Reacting to PragerU's documentary called 'Detrans'. It's all kinds of awful, and all kinds of wrong. Join this channel to get access to perks: / @jammidodger
Hello, I am one of these people! My parents refused to use my chosen name or pronouns. I was unwillingly forced back into the closet until I moved out. It didn't kill me to be closeted, but I'm so much more at peace after GC surgery and hormones. I feel like my body is mine at all times. I recognize myself in the mirror, instead of feeling like it's someone else I see. It's nice.
@@PansyPopsthere is also a issue with incarceration still where trans population is more targeted for prosecution and then denied treatment in jail plus face the bigotry from other inmates inside. After you get out I can imagine (particularly if you're still under supervision like probation) having lost a lot of progress by being denied their care and seeing how unsafe being identified as a trans person can be in a worse case situation would impact you trying to continue care right then. 😢 not sure making people targets of unimaginable never ending bullying and abuse is so hard to understand why they might reach a point where they break and try to conform to end the targeting by a entire society 😢 I will always support my trans brothers and sisters (and embies) as I'm a 37yr old lesbian and it was made very clear to me in my youth that my existence was frowned upon and that a large group didn't want me to have equal rights either that hasn't really changed they are just moving to a precived easier target and if they get what they want to force our tran family out of rights of any kind or safty of any kind they wouldn't stop there 😢 I can't understand any LGBTQ community members who are helping with the anti-trans propaganda it is unimaginable to me.
Fr. I'd say in most cases they were failed by the medical system. They need to be assessed for other issues first I went to therapy for many things, trauma as a child, anxiety, anger issues, depression and adhd all separate times. It was when I finally had my realization after I learned what Trans people were was when I fell into a deep depression and had to get emergency therapy to figure out what was going on. And that's when I was able to be open an honest with a therapist about how I felt about myself. I wasn't able to be treated in that small conservative town but I was lucky to have had a very good therapist. For me specifically when I became an adult and moved it only took 3 months to get on T, so I was fairly lucky. However, every step after that has been extremely difficult. I am happy with myself regardless.
I used to identify as trans when I was so insanely depressed. I know now I was confusing body dysmorphia with body dysphoria, but at the time it seemed like the answer to all my problems. I was so unhappy and constantly felt like I was questioning my gender because it didn’t feel right, and no wonder it didn’t because I’m not trans. I don’t look back at that time in my life with any sort of anger or anything, and I’m nothing but supportive of the community, but it definitely did solidify my belief in trans people and that there’s literally no way they could be faking because I tried and I was miserable EDIT: for the people asking in the replies if I’m in a better place I’m glad to say I am!! Took a whole lot of therapy but I’m good and confident in my identity now :)
You've just answered why it's so dangerous...because ppl taking hormones alone leaves permanent changes on the body...so unless u know 100 percent it shouldn't be done ..so an adult simple as
“I missed out on 3 years of my girl hood” I missed out on 27 years, literally 6 months into HRT and I feel so betrayed no one educated me as a child I would’ve transitioned years before
Not only did I miss out on my childhood as a girl but my mom would’ve _loved_ dressing me up in cute dresses as a kid. I am a tomboy now so I probably would’ve been annoyed by it but still XD I do like the skirts that go spin~
I have literally nearly ended myself one time I got so triggered because I didn’t have the boy childhood I needed Been doing really bad last few days dealing with feelings of injustice, sabotage and most of all neglect throughout the years and how I am not the person I wish to be because of those traumas… how do I not see anyone talk trash about my needs as them wanting me dead idk
Every time I hear about PragerU, I think of that tweet where they wrote “Just checked: men still can’t get pregnant.” and everyone was asking how exactly they “checked” lmao
I remember the times PragerU tweeted "Men should not wear women's clothing," to which OneTopic replied "imagine needing the approval of other men to wear clothes💀" Also, F1NN5TER replied to them with a photo of himself in a skirt, captioned "But what if it's really fun?" (Of course, he's genderfluid now, though he still describes himself as a "dude".)
"We f-ed 100 married men, without protection, to see if any of them got pregnant. Did any of them get pregnant?" "None, Steve" "None of them!" *ERRRRRR* "What do you think?" "Yes" "Yes, they did!" *Family Fued song plays* *Celebrating in the background* "Come back next time to see us make more fun of PragerU!"
I detransitioned (socially) in my early twenties. Back then (late 90s/ early 2000s) one had to live as their gender while seeing a therapist for two years before one could start hrt. Nothing was covered by insurance either, and there was no gofundme and the like. Because of a lack of money, and lack of awareness, I detransitioned. I retransitioned starting almost 7 years ago now, and life is way better.
God... it is just, WILD, that so many transphobes are like "this young person got surgery TOO YOUNG! That means its the transes fault!" instead of going "hey, maybe we should investigate and look into these doctors who are prescribing medications so quickly and also performing surgery after one appointment." But no, it's easier to blame a boogeyman, of sorts, than actually tackling the real issue.
The amount of doctors just collecting a paycheck is insanely and horrifically common. It's not surprising that some detransitioners are victims of this. However, there are more medical and mental issues being misdiagnosed and mistreated. I had medicines after medicines thrown at me for anxiety, one damaged my brain. Then many medicines thrown at me for my adhd, but I decided enough was enough and I didn't need medicine for those things when I realized I was just being used for the profit of medicine companies. I've had a legitimate DOCTOR look at an injured hip Xray, tell me nothing was wrong. Meanwhile I couldn't do sports for 2 months while it healed. Now if I go from doing months if physical activity to less activity that hip will get sore and have massive pains that can't be stretched out unless I'm laying down and in the right position. I know this will likely end in a hip replacement at old age but what can I do when doctors don't listen bc you're young and able?
@@dragonwolfzero820 I hope you're doing better, doctors obviously won't do the job that they applied for and others are on the receiving end of the stick. :(
@@dragonwolfzero820Nah, no medical doctor is doing anything even close to what PragerU is claiming. Quacks, maybe, but not doctors. Also? They changed your meds to find the right fit, *that's how it works* even if you don't like it.
the fact that at least one of the people in the documentary still struggles with horrible dysphoria and self hatred and is repressing for their family so they can be a "godly wife" is horrifying and depressing.
It's so sad that you can be on the verge of happiness and contentment with yourself and just throw it all away in the name of "freeing yourself from sin" or whatever the F. Absolutely love your username, by the way.
it looks to me as if much of this detransitioning is untreated depression and anxiety, ideally the depression and dysphoria would be addressed at the same time so that the mental health issues would not get mixed up with transitioning, then, when the depression is addressed they can affirm their trans status with confidence the USA needs comprehensive healthcare to assure that trans and other LGBTQAI people are loved, accepted and affirmed.
I heard someone came down with a nasty case of food poisoning at this one restaurant, I think we can all agree that restaurants are a public health hazard and should all be shut down imminently right gang?
Yeah! And once I bought something from the mall and it broke, so we should definitely shut down all the malls, what if something else breaks in the future???
The first detransitioner in this movie seems to have a skewed definition of grooming, as they seem to have the opinion that they were "groomed" by internet content that they chose. That's not grooming, that's a person misunderstanding the information that they chose to seek out.
Yup fr When I grew up I remember that the things you'd find on RU-vid weren't super political and you wouldn't immediately get sucksd down rabbit holes as badly as today. (Then again I was that kid literally watching Kingdom Hearts Random Crap and anime "crack" videos and vine compilations) that was like 2009-2014.) Seriously tho Every kid has a different level of awareness and comprehension The statements "Every kid knows who they are you should listen" and "kids are too young to know who they are" Neither one of those statements is completely 100% true or false. Every person is different and some people are better at self reflection than others. This alone makes the issue so complicated
This same person also gave an interview where they describe watching "lots and lots of detransition videos" and consuming conservative content around the time of her de-transition... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@dragonwolfzero820 this is why I feel like information about how to determine good sources of information from bad ones, along with other logic and critical thinking topics, should be part of high school curriculum, preferably in the 1st or 2nd year of high school, when students are young enough to both be required by law to attend and still possibly be limited on their unsupervised internet time.
I used to know someone who detransitioned for a while because her grandparents bribed her with tuition. It didn't last long; she was miserable and found a way to pay for school and be a girl at the same time. I'm sure some people detransition because they made a mistake, but I have to wonder how many are manipulated, coerced, or just so unsupported they can't go on.
It would seem that the majority detransition due to social pressures. Some genuinely made a mistake, and they totally deserve the same level of support that the rest of us do, but the easiest way to reduce the number of detransitioners is to reduce stigma and increase acceptance of trans people.
Because of the way trans healthcare works in the UK, if I lose my job- I wont be able to pay for my healthcare- and my appointment with the NHS GIC wont be coming up for another 5 years? I would have to detransition. It wouldn't be what I wanted at all. Transition is the best thing that ever happened to me, but I'd still have to stop. I'm not sure I'd survive it.
