At least John gave Doug and Stu the opportunity to write songs of their own and have them occupy two-thirds of the album. It may have been a failed experiment, but it was John's way of saying, "Okay, then let's see what you guys can do." It proved his point.
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No. As they ALL knew, it was John's way of sabotoging the band because he no longer had dictatorial control - picking up his marbles and stomping home. Stu and Doug knew Mardi Gras was doomed from the start.
@ But wasn't this what Stu and Doug had been bitching about for so long? Having more input? In music where success is here today and gone tomorrow, you don't mess with a good thing when you're lucky enough to stumble onto it. Instead of just sitting back and enjoying the ride, the other guys in the band had to go and botch everything up by constantly demanding the control they never earned and didn't deserve. John finally gave in and let them have the spotlight...and they melted under it.
M P - They wanted to write since 1969. It wasn’t until after Pendulum when they (Stu and Doug) realized that they couldn’t write shit, or rather, do what they wanted to do. At least Tom had the ability to write 4 ALBUMS
Takes your take? John has an ego. That was all ego. Yeah we get it he wrote the songs. But dude, you would only understand if you were ever in a band that wrote originals.
What a highly intelligent normal straight talking straight down the line good man and most brilliant musician John Forgery is, John suffered for his brilliant art, and he paid a very high price, his dear brother Tom leaving the band and later losing his life at a young age hurt John deep down in his heart, The actions of Tom Dough & Stu was stupid beyond words, they could not take that John was the man who was born with many God-given gifts that they did not have and yet all 4 boys were very important together. The actions of their manager and record boss were nothing less than daylight robbery. Later in like John found that happiness he and his family deserves
John's "dictatorship" and incredible drive to succeed created the greatest Rock N Roll band ever. Glen Frey and Don Henley's dictatorship created a pretty good band also lol These men were driven and very talented. They didn't sit down and wait
Geez, how many of us would love to be in a hit band even if only one guy was writing, creating and singing the music? Most of us will never know what it's like to be in that position.
That's the problem, micro- managed. If he was boss ,why not fire them and get people he could get along with or contribute if that was the problem. I think it's because he wanted it that way,to dominate,and that's how you get all the credit and royalties.
This reminds me of Steppenwolf's "At your Birthday Party" album where John Kay let some of the other band members write and sing some songs as they also thought "me too", while it went gold it also was a patchy album just like "Mardi Gras" was for CCR. Many similarities between Fogerty and Kay if you think about it, both the voices and leaders of their bands who also tried to keep things together and keep successful.
Les Shoenberger Yes there is a difference between those albums AYBP is a great album and Mardi Grass shows that John was right , only his part of the album was good enough for a CCR record.
@@ernestoclaudodip9671 It's a matter of opinion I guess, calling the "Birthday" album great, many think it has some really good stuff on it but then many think some of the tunes are stretching it a bit, but it is a matter of one's opinion. I know Kay likes some of it but not so much songs like "Mango juice" and "God fearing man" and "Sleeping and dreaming", but that's his opinion too!
John was 1000% right. I've had to deal with the same issues. I finally dumped a longtime friend and drummer because I got sick of carrying his ass. He was never willing or able to step up and do the things necessary to be the leader. He played drums and barely sang harmonies, yet thought he was entitled to be co-leader just because he was a friend. Everything with him was struggle to get him to do because it wasn't his idea. Step up or shut up. You don't just get things handed to you that others work for. The rest of CCR needed to shut up and focus on supporting the one who made them, not demanding to be his equal when they obviously were not.
Very well said.they should have shut up,played their music,went for the ride,and pocketed the money.But as human nature is,everyone thinks their more important than they are.
John Fogerty getting screwed out of his money reminds me of another lead singer and guitarist with a well known early 70s band who had the same thing happen to him.Mark Farner.
Como ele é lindoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo eu o amo muito tem uma voz belissíma, dança lindamente com sua incansável guitarra, esse dentinho separado que ele tinha era o maior charme, que veio a corrigir depois, ahhhh, não devia, sensual era pouco pra ele, ele sabia que era tu isso, lindo sensual, desejável, mas cantar era sem duvída o mais lindo de tudo, aliaz ele juntava tudo isso e a transformar em O MONSTRO SAGRADO DO ROCK meu ídolo amado.
