Top Most Absurd Mormon Things Nobody Ever Talks About! w/ Bill Reel 

Hey the phone got too hot and around 1:21:41 it shuts off and the next place you should jump to is….1:23:52 for where we get back into it! I’ll edit it on Sunday and have the audio as a podcast on my Patreon on Monday in addition to all my other YT video audios! Thanks! ❤️

I was born in 1968. I remember hearing Spencer W. Kimball speaking on our local (Dallas, Texas) news about the lifting of the race ban. We were in the car going to my aunt's and uncle's house when we heard the news on the radio. There were a certain segment of members at our ward who were very disturbed by the news. My uncle quit going to church afterward. When we got to my aunt's and uncle's house, Uncle J. was totally flipping out. He was using swear words I had never heard before. It was HUGE deal at the time. My mother (who was not racist) told me that the church had done the right thing and that Uncle J. was the one who was wrong. As I got older I started wondering why it took so long for this "revelation" to happen. It took much longer for me to realize the whole religion was the opposite of "truth".

I've always thought the story of the Mormon barges in the book of Ether is absurd. Here you have eight airtight barges with a bunch of people, their livestock and bees sealed up inside, getting blown across the ocean by a furious wind. Apparently both the top and bottom of the barges were the same, since the Lord had them bore a hole in both the top and bottom, so that whichever side happened to be facing up could have a stopper removed to let in air. First of all, a single hole is not going to have any air circulation, so the people and their livestock would likely have suffocated. Then, can you imagine these barges rolling over and over in the "mountain waves" and plunging into the depths in the "great and terrible tempests" with people and animals flying every which way inside them, along with hives of bees? That would have been a merry old time!

All 4 of my grandparents(Texas and Arizona) never got over the race issues concerning Indigenous Americans and POC. So shameful. So embarrassing. Moving from Texas to South Carolina for the last 23 years made me realize that racism is still alive and well among members. So sad.

I was angry that Rod Meldrum broke Cara and she left MSP. So SO SOOOO glad to see and hear you back at it. Love you girl!!!

I went through my faith crisis from 2014-2018 and I just have to say...latter day exmos have it good with content available! I was so lost and trapped in Idaho surrounded by my ultra mormon and ultra toxic family. I learned a lot and had to trek through unchartered territory. In a way, I feel much closer to my ancestors because I actually have had to go against the grain and experience hatred and persecution...ironically from my own tribe. I was absolutely fascinated by this video. Thanks so much for your energy, Cara. You are so vulnerable and bold and I really admire your ability to keep it real and spill the real tea

"Indistinguishable from a fraud" are the words I've been looking for ever since I left. So many aspects of the church are exactly as you would expect them to be if the church were a fraud. Even if there was a possible church-affirming argument for every issue with Mormonism, you would still have to believe that a God who thinks infinite torture is an appropriate punishment for not believing in a church that looks so much like a fraud is worth worshipping, and I just don't.

The people sunk into unbelief anyway... AND apparently Joseph didn't even need the plates to "translate" the Book of Mormon. Now we know he didn't use the plates at all, he just stuck his head in a hat. So Laban died for literally no reason.

I talked to this Mormon once that said that the reason Black people were banned from the priesthood was because the church was so vulnerable that had they accepted Black people at the time, the church wouldn't have lasted due to all the persecution they'd have received. I'm convinced some people know the church is bullshit and just can't accept that they can be wrong sometimes, and he's one of them.

I wish you had a TRDL (too random didn't listen) version. I know there is lots of great info, but I wish there was a "cut to the chase" button. If someone could make a content list with time stamps......

I enjoyed the relaxed nature of this video. 92 degrees, yikes! We’re still in the 50’s here. Light skinned Europeans are not ancient. Studies of ancient genomes have shown that ancient Europeans had dark skin & blue eyes. Cheddar man had dark skin & blue eyes. Same for a 7000 year old man who lived in modern day Spain. The new diet that was a result of the agricultural revolution influenced skin tones. Also mate selection. Also latitude. It wasn’t one factor. And it definitely had nothing to do with valiance or preexistence fence-sitting. That’s nutty.

