад
Lookin Good!
@harpz902
@harpz902 4 года назад
Coming along very nicely Kyle !
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
thanks
@rafatrill
@rafatrill 4 года назад
Nice keep up the good work Kyle god bless
@jimallen199
@jimallen199 4 года назад
The Bibbster is looking gorgeous,
@RRMGarage
@RRMGarage 4 года назад
looking good bro!
@HoustonKilby
@HoustonKilby 4 года назад
Looking good man ! One day at a time.
@RuckStyleUK
@RuckStyleUK 4 года назад
Great video enjoy seeing the welding and fitting process. Be nice to see a close up of your welds
@fox-body
@fox-body 4 года назад
Lookin good buddy.
@cburford2730
@cburford2730 4 года назад
Damn brother! Badass, been away for a while since your turbo fox you were building and had just started on the bibster. Love the new shop and badass fabbing
@cecil6711
@cecil6711 4 года назад
I am definitely diggin' the action shots of you tiggin' on the Bibster. :-)
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
yeah figured I would show a lot more of the process vs snippets through music
@Freedomfab
@Freedomfab 4 года назад
Looks great love the work. Think the joint on the strut tower should be turned horizontally. Parallel with the tube it would match the other joints. Keep it up. 👍
@pgscirocco16v45
@pgscirocco16v45 4 года назад
No it brings the front end together and yes I would include the crossbar in the center.
@jamest5149
@jamest5149 4 года назад
I think the new tie rods would look better in the same size tube as the main tubes - would keep the theme better. Either way it’s going to look killer
@RideAlongTexas
@RideAlongTexas 4 года назад
Love the build and got tickled by the mouth marking method, but please get yourself some magnets. My shop can’t work without them.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
I have some...just hate all the metal they pick up in the shop
@dougwieck3622
@dougwieck3622 4 года назад
I love your build! You should tie the intake for the turbo into the firewall/cowl to pull from the same place the old hvac did. This would help match the exhaust. love the fact you put the radiator in the rear, it really will show the engine.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
that will be were the fuel cell will be located
@Hoppysjunkyardrally
@Hoppysjunkyardrally 4 года назад
i got you bro... 11 1/4"... lol another well spent 17 min and 14 seconds! Fab Forums FTW!
@TheMick26
@TheMick26 4 года назад
Hey Kyle. I'm diggin' the new jewelry on the Bibbster.👌 Yeah, I like seeing your work. It's always interesting to see how the next man reacts to certain scenarios during the fabrication process... right down to needing that third hand. Nice Fab Forums pro tip, btw. Sometimes the solution to a problem is right there on the tip of your tongue.😉😁 I've actually used that one before. Hey, whatever gets the job done.👊 The real question is, where's the Black Bear when you needed her? Maybe running the camera?😜 Have a great day, buddy. It's almost Friday.
@sketchyfabco
@sketchyfabco 4 года назад
I only have one concern. It doesn't seem like a good idea to use the cylinder heads as structural components for suspension. I would be worried about it sheering or stretching a head bolt/stud or stressing the head in some other way.
@BasinMotorsports
@BasinMotorsports 4 года назад
Have fun at SEMA this year. Maybe we'll cross paths next year or in the future.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
for sure
@oikkuoek
@oikkuoek 4 года назад
The tighter you get those strut towers bound together, the better. At least in cornering. Only issue I find in that is torque twisting messing the wheel alignment.. for the intake/exhaust, how about fabbing a muffler to look like an air filter, and then just bolt them directly on both sides of the knot?
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 4 года назад
The bore offset is appoximately the width of the big ends - Big End Width: 21.11mm/0.831". The actual head offset to machined faces will be fairly close to that. I had been wondering about the stability of the top mount, using the engine as a stressed member has been done for decades in motorsport, you're just doing the same thing in a different way - good move, it'll make a big difference to stiffness!
@jakeofallterrains9048
@jakeofallterrains9048 4 года назад
I appreciate all the tooobes
@chris_b_liven
@chris_b_liven 4 года назад
The Sharpie Third Hand To The Rescue 😂
@slickmotormotorszerviz3599
@slickmotormotorszerviz3599 4 года назад
Damn I'm sad I found your channel just now and not sooner. That car looks f@#&#-$(in' amazing. Now i have to watch every stuff you uploaded from the start..the more you know !