@@dolson27 I know and that's fucking awful for you guys. What really upsets me tho? I have to put up with that same baseline USA experience... as a UK citizen. I pay my taxes, I pay for our public healthcare- but I'm not allowed to access it. I should be entitled to universal healthcare under the NHS. And I was for my ENTIRE LIFE- right up until I said I was transgender. Now I'm on a half decade long waiting list to be "diagnosed" as trans before the NHS can treat me for anything REMOTELY gender related. They literally wont even give trans people finasteride to prevent hair loss, but will hand it out to cis men no problem. The wait times have been intentionally bottlenecked by the UK government in the hope we all just get too miserable and "the problem solves it'self!". I'm a hard working British woman- I am *entitled* to healthcare, and I'm not getting it because I'm "the wrong kind of woman :S".
Could it be that transgender individuals are happier than people who were likely forced to not be themselves! :O (This is not supposed to be rude to you, it's supposed to be rude to PragerU)
I mean, they aren't happy either. So, if they see someone (minority) being happy & thriving despite the trouble that it brings them, it probably makes them jealous lol. Also, they just have skewed thoughts about trans. Even though trans people existed thousands of years ago (many cultures believed in more than 2 genders).
That's their only rhetorical tactic, lying to push a narrative. They will use a one in a million example for why something should be outlawed, but then gladly tell the one in a hundred person that they've stripped rights from that they're doing what's best for everyone. We have to outlaw hormone blockers because a few people have had horrible side effects like osteoporosis (ignoring the fact that they weren't keeping up with the recurring testing you're supposed to have after taking something that has rare but serious side effects) but women who want contraception (either temporary or permanent) can't get it because some people who get those treatments have regretted it while loudly ignoring the fact that there's a shocking number of women who can literally die if they get pregnant and women (and men) who just simply do not want kids currently or even ever (like myself, I would make a horrible parent and have no desire to attempt).
@@thrillhovanhouten253 Incorrect: it is already established that there are circumstances where minors can consent, such as Gillick competence, as well as the age of consent in most places not actually being 18. Additionally, endocrine care is not actually known to be irreversibly sterilizing. More recent examination is finding that sterility from endocrine interventions is actually likely to be reversible. This would make it more comparable to something like minors getting birth control pills or IUDs. (The primary agent for medical transition in trans girls and women, estradiol, actually _is_ usable as birth control in cis girls and women.) And lastly, in _all other forms of medical care,_ it is understood that regardless of whether minors can consent, their parents can. But somehow, _this alone,_ nothing but _this,_ is considered "child abuse." (By people who think that trans people are bad.)
@@belladonna5012 Wrong. Children can’t consent to parental abuse. Puberty blockers aren’t reversible. That’s why they use it to castrate sex offenders. Just because a parent says it’s a moral thing doesn’t make it one. Can a parent tell the government that a 12 year old needs a driver’s license? What about to cut off healthy body tissue? Can a 10 year old get drunk at a bar because a guardian says why not? Excuse me while I don’t feed my child for a week because she told me she’s fat. Meanwhile, you can go get you kid a tail and a litter is because she identifies as a cat. Grow up; while you still can.
@@fomxgorl I think it all depends on geographic location. I got my appointment pretty much immediately, and then picked up my prescription that same day. But that was in California. In Texas, I literally couldn't get an appointment after months of trying, even though they also do informed consent. I just wound up going through an online subscription service, which got me a prescription very quickly.
I'm a teacher in Ireland. One of my colleagues said we shouldn't teach children about transgender people, because they might think they're trans if they're taught about it. I was taught about heteronormative attraction all through school, didn't stop me being aroace!
Exactly. And my mum taught me what trans and intersex people were when I was a very little kid (because my mum’s cousin is an intersex woman), and I am cisgender. The idea that being trans is contagious and that kids will become trans by being told that trans people exist is just so ridiculous
If thats how it worked, we'd show straight porn to todlers to "Be sure"...can't say that too loud, some might take that crazy shit as a dare. Kids are not as stupid as most seem to think, they can make up their own mind and form their own opinion..as long as they get the information
I dont want to make assumptions, but as a parent of a trans person, none of this seems accurate 🤔. My son told us he was trans 3 years ago and was just now approved for testosterone. There were so many hoops to jump through, and for good reason. We are still working on legally changing his name and gender markers.
Yep! I don't know where conservatives are getting these people who magically get HRT so quickly. Like... whether it's a lie, or something else, who knows. But it's so weird that, yeah, magically, these people are getting testosterone so fast, and even things like surgery. It's baffling.
I will say as a Trans person I was very lucky to have gotten on T as early as I did. I don't remember the exact timeline but I had a therapist soon after my realization. Months later I had been able to move and go to a clinic which was lbgtq friendly. 3 months after I told my doctor, got a therapist to confirm, I got a 2nd doctor, who was able to prescribe me testosterone. Probably only a little over a year of being out I was able to get affirming treatment. So I was lucky However any other progress after that has been excruciatingly difficult
Sad thing is, that as of the end of Sept 2023, Daisy is probably still trans, publicly tweeting: "I don't want people to think that just because I've detransitioned and chosen a more traditional path, I am now cured. I still deal with self-loathing. I'm still sick of being me. I'm still depressed. I'm still a miserable wretched sinner. The mental ailments that led me to transition still plague me today. I still fantasize about being a guy at least a few times a week. I'm often a guy in my dreams. But now I know I can't indulge in those fantasies. I have to be the best wife/mother I can be. Jesus Crist is my only hope. He is your only hope too" On Twitter, someone linked a podcast she had made right before she detransitioned, where she spoke about her struggles being a man. How she was struggling changing her learned social female behavior into what she perceived would be more manly social behaviors. There is also a lot in there about the beginnings of religious indoctrination, a bunch of "God made me this way, and I cannot change it" sort of talk, though I don't think she ever said that directly, just a bunch of talking around it. Also, a bunch of fear of transphobia being directed at her. There was also a hint of non-acceptance from her parents. At the time, she was struggling with her identity, and it seems like a lot of anti-trans and religious rhetoric filled that void. Abel on the other hand, there is a lot of internalized transphobia that he is projecting on the world in his social media. One of his tweets from 2022 stating: "When I lived as a trans woman, I was still a man, I was just a man who believed lies. So no trans women are not women, they are men. Just confused men who need actual help." I'm sure that the corrective r* and the threat of losing family has nothing to do with his choice to detransition /s. Even if it didn't, and he chose to detransition on his own, the amount of hate he tweets and retweets is disgusting. He is Literally campaigning to end all treatment for all Trans people. It was very difficult to scroll through his Twitter feed.
Daisy also stated that raising kids and being basically a stay at home parent were top priorities for her future, and that she could not see a way towards that as a trans man. Which sounds like some internal bias imo.
I would just caution us to not invalidate detransitioners. (These two people are pretty extreme examples with documented histories and current social media that definitely generates some questions. But generally speaking and even for them.) I can't prove I'm trans and a guy. There is no blood test, brain scan, or even psychological survey that anyone can point to and say, "Yep, confirmed: 100% man, certified trans!" All I have is the fact that I say I am. And we all agree that that is valid. In my own opinion we are hurting our own cause if we start to pick apart and question the stated gender of detransitioners. Absolutely, claims about how long it took them to receive HRT/surgeries, how they were "impressed" into thinking they were trans, and even their hind sight motivations on why they believed they were trans. I think those are areas open to scrutiny. But questioning their current gender, even if it seems clear that at some level they are actually trans... I don't see that as helpful. Detransitioners are a tiny minority and ones who detransitioned because they aren't trans and willing to be anti-trans is an even more miniscule number. Saying, "Not really a detransitioner," sounds an awful lot like, "Not really trans." And pretty much as easy to prove or disprove.
@@FiveAlive95also probably because he's being pushed by bigots to want that, even if it's not what he wants. It's what bigots want, not what he wants.
@@ArtsyKnox25 The original comment I was responding to started with, "Daisy is probably still trans," and also said that Able experiences internalized transphobia which strongly implies that he is trans. That is problematic and counter to the cause of trans liberation. We need to validate all gender identities, even the people we don't like or agree with. Our side invalidates gender enormously less than anti-trans people but this comment section is filled with pro-trans people saying Daisy especially is still trans. That's a problem.
I also have to say it’s weird that the documentary makers presumed teenagers receiving mastectomies were entirely due to gender transition, this does not seem to be specified in the data they show. This could have been for all sorts of reasons like cancer, traumatic injury, or other diseases. This is how you lie with stats.
