The Accord's ability after 4 years to still consistently be one of the quickest family sedans while also being the most balanced overall is very impressive.
The Honda's detuned version of the Civic Type R's engine and its excellent 10 speed transmission are truly impressive. But the new 2.5L turbo in the Korean vehicles and their much improved DCT may well be tweaked to improve its performance in upcoming versions. As for Toyota, the Camry's somewhat old-in-the-tooth naturally aspirated V6 won't shine in this kind of comparison. Of course, Toyota could turbocharge that engine to improve the Camry's performance but that would risk putting a dent (even a minor one) in Toyota's reputation for reliability. And that's something that Toyota is very unlikely to risk.
Many drivers reported that their Honda Accords had engine problems regarding oil consumption. The engines would burn through oil far more rapidly than usual, forcing drivers to replenish their oil too often. Replacing the oil could add up fast, and fixing the actual problem can cost $1,200 or more.
I have been loving my 2020 Accord Sport 2.0T. It’s a real sleeper. The power delivery and the driving dynamics just feel more refined and it all feels more buttoned down than the competitors, IMO. For me that’s more important than some of the tech lacking and less premium materials inside. Not that there is anything really wrong with their interiors.
Wow! Sonata N-line is impressive. If the driver was more familiar with Sonata, I think the result would have been a complete sweep. Camry and the Accord have always been the top sellers year after year before the SUV craze, but maybe Sonata & K5 will creep into their market-share being equally quality cars, or maybe even better.
@@truthonly7196 where you get that from? Legit question. I bought a sonata 13, 2.0t at 18k miles, sold it at 250k miles, still running fine. Best car I have ever owned.
@@jimmypena2442 I don’t think it’s underrated or it makes it to the wheels. Pretty sure that little turbo lag helps with initial grip and then when the turbo kicks in it’s already got grip. If it was really underestimated the sonata wouldn’t catch up so well.
@@smokesgtp then it’s just the lower power and gearing that might be helping it grip better initially. Either way if it were underrated and had more power to the wheels it would be spinning the wheels as well and better on the top end.
The conclusion from this video: 1. Despite some reactions/launch issue, Camry is ALWAYS the loser regardless, in any mode. So Turbo owns? 2. The extra 40 HP on Sonata over the Accord is noticed as it allows the Sonata to catch up towards the end. Good runs
If you've ever drove any of these cars the Sonata is definitely the quickest car of the 3. It spins to much to be a lauch demon but has crazy performance when you're already rolling.
I'm SHOCKED the Sonata took the Accord by THAT MUCH in the 2nd run in full sport mode. Even if the Accord is givin' up 50hp to the Hyundai, that Accord is QUICK, so the Sonata is VERY impressive.
@@ChumpChangeIndustries I've had the N line since May and it's an absolutely amazing car. If Hyundai just gave us a limited slip differential it would be the complete package. Otherwise it's an excellent ride and really surprises a lot of people.
That 10 speed transmission in the Accord is just way more responsive. Still on the top end, that 311 torque of the Sonata will always walk it down though.
@@galacticmaui2 Faster transmission, not necessarily better and Toyota and Hyundai have more durable transmission than Honda. They have very few transmission failure compared to Honda.
@@galacticmaui2 what you mean? It's been out long enough to see how well it performs. Unless you're talking about reliability, which would be besides point.
@@ajpeeps9829 makes sense. I went for the v6 instead of the 2.0t just because the v6 sounds better makes more power etc proven engine and no direct injection problems that 2.0t engines have. I do mostly highway driving and average 36 mpg because it kicks down to 3 cylinders when cruising gotta love vcm.