@winstonpaul3398
@winstonpaul3398 4 года назад
Lasty for the exhaust you have to remember it coming out it can push so why not straight up exhaust and it will push down the front end if you add two turbos equally to the sides if you're pushing out just something to think about the thrush will give a push
@firstname3078
@firstname3078 4 года назад
That mouth-marker-marking-system you used was sweet! I like seeing the extra work in your vids, for sure. The shop is looking amazing; keep up the good work! On a side note, I finally just realized in this episode that I don't see any kind of charged air cooling setup. What am I missing?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Water meth for cooling
@Audische
@Audische 4 года назад
just a suggestion that you might want to adjust those joints in the middle before making that tube so that you have adjustment in and out,
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Camber is in too far as it is so they will both need to go out
@winstonbrooks6254
@winstonbrooks6254 4 года назад
Stay with Alum
@JD-fx1mb
@JD-fx1mb 4 года назад
I'm not to sure about applying lateral forces to the front of the engine/heads Think the front cross member just under the turbo would be a better choice (IMO) and also a horz strut bar as well
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
The heads wont be affected by the little amount of force these will make. think about the forces blower setups apply to cylinder heads with no issues
@Rumeel12708
@Rumeel12708 4 года назад
You should add a sound system to your garage.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
I already have one
@oldenfarten5350
@oldenfarten5350 4 года назад
So quick question about shark hide.Can I use it on aluminum and can i tig over an area it has been applied to on aluminum or steel ?? Or do I need to go back over the area with acetone.Say i make a piece up for later and coat it with Shark,so it does not get anything on it...but later I need to to or mig over an area that it has been applied.do I need to grind it off or acetone it away?
@davidcantyne7991
@davidcantyne7991 4 года назад
My HF gloves look the same way. They don’t last long but for the price
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
yeah I have tons and buy them by the dozen
@royb642
@royb642 4 года назад
Great job , your work is inspiring, Quick question, why is the motor offset? And are you gonna put dampers on the braze?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Offset is in an effort to make room for the pedal cluster. The body is 8 inches narrower than a stock fox
@industrialpalletworx3548
@industrialpalletworx3548 4 года назад
Looks great. I'm digging on all the tubing. Lots of details to absorb. Were you sanding off the shark hide to weld the tabs on? Also I'm thinking since the car is indoors is the reason the tubes stay glossy. I was curious if they will stay like that once they've been subjected to the elements
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
the chassis tubes are all cleared in Diamond Clear which is what I was sanding off
@industrialpalletworx3548
@industrialpalletworx3548 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums nice I like it. Is it fairly durable?
@G_Rapids
@G_Rapids 4 года назад
Have you ever used an AHP welder? i'm looking to get a budget tig setup and they seem to have a decent setup for under $1000 but curious of your thoughts
@TrojanHorse1959
@TrojanHorse1959 4 года назад
The Fabrication Series - tinyurl.com/y424hkwm - has a video review of the AHP welders. I am getting the new AHP AlphaTIG 201XD myself. ahpwelds.com/product/ahp-alphatig-201xd
@Chad_N_Stacey_Hopson
@Chad_N_Stacey_Hopson 4 года назад
NICE TOUCH BROTHER.... WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE EVERLAST LIGHTNING MTS 275? I PRE-ORDERED ONE THAT SHOULD BE HERE AROUND CHRISTMAS.... DO YOU HAVE ANY BUDDY'S THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO TEST ONE OR HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IT?? DO WORK SON!!!!
@Kakes676
@Kakes676 4 года назад
I was thinking 11”. Was we close?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Lol...not sure. I need to measure it
@hcraftcustoms7180
@hcraftcustoms7180 4 года назад
Are the new tie rods not going to put the swing arm type front suspension in a bind as it travels up and down? The swing arm wants to travel in the vertical plain, now the tie wants to make the forward end of the swing move in an arc?
@Finnspin_unicycles
@Finnspin_unicycles 4 года назад
I think you are right. Overall there are now 3 attachment points on the swingarm (plus the coilover) which should mean it doesn't swing anymore.
@hcraftcustoms7180
@hcraftcustoms7180 4 года назад
@@Finnspin_unicycles I don't think it will stop it moving, it will however put side loads on the top mount, create camber gain and potentially fracture a part of the assembly. The craftsmanship is top quality no doubt, but I do think this is an oversight I'm sorry to say.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
none of that stuff moves....its all solid. ride height adjustment is all done with the "strut"
@hcraftcustoms7180
@hcraftcustoms7180 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums Hey man thanks for the clarification, for some reason I thought the swing arm had a ram to lay it out, sorry. Awesome fab work.