It's funny they even _try_ lying with stats with how commonly they prefer to just fabricate shit whole cloth and their audience will consume it uncritically. Like, shit is lazy, prageru regularly has graphs of things like "goodness" over time without any numbering or anything lol, that looks like 📈📉
Yeah I kept thinking about this when they used "radical masectomy" as a term for masculinisation masectomy ( obviously the wrong way to write it I'm sorry). Masculinisation masectomies are masectomies, but they aren't used for (non trans) medical purposes. Radical masectomies is the name for the removal of all breast tissue for cancer or other diseases that attack tissue not for gender affirming surgeries. Banning all hormones would be bad because so many cis people also need it to have a comfortable life. Same with most other things that seem purely for trans Healthcare. Also yeah the other commenter is brainwashed, I hope they come around to be a better person in the future.
it's worth noting, when these gender critical/whatever people frame top surgery as a "radical mastectomy," they are using incorrect language. A radical mastectomy is what is given to breast cancer patients and it removes *all* tissue. But these people think "radical" is code for "extreme, out there" kind of talk, not a specific term with a specific meaning. Trans masculine people do not get radical mastectomies. We get masculinizing mastectomies. It's different.
Related to this the other disgusting thing they say a lot is "healthy breasts", I've seen it so many times, often referring in particular to younger trans men. It's so vile and creepy.
Trans guy here. To be clear a "radical mastectomy" isn't the generic term for mastectomy for reasons of cancer. It's a specific procedure that includes removal of chest muscle and lymph nodes. These are _exceedingly_ rare these days with advancements in other cancer treatments. The reality is that most trans men have more breast tissue and fat removed during top surgery than is common in cancer related mastectomies. Currently, for cancer the goal is now "tissue conserving" options that allow women to retain as much chest as possible. Kind of the opposite of what most trans men are seeking. Pre top surgery I had a very large chest. Technically my procedure was a double incision double mastectomy. My scars extend from a centimeter from the center of my chest, under my arm pits and you can actually see the tail ends from behind if I have my arms out. Many trans men have mastectomies at least as or even more extreme than what cis women have for cancer treatment. Because the goals are virtually opposite. Cis women to retain as much tissue as possible and trans men to remove as much as possible. I understand that we have to battle over how these trans surgeries are portrayed. Mutilation, disfiguring, removing healthy tissue etc are all disgusting and inaccurate. But I don't think it is helpful on the flip side to downplay the reality of what is done or imply that it is less "extreme" than other mastectomies. I literally have 2 feet of scars across my chest, of which I am proud and don't seek to hide in any way. But shirtless, I'm walking evidence that top surgery can absolutely be a very intense and extreme procedure. (Note that this is not the case for all trans masc people. It comes down to factors such as age, skin elasticity, chest size, weight, how much reduction is desired etc. But double incision double mastectomies are not uncommon for trans guys.)
I appreciate your perspective but hi hello I am also a trans masculine person who has had top surgery and I have visible scars. Please don't assume. @@CorwinFound
@@deanderson I'm sorry if you perceived me as making big assumptions. And maybe I did make some. I was responding to some harmful stereotypes and assumptions that I've run into many times in the past, both online and real life. I have had people say that trans men don't get mastectomies, that's it's a fundamentally different than cis fem similar surgeries. That "properly" done top surgery leaves no scars. That top surgery isn't a major surgery. All usually with the aim of minimizing the actual procedure in the face of phobes saying radical, extreme, and all the other words they use to fear monger. I get frustrated when I see people recontextualizing trans surgeries in order to offset the over the top rhetoric on the other side. I don't think it's helpful as it's pretty easy to research the reality. My apologies on reacting as if you were saying those things. I stand by all that I said but I misunderstood your meaning apparently.
i feel so bad for the people in this documentary. not only the person whose dad forced them to get r-ped, but the other person also has a twitter account and it's so sad to see... they're constantly posting about how much they fantasize about being a guy, and that they're often a guy in their dreams. they even posted, after this documentary, that they wanted to make clear that they aren't happy even if it seems that way in the documentary. it's fucking horrible.
@@prageruwu69 exactly. and in typical prageru-style they take 1 research paper and completely cherry-pick what they're gonna include in the documentary. the amount of people who detransitioned from 2013 to 2020 was *2* . TWO PEOPLE. yet they make it seem like 99% of trans people regret transitioning
@@odetoclearthey don't care about the percentage or actual facts, they just want to push their malicious agenda on regular people who will see things like that and get pushed to the anti-trans side.
The absolutely ignorant way they’re claiming it “only took 30 minutes” bs is infuriating. No one gets surgery in 30mins. These people are just living in another reality.
Yeah, that's the suspicious part about all this. I hear someone talk about how much they were in pain, and I hope they get help, but they talk about "and then I got hormones in a week" and I wonder how much of their story is a lie.
I've been waiting 5 months now to get an appointment with a gender therapist, after I finally get there guess what, I still won't have access to estrogen. It will take me at least another year of therapy before I'll be allowed to take estrogen. I have no idea in what world do you get full "trans treatment" within 30 minutes.
@@Montesama314 Took me three years to get hormones and if I elect to go for surgery I know it's minimum of five years before I can even talk to a surgeon. But then that's what we get when our healthcare is paid for by taxation. but to say, plenty of time to think about it all. Now if I took the private healthcare route no doubt my money would make the process move a hell of a lot faster, but of course less time to think abut it all.
that's the thing though, they probably won't do voice therapy because they genuinely still have dysphoria. they detransitioned because of their transphobic ideology and self hatred, and their voice is all they have left.
look, I hear you. Your all saying pretty accurate things. Over sharing time! I, an amab person who didn’t speak up for some reason, however, have a kind of voice dysphoria that no amount of voice therapy or surgery can solve. I used to be a soprano before puberty hit, I miss it so very very much. Honestly though, Im not sure what I could have done to not have this problem because even female puberty changes your voice. Like, what, would I have been allowed to just never go through sexual puberty? Honestly that would have been the closest to what I desperately want, yet in many ways not at all what I want. Honestly if I could have had a “designer puberty” I would have. Like I don’t want to be undeveloped but I wish most of my body didn’t go through puberty, either of them. I feel so god damned trapped it hurts.
@IsaacMyers1 I'm AFAB but largely agree with you about puberty. It sucked but the opposite sex one wouldn't have sucked any less. Tbh the only thing I'm not mad about is my voice. And yeah, female puberty supposedly changes it because most adult women don't sound like kids, but for me it's less that I started to sound like a grown woman and more... before puberty I sounded like a 9 or 10 year old girl, now as an adult I sound like a little boy that age. I'm regularly mistaken for a child over the phone. And it seems like training/therapy for that isn't a viable solution, since most of it assumes your starting point is a voice impacted by testosterone puberty and your goal is to sound like a young woman, but tbh I just want to sound more mature. My mum has one of those voices that's definitely in a female range in person, but could be mistaken for a guy over the phone or in certain tones of voice at low volumes, and I wouldn't be mad if that's what I'd ended up with, but it isn't. I want to know what went wrong, because 99.9 percent of cis women (or trans girls who manage to avoid male puberty) end up sounding somewhere between a stereotypical teenage girl and the kind of voice my mum has, so my question is, if no woman ever talks about that requiring any special effort, then what barely and privately spoken things did I miss because my mum's less feminine and fussy about gender presentation and perception than I am and I had no other adult women in my life beyond schoolteacher levels of familiarity, and if there aren't any of those "girl secrets you gotta learn from an aunt or older sister" involved, then what medical abnormalities did my doctor not catch?
I know one trans person who had surgery before 18, and he had cancer. He would still have needed that hysterectomy I'd he was cisgender, hence why they did it.
And would still be counted in these studies! We can't know what other confounding situations led them to choose surgery at whatever age. And consulted! You consult months or years before a surgery,
When people say "children/minors aren't getting surgeries", opponents will often point to a few statistics or anecdotes of minors who were counted among those who got surgery, but when you look deeper into those cases, they look like the example you gave. If you're a doctor who has a patient with clinically-diagnosed dysphoria with their breasts AND breast cancer, you have two choices: 1) Remove the entire breasts and risk the person regretting the removal of everything, or 2) Remove the single breast or all the breast tissue with the cancer, and leave the other one intact, despite knowing this person will then have to have another invasive surgery down the road with additional risks if they want the other breast/tissue removed. Even without cancer, breast reduction and removal is generally common for cis girls who are minors when the breasts are seen as health risk in other ways, like with chronic back pain and such. The more surgery you get in the same area, the higher the risk of other complications, so you want to take care of as much as possible in one go. Stopping these surgeries would do far more harm than good overall.
@@Junosensei Reminds me of a study done on one of the medications associated with transfem people. It was said to have a high mortality rate. Scary right? What they didn't say is that included in the statistics of this long study were people that were taking the medication for another issue... Cancer. That couldn't possibly have skewed the results, nooooooooo.
I would like to see questioning your gender become more acceptable in general. As a cis woman, I had a good long think about my gender after I learned that sex and gender are different. And after my long think, I decided that "woman" did fit my gender. But that's not a "failure" or time wasted
Absolutely! I also think that people (especially teens) have _always_ explored gender. When a cis girl is preppy at 14, Barbie-esque at 15, goth at 16 and granola at 17... what is that except exploration of gender and gender expression? "What does being a man/woman mean to me," is _not_ a new question. We just choose to see it as somehow different when it's cis people doing it versus trans people.
