Trans Youth: When Our Doctors Hurt Us 

@Ville No, thinking Jordan Peterson is anything more than a benzo-boofing bigot who doesn't know real science from his own sphincter is a phase. Being trans is no more a phase than being black. That or it's a long ass phase, given that April Ashley was in it from 1960 at the earliest to her death in 2021. Good luck finding anyone who still thinks JP is any well adjusted human being who still thinks JP is special after their 30s.

@@ZachStachelski13 sees "neocon" in your username. Realizes that even if I tried to tell you the truth you'd be unable to read it and just tell me to want more videos by Benzo Boy Peterson until I got fully decommunized. Seriously, why do you people come on here? We functional human beings don't go into conservative channels and and comment things that go against everything you disagree with, like "Women are humans who deserve control over their bodies" and "Sexual consent is important." Be less of a right wing shithead and more of a decent human being, and extend us the same courtesy. And congrats on the Alex Jones verdict: lovely to see one of the right's leading intellectual lights get his due.

@@ZachStachelski13 Affirmative care is absolutely not the norm mate. WTF are you taking?

@@ZachStachelski13 making it illegal to abuse a child for their identity = forcing them to transition? what

@@ZachStachelski13 You have "dozens" of whistleblowers? What about the estimated 600,000 trans people in the UK who have NOT regretted their care. I hesitate to call people like Keira Bell liars, but I would like to question her own complicity in the transition process - or at least the complicity of her parents - because the vast majority of trans people have to jump through a LOT of hoops to prove to their doctors that they deserve access to treatment. According to Keira's own testimonies, she transitioned because she thought being a lesbian was amoral, and because two of her parental figures ASKED her if she wanted to be a boy. She then did her own research into FtM transition, assumed it would be the answer to all of her problems, and then told all of her family and her doctors that she needed to transition, she needed to be on hormones, she needed a breast removal, and she needed to be identified as a man. SHE drove her treatment, and then, on realising she "wasn't a man and never would be", she experienced transition regret, and sued the doctors for not ignoring her explicit requests. She goes on about her experiences in significantly more detail in her various testimonies, but the common thread is that because SHE made a mistake based on faulty information, she thinks that ALL trans children and teenagers should be banned from making that same mistake. It's classic paternalism - kids are too stupid to make decisions for themselves, therefore they hold no responsibility for their own fuck ups, and their parents are to blame for listening to their child and allowing their child to go ahead with something they have repeatedly and insistently stated is necessary for them. The frustrating thing is that Keira Bell WAS failed by her parents and Tavistock, but not for the reasons that she and many TERFs like to state. Keira was never pushed into transitioning - she explicitly says that she was the one driving the process. The issue was that she lacked a complete knowledge of her options, and an unhealthy understanding of both herself and lesbianism. She wrongly - FOR HERSELF - saw being a man as the only way for her to be attracted to women AND live an authentic life, because no one in her life actually took the effort to understand her complex feelings about gender and sexuality, or ensure she had all of the knowledge she needed to make this decision; they just took her at her extremely insistent word. For 8 years - including 2 years of initial appointments, 1 year of puberty blockers, 5 years of testosterone, a legal name change, and a double mastectomy - she insisted that transition was what she needed. You can say it was wrong in hindsight - but that seems like a BIT more than just a phase. The root of the problems with the now-defunct Tavistock system - and the reason why I can categorically state that Keira WAS failed by Tavistock despite completely disagreeing with her conclusions and proposed solution - is that Tavistock based its diagnoses and treatment almost EXCLUSIVELY on gender dysphoria, and how the patient interacts with other people, while more or less forgetting to check whether the patient genuinely wanted to transition - it assumed "I hate being a woman" was equivalent to "I want to be a man, and it assumed that trans people see transition as the solution to a problem, rather than a goal in itself. Both Keira Bell and Tavistock had a very binary and prescriptivist view of gender, in which you can be male or female, trans or not trans, pre-op or post-op. It meant that Keira was only presented with the option to stay unhappy as she was, or transition and hope that made her feel better. She wasn't excited to start hormones or have surgery; she just saw it as the (literally) straightest path to happiness - and as a trans person, I can assure you that that is a very unhealthy way to view your own transition. The thing is, even most trans people hated the Tavistock system, because it was slow, demeaning, restrictive, and run by people who didn't really seem to know or care what trans people actually wanted. It was designed to standardise the process as much as possible so you could just pump people in one end and get easily categorisable binary trans people at the end of it - ignoring individual needs. You either went through with it, or you didn't. It sucked, but it was most people's only option in the UK unless you had the money to go private - which is why happily trans people were reluctant to criticise it for fear of losing their only access to gender-affirming care. It's like how people in a company that underpays its workers rarely speak up, because they would rather be paid SOMETHING, than lose their job entirely. Keira Bell - in my eyes at least - seems like a closeted non-binary lesbian who was never made aware that that was a perfectly valid option - but it's not up to me to "diagnose" her. She can claim whatever label she wants for herself - whatever makes her happy. But she has to accept that she is a grown ass woman who is, and has ALWAYS been responsible for her own decisions. You can't live life assuming that you will always have a safety net - an adult in the room asking "Are you sure?", ready to take the wheel when they see you driving straight into traffic - and you cannot take that role for everyone else. Even as a child - we should not be training our children to believe that EVERY decision is reversible, and we should not be training our children to just go looking for someone else to blame the moment one of their decisions goes wrong. Own the mistake, accept the consequences, and work to fix it FOR YOURSELF - not for everyone else.