@earlcousins6635
@earlcousins6635 4 года назад
I didn't see the vid on constructing the wall in the "Office". Did you use "T&G" pine boards? Thanks.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
They were cedar fence pickets
@earlcousins6635
@earlcousins6635 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums Thanks much! Good luck on the continuation of the shop!
@TrojanHorse1959
@TrojanHorse1959 4 года назад
Great video Kyle, I like to see how you work and problem solve, thanks! P.S. Just curious, are you related to Justin Voss?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Thanks. No, no relation
@laurenstephenson9551
@laurenstephenson9551 4 года назад
When you're engine torques from side to side won't it can change your camber?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
It's all solid mounted
@cobadogeats
@cobadogeats 4 года назад
Not sure you took into account how those braces will affect the geometry of the suspension given the fact that you are using articulating the top strut ball joint to raise and lower the suspension - maybe run it through an arc to see what it does to the Camber and Caster?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
the top ball joint doesn't move...essentially the "strut" it self just gets longer or shorter to adjust ride height
@cobadogeats
@cobadogeats 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums cool, just wondering
@turboman351w3
@turboman351w3 4 года назад
hey fab is that a SHP DART FORD BLOCK
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
not this one
@trailerpark187
@trailerpark187 4 года назад
Is that a new square body I see? Or did I miss something. Nice relaxing sound of frogs in the background
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
you must have missed it....Meet Cali-Ente. Its a new squarebody c10
@shotsrodder
@shotsrodder 4 года назад
Do you have a plan for lighting
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Not really
@Big_D_SD
@Big_D_SD 4 года назад
Is there going to be enough travel in the inner heims with the tabs installed lying on their sides like that.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
should need any travel. none of that will move
@Big_D_SD
@Big_D_SD 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums I thought you were going to have adjustable ride height using an air or hydraulic cylinder at the back of the arms were they connect to the chassis.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
@@Big_D_SD no the hydraulic cylinders are also the struts. They are controlled by accumulators which allow them to work like a sprung system without the springs and will also have the ability to go up and down for ride height adjustment.
@pbmachines972
@pbmachines972 4 года назад
I was wondering about exhaust. mufflers?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
No mufflers, hopefully the turbo tones it down a bit
@pbmachines972
@pbmachines972 4 года назад
The Fab Forums yeah it will
@jeodirtymcive673
@jeodirtymcive673 4 года назад
how are you gunna take out the engine out in 1 with them their
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
They will need to be undone
@taylormoyer1150
@taylormoyer1150 4 года назад
I think this is a cool idea, but what does have me puzzled is that the movement from the motor will flex the suspension angles and is not suitable for driving, especially if its got anything but solid motor mounts. even with solid mounts there will be a lot of stress and flex you wont see until you drive it.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
everything is solid...it wont move
@DodgyBrothersEngineering
@DodgyBrothersEngineering 4 года назад
Loving this project but have serious engineering doubts about those new brace pieces you put in. Can see them causing all sorts of steering issues. Would like to see the centre front of the car jacked up and see the wheels move through their range of motion, I can really see this binding badly. Have you mocked this up in Sketchy Physics or something similar?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
none of the upper tubes will ever move its all solid mounted by design, no different than a traditional strut tower on a modern car except I just made everything out of tubes. The lower a arms are the only thing that move. The hydraulic cylinder will be the strut and spring in one with the help of some accumulators.
