Toyota GR86 Review / The Chosen One 

Have a reserve deposit on the 2023 premium AT 😁 At MSRP, thanks no haggle

I hate big mac sauce btw

@@18lucky17 unfortunate, but congrats!

@@Realistick Thank you 😎 Any gr86 > No gr86

I want the premium MT but I don't want the duck bill spoiler, can I get it removed at the dealership?

Thank you

Thanks, im glad you enjoyed it and that means a lot!

Agreed. I'm a convert. Realistick does the most comprehensive real-world reviews on the internet. He covers the things that matter most to many buyers. Throttle House, and Hagerty Reviews with Jason Cammisa definitely have the most fun, innovative reviews, but they don't cover reliability issues and other practical concerns the way Realistic does. It's the same with Alex on Autos, Redline Reviews, or the Straight Pipes, who never mention things like the benefit of Toyota's D-4S port/direct injection in an automotive world chock full of direct injection-only gunkmobiles. While nearly every other reviewer always pines for a turbo in those vehicles that lack them, Realistick is one of the only holdouts who states the obvious: turbos are not what you want for proper throttle response, never mind long-term reliability. It's the same with ever larger touchscreens that lack physical controls, which are becoming a plague throughout the industry, yet we still have fashion-obsessed soccer moms like Andrea from the Motormouth channel who always bases her preferences on the model with the sillier, flashier infotainment system that never works as well as the simpler, more user-friendly system she routinely rejects for not being whiz-bangy enough. It's truly maddening. The savagegeese channel comes the closest to this channel when it comes to detailing real world concerns, or at least they used to, but they've somewhat gotten away from that aspect ever since Jack came on board full time, at which point it transitioned into a bit more of a performance-based channel. Rarely in recent reviews does Mark rail against the scourge of direct injection, turbo heat/tuning glitches, rev hang, piano black, and touch-capacitive garbage they way he used to, and it's a shame. It's as if the industry has finally beaten him into submission. Realistick is seemingly among the last of a dying breed. He has quickly become the standard bearer for honest, to-the-point, level-headed car reviews on the internet. At this point, Sarah-n-Tuned, savagegeese (on a good day), and Jason Cammisa are just about the only remaining competition for Realistic in this arena. This is rather remarkable, considering how new Realistick is to this medium, compared to an autojournalism legend such as Cammisa, or the long-running internet presence of a savagegeese. Keep it up, man. You're doing great work. If there is a just god in automotive heaven, you will be rewarded with lasting success in this business.

@@vlj1133 Hear, hear! You said it all! Cheers!

@@vlj1133 thank you, my goal is to make videos that answer the questions that I am most concerned with myself when interested in a car. I'm always blown away by throttle house and Hagerty too. My goal is to keep my current approach, improve my testing and reach that level of production quality (maybe not Hagerty levels of editing though, they have an insane team). I appreciate the feedback and well wishes!

Thank you, congrats, you're going to love it!

Thank you, Dragy!

😂 I turned it on after a few minutes, the sweat becomes visibly overwhelming quite quickly. That was the main reason I tried to tell myself I wasn't going to get in the trunk!

Congrats!

congrats!

This one was available on a lot but it's a harder car to find for sure, the brz and 86 have been that way for awhile though.

Base models and automatics are easier to find but these are still hard to get.

That sounds bad but also like it could be just a very specific assembly line problem? I'll look into that for my 6 reasons video!

Congrats! Agreed, I love the guys over there but they wouldn't even let me order a Tacoma at msrp, I respect them, but I wouldn't pay it either. I'm glad you finally got ahold of one.

Have you driven the new car yet? I'd agree with you if we were talking about the old one. Id never be upset about more power but the cost is the big issue. Maybe they could do a special STI or toyota equivalent version with the turbo down the road. But I'd much rather keep it NA because of the cost and then it makes it an easier car to upkeep 10 or 15 years down the road. Especially as a track car too!

That's what a special edition is. If you want a turbo 4cyl get the Supra. That's what the cost differential is. Additonal parts also add complexity and reduce reliability.

At this point, id just track down the biggest dealers in your state, one of them might sell everything at msrp. Call them and see if you can put a deposit down on one and just wait for an allocation, it could still take several months but at least your search will be done.

I didn't read that in any of toyota's material so I can't comment on that until I get my hands on a 2023 and have an iPhone handy (I have a Samsung)! I did drive an audi that said the same thing online though that turned out to have wireless Apple carplay AND android auto so I don't doubt it, some of the press and website material doesn't give the full story.

data showed more buyers opted for the auto with the 86 than the brz, at least on the previous gen

I have a 2023 gr 86. It does not have wireless apple car play

U made a mistake then

@@javierrosario6372 Nah, I don't like it. No mistake.

@@javierrosario6372 agreed

how u liking that decision now?

In the US, the top spec is called Premium for the GR86. I think you confused this with the BR-Z, which is available as Premium or Limited. It sure can be confusing!🥴

Yeah there's definitely still room for improvement on interior aesthetics, that part dates it, but it being a drivers car, they nailed the parts you interact with like the Guage cluster and seats. The usage of big analog controls are also welcome for me as they aren't distracting, so not perfect but they got some big things right. The gas mileage is insane though😂

high rpm on the highway without it being trubo is one reason

Gearing hurts mpg. Its not geared like a 80s supercar where 1st gear tops out at 60 mph

@@invertedv12powerhouse77 Toyota has done this before on other vehicles. A poor engineering choice in my opinion.