I think that would be amazing. Gender is so weird (to me as a genderqueer person anyway 🤣) we should all have more space to figure it out openly and without judgement.
I totally agree. Exploring your gender and gender expression and arriving at the conclusion that you're cis is not bad and doesn't make it pointless. It results in cis people who are more confident and comfortable about who they are and are more willing to express it creatively and accept people who aren't cis far more openly.
Ableism is always there. And mysogeny too. (The fact terfs reduce all women to reproductive machines, while ignoring infertile cis women exist). This is why I always say you can't have eqaulity for one group, like women as an example, without also having equality for everybody. That includes disabled people and trans people.
@@Stettafire Yuuup. But far too many people refuse to put down their bigotry of other marginalised groups. We can’t have solidarity without willingly unlearning our biases and working to dismantle those systems of power.
It's very prominent in the terf community too. All the time, I hear terfs tell trans people just talking about video games on Twitter to "stop grooming children AND autistic people". As an autistic woman I am old enough to drink beer and smoke pot, how would it even be possible to "groom" me?
Many anti-trans activists deny the existence of intersex identities. Richard Dawkins (the atheist and now anti-trans activist) has been railing against intersex people recently, stating that all intersex people are male or female and that sex is solely defined by gamete production (which doesn’t even make sense as by his own definition, a person who produces no gametes cannot be male or female). Many other “gender critical” activists have harassed intersex people online, especially intersex women whom they call “intersex identifying males”
@@SarastistheSerpent I bet Dawkins would also counter-argument this, saying jokes about that "a broken refrigerator is still a refrigerator, not a support beam" or idk.
Gender identity is bullshit. You were groomed to believe this is real, that's the grooming part. The sooner you realize that, the better. For your sake.
@@saoirse2963you're literally just wrong. Cornell University, Columbia University, National Institutes of Health, Stanford Medicine, and HealthNews. If you want a real groomer, go look at Matt Walsh the pedophile.
If anything, my Christian mom groomed me into believing I was cishet by constantly telling me being LGBT was a choice/sin. When I first learned about trans people from a movie, she was quick to shut that down and explain how the "lesbian" in the movie just wanted to be like a guy. If it wasn't for my trans stepbrother, I may never have done the research and finally discovered the explanation for what has been plaguing me my whole life.
I look at it like this: Let’s pretend trans people wear size 8 shoes. And then someone stumbles upon them and tries it on. Sometimes it fits, sometimes it doesn’t. You’ll run into sales associates who are training, some who care about your needs, and some just doing a job. Just because you walk in them and then find out you picked the wrong size with guidance or not, it doesn’t mean we should get rid of all size 8 shoes for everyone.
Just had this happen in real life. At the local LGBT center, someone had donated a bunch of absolutely *amazing* women's shoes to give away. Unfortunately, they were all size 10½, and I'm size 12WW. So, no free shoes for me, but I looked at them longingly... Wish my feet were smaller.
This is actually an excellent analogy. Imagine buying a pair of shoes for your child that they'll have to wear the rest of their life, only to find out their feet weren't done growing yet. 🤔
And how do you propose we figure out whether someone is transgender or not? Even more so when it's a teenager and any kind of treatments have long lasting effect?
@@ahmadkhairul337 generally, we can just tell you. How do you tell if someone is cisgender? Not treating dysphoria has rather long lasting consequences as well. Better safe than sorry, no?
The only person I've ever known that detransitioned did it because of the stigma and lack of acceptance about being a trans teen, not because something had changed within them. It broke my heart.
My mom got Lasik and it went really poorly for her (didn't really fix the problem she hoped it would, worsened her dry eye, and made it so bifocals didn't work for her anymore) and she really regrets getting that surgery. She is currently helping my brother to get his consultation for Lasik because she thinks it WILL have good outcomes for him. Thus showing you can horribly regret a medical procedure and still want others to have access to it.
My tía got it and the doctor destroyed one of her eyes to where she's blind in one. My father got it and the doctor messed up his eyesight level or whatever it is called. He warned me never to get it. I told him I never would.
What my take-away ftom this documentary is that, firstly, be open and honest with the medical professionals. They are not mindreaders. Misdiagnoses happen in all fields of medicine, and often they happen because the information given to the medical team was insufficient. Obviously, it is the job of the medical staff to know what to ask to get the information they need, but mistakes are occationally made. Secondly, how about making sure there is enough fact-based information available online by healthcare providers, so the only way to figure out you're trans is not tumblr? What many governments are doing by taking away sex ed from schools, or making it strictly cis/het focused, banning lgbtq books and removing any information about lgbtq+ matters from official sources, is forcing people to find their information from youtube and tumblr. We could have kids asking about these things from their teachers, school nurses and such, but they can't. This it's why it's super important to have this information available and easily accessible. Thirdly, affordable healthcare is crucial. If things went the way these detransitioners described, it sounds like their treatment wasn't exactly according to the recommended guidelines. There are and always will be those doctors who, for the right fee, do what you ask, whether it was the best choice or not. You can get a bottom or a top surgery from a back-alley surgeon, but it can also go wrong. Making these treatments accessible and affordable through public healthcare reduces the risk of someone getting these treatments when they really need some other kind of help. Finally, and this kind of goes with the book ban thing. That woman who thought he was a man would have benefitted from trying doing drag. The more the society tries to push the queer community and queer culture under the rug, the more confusion and suffering will occur. When you are feeling like you are wrong the way you are, you obviously try to find a way to leviate that feeling. If we treated people with kindness rather than control, maybe there'd be fewer misdiagnoses made, and happier people on earth.
Really love this comment. Something I would add. (But not as critique, just adding.) Phobes act like just believing a patient about their medical needs is somehow extreme. But we do this all the time. Almost no psychological condition has a physical test. I go to my doctor and say I'm depressed, she doesn't order a brain scan. She asks me questions, maybe gets me to complete a survey. In essence, I just tell her how I'm feeling and she diagnoses me and prescribes treatment if appropriate. She is counting on me telling the truth. If I go in seeking meds and lie/mislead/insinuate things, no one should blame her for a misdiagnosis and/or inappropriate treatment. An issue in the trans community is people researching the "correct" answers to ensure they get the care they need. This is a lot due to medical systems having ridiculous, not based upon evidence, criteria for who gets treatment and who doesn't. Add in years or even decades long wait lists and you get trans people doing unwise (but understandable) things. To be clear, I don't blame trans people for doing that. I'm very privileged that where I live and the doctors I work with use informed consent and basically trusted me when I said I'm trans. But with excessive gatekeeping comes lies and a culture that actively encourages and rewards people who say what they need to to get care, even if it's not fully true. Sucks for trans people and for the non-trans people who get unnecessary gender care because they can easily find the "right" things to say.
Very interesting that I was aloud to have a major back surgery at 16 no questions asked since the regret rate is 21%. But sure transphobes, let’s focus on the 1% regret rate for trans surgeries😅
You guys are so ridiculus. Your major back surgery was necessary for your health. "Gender affirmation surgeries"are not only unnecessary for your health, they are also very HARMFUL for your health. The fact that you guys don't understand that is very worrying. By the way, I also very much doubt that 1% figure, but that's another story.
I mean I kinda sometimes refer to myself as "incarnate as" human and everything before that is.... complicated, but avatar aint the term I'd use for sure. "Despite everything, you're still yourself", ig
When I first heard about detransitioners they were usually talking about how they rushed into it and that they wanted people to be aware that they could be wrong as well and that they recommended others take their time before going through with anything irreversible. But they always made it clear, that being trans is a real thing. I find it baffling, that those voices have pretty much disappeared and been replaced by those who try to convince people that no one can be trans, because it didn't work out for them.
That reminds me of someone myself and another ace person were having a conversation with who was absolutely *convinced* that not only should asexuality not be discussed, in school or out, but that asexuality *doesn't exist*, because she was a lesbian who grew up with some really deep-seated homophobia, so she convinced herself for years that she was ace, and now that she's had that epiphany, she was so mad about those wasted years that she was lashing out at ace folks. It was so wild.
@@bluedragonfly8139 I'm ace and I had convinced myself that I was straight, so clearly being straight isn't a thing and all straight people are actually asexual. Yeah, no. That logic falls apart so quickly, when you apply it to the right experience. Why can't some people understand that everyone has their own experiences, and that those are all different? It baffles me. Especially coming from people whose experience is different from the majority.