It's hillarious to think that an ocean going ship was built on the Arabian Peninsula at that time. Dhows (small Arabian sail boats) were built to enable locals to spear fish. They were made of wood planks, tied with coconut string. They were pointed at both ends, with a triangular sail attached to a fixed pole. Although later Dhows could travel into deeper water, they could not yet travel as Mormonism suggests. JS had a habit of creating great fairy stories, forgetting that mankind is fast progressing and, wait for it, would one day have computers & Internet. Shame, it was a great tale.

12:12 - I do believe we need to move away from our faith. It is the dogged determination to believe in what we cannot know and does not adhere to reality, that slows our progression toward recognizing actual truth and dealing with it.

When the car alarm went off about 2 min from the end I thought “Moroni got his wings!”

Hi Carah. Please can you turn on the subtitles in English? It helps me to understand everything you speak!😊

You guys are great! Loved this!

Great to see you both together. Love you both❤👍

You two are like chocolate and peanut butter - great in your own, but even better together. Love you both.

Keep up the good work Nuancehoe. Enjoyed this collaboration with Bill Reel.

You know? When you stop to think about it. Praying for your keys and things when there are children being abused, going hungry, and all manner of terrible situations is pretty damn selfish. And the fact that “God” supposedly intervenes for your keys but not the pleading of an abused child is about as messed up as can be.

Awesome! My two favorite people! Love the backyard in closure! LOL! ♥️

Love this talk of facts and evidence! 😇 I also enjoyed how we had the same face when Bill was talking about the Book of Abraham, and what they took out, then put back in... I turned my screen on and rewound to check. 🤪 So proud of Reel coming out of "the" church @ 32, AS A BISHOP!

At the core of the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham is racism. The church can't get away from it because these are its scriptures.

Guys. I've got the answer. Whenever it doesn't make sense? Put your face in the hat and ask the stone. Boooooom

I'm an ex mormon from over by Toledo! Our ward would regularly take trips to the Kirtland temple over by Cleveland. So happy to be done with all that!

“And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.” How does he struggle for breath with his head chopped off?

In August 2023 I read an obituary where it mentioned that the deceased had fostered three Lamanite children.

Thanks so much. Enlightening is an understatement

Carah is so intelligent, funny and articluate, I enjoy listening to her. I’m 52 so a Gen Xer, but she resonates with me.

Did the boat builder use Boat Building for Dummies as written by Noah?

Carah, if you ever come down to SG again and not let me give you a high five and thank you for your content then I will be pretty ticked off 😂 But really, you, Bill, RFM (love this dynamic duo!), John Dehlin, John Larsen (love John Larsen!), LDS Discussions, Sammy, Nemo, the whole crew is phenomenal. I left mormonism a long time ago due to the limited knowledge I had about what was hid: BoA, Joe's polyandry and underage plural wives, rock in a hat. That's all I knew and left with that. Since that time I got back involved in fully deconstructing and went down the rabbit hole of the extent of how bad the messiness is and it is fascinating. I love to learn more and more and I really do appreciate the amount of time and energy you all put into this. I need to stop by the shop in Hurricane and chat with Bill some time.

Got to love the flexibility and nuance around a monthly return to Mormon stories. That’s walking the walk.

Awesome episode. Love Bill

Really loved this discussion 🌈

7:04- When you were referring to IRRATIONAL CONCLUSIONS about the roof noises... That's how I would describe CHRISTIANS as well. I was one.

loved this! I think it is amazing the wall we put up mentally. We really did just overplay the miracle card in our justifications for how everything could have happened. I loved Utcorfs talk a few years ago where he compared belief to two airplane wings, faith, and logic. But under Mormonism, our airplane is just spinning in circles on the tarmac because there is no logical basis for how the historical events could have taken place. also Talmage was an apostle, early 1900's. He wrote Jesus the Christ. In the footnotes, he said that land northward was north America, land southward south america. Interesting to me on how that view was held by members, during that time, changed later.