ew ew ew disgusting good thing you got a better doctor in the end man

sounds horrifying, wish you all the best.

God that's awful, I'm sorry, I'm glad your new doctor is better

🤮

ew wtf

@Crabby Mc Cheez VUMC in Amsterdam

@venosa7649 The only time I can think of the being true, is when we (naively) assume that people always tell the truth like many of us tend to. And that's not our fault, alistic people can just be lying pieces of crap sometimes (I mean, so can we, I just hope less often).

This is horrible, Roxanne. Incredibly horrible. I'm also from the Netherlands, but not trans, and losing my faith in trans healthcare, I think it's just badly organized and WPATH is not giving good standards for care that actually work. And then there's the problem with the big rise in people who want this care, and the care system simply not being able to keep up. These people don't grow on trees, and esp since the scandals in the UK and other countries, I think that almost no mental health professionals want to actually work in trans healthcare when it is influencd by activism (no other mental health sector has this incluence). VUMC being the initiator of trans care should be trusted.... but apparently they cant.

That really sucks. I also go to the VUmc and my experience as a non-binary person was very different. I think it really depends on the psychologist you talk to. The one I talked really listened and actually helped me figure out what I really wanted, and so far my experience there has been quite positive. Although I must agree they do love pinning everything on autism.

That's awesome. Keep up the good work

I've tried to find the proper information about this but I've been very unsuccessful. Some people say that your organs can fall out if you get a hysterectomy, is that true? I don't know enough about atrophy, it's been worrying me a lot lately.

Do you have good sources for this stuff, and if so can I please see them? I have a lot of questions

congrats on your hysterectomy!

@@mackingcheeseinthemichaelwave I don't know the full details about hysterectomies, but atrophy mostly refers to the frontal genital opening/vagina. Once the vagina/frontal genital opening is no longer being prompted by estrogen to maintain itself, its tissues become drier, thinner, less elastic, and more fragile. This can increase the risk of daily discomfort, easier tearing, urinary tract infections, and uncomfortable intercourse. (There is vaginal cream to manage this.) As for hysterectomies, many trans people who choose to have their uterus removed also choose to have a vaginectomy, which removes the vagina and closes the opening. Your organs certainly wouldn't be falling out in that case. But even in cis women who have a hysterectomy and keep the vagina intact are unlikely to have significant symptoms from pelvic organ prolapse (POP) and their pelvic organs don't actually fall out, instead they just kind of press on the vaginal canal and urinary tract, so it can make urination and intercourse painful and perhaps cause some urinary incontinence. (As a side note: a lot of cis men have urinary incontinence and just wear absorbent underwear to reduce anxiety.) There is evidence that 2 out of 3 people who have given birth experience some form of POP but the majority have no negative symptoms and don't even realize it. In short, even if someone has POP, it may not affect them negatively, but it is a common condition in the general population, not just those who have had a hysterectomy. If someone hasn't given birth before, their risk of POP would be much lower, too.

I was 16 because before I didn't know transiting was possible, but didn't start until I was 21. Now I regret it even if at 16 puberty was done..

I tried to tell it to a psychiatrist at 16 in 2013 but he didn't help me. Also I'm French so it was even less common at the time to talk about trans issues in this country compared to other countries

Wow, this rules! I want to hear more stories like this!

Yes I want to a LGBTQ friendly clinic and I felt so comfortable with the people there. Got a great psychiatrist and just started hrt.

wow! where was this? I want to go.

I beelined to PP to do all my trans-related healthcare and OBGYN services because I feared exactly that.

Oh my goodness. I had the same experience with my first hormone doctor - for 4 months they had me only on t-blockers and nothing else, and it made me incredibly depressed. I'm so sorry that happened to you, and so glad you got out of that situation.