I hate it when people say that kids consuming lgbtq+ content will make them gay or trans. When I first learned that lgbtq+ even existed (maybe 12 or 13), I just thought it was interesting, but thought I was still my assigned gender at birth. I didn't "become" agender because I watched videos or scrolled online. I found out I was agender because I felt extremely uncomfortable being called by certain pronouns and because I just didn't feel comfortable trying to fit into the gender my parents wanted me to be. Just because a child consumes content about a certain thing, that doesn't mean they're going to do or follow said thing! There are tons of kids out there watching murder documentaries, but are they becoming murderers?
Yeah, I wasn’t gay because I watched videos and media that made me that. In fact, I had never actually met a gay person at all before I figured it out myself (which I found out pretty much the first time I got access to unmonitored viewing of internet…)
@@Omniscient_AI That depends on whether one was educated to the existence of Trans people before making that connection and in my case being a person who grew up in a 1980's religious household, I was unaware what I was feeling bore a connection to what I now recognise as ; Transgender.
I felt horrible for Daisy and that her story was being used for anti-trans propaganda which parents will likely use to abuse and eventually kill their trans kids. But once she started speaking the language of the transphobes, my sympathy or empathy went out the damn window.
@@prageruwu69maybe it's projection? While no longer able to hate themself anymore without bein questioned about it, they project their hatred onto the closest fit..other trans people
Most of this is lies or medical malpractice. My son couldn't get on T until he was 18 and had to be living as a trans for at least 2 yrs. Then he had to go through therapy for 2 years before even discussing surgery.
It depends on the place, laws, and even the individual. I live in BC Canada and started to transition at age 45. Our single payer health care system covers many gender affirming options and my clinic works under the informed consent model for adults. And the reality is that at 45 I was basically treated with the attitude that as a grown ass adult, I can do what I want as long as I can even vaguely justify the choice. Any wait times I had were due to demand (lack of doctors), not anything systemically and artificially put into place. All that said I am privileged to be working with a progressive clinic in a liberal city of a fairly pro-trans province in a trans supportive country. A lot of really awesome boxes checked for me. I hope that your son is doing well and that he received all the care and support he needed.
Also I'm not sure if most 12 year olds would have much to remove for a mastectomy? But people don't argue against giving babies piercings and stuff so their argument is silly anyway
Out of a lot of people i know who transitionned or started transitionning, I only know 3 people who detransitionned. 1 was just a social transition to begin with, tried out, after some time decided that they are ok as being a masculine woman. The other one transitionned for some years, took HRT, stopped HRT and is ok about being a feminin man. The last one, never seen a psychologist (and not for finiancial reasons), managed to find estrogen on the black market and transitionned right away. Many people told them that it might be a good idea to also see a psychologist, but they never did and almost to a point that we were accused of trying to gatekeep. I personnaly knew that persone and there a much darker layers to everything other than just the gender dysphoria ... Ended up detransitionning and became a huge anti-trans conservative D-bag, Oli London style ... It is sad, because we are oftenly accused to push people into that type of thing. This is not knowing us AT ALL. We know VERY WELL that people transitionning beyong the point that they are confortable with will likely end up increasing their level of gender dysphoria.
I really love how they leave out the information in this "documentary" what kind of reasons all those (only 1%) detransitioners had for their choice to detransition. They don't even talk about how many of them choose to do that because of unsupportive relatives, family, friends etc. or just because they don't perceive their own environment as a safe space. These detransitioners did not choose to detransition because transitioning wasn't the right way for them, they did because they felt like they had to do it.
They also left out the fact that daisy has said she still experiences dysphoria, she says that evryday she fights the urges to want to be a man but that she's just repressing it due to her ideology and religion
Warning to all you guys gals and nonbinary pals. PragerU is not recommended for human consumption, if watched prageru can cause severe annoyance, exhaustion, disappointment in a certain members of the human race, and can lead to depression. If any of this happens to you please treat yourself to something nice today, in lou of that please watch some Trans affirming memes to cleanse your palette.
ngl reading this is really funny because it reads like those ads for medicine where they have to list all the side affects. the only different is that prageru content doesnt cure anything and instead makes everything worse
Thank you for the reminder. Every time I hear anyone say that it took almost no time to get hrt I wanna scream because I have absolutely no idea how much longer I'll have to wait, but what I do know is that every second I do wait is far too long. I've asked myself if I'm really a woman countless times to the point where I don't even question it anymore. Besides having acne, everything that I don't like about my physical self is to do with a lack of gender affirming care, and yet I might be stuck like this for the next 5 years and that's not even an exaggeration
They act like they were FORCED to do this, they were grown adults and CHOSE to do this and SOUGHT OUT over and over again treatment but then turn around and blame the docs, slowing down access to care won’t help, people pay for plastic procedures all the time like boob jobs and BBLs without letters and if they regret it do we blame the docs? Edit: also trying to cite mental illness and block people with mental illness from transitioning is so harmful. I also am bipolar, I came out as trans 8 years before I first got an episode and diagnosed. After that it was horribly hard to get care, I kept getting blocked and strung along by the military to the point where I just thought of ending it all, when I got my separation date about a year later, the thing that saved me WAS informed consent. I was able to get hrt and top surgery after they asked about my mental health, if I was being cared for, how long I’ve socially transitioned ect. And the doc didn’t invalid or ignore me, he listened and was able to get me a quick date due to a cancelation and I got a loan and got my surgery. It’s been 8 months, I actually like living, I feel happy and stable, and it blows my mind that cis people feel this way from the jump and take it for granted. If I wanted a boob job I wouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops, if I wanted a bbl I wouldn’t either, but when it comes to actual care that’s between ME AND MY DOCTOR suddenly everyone wants a fucking say
That's what gets me about all of this. These horrible transphobic legislation and other forms of attack goes beyond healthcare regulation. It takes away the right to decide for our own bodies. Wow V Wade being overturned as well. It's scary. Please take care.
If anti-trans arguments were so valid, you wouldn't find that almost every single one of them boils down to a misrepresentation of facts, which can be disproved with a basic fact check. And yet, time after time, that's what they end up being.
I had a detransitioner tell me to keep one of my egg sacks (trying to be polite to avoid reports, ovaries is what I was saying.) "just in case" I changed my mind. When I said I knew this is what I've wanted since I was ten, she told me I never know. Why was she pushing HER detransition on me?
@@daddydeadly3428 but not all of us are so unsure as you. I am cis, close to 30, and want permanent sterlisation and have wanted it since I was around 11 when I hit puberty. My feeling has never wavered. Can't stand you folks who project your own wishy washy unsure mentality onto everyone else, willfully and rudely being ignorant of our certainty just because you aren't.
@@cw9475 I was sure I wanted children but I'd have still had the option to not have them. I can't believe that so many of you think it's OK for very young children to be sure that their choice at that age could never change. It would take a very strong person to admit they made the wrong decision in sterilising themselves.
This film tries to invalidate trans people but, in people like me, only engenders sympathy for people who have had difficult times trying to figure put who they are. There was this one woman who was put before Congress by conservatives trying to talk about the "harms" of transitioning, but I only went, "damn, sis, I think you should get some help."
Want to know what I regret? As a non-binary person, I regret having to go through a puberty that I KNEW was wrong for me. I regret getting stuck with an 10F bra size that means I still have a prominent chest when I bind. Getting to go on puberty blockers as a teen would have been amazing, because then I wouldn't be having to worry about the fact that even when I get top surgery, they probably won't be able to get it fully flat. Oh also, had I been put on puberty blockers, I could have dodged getting endometriosis. Would've been nice.
Yeah same. I have a bigger chest and even if I bind it's not enough and my chest still stands out. As a fellow Nonbinary person, I wish I figured out I was nonbinary earlier in my childhood ( found out when I was 16) and I wouldn't have such dysphoria with my chest. 😓
Daisy's childhood thoughts sound so similar to the way my OCD spoke to me as a child - it's so deeply sad that they did not receive adequate mental health treatment. Still doesn't make it okay for her to undermine trans people or be transphobic!! Also, this documentary choosing to COMPLETELY gloss over Abel's horrific abuse at the hands of his father, in favor of blaming trans people, is disgusting. I hope he eventually finds compassionate care and healing from that terrible experience and the gendered ideology that seems to live in his brain. Again, still doesn't excuse the participation in the documentary or his transphobic rhetoric, but my heart bleeds for the suffering he experienced at the hands of those who claimed to love him.
dw this documentary fucking sucks it's lowkey pro-trans by accident. just shows the poor people who got convinced they weren't trans being miserable :(
The whole "support your trans kid or you'll have a dead kid" point that transphobes love to argue against just prives why its so important for more people to be informed on gender affirmation. A parent who isnt informed is gonna assume "my kid needs to get all of these surgeries and hormones" etc because thats all thats talked about in the mainstream, not to mention there are gonna be doctors who push their services. But in reality, supporting a kid's gender just means listening to them and going slow and researching what's best for them personally. Of course kids are gonna get treatment they dont need/want if everyone is telling them its the only solution. We can't just ignore the issue and say "trans is bad".