Many thanks Cara! I always to watch Bill Reel stories and gratitude!

Ironically I think it’s when learning about Heber J. Grant that we can see the way Mormonism operates. We see his abuse of power to implement the very dogmatic way he was raised to think. We consider his strong willed mother and his father who died when he was an infant. We see the nepotism and the imposition of HJGs personal dogma that he imposed on the Church. He was in power so long we should all know more about him; not just the whitewashed version we are spoon-fed

💯mg 💨🌿 👂 two atheists spew truth about my favorite 🤩 cult. Amen 🙏

But did Noah not build a boat and put all living creatures on it and all the food they animals would need. He was not a trained boat builder?

It is in the 40's this morning, Mothers Day. 92 is crazy hot!

I hadn’t heard the “catalyst” theory before, but I thought of it myself within a different context yesterday. “What if Joseph Smith is a fraud, but God still managed to use him to create the BoM, which is true?” It’s similar mental gymnastics. However, in either case the structure collapses as you realize that neither the prophet nor the works produced hold up to any degree of scrutiny.

Is it strange how I also apply the "my intuition is better than theirs" to the corporate model writ large?

Moroni at Manti is not nearly as "bad" as a stack of rocks being pronounced Adam-ondi-Ahman and the whole Story about The Garden of Eden in Missouri...and Ground Zero for the return of Christ and the building of Zion.

There is ONE absurdity yous guys missed; you need to talk about the three invisible living-forever-on-earth Nephites! ;-) marcus

I always love it when the answer from a TBM will be to follow the “Prophet” and the so-called “Law” of Chastity. Not a prophet and not a law. It’s like saying I have stipulated to these conditions and they are assuming I believe these concepts too. No I don’t and they never have a better idea. It all works when you suspend reality

Reminds me of the book "When Lucifer and Jezebel Join Your Church" by Dick Bernal

When you are flying a plane, the dynamic is different. Depending on your visual, you can very easily lose track of direction as in up or down. Many planes have crashed from this phenomenon including JFK Junior's last flight. That is why knowing how to fly exclusively with your instructors is so important

My great uncle and aunt lived in Port Clinton. I used to go out to visit and fish. Then go to his house for fish fries. Best fish I ever ate. I live just east in Bay Village

they definitely smashed at the Thrive Party!

I grew up in the church, but stopped going when I was about 18. I always read the Bible and Book of Mormon as fables. Meaning, I didn’t believe the stories to have actually occurred, but were fables to help you get through life and make good decisions. At any rate, I also believe that all religions are manmade due to greed, control, or fear. I was starting to become an atheist in my late 20s, then I took an astronomy class for college. Surprisingly, that’s what made me believe in a higher being again. Our universe, solar system, earth is just too much to be a coincidence. What are the odds that every thing came into place to cause the seasons, rain, air, and human beings. Think about everything that had to happen to create and make this planet work and it is just amazing. No one knows the answer about God. Just do whatever gives you peace and helps you be a better person. ❤️❤️

It's Bill Reel! And more importantly:. Nuance Ho, My favorite "previous Mormon" attractive exmo

Love Bill!

In relation to the Nephi ship, another analogy could be something along the lines that "SpaceX, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic, etc. are making rockets that can go to space, so therefore I should be able to build a rocket to go to space"...

Bill I would enjoy a rational discussion around the concept of space travel with you.