"Tipping point?"

I'm going to guess Kenneth Zucker? wow so glad you're doing great now!

If I'm not mistaken Canada's healthcare system is similar to ours so I think that would be applicable

Is the NHS transphobic? (I'm pre-op, so I have no first hand experience).

​@@icravedeath.1200 It is. Very.

@@multiverseone8115 oh ok, should I try private specialists then?

@@icravedeath.1200 Maybe, altho I'm no expert as I'm still closeted (I do identify as a demigirl, but I have a separate channel my parents don't know about for that, as well as many online accounts)

It's not your fault

you didn’t fail us. not even close

This is quite a late response, but I just felt like I had to say it. Under no circumstances should you think that you somehow failed us. Elder queers like yourselves have accomplished so many incredible things. It is thanks to you that life is better for us than when you were young. The healthcare systems wouldn't have changed no matter what you did. There are so many people who hate us, so many people who want to prevent any progress for us, that it doesn't matter how much you and the entire community did; there would still be enough pressure from transphobes and enough bad faith arguments and enough people raised with prejudice against us that the healthcare wouldn't have improved. We owe you and your generation thanks for everything you managed to accomplish despite everything. No matter how much you managed to accomplish, there would always be some things that didn't change, and you would always feel like you "failed" us for one reason or another. You couldn't have ever managed to make every change we needed, and you achieved so much for us. I guess I'm trying to say thank you

i had to wait years but i started it exactly on my 18th birthday. what sucked was even though i had guardian permission and a therapists note to start testosterone the insurance company and doctors wouldnt let me start unless i was 18.

@@NotALotOfColonial_SpaghettiToG Cost $150 for a visit with a nurse, bloodwork cost something like $50 but I don’t remember exactly how much it was. Spiro cost $20 a month for pills, estradiol $20 a month for sublingual tablets. Pretty sure injectables are $40 a month for estradiol. This is all without insurance

is there a planned parenthood in the uk?

@@strawberrystarburstbuthuman I don’t think they do informed consent for HRT in the UK. Think you still need to go through a primary care physician.

@@IAmNumber4000 god damn it only about 9 years to go lmao

Ugh that's so frustrating. I hate mats guys for tricking trans people into interviewing for that stupid propaganda. That's right I can't even call it a document it's flat out propaganda. It's frustrating because I'd love to get my story out there but now if that opportunity comes if probably opt out unless it's someone I know because I don't trust people to treat my story with respect

Can we agree that the body responds to different things differently and some of us will be ok but some of us will have complications from the same procedure? Some ppl have horror stories. It’s simply a fact

RU-vid's algorithms CONSTANTLY push reactionary propaganda.

Walsh is nothing but a political activist seeking fame. Hes no dr or anything

Just remember, real courage is being scared but doing it anyway.

@@DrTssha thank you 🥰

trans rights !

@@DrTssha idk, i don't see myself as very brave

I think that now that you have been warned, you'll be careful enough and ready to advocate for yourself 👍

Thank you, Jasper

Trust me, it isn't a 6 month wait in all of Canada! I was on the wait list for 2 years, but I was actively looking for places that do HRT 2 years before that but couldn't find literally anything.

@@butallislost I’m stuck trying to find someone who can diagnose me so I can get hormones privately

It's all for you Koopa Guy

@@pisssoakedbombas not, and unfortunate to hear that this is so common experience

Have you ever listened to Drama of the Gifted Child by Miller? Its here on youtube.

@@gethelp6271 sorry but how is that relevant?

@@diabolickebin Something about the way you expressed yourself made me think it might be helpful to you.

Thank you!

Yeah, you’ve got it right :(

Wait till you see America’s healthcare system.

@@mr.x2567 Being better than the US medical system is unfortunately a low bar. Canada could do far better than it currently does.

Same

Same, but 17

It’s tempting but I expect it would get me sued

@@lily_lxndr why would you get sued for that?

@@gethelp6271 Because bigots knw they can get away with anything, that's why.

But didn’t you tell them to put you in the female range?? I mean, you don’t take hormones and your body is biologically female

Thank you

I feel you, it really threw me for a loop too. I'm so sorry that happened

there are private clinics in the uk like gendergp and yourgp, (although i can't in good faith recommend gendergp, they're basically an expensive way to buy placebo hormones) but an option you might want to consider is self medicating. there's a large anti self-medication stance that many trans people take which is understandable considering it's dangers, but in the uk it's unfortunately one of the only viable options, if you want more info then feel free to dm me :)

@@btdyaya3771 Oh I've been on NHS hormones for years, I don't need a prescription from anywhere or to self-med. The damage was done before I got my scrip, nearly a decade ago.