Hell yeah those cars don't need a bunch of horsepower they just run so damn good. From point A to point b there's nothing better on the road. The only one that can compete is the Toyota Corolla and Camry are very good cars also. But they put everything else to shame. Nissan used to be good decades ago but they fell to the wayside... I've always been a big Honda Civic Si person, 8th generation 9th & 10th! I decided to trade in my 2019 Honda Civic SI for the 2020 Honda Accord 2.0t touring. Both cars are extremely nice comfortable very good seating position & engaging to drive. My wife likes the Accord because of the automatic transmission & she can actually drive it but when it comes to having fun & hauling ass I had them both tuned on K-tuner they're very close in speed. For me I like both of them VERY well probably a tie, the Accord probably looks a little more grown up & has lil more room. Both of them are hella reliable I don't think you can go wrong if you take care of them🚗💨
The 3rd run sport mode, the sonata had a terrible late launch. I think that is the same sonata throttle house raced with that defect in the launch control system that you mentioned. You are doing it right launching at 2k rpm.
@@SamCarLegion Dude's Right. Heard that the Pre-Production Sonata N-Line has some bugs, Because if the K5 was destroying the Accord then there is no way the N-Line wouldn't be able to do the same.
@@SamCarLegion did you engage the launch control? You mentioned the sonata doesn't like the brake and gas at the same time which is part of how you put it into launch. Try Sport+ >>> hold the traction control until stability is off >>> hold brake and gas to floor >>> use cruise control adjuster to set RPM >>> let of brake
I’d love to see the K5 GT, accord, and Camry race! (Yes I know the sonata and the K5 GT have the same engine, but still) would be awesome to see! Great video!!
I'm not sure but if the K5 GT consistently outperforms the Sonata N-Line in this particular drag race mission the difference may be Hyundai's decision to lean toward a more premium vibe with a softer launch compared to the KIA's decision to accept more torque steer while emphasizing performance in their GT model. It's noteworthy that the Sonata's greatest advantage was in the rolling start comparison where its larger, stronger 2.5L engine was already engaged.
That may be true. Looking at several video tests of the K5 GT and Sonata N Line, it seems the reviewers usually have more difficulty getting a good launch from the Sonata vs the Kia. Watching the reviewer trying to get a good launch from the Sonata during the Redline review was downright comical.
Seriously, that accord is something else. Honda for sure under-clocked the numbers on that car. Easily one of the best family sedans in the segment, if not the best.
I'm still grateful that alot of people still don't know that the accord has a detuned type r motor. Very simple tunes make it a sleeper monster which is awesome
Embarrassing for Toyota! It may be a faster Looking car but that V6 has no power at all! So sad because I love Toyota.😢 The Toyota will probably last longer though.😎👍
But Camry is most reliable. Good working horse. If you guys want fast Camry you can go with Lexus GSF. Of course it’s not fastest in its class but still fun to drive. NA V 8 and sounds great. Natural V 8 sound can’t be compared with v6 turbo.
The Accord (Sport trim 3330 lb , Touring 3430 lbs) are also the lightest and likely underrated.. I think theyre making what the TLX 2.0t is rated at ..which is 272 hp and 280 lb-ft. So once you account pw/wt , theyre fairly similar. And well, we all know there is replacement for displacement 😂
It's nice to see Hyundai make great strides over the years. I currently own a 2013 Sonata 2.0t Limited which was their sport version at the time. I can say this while it might not be the fastest car out there but it has certainly surprised a few people and I had it up to 150mph once.
I love the Accord 2.0T & the Sonata Nline 2.5T, wish the driver of the Sonata had a better reaction time so we can see how close the Accord & Sonata come.
@@bradleyscarreviews that's why I think they're ugly, they try making them "exotic" looking but in my opinion they're ugly. I don't like kia or Hyundai cars tbh
Personally Sam, I prefer roll races on FWD cars because some much goes into launching that it really doesn’t show the cars full potential. I still feel the N line is much faster than the accord as shown in the rolling race. How do you feel?
Hyundai needs to do something about the two different lines because it makes no sense. If they added a louder exhaust and more sporty detailing you literally could call this Sonata an N. I did read the other day that Hyundai was thinking about dropping the "N" in the future and moving everything to "N line" in terms of branding, but who knows.