Re racial stuff- Bill's comments on group size and us/them is very good. There is a book called Prisoners of Geography, which explores how the places people are affected the history of those communities. One key comparison was areas of easy trade, navigable rivers, access etc lead to urban contexts. The very way we use the word civilised = developed rather than the more accurate 'of the city" ie urban, shows how those cultures consider themselves advanced and clever. Meanwhile groups of humans who don't create as big an impact on the land where they live got classed as' uncivilised '. Yet the prisoners of geography book noted that in large areas of Africa rivers have great waterfalls or other reasons why trade would stay more local and affect how societies developed. Of course there were long distance trading but it was harder. Because the Europeans considered themselves as advanced and then took over countries full of people who did not do things their way, the idea of native cultures as 'primative' also was a key aspect to racism. In the light of the impact of 'civilisation' on the wellbeing of the planet, I question which is the advanced and sustainable cultures.

Can someone give me the title or link of the Bill episode that Carah referenced about dogma?

"Anything's possible for God ". Then why didn't God just teleport the Jaredites over?

What is the John Larson video you referred to? I don't see a link

That's wild! I have a cousin from Port Clinton and I'm watching from just an hour south of there. Fortunately, I was never Mormon so I'm just watching out of curiosity.

The Manti blessing was needed because they were invaded by rattle snakes.

Wish there were chapters

A very strange Mormon thing. The word "anciently" used as an adverb to describe something(s) that happened in distant past. I have never seen or heard "anciently" used by anyone else beside Mormons.

Tbe boat is like the story of Noah! And worldwide animals in one location. Ha ha

Bill Reel should offer Personal Worthiness Interviews for a few. I miss the exquisite terror of such invasive inquisitions. I miss the guilt. Bill, please offer this tool of shame for exMo's. If successful to you could then offer to Patriarchal Blessings.

Born and indoctrinated into the church and when I asked at 5 years old why my first friend ever died of cancer my parents told me it was god’s plan…from then on I was terrified of god, his “plan” and the wrath I would incur if I went astray.

Your description of what it's like to leave Mormonism and realize how much more wisdom and thought there is out there that you could've been consuming this entire time is what leaving the right was like for me. The most intellectual thing I consumed as a on the right was probably like Armoured Skeptic videos lmao. Then, when I started frequenting more left-leaning internet spaces, I realized how much more the left values learning and reason. It's not enough to just watch RU-vid videos. If you really want to keep up, you also have to consume film and literature from all different eras, learn the basics of every subject you can, learn how to read science writing and comprehend/think critically about it, and so much more. I've been on the left for a while, but have only recently discovered these spaces and honestly, it's thrilling. I feel like I will never run out of books to read or skills to learn.

I heard Carah say bikini pics and immediately forgot everything else that was said in this video...

Non Non-fiction gall here too! Yes for no-if!

Well Moroni was an Angel so therefore he had magical super natural powers.

Plus Mulekites! Just built their own boat as well

FYI - your Absurdities document on google docs is missing. "not found"

I didn’t know you were from Ohio! Here’s to the Ohio Exmos-the OHexmos :)

I became a atheist when I realized all religions are based on illogical "faith"

Non Mormon here! I'm just curious if apologists try to say that the transatlantic sailing was a miracle similar to Noah with the ark?

What about kon tiki?

Cut to the chase

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1:10:26 The difference between the catalyst theory and Joseph making it up is that the LDS god actually exists in the first scenario but he doesn't exist in the later. The problem is that, since you can't tell the difference, you can't have actual _knowledge_ that it is in fact an authentic book of scripture. edit: And to pray about it to know if it is scripture is to simply presume the LDS god exists. So you could never justify a claim to knowledge of it's authenticity except through pain of circularity.

New Testament Jesus is not all Love and Rainbows. He approves of poor people spending money they don't have on oil for his feet, because "The poor will always be with you, but I am here for a short time." Matthew 26:11. He also praises the poor widow for giving money she can't afford to the running of the temple. Justification for sure for tithing no matter how poor you are. He promises to come back and kill most people and save only a few--like a "thief in the night", and that those saved are few and those destroyed many. I could go on. You have to disregard so much of what Jesus said and did, to create a loving, inclusive version.