This is what I told my mom when I started my social transition. I told her, "would you rather me be dead? Because my option is to either become a man or die" I didn't even know that was a wording used when addressing gender affirming care since I sought it without my parents knowledge. My family is still transphobic to this date 2.5 years later but you know what? I don't regret anything. And yeah to add to your point: there are absolutely doctors who push services and medicine and just hope your problem goes away, I've delt with this myself(anxiety and adhd meds) There needs to be a way to audit doctors practices to make sure they aren't just there for the paycheck
Yessss. not every person, even if binary wants to go through every type of transition and it doesn't make them valid. Like, it's such a binary thinking. You either go all in or can't change anything...
@@dragonwolfzero820if you could actually transition to the opposite sex, your parents might not be so bothered by it. Health, happiness and functionality are all parents can hope for and you threw 2 of those out the window.
My dad literally tried to use that argument as blackmail to convince me not to be trans. He told me that he was really worried about the s*icide statistics and how my way of being trans is the hardest, and that for those reasons, I should "choose not to be trans." (He of course completely ignored how that statistic is highest among those with unsupportive families. And somehow thought that me, a white trans man, is the hardest way to be trans? I feel lucky that I'm not dealing with the transphobia that is nearly always directed at trans women (particularly trans women of color), and that I'm binary and so don't have to deal with people not accepting my gender or pronouns as being real. I'm privileged in being binary and in being white.)
I find it hilariously ironic that this documentary kinda shows the importance of Gender Affirming Care while simultaneously denouncing Gender Affirming Care.
@@Engrave.Danger "The WPATH Files" (with over 214 falsehoods in them) okay, you are thus established as a malicious liar, even beyond addressing whatever malicous lies "systematic reviews" refers to. Do you not get tired of lying to cause harm to those who have done nothing to you? Do not get tired of having no conscience whatsoever?
May you truly rest in peace Nex, not only were you violently attacked but your cries for help were ignored, but you will get justice, once the names and faces of the ones who took your life there will be vigilante justice, rest in peace and be without pain Nex, from one Trans Oklahoman to another
So many surgeries and procedures have much higher regret rates, and we still keep them going. Tattoo cover-ups are ways to manage regret rates in body modification, never mind laser removal. But sure, the 1% regret rate for transitioning means it’s flawed and has to be put in the bin. Transphobes really are a different breed of idiotic.
@@chrisbfreelanceNope. Many studies worldwide across age, procedures, methodologies and every other possible criteria have happened, now spanning al.ost two decades. All told I think these studies now include over a million trans people. And these studies have consistently found detransition/regret rates ranging from less than 0.5% to 2% with the vast majority falling in at 1%. This is a very hot area of study and absolutely quantifiable.
@@chrisbfreelance it's very easy. it's already standard medical procedure to do follow-ups on any kind of surgery, so all you have to do is to collect the data
@Nitzpitz Google is free and easy to use. No on else should take the time out of their day to show you something you can easily educate yourself on already. All of those studies are public. All you have to do is look.
Daisy seems like she has a lot of internalized transphobia, the way she talks about her transition makes it sound like it actually was the right decision for her and she was pressured to detransition. Obviously i don't actually know whats going on in her head or her life, but thats the way it appears
If I remember correctly, Dead Domain made a video about this documentary where they looked into Daisy's socials and found a huge correlation between the time she detransitioned and the time she became religious. I found that really interesting
What struck me about the documentary's intro is that it was extremely overwhelmingly middle-class Caucasian people. Which leaves me as a POC right out (not that I want to de-transition, haven't even got through my transition yet😄), which says quite a bit about who exactly PragerU is concerned about "protecting". Also, I'm kinda pissed at Praeger exploiting detransitioners, who have a double-hard row to hoe, and reducing my ability to sympathize with their experiences and see what solidarity we do/still have by using them to slap the rest of the trans community with. Detransitioners may not be trans, but they've surely earned a place in our community on their very bodies -- twice. I resent being painted as their enemy rather than their support. Anyway, don't know if I can make it through the rest of this documentary (and your commentary) rn, since it's stressing me out after only 6 minutes, but good on you, Jamie, for getting it done and getting it uploaded👍🏾🙂💛.
Not to mention they make it sound like they went and immediately fully transitioned, no waitlist or anything. Like it took a year and a half for me to start hrt.
@@woofie3917 ikr? I'm starting with top surgery myself, and it's taken a year and a half to get to the (possible) last round of psychological 'investigation' (for lack of a better term) before the actual surgical consultations even begin (so let's assume another 6 months to actual surgery). And then 6 months maybe after that before I can begin HRT. And I'm in Europe, where this is not so obstacle-laden as in the U.S. So yeah, I respect the hell out of detransitioners, because we all know that transitioning at all is intense, both physically and psychologically. Going through that, then admitting to oneself -- and everyone else -- that it was not what one wanted/needed, and furthermore making any effort possible to reverse the procedures.... that takes a level of mental fortitude of which I stand in awe, tbh. These Praeger U f****ers have no right or business to treat these heroes of bodily autonomy as pitiable victims. Yes, many or all may have been victimized during their transition and/or detransition. But being victimized is not the same as being a victim, and anyone who stands up and affirms their true self, even when it makes one look "stupid", even when it means the conservatives will use you as a poster child against the rest of the community, even when it means even more years of struggle, procedures, and cost to achieve.... anyone who puts themselves through that is no victim, and is surely my sibling-in-arms, no matter what conservatives say.
The reality is that the care detransitioners need, such as surgery and hormones (if they no longer produce the ones aligned with their sex) is the same care that trans people are fighting for. I read an article a while back (sorry, can't remember where) basically discussing the fact that places which limit gender affirming care also make it more difficult for detransitioners to access that care. Because regardless of whether you are trans or a detransitioner, you need gender affirming care. Same thing, different sides of the coin.
@@CorwinFound right, like my thought with daisy is that if she didn't like her deep voice estrogen can help, but it's considered "trans healthcare" that these ppl are trying to push against
Daisy is someone i feel genuine pity for. Her Tweets show the story of a Person who got forced back into the box she attempted to step out of and walked back in for her Family and "Friends", just accepting her own misery...read it and tell me im wrong
I’m sure these are hard to do both mentally and emotionally. I appreciate you doing this kind of work. I’m cis, but I live in a province (AB Canada) that has recently started exploring very transphobic laws. I want to be an ally and stand up to inclusivity but without lived experience or the ability to wade through research papers I’ve felt unqualified. I don’t know how to counter the misinformation I hear in my community. Your content is clear, informative and non judgmental and has helped me try to respectfully counter the transphobia I hear.
I saw some of Daisy's videos both pre and immediately post detransition. The language she used then was very different than what she expresses in this PragerU doc. So two options, she is either lying now or was lying then. I lean towards the former. In her earliest detrans vids there appeared to be two main motivations for detransitioning. One was religiosity. She began to feel that being trans was against God's desire for her. And the second, which honestly seemed a bigger concern, was that she wasn't passing as a guy even after several years of hormones. She appeared genuinely distressed that she wasn't and likely would never pass as a cis man and be able to go stealth. And that is a reasonable if not easily addressed disappointment that many trans people experience. The only even vaguely valid criticism that she had for the trans community (IMHO at least) is that very typically, binarily passing trans people tend to get the spotlight. And being really attractive and young also helps. It gives the impression that anyone, with HRT and some surgery, will be able to pass and that's just not the reality. But that criticism applies really to all of society. The impression that with the perfect diet, supplement, exercise, makeup and clothes, you too can look like a supermodel.
It's also very irritating (and please understand I'm not irritated at you, in fact I agree with your statements and only mean to add my comment to yours) that there's still such a focus on "passing" as a requirement, or even a necessary goal, for trans people. This both makes things more difficult and hurtful for those who can't access things that will help them pass (including compression/shapewear, HRT, and surgeries), but it also negatively affects those trans people who don't *want* those things, whether they are nonbinary or one of the "binary" genders. If society accepted that being a trans person didn't have to mean passing (or looking androgynous, which is sort of the nonbinary analog), a lot more people would be free to consider what they want their transition to look like, including which medical procedures, if any, they want to pursue.
@@Petrichor_Pyroclast Yep, 200%! Passing and stealth are such weird topics to discuss. Ambivalent is a massive understatement for my personal feelings on it. I will likely never 100% pass due to a variety of factors including age I started HRT (45) and a fundamentally fem physiology both body and face. I used to struggle with the knowledge that I wouldn't ever pass and now, 3 years later, I struggle with guilt for part of me wanting to pass. Over and over I see trans people saying things like, "Oh wow! You look fantastic. You _totally_ pass! ... Not that you have to of course. Nobody should be required to." It's this weird tension between societal expectations of what we "should" be playing against what we actually are and what we really want for society.