Rent a sonata n line or ask someone and see for yourself. That car hates launches. Not the driver, the car is terrible at launch. Had no problem with the K5. The first 2 launches it does well. Then it says “go to hell” lol
@@SamCarLegion Sonata owner. (Not n line) can confirm the car does hate launches. It's the dct engine. Some times the clutch will catch right away, some times it's delayed. According to Hyundai the way to launch their dct engine cars is to hold both the brake and gas down at the same time for like 3 seconds then release the brake. (Which is what he said at the end). Cannot confirm if doing that can cause it to successfully launch every time.
Great races! Exactly what I wanted to see. Still trying to negotiate with Kia dealers regarding a new K5 GT as opposed to the GT1 which is about $5K more at close to $37K. The Hyundai sales people were annoying me. Accord is a great car, don't get me wrong, but these are the shiny new objects at the moment. I would not be surprised if Honda and Toyota are watching these and maybe taking some notes for the next generation models coming down the Pike. You are really the only one that is actually comparing all of these cars head to head. I guess Throttlehouse but they never figured out how to launch it correctly, not to mention the sub-zero conditions and a brand new car.
@@SamCarLegion So, I did not get the K5 GT. Instead, yesterday I traded my 18 Accord Sport 2.0 for the Sonata Nline. So far, it is fantastic so hopefully that will continue. One thing is definite, the driver assist cruise control is significantly better. The car pretty much drives itself whereas the Accord ping pongs you between lanes before it all together just stops working.
@@mikescallon4288 Hey, if you don’t mind if you see this how is the N-line now? I purchased my 2021 SEL in May2021, nearing 1year ownership and wanting the sportier model…. Any issues or problems you’ve run into?
I’ve heard the Camry pulls a lot of power to avoid wheel spin even with TC turned off which makes sense, the v6 puts out over 300hp on the dyno but by the looks of it gets limited
Dynos don’t mean a thing. One dyno can say 220 another dyno will spit out 270. 1/4 mile trap speed is the best indicator of power and a Camry is not trapping higher than an accord.
Torque is the more important metric here. The naturally aspirated 2GR isn't going to offer the kind of low-RPM torque the turbocharged engines will as these cars rack through gears. Remember, power is a measure of the work being done. It's mathematically derived. Torque is a measure of how hard it's turning, the force applied. HP = (RPM * lb-ft) / 5252. The torque the engine delivers depends on its RPM, and as RPM goes up so to ultimately does power. That engine is putting out way less than 300 HP for most of the time it spends accelerating because the engine isn't spinning fast enough to reach that point except at the very end of each gear before then immediately shifting down again. This sort of race is the domain of forced induction engines and electric motors.
Where are all the camry people who swore the camry was faster than the accord. Lol . Loving that sonata it sounds like the beast it is 👍💪. That accord is still no joke though 😏😉
This one is much more accurate to my experience with my N-line then the throttle house race that had the n-line way at the back. The 600lb lighter weight of the accord and its more tuned traction control really let it take off out the line easily, but that 8 speed and the turbo setup in the n-line make it punch way above its weight in almost any rolling race.
You’re not just wrong, you’re 110% wrong. Accord Curb Weight: 3430 lbs. N Line Curb Weight: 3552 lbs. Where are you pulling “600 lbs” from? It’s hardly a 100 lb difference. The Accord is better period.
@@HondaAccordPerformance wouldn’t say one is better than the other they are on par sonata is faster bc it walks the accord and the fk8. And the interior is better I just like the front end of the accord more than the sonata
@@malachibird5497 very slightly their around the same price brand new msrp 30k+ can find both with miles on them for 25k can’t go wrong with either of them really both r great daily’s but the sonata is better.
I wish you were doing these drag races 11 years ago when i bought my VW Passat 3.6 SEL VR6. Would’ve love to see a Passat VR6 vs an Accord V6 vs a Camry V6. 😄
Makes sense given the fact that the Sonata has an extra 40 HP over the Accord plus it uses a DCT compared to the Accord's traditional 10-speed. From a roll, nothing else in the segment really stands a chance.