Presupposition is the keystone of faith’s foundation. I mean, if Noah could do what the Bible claims he did-or any of the crazy ass things claimed in the Bible…”because God…”

The male misogynistic, narcissistic, repulsive, psychotic personality traits were just too great for me to ever accept. I passified my surroundings until I could leave.

allowances = mental gymnastics

57min....spot on... Insipid Mormon poop

Lmao ALL of Mormonism is absurd af

I thought Moroni was an angel and could just appear places anywhere any time.

Shiz was obviously the shiznit . .

As an x jw I do believe in flat earth or am I replacing one for another

Mormon apologists would say (and HAVE SAID) to all those impossibilities..."god works in mysterious ways"...

27:35 My thoughts exactly. If I die and find out that God is real, that bastard is going to have to answer to me. He better dissolve me to native element or I will spend my eternity... let's put it this way, God F'ed up giving me free will. I will use it.

I'm a non-mo, but wasn't Moroni an angel. So why did he have to travel like a human. New temple coming to Modesto, Ca near where I live...I am shocked. We are only about 90 miles from Oakland...why is one needed in Modesto???

As someone from outside the LDS Church, both Mormon deconstructionists and apologists confound me. The Book of Mormon is unworthy of consideration as anything but a science-fiction epic. Why would anyone need to talk themselves out of it? P.S.- Arrakis isn't real, either...

Love you guys! Sin = death Jesus= life I'm Joyfull you guys got out of that cult, the biblical Jesus is alive and well! I'm born again Christian and I love talking to Mormon missionaries but they just shut down when faced with Joseph Smith's actual life! Anyway, being a member of any church doesn't save you, going to church doesn't save you, belief on Jesus of the Bible saves! Religion is man seeking God Jesus is God seeking man!

Are there people who have a religion in spite of knowing it's man made and fake? Maybe they enjoy the community? I just find it crazy to argue that certain facts aren't true, is not the whole thing made up anyway?

I will say gravity can also take your head down to the ground-Lol- but the pressure in your head KNOWS the difference! haha. But the absurdities in the BOM and the BIBLE are soo far out there. I never believed them as a kid and can still Not understand how anyone can. But people believe all kinds of things and I went out of my way to make up a god to show my daughter confirmation bias. (I raised her without any belief in those magical things). But I said to her even though supposedly the Christian God just watched while kids were abused and did nothing to help -I had always really had good luck finding parking. Maybe gods control parking! The way I actually find parking as I drive around and drive around and drive around and then find parking. The reality is I don’t have good luck finding parking the first time so I keep trying. So I made up A group of Gods we called the parking God’s. and we had pretend prayers that we would find good spaces and of course we did-even if we had to circle for 20 minutes! But then I started applying it to other things like once we went to the theater and it was very crowded and my hip was hurting and I said I’m going to pray to the parking gods that the seat next to me stays empty so I can keep stretching my leg out that way. And funny enough every single seat in the theater was taken except for two and then a person came in and sat in that other one so that the seat next to me was the only seat out of hundreds that stayed empty. Proof! Total proof of the parking gods existence. L O L You would think it was a one in 230 odd chance probably. But also it was really way less than that because the theater was almost full already when I verbalized the desire to have the seat open. So the odds were more like one in 25. I have expanded it to “dear parking gods I would like you to park that money into my account very quickly”. And then the check arrived in the mail.! Proof! At this point we’ve had so many good things that came after we jokingly asked the parking gods that we are almost convinced ourselves. Except we know we made them up. And we refuse to believe absurdities like that.

Bill Reel?

Marriage is a partnership

Carah lift a person up in your arms in a swim pool. They will be lighter and boyant in the water. Heavier outside the pool water! Your error on wt. In the water.

Check the spelling in your headline on this video 😱

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