@@Petrichor_Pyroclast I mean passing means that someone is less likely to missgender you which is probably why. I can pass, I haven't had any treatment and the only treatment I plan to get is top surgery. One of the things that bring me the most dysphoria is when someone missgenderes me, especially on accident. I would think that it's pretty common to feel that way and that's why so many people feel the need to pass.
Funny you should mention tooth fillings... My family has weak teeth. Regardless of brushing, flossing, and regular cleanings, I have basically a filling in every molar since I was a teenager. About the time I turned 30, those teeth ALL started cracking and crumbling, starting at the fillings. I'll need full dentures by the time I'm 50. For MOST people, getting cavities filled is still a better option than not.
I've been genetically unlucky in many things, but I guess I was lucky when it came to teeth. I'm 48 years old and have never had a cavity. It seems to run in my family.
That is highly unusual to have so much tooth decay. Here are some tips: As a former dental hygienist, I suggest: 1. use toothpaste with fluoride to strengthen tooth enamel. 2. Get a new, soft toothbrush each month. They don't last longer to do a good job. 3. Review proper flossing technique with your dentist. Use unwaxed floss, it works better. 4. Brush first, then floss within 15 minutes after every meal or snack. 5. Stop eating sugar and refined carbs...they create more plaque on teeth. 6. Don't eat between meals. 7. Stop drinking sodas, with or without sugar. They are highly acidic and dissolve tooth enamel. If you don't believe it, soak a chicken bone in CocaCola overnight & see how rubbery it gets. 8. Get a dental exam & x-rays every 6 months. Good luck!
I think they've mistaken positive feedback for grooming. It is very possible to get into a social sphere and deeper into that sphere with positive interaction. That's not that group or individuals grooming, that's just positivity. Consistency over time is a good measure when it comes to making permanent choices, that's true of everything, not just transitioning. I definitely have sympathy for this woman who misunderstood their self hatred.
Also, hold up. When she said the line about someone who is 12 becoming infertile later in life because they "blocked their puberty", that isn't a thing right? The medical sources I've read on the subject indicate that the reason puberty blockers are perscribed is because they are reversible when you stop taking them (they were initially used for cis kids with early onset puberty). Is this a real complication or is she taking a leap or extending the logic beyond just puberty blockers here?
It's not a thing. If someone never goes through their natal puberty (eg, goes on blockers at tanner stage 1 or 2 and then goes straight to HRT) they may be infertile as their gametes never were allowed to fully develop. However, this can be alleviated by allowing their natal puberty to go on to a later stage to allow their gametes to develop for storage, and is something doctors and families discuss in the process of care.
@@Snuzzled I figured as much! So basically the only way puberty blockers could make someone infertile would be if they didn't do basic care. Sounds less like a risk of blockers and more like a thing that could only happen with malpractice being involved.
It may depend on the medication, but yeah, generally it’s not a thing. I am not trans, but was on a puberty blocker for adrenal hyperplasia as a kid, and I’m perfectly fertile now as an adult. As a rule puberty blockers don’t make you infertile, at least not once you’re off them.
@@Rupert3434 Kind of. Basically it's not the blockers themselves causing infertility, what causes infertility is not allowing the body to get to the point where fertility develops. And once you miss that window (which is a fairly large window of several years) that's it, unfortunately. Blockers are involved in that delay, but they don't in and of themselves cause infertility because they are only used for a few years and they are fully reversible. What causes infertility is going on to HRT without allowing fertility to develop first, because eg an amab child whose body doesn't get the testosterone it needs to develop spěrm won't develop them. But if she goes off blockers, her body will resume producing testosterone. If she goes straight onto HRT though, she won't. It's deliberately misleading, like saying "Dihydrogen monoxide is a byproduct of nuclear waste." Well, yes it is, but it's water. Water isn't inherently good or bad, it doesn't inherently do harm. Puberty blockers don't inherently cause infertility, because plenty of people use them for various things and don't become infertile. But some trans youth have such severe dysphoria that the side effects from allowing their puberty to continue to the stage at which gametes can be harvested would cause them debilitating distress, and it isn't worth the tradeoff. Which is something they discuss with their family and medical team, who together decide what to do. Puberty blockers are part of a care plan that can cause infertility. But it isn't an inevitable consequence of their use, and not all trans children go through that care plan. Most are encouraged to allow some amount of pubertal development, for fertility reasons as well as (in the case of trans girls) some pubertal development will help them have more options for bottom surgery in the future, if they choose to have that surgery as adults. I hope that makes sense.
"Corrective" r*pe tends to have the opposite effect then what the people who do it would like to belive (I don't have any studies but it should never be used on anyone, ever)
Let's commit a major sin! To balance the fact that our child does not conform to our beliefs, even though that isn't really even a sin (transitioning)! That makes total sense!
When are transphobes going to learn that gender affirming care is a life saving thing? People who detransition do deserve love and care, but we also do that by affirming their gender. Most detransitioners retransition later in life even so even ''the 1%'' is kinda skewed. If ANY OTHER treatment for a particular problem has a 99% success rate, it would be seen as a miracle, but just because its about transgender people its ''not okay''. The rhetoric is just INSANE with these people, it is so frustrating.
I vividly remember daisy before she detransitioned and started being actively anti transition and it’s so wild cause she was gone for a while and then came back with this attitude
I watched a few of her videos when she was transitioning and out as ‘Ollie’ and like idk it’s just wild. I have nothing against people detranstioning but she became so staunchly anti trans and anti transition
Based on the comments here, I don't think I can handle this "documentary", so I'll just leave a comment for the algorithm. Thank you Jammie for your effort in trying to educate people!
@@bluedragonfly8139 I feel like I'm fortunate that I've never really heard anything from PragerU, only vaguely knowing the name. Poeple like this are really exhausting, because all they do is spurr more unwarranted hate and poeple who are already convinced will just feel validated in their hate.
“Sex is binary!!” *intersex folk walks into the room* Sex also isn’t simple because there are more sex’s in mushrooms than there are bird species so, the facts got your feelings in quiet the tangle 5:26 Shiver spotted, Nintendo is now legally allowed to take this documentary down
On a side note for the last line there Nintendo is too busy taking down emulators (I understand the concern abt the switch one, but they're literally about to stop supporting all 3ds functions in less then a month)
A lot of anti-trans activists have now turned their sights on intersex people, and have begun denying intersex identities. Richard Dawkins and Maya Forstater have both come out denying that intersex people even exist and saying all intersex people are either male or female.
I don't like the narrative that "trans influencers are making kids trans." Because its simply not true. I have a friend who thought she might be trans when she was younger and was obsessed with cavetown (a trans music maker and singer) She eventually realized that she was indeed cis after a little bit of self reflection. She also did all her research about it by 7th grade. Shes very knowlagable and smart She loves and supports every trans person and is Bi. I don't talk to her anymore because of distance but we would still be close if we didnt live so far apart
It's just the ROGD myth. They're never going to stop using it as disinformation, it is to anti-trans propaganda what "vaccines cause autism" is to anti-vax disinformation.
I spent 5 years identifying as a transman and more recently, after getting away from a less than ideal homelife surrounding that topic, was able to spend enough time with my own personal thoughts to realize that I was not trans. I am personally enjoying living my life as a woman, and I do sometimes regret identifying as a man (only because there are some things that my mom never taught me to do, like hair and makeup, that I now have to learn to do those things from the ground up as an adult), but I hate when people take the very personal journey of finding yourself and use it against actual trans people.
I’m a trans man, my dad has always been kinda mentally and emotionally abusive (and to a slight degree physical) with me and my brother growing up. My mom is a pretty good mom but agrees with him in a lot of political ways. (They’re very conservative). I identified as trans at 13, got brainwashed into thinking I wasn’t and was just gay at 14 and then by 18 my friends helped me realize I was actually trans. But this comment worries me. I still live with my shitty dad and “meh” mom. What if I’m like you and don’t realize it?
I'm happy you got out of that environment and figured yourself out. It's okay to not be trans, or to think you were trans but now know you weren't. Dont let the bigots use you and scare you out of being yourself, whoever that may be.
@knotsoangelic I had serious doubts and such beforehand already, I just wasnt in a safespace to explore or express them. Whether your experience ends up being the same or not, what's important is that you allow yourself to explore yourself and live as authentically as you can in the moment
As someone who found out about trans and nonbinary people in high school, I can tell you transition was honestly an option I was considering not considering at the time it was more just figuring out my feelings.Also, I think if I wanted to transition I could really only take puberty blockers.
I'm a cis het woman. I wasn't allowed to breastfeed my children because of the medications I take for epilepsy. Not everyone who is able to breastfeed, does. I have also had breast cancer so my breasts look they were put together by Frankenstein and I only have 1 and a half lungs and hardly any lymph nodes under my right armpit but I no longer have cancer. That's a win in my opinion.This whole "documentary" is so one sided and horrible. It makes me sick. This establishment should not be allowed to pretend to be a university or any kind of educational institution. No research was done for this other than that which supports their revolting transphobic rhetoric. Where is the other side of this argument?