Test the Accord with Hondata Stage 2, traction and launch control. The Accord is also notoriously quick off the line with a handbrake launch (Brake Hold).
I think the key here is that the Accord does a better job of putting the power down with a superior transmission and gearing despite having less power.
I can respect Hyundai for what they can bring but I would still take the Honda due to their long term reputation like Toyota. Mu neighbor has a 2020 accord touring with a Hondata Stage 2 and that thing pulls!!
The 8 speed in the Camry really kills it, I think the older generation with the 6 speed is faster, the 8 speed just launches very slow and shifts very slow too
It would be nice to see a race where all three vehicles have aftermarket tunes. Honda has the least HP but probably some of the best tunability of the three vehicles.
Lmao at the Camry. I literally had an XSE try to buck at me yesterday when I changed lanes (he tried to speed up and I have n N Line) and the same thing happened. Dude was left in the rearview mirror. Thanks for the video.
Yes the camry is slower but it's leading in sales and fuel economy is just as good as accord so it's achieving its mission. And i did see the Trd beat Mazda in drag so it's not the slowest.
Sonata NLIne loose regardless who drives it. See "Throttle House" RU-vid channel since they ran the same cars against each other and the Sonata still got beat.
Let me ask a question about the Camry xse I just got a 24 xse 301 horsepower I hit it a little bit when still had my foot on gas it got up to 110 and had a hard pull to the right scared the hell out of me like some one was pulling my steering wheel what would make it do that does any one have a clue to what would have made my car do that
Sam, I'm the owner of the Honda ACCORD in Korea. Always enjoy your video. It's true that ACCORD isn't as fast as a sports car or a supercar, but I'm sure it's one of the fastest family sedan in the world.
Honda clearly underrates the power numbers on the Accord. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s really not a detuned version of the Civic Type R’s engine. Anything is possible 🤷🏽♂️
Hyundai has simply hobbled the Sonata N line and K5 GT so as not to cannibalize sales from the Genesis G70 and Stinger...think about it these cars are already getting sub 5.5 second 0-60 if launched right imagine what they can do with AWD and a proper launch control....
With some computer tuning the results I am sure will be different but the Honda really is a well rounded car. The Toyota with the v6 will do best for those who live more in hilly areras because of the larger displacement. Hyundai and kia are making great strides in improving their products.
The Sonata N-Line use an Dual-Clutch Transmission, the computar doesn't let you do that because you can damage the clutch. Instead, the car has an launch control system that help you with that. It's true that the Sonata doesn't launch that well, too much power to the front tires, it's an aggressive engine after all. But, thank you anyways to show what Hyundao can do today.
The launch control worked only twice properly then it said system fail probably to protect the engine and transmission. Kia K5 cares very little lol just goes
@@SamCarLegion I actually saw the K5 you guys run, and I can see that the K5 put the power to the ground more efficiently. Like you said, is not the first time that tje launch control fail in testing, sometimes doesn't put the power to the wheel at all. But, we can say at the end that the Sonata N-Line and Kia K5 are making history for the brand. The performances almost go equal to that of the Veloster N and Civic Type R.
@@Hondaddy yea and the type R has an LSD. These have open diffs, the point being they have too much power for their configuration because it doesn't get to the road effectively off the line
I own a 2021 sonata nline. It doesn't hard launch very well at all. It does better with a gentle roll on the throttle. Sometimes less is more. This is a car you really have to know how to launch or you just get spinning and wheel hop. Also summer tires make a big difference the all seasons suck can't get any traction.
After some miles hynday will destroyed the engine, but honda or especially Toyota will be working for many years. It is historically done. That's why people love toyota.
@@zarakdurrani7584 well I’m gonna tell you now. You don’t know how little or a lot I’ve driven it. I’ve had it for 5 years and it has over 100,000 miles. The Sonata is a reliable car just like the accord and Camry.