@@ksorsomeplace I mean, the short gearing is because of what the car is meant to be. its not a grocery getter lol its a sports car with tight gearing for well... cornering and found

My gr86 steel in automatic and man I was really torn between the manual and automatic but I have never driven a manual car so I went with the automatic. I’m looking forward to it!

@@XBOX924 awesome. The automatic is quick. The .6 seconds difference is not enough to brag on the manual, besides most will never master the shifting to get that 6.1 0 to 60 . The auto has the paddle shifters. The auto has adaptive cruise control which is great where manual not offered.

Pavement!

Yes

I heard 6'3", what about inseam?

I did a ton of research on it, could only find it causing failure in one car which got a ton of publicity (as it should). People used to find rtv in the old car's pan too. It's something I want toyota to fix but it's not really that big of a deal if you do some more digging on it.

The oil pick up is a basket shaped pick up, it has 5 sides where the old GT 86 had a single flat filter in the oil pick up, it’s nearly impossible to block the GR86 pick up, as usual the internet blows it all out of proportion, without physics being mentioned

Do some digging for the right dealership, you might get surprised!

@@Realistick Let’s hope so. keep up the great work! 👍🏼

@@markolar3161 thank you

Yeah most of all the dealership near Chicago Illinois and around are taxing so much they want nothing less than 39-42k. They want to charge too much when you can pay similar price for a faster car than the GR86.

I think this is a very limited issue in the manufacturing line as only a few have reported it and I am pretty sure it's already resolved, it's just a matter of making sure each car that was affected gets taken care of. It's a first model year defect.

@@Realistick maybe

Non issue as of now

Have you driven this? They're enormously fun to drive . A 230i is like $20k aud more .... Kind of a big step up. I don't see the link

@@mharro88 nah dude. Right now go on google and look at the current car market in 2022, used GR 86 easily go for $35k and up some even as much as over $40k. That is well within BMW territory for the same money. Don’t sell yourself short, get yourself the better car if you can afford a few thousand more.

@@postalpancho sure once it hits 40 it's near BMW territory that doesn't mean they're more fun to drive especially entry level that lack basic features , and you're ignoring that BMW are selling over sticker as well.. plus warranty is less and servicing is shitloads more.. Personally Im happy I bought a i30n sedan, for the same price fully loaded (Elantra n) with a DCT that nothing matches except pdk and I've tracked it straight from the box. It's a ripper.

@@mharro88 you can easily get a BMW at MSRP because BMW does factory orders unlike Toyota and Hyundai. Even a base model BMW has more features than a top of the line Hyundai or Toyota thanks to BMWs IDrive 8, likely the best infotainment on the market. As far as maintenance the B48 and b58 engines have an amazing track record due to their reliability, tuning potential and performance. Hyundai sounds tempting but they routinely deny warranty claims on unmodified engines, and have poor dealership experience. BMW is considered one of the most reliable brands at the moment, second only to Toyota/Lexus according to consumer reports. Most of that increase in reliability is thanks to the b48 and b58 engines. Sadly you could have easily found yourself in a BMW but you are in a Hyundai. You sold yourself short. A base BMW isn’t the same as a base Hyundai, being a BMW means it has track bred performance already baked in, it’s just miss the flashy marketing. Drive one, do yourself a favor.

@@postalpancho nah mate a base bmw has a shitty 1.5l turbo and no where near as fun as a N. Didn't sell myself short at all they're great value. Dealership network and n division techs here in Australia are awesome. Can't speak for the states. Sounds like you guys have issues. A i30 n sedan is track ready from the box, a base level bmw 100% isn't. Unless you go m2 which is double the price and definitely not double the fun. Albert Biermann who designed n also designed the m division at bmw so it's a pretty decent setup. Just missing the luxury features bmw has but I don't miss that shit

Engine failure*, so far, it's one person to my knowledge, other people are finding rtv in the pickup too but it's not enough to starve the engine of oil. Hopefully they fix it but it's really not as serious as some make it seem.

Not the point of the GR86, it's way more fun than the Mazda3. I love both of those cars but that's like comparing a chicken sandwich to ice cream.

@@Realistick so what’s the point of the car? When it’s priced in a range where others can destroy it. With fit and finish, handling and style! Seems to me it’s out classed! If the price was under say 25k sure it be a hell of a deal. But at 33k nope it’s trash in that price range. No one can out do a Mazda 3 turbo in its price range. Hell mazda punch’s well above it’s class!

@@nachomandetailingservices1057The base model is $29k, this is a ground up sports car, the extra money is in the development and design. I love the mazda3 but I wouldn't compare the two because that would get absolutely obliterated on a track and will not offer the same experience on a backroad too. Simultaneously, the Mazda3 is FAR more luxurious and practical. They are for two different sets of priorities, each are great cars.

@@Realistick well if it handles like a Miata well I ant impressed! That’s why I bought a 2021 mazda 3 turbo. It beats a Miata in all areas. Sure it don’t have a stick, but the close ratio 6 speed auto is just as fun I can literally take a corner at 80 miles an hour and not skip a beat. And these are sharp turns do that with a GR 86 or Mazda Miata really anything for that matter. At going to go to well. Maybe I’ll go test drive your GR86 just so I can say see I told you so 🤣🤣. It’s all good bro as long as your having fun. Keep up the reviews. And as long as it’s not a EV crap I’ll watch ya.

It's all priorities so I don't expect everyone to agree anyways but I'd test drive it for sure if you ever find the chance!

Congratulations 🥳🥳