Phew... As an Autistic enby/agender person, this was a hard video to watch. Seriously; I was tense the entire hour I was watching. It's clear that both these interviewees have a lot of internalised transphobia, maybe even internalised enby-phobia. Without proper support to endure the pain, they got sucked in by anti-trans figures and manipulated into detransitioning. We've seen this shit before with the "ex-gay" movement back in the 2000s; young queer folk being conditioned to "pray the Gay away" by homophobes. Often (and not to discount actual people who detransitioned because they realised they weren't trans), I feel like the detrans movement is just the ex-Gay movement but with a new lick of paint. This was a hard video to get through for me. I can't even imagine what it must've been like for you to actually sit through it.
i can't imagine how they thought that having someone in the documentary who was sexually abused by their transphobic father for wanting to transition would paint the transphobes in a good light?! absolutely horrifying and i really feel for both these victims of transphobic abuse
I can't watch this video because I know that engaging with the transphobia will be too much for me but I wanted to thank you for making content like this so that I don't have to go through that pain.
What I find interesting about Daisy Strongin - who goes by ‘she’ not ‘they’, FWIW - is that on Twitter she’s talked about how she overcomes her sporadic bouts of gender dysphoria by doing typically ‘girly’ things (baking, dressing in a feminine way, etc) - ie, the very things that most of her followers would be quick to insist DON’T MAKE YOU A WOMAN if it were a trans woman doing them. I do feel sorry for her (there are other issues going on, as she’s suggested in other tweets and videos) but I don’t like the way she’s willingly let her experiences become part of a wider anti-trans narrative.
To the first girl who wanted a male alter ego, just do what we cis gay men have been doing for millennia when we feel like switching up gender roles. Do drag! Drag kings are outnumbered by drag queens, but they’re out there. And you can do it without denying rights to other people.
Lets be clear, I'm not saying that the 2nd one (able) is bold face lying for a political benefit alone however it seems unlikely that they didn't ask for bottom surgery at all and a specialist did all the paperwork and applied to insurance and insurance approved it all without able ever asking for surgical intervention on the lower area. Also they clearly said they were in therapy, had previously seen doctor, and explicitly went to their treatment provider and asked them to transition when they already had a diagnosis and were in therapy... that's not just walking in off the street and having a single appointment at the appointment you don't even ask for lower surgery and boom you get a letter saying you can have lower surgery just because you said you might be trans you didn't know. I would certainly want to see the medical records of Able for sure just based of the way they tell the story vs what I'm already hearing between the lines, but really all they records.
Yeah, that part seemed suspicious to me too. I'm like 99.99999% sure that you would not be able to get bottom surgery without being asked, or even without asking for it in the first place. I'm not sure if I want to get it, and so whenever I've been asked, I've said no, and the conversation ended there. No one has ever tried to force me to transition (though I have received a lot of the opposite)
@@teddyjlockwood I'm not trans however I'm a 37yr old lesbian, so my young adult life was fighting for marriage rights in Maine a more liberal state. My current life is working in non-profit organizations and I work as a CPSS primarily with the LGBTQ community in my area. We live in South Carolina now so not nearly as much support is available for LGBTQ+ community struggling and youth in particular. I have helped many trans people find treatment providers and even go with them to appointments if they want to help them self-advocate for what they need. I have NEVER seen ANYONE just walk in and say they aren't sure and be offered immediate MEDICAL intervention like hormones or surgery. I have seen a few "I don't knows" and it's universally gone "well I'm going to refer you to counseling. I suggest X counselor who is experienced with body Dysmorphia and we will not be talking about any medical transitions for at least 6 months to give you some time. You can bring this back to me if and when your ready to talk about it." Or some variations of that.
@@lizf1353 that's really cool what you're doing! I wish I had had someone to help advocate for me; it was a really difficult struggle doing it myself. I hope this doesn't come across as rude. I just wanted to say that gender dysphoria (when a trans person feels their gender and birth sex don't align) and body dysmorphia (over fixation on perceived flaws that most other people wouldn't notice) are different things. I understand that I'm this context that it very well may be referring to body dysmorphia, since it's for people who aren't sure they're; but I just wanted to mention that they are different because a lot of people mix the two up and it's really frustrating as a trans person who has/had severe gender dysphoria and little to no body dysmorphia.
As someone who detransitioned, these kinds of documentaries and this kind of rhetoric is why I'm scared to admit I did detransition. I don't want to be associated with people like this, with this kind of rhetoric, and it scares me a bit to come out. Because I don't want people to get the wrong idea.
There are many of us out there, trans allies, who are completely prepared to also embrace your experiences. Transitioning, detransitioning, retransitioning... They are different journeys, and all of them are valid 🫶🫂
Same but I get to alleviate that by working with kids and basically have a second childhood when they ask me to play or help them with homework, so I guess I'm luckier than most
I'm Agender and went through natal AFAB puberty. I have to bind daily / near daily to alleviate the chest dysphoria and skip the inactive BC pills for months to not have the horrific organ shedding. Puberty blockers would have saved me from this dysphoric nightmare. Top surgery will likely always be out of my reach because that costs thousands I don't have, and sterilisation? Won't happen until I'm 30+, with 2 kids, and my partners approval. So, never. Hiding trans kids from trans knowledge won't make it go away. I remember telling my sister at 12 I wanted a hysterectomy. I would always be hunched over to hide or try to hide my chest. I knew I wasn't supposed to be female long before I had words to describe it.
@@bluedragonfly8139not a guess. Straight from Wikipedia Much of PragerU's early funding came from hydraulic fracturing billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks.[9][4][8] Two members of the Wilks family sit on PragerU's board.[4] The next-largest donor is the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.[5][25] Other donors include the Morgan Family Foundation, Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund, Donors Trust, the late Republican megadonor Sheldon Adelson,[26] Lee Roy Mitchell,[26] and the Minnesota-based Sid and Carol Verdoorn Foundation, led by former C.H. Robinson CEO Sid Verdoorn.[25] Major support is also provided by the National Christian Foundation and the Dick and Betsy DeVos Family Foundation.[27]
I disagree Jamie with your analogy about comparing knee operations to gender re assignment surgery. The documentary is pushing a strong narrative with negative language in places (not disputing that), however, in knee operations, that operation going wrong doesn't mean the patient never should have had it in the first place. You mentioned yourself, there's no actual test that can definitively prove whether someone is trans or not. So the fact these detransitioners transitioned by getting a life changing surgery when they never should have done this in the first place is extremely dangerous and can irreperably scar them physically and emotionally. I don't believe in banning trans health care at all, but I think people need to fully discuss the ramifications of life changing surgeries and how dangerous it can be when people go through transition who never should have done it in the first place. It really isn't as simple as, "this scan shows you have knee issues, you need an operation."
One of my best friends has been stalled in their transition for almost twenty years because they were told they needed to work on mental health issues before moving to the next stages. This is a grown adult who has gone through this so I refuse to believe that children are being thrown into surgery because it’s easier than dealing with mental health issues.
Intersex children are being thrown into surgery, and nearly every time, the surgeon removes the wrong organs. Meanwhile, trans kids aren't even allowed non-surgical methods of transitioning, because apparently changing clothes and getting a haircut is bad now.
Unfortunately they'd probably choose the suicide option. Or at least having. Trans people wiped off the face of the earth because they can't stand our existence.
I have a cousin who went into counseling due to wanting to transition. The counseling revealed that the desire to "change gender" was due to a fear of abandonment because my cousin was adopted, with no contact, because of their birth gender. Once that fear was addressed, the desire to transition went away too. My sister's childhood friend was adopted in a surprisingly similar way, also wished to transition, and was asked the same questions. He did transition and is quite happy. So, it's really important that counselors take the time to look at each individual case. What is right for my sister's friend should not be judged by what is right for my cousin, and the opposite is also true.
The part where the woman talks about Layla Jane, misrepresented and twisted the story to make it sound as if it was over a short period of time and just a few appointments until they gave Layla top surgery. When in reality, she started identifying as FTM when she was 11, got put on puberty blockers at 12, and then at 13 (after 2 full years of identifying as trans FTM) went to that "short 2 hour appointment" that "green lighted" her for top surgery...
Unfortunately I'm not going to watch the video due to my mental health being pretty bad at the moment but I just wanted to say thank you for continuing to spread a positive message with your channel
When daisy detransitioned I doubted my gender for a second bc I related SO much to all of her videos about being trans (which I watched as a teen years ago). It was very clear she felt trans or wanted to be trans from what she was sharing in her videos. And then started making conservative Christian content..... sometimes I think the right wing indoctrination is more powerful than the "grooming" (or whatever) they claim is happening to trans kids!! So disappointed to see she did something so directly harmful to the trans community. Whatever, hope she knows she helped me be trans lolllllllllll