@DodgyBrothersEngineering
@DodgyBrothersEngineering 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums I was speaking with a friend of mine at length about it since he has designed a number of chassis, and he is my go to guy for anything suspension related, and we both had concerns about the heim joints near the engine breaking at the threads. The biggest concern is the two non equidistant heim joints at the bottom (of the top arm at the firewall) are going to cause a rotational twist on that arm, since the whole arm is just like a massive breaker bar with a pivot point. Upward force on the tyre from a road bump is going to act like a multiplier at those heim joints since the top arm is going to act like a meter long lever. And while the heim joints would ordinarily allow a certain amount of rotational movement on a single pivot point, having two different axis locked (from the point of inertia) is going to cause them to bind and twist at the weakest point the heim joints. The reason most lower A arms are on the same plane (basically you can put one long bolt through both mount holes) is to stop this rotational twist / binding. They don't have to be absolutely symmetrical from the point of inertia (although desirable) but they do need to be on the same plane. The best example I can think of is a motorbike rear swing arm... Now it doesn't matter if it is a conventional arrangement, or a single sided swing arm like on a lot of Ducati's, that doesn't matter, but what does matter is at the other end where they mount. Usually motorbikes have a long single bolt that goes through both mounting holes, now imagine you keep both holes parallel but you shorten or lengthen one of the swing arm legs by a couple of inches. Even though they are parallel they are no longer rotating in the same plane and will bind and try to rotate around the new axis between them. Even if you didn't want the swing arm to move, let's say we decide to make it a rigid. So we replace the shock with a solid bar. The twist force on the rear trailing arm will still be there even though the swing arm can no longer move, we have built the stress point into the design. The top arms you just fitted to stop the sideways movement adds a third axis on which it is trying to rotate at the same time. Heim joints work well under compression or tension, but are prone to failure when placed in a sideways sheer situation. The top arm lower heim joints are subject to this, but no where near as much as those new bracing pieces will be. The top arms will move under driving conditions, there is just too much mechanical leverage for them not to. It may not be that much, or that obvious (without measuring deflection during driving conditions) but it will cause movement and fatigue over time. The new shorter arms don't have the length of tube to absorb the twist as much as the top arms, and the heim joint seems more predispositioned to sheer.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
Hey guys, I appreciate your concern and would be happy to address them in more detail. I think me making a private video for you guys may be the easiest. Shoot me an email and I will supply you the link once finished.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering got it
@bimotahb1
@bimotahb1 4 года назад
So is the idea there is no real load on the towers unless the strut bottoms out? Odd design just wondering the engineering behind it hah tallows it to be a designed so unconventional? thanks looks amazing though!
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
yeah but it cant bottom out really because it has enough travel to lay the chassis on the ground
@KTX666
@KTX666 4 года назад
am i the only one thinking it's all gonna bind up when the suspension cycles? the way the joints are set up on the bottom of the cage (not inline) and the bottom of the struts tied together, and now the extra arms on the top... they're all working against each other. it looks really cool, but does it work? how about making a video of the suspension cycling from lowest to highest setting?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
everything is designed to be solid. none of the upper bars and heims will be moving. Think of it just like a traditional strut tower on a modern car but made with heims and tubes.
@KTX666
@KTX666 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums ah, okay :-) i thought it was going to have inboard airbags move the entire strut and everything up and down. i must not have been paying attention ;-) thanks for the reply, and thanks for sharing cool videos. i am really envious of your new shop, it's awesome :-)
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
@@KTX666 thanks man. In the very beginning I was talking about doing inboard hydraulic cylinders with normal struts and springs but changed it to what I have now
@KTX666
@KTX666 4 года назад
@@Thefabforums see, i wasn't paying attention ;-) well i did in the beginning, but not so much later on, apparently :-D now i'm at ease, and is confident it will be even more awesome :-) keep up the good work.
@toddolsen5421
@toddolsen5421 4 года назад
when you wound in the new heim jointed bar the whole strut started moving in a bit dodgy dont you have to have your cars engineered in america?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
yeah its engineered to do that. thats how the camber is adjusted
@HenryOCarmichaelSmith
@HenryOCarmichaelSmith 4 года назад
Are you tacking with pulse or something? Almost sounds like AC
@benc8386
@benc8386 4 года назад
I think that's the special fusion tack setting he has on his welder. He talked about it in a recent video.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
It's the tack feature the Magicwave has. It basically flutters the arch for a specified amount of time.
@limitlessbuilds
@limitlessbuilds 4 года назад
First finally.
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
boom !
@limitlessbuilds
@limitlessbuilds 4 года назад
Personally I like the editing on this. I stopped filming everything too. Most people don’t care about how you got something done, just want to see things fitted.
@jerr6
@jerr6 4 года назад
No intercooler ??
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
No...will just run some water meth if needed.
@jerr6
@jerr6 4 года назад
The Fab Forums cool. I run no intercooler on a blow through setup. On pump gas and water/meth setup. How high boost you planning ?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
@@jerr6 not much, just gonna be a cruiser
@bugulater
@bugulater 4 года назад
But doesn't the engine move around?
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
no its all solid mounted
@williamhendrix3253
@williamhendrix3253 4 года назад
did your dad write that bio? also the car is called the “bibbster”??
@Thefabforums
@Thefabforums 4 года назад
yes and yes
@Finnspin_unicycles
@Finnspin_unicycles 4 года назад
I may be wrong, but to me it looks like you have just made your coilovers useless... The "struttop" can't move now, can it?
@meangenevstheworld.7773
@meangenevstheworld.7773 4 года назад
You sure got a pretty mouth. 😆
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