Phil and Don Everly. Ray and Dave Davies. Phil and Dave Alvin. Noel and Liam Gallagher. John and Tom Fogerty. Siblings can take a toll in a rock band. But why stop there? Why not...John Lennon and Paul McCartney? Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel? Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend?
With hindsight , John could have given the boys the B sides of the singles to mess about with. And kept the hits coming and the albums clear of any rubbish.Mardi Gras was an awful way to deal with the problem. The fans were toasted.
Facially, John reminds me so much of Del Shannon. Musically, the group was an amalgam of styles. My personal favourite is Who'll stop the rain. Green River is another goodie, though a copy of the Hollies' Long cool woman in a black dress (only joking, I know Green River came first!)
None of the members had to be good enough for John. He would and did, gladly play all their tracks for them. If they wanted to contribute how about shut up and not inhibit the only genius in the band.
You wanna democracy in the band? You want more say? You wanna sing and write the songs too? Okay, be my guest... ”named worst album of all time ensues"
That's a good way to have a good band with a figurehead but a great band gathers input from every band member and every band member has input to give and the lyricist should recognize band members inputs as their additions to the song making it their songs as well as his. Military still has a democracy in certain aspects. If multiple divisions are both involved in something they compromise with each other and when they accomplish something, their country accomplishes something not the leader
Bands with leaders get in ego crashes and break up look at ccr they broke up because of John being a harsh leader not because they tried democracy. If you had a leader that spoke for everyone that's different and its also democracy. John started to speak for himself not for the band and thats where in my opinion problems arised
Your wrong! John always had the bands best interests in mind. Even after they broke up, John made the Blue Ridge Rangers name up so not to cash in on the Creedence Clearwater Revival name. He(John)was the best thing Tom, Doug, and Stu ever had.
I have a theory about all that. I've been in bands and I can tell you that democracy doesn't work in bands. Just because democracy is the best thing for countries, doesn't mean it's best in every endevour of human interaction. It doesn't work in the military. That's why rank was invented. I can give many other examples. Clearly defined leaders is the best way to ensure longevity in groups. Count Basie's core bandmembers were with him for almost fifty years!!
I don't know about Bono doing that, as he though he was shit himself (the ad he put up said something like "bad singer, worse guitar player"). I do know The Edge really bases his melodies on whatever Bono wakes up with during the night. Without The Edge, Bono would probably just be some run down artist.
A band works how out works... U2 is still together and Bono obviously has a giant ego. They make great music because it simply works... Creedence didn't work because the band-mates didn't allow themselves to just be vents of John's brilliance. Maybe he was completely insufferable (which I doubt), but it was his brilliance that made Creedence and if they'd let him, they might still be together.
All was saying John is brilliant. He was the asshole who move the money of the band into a Bahamas bank and bank Broke and 8 millions of dollars gone....brilliant
That is not true, you AH! They all went along with the decision to invest in Castle Bank! However, what is true is John did sue the entity that represented Castle bank with his own money & recovered over 8.4 million dollars on behalf of all members of the band! Now FO you idiotic AH!
@Kyle O'Bryan Though not on the level of his brother, Tom was a decent enough songwriter. I do think if John had allowed him to contribute a few songs here and there it may have helped to ease the tension somewhat and may have kept the band together for a little longer.
John Fogerty is a rock musical genius. Sadly, he is also a self=centred, "ego tripping, power tripper" as we "hippies" said. His every comment on the band's troubles proves it. He MUST be in control -- and that kind of problem destroyed a lot of the great bands back then.
I didn't say a figureheard. I said a leader. They are not the same. And what you are saying is often fantasy. Pure democracy in bands more often than not leads to ego clashes and break-up.
They lacked vision. John was the only superstar. That's it ! The others - all had to shut up and enjoy the wealth and the good times coming their way !!! BUT NOPE !!