@@btdyaya3771 sorry, wtf is this nonsense about gendergp? "placebo hormones" wtf, you realise that makes no sense? hormones are hormones. gendergp prescribe the same hormones as any other doctor would for transition. could you please try making some sense here? and wtf id this nonsense about self-med being dangerous? seriously, get over your internalised transphobia plz...

but i know i'm privileged, wayy privileged. i'm 15, i have a supportive family, i have insurance so my appointments cost absolutely nothing most of the time, and i can afford to go to a clinic full of people who understand and will not hesitantly give me hrt despite it only being my 2nd visit! so yeah even though i had a really awkward experience with my doctor saying that in front of me to my mother, i'm still lucky. luckier than a lot of trans people probably will unfortunately.

Access to trans healthcare is better in the USA than anywhere else in the world for the simple reason that all they care about is if you can pay for it. Canada is the best of the "free" healthcare countries for trans people and I've still had to go through a parade of medical abuse by incompetent doctors. In America I could at least make most of the problems go away by waving cash at them...

also one time i walked in with a panic! at the disco shirt my sister gave me for christmas and was showing it to her bc panic! was my main special interest at the time, and all the therapist said was "he looks like he's gay" and i said "well actually he's bi/pan" (not sure which i said) and she just gave me a very awkward look and changed the subject. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN SDHGJBSD

in case anyone os wondering i currently id as both ace AND nonbinary. sorry not sorry, carmen 💜

"humans have genitals and therefore can't be asexual" Of all the people in the world, a psychologist is the last person I'd imagine saying that. Its understandable to hear that from a layman or someone who hasn't studied human behavior and psychology, but a psychologist? You'd expect them to at least know human beings are much more complicated than that given their profession.

@@skatesatgod-fusion2619 I also had a teacher in high school who claimed to have a PhD in psychology and to have worked with teenagers since his 20s (he was probably in his 40s at that point) and he would insist that homosexuality is a choice and that abortions are inherently harmful and stuff and it was extremely frustrating

T is notoriously inexpensive. I pay $2 a month for my T. Without insurance it's like $15. I do take a very small dose, though. There are testing costs associated with going to the doctor, but only for the first year or so. It is not safe to be on T without testing and supervision over your T levels, at least until you find the dosage that works and is safe for your body specifically. Everyone is different, what's considered a low dose for others raised my T levels higher than what's safe, and my blood pressure was getting dangerously high because of it. If I wasn't getting tested and supervised by a doctor, I could have had more long-term health concequences.

Also, I'm non-binary, went to an informed consent clinic in my notoriously conservative state, and they never blinked an eye at me wanting hormones. I talked about wanting a more androgynous appearance, and spoke of the specific bodily changes I was wanting to get from T. Tbh, if you can't say why and what benefits you hope to gain from taking a medication, especially one with permanent bodily changes and negative health side effects, it's probably best not to take it.

@@jazzpear8877 I got DHT cream specifically, which I don't know if it costs the same as regular T or not

@@jazzpear8877 The tone of your comment makes it sound like you're assuming I didn't research and consider this for a long time before getting it. I've thought about all the possible effects and have done research on it.

@@Red5rainbow Ahhh DHT is a different thing. It's only Schedule III, so I'm not sure why you're worried about getting caught with it? If you're not importing it, it's not a problem. It's also not an underground thing at all you can get it on Amazon. Not that I reccommend that stuff in particular, but it's not hard to find nor illegal to own. It also doesn't do the same thing as regular Testosterone. Maybe that's what you're after, but you called it "T", so I don't know if you know the difference. Tbh from your original comment I didn't get the impression that you knew what you were doing. You made no mention of the possible health side effects of doing T without monitoring your levels. Plus, you didn't distinguish between DHT and T, which are pretty different despite both having "testosterone" in the name, and not knowing what the going price for that product is. That makes it seem like you don't know what you're doing to me. I am glad you've thought it through. While I'm sure that you've thought through the fact that you *want* a medical transition, it's also important, I think, to name exactly what you want from it, and to know what the risks and side effects are. That's exactly what an informed consent clinic wants to ensure, so if you're wanting regular T, then you should absolutely try and find an informed consent clinic that will at least monitor your levels while you take your DHT, or prescribe you T if you're wanting the effects that DHT won't give you. Luckily though DHT doesn't mess with your hormone levels very much, but it can still cause hair loss and more serious health side effects. $150 is still a lot to pay just for DHT cream.

I'm so glad to hear that, thank you! Please send the video my way when it's out!

That means so much! Thank you Cat