What if TF2 Buildings Had NO Level Cap? 

The teleport levels aren’t arbitrary. It reduces the cooldown by half, rounding to the nearing number.

Given that each Sentry beeps at their respective level, then that means a level 100 Sentry would beep 100 times per turn

6:15 "if you tried to sap a level 2880 building it would take around 100 orders of magnitude longer than the heat death of the universe to actually destroy" *"Or, 2.5 hours using the red tape recorder"*

So even with the Jag, it would take around 11 minutes to upgrade a sentry to level 100. But adding even just 1 engineer would cut that time in more than half, as you'd also half the time running to the Resupply cabinet. Even with a 3 Class limit the total time goes down to around 4 minutes, which could make building on last a viable option with enough engineers. Theoretically, you could probably make high level sentries in setup time with a whole team of Jag Engineers with highly optimised suiciding and teleporters.

There used to be a functional exploit using an enemy spy with the Red Tape Recorder that would let you continuously upgrade sentry guns from level 2 -> 3, but keep the health pool each time. You could create sentry guns with hundreds of thousands of HP.

I always imagined a level 4 teleporter granting user a short speed boost of some kind after they exited it.

The final level of the sentry would also allow you to kill your teammates, and take no self-damage while sentry jumping.

I wonder how broken would buildings be in MVM... In MVM, Engineer can place already fully upgraded buildings during set-up. In normal game that would be at level 3, but with no cap on levels that could possibly mean... whatever highest number could possibly exist. The point is - just one Engineer could perhaps be able to deal with all the waves in MVM by just placing few buildings, since effectively infinite damage could remove from existence basically anything. Granted, at some point numbers would overflow and probably be set to 0... or crash servers trying to host those abominations.

level 100 sentry should be a new community boss raid

3:32 Actually, I see another way to look at this. Half of 10 is 5, but what's half of 5? Well, obviously that's 2.5, which is then rounded up to 3. I feel that this would be more accurate scaling than what you provided, but that's just my opinion.

Fun fact, sentry guns periodically make a beeping noise, with more beeps at a time according to its level. *Now imagine a level 100 sentry.*

Level 4: Sentry gains permeant wrangler shield providing 80% damage reduction. Level 5: Sentry guns replaced with dual flak cannons that deal 50 explosive damage per shot Level 6: Sentry gains tracks and cockpit seat allowing engineer to drive it around the map. Level 7: Missiles replaced with Katyusha rocket launcher allowing for across the map bombardment. Level 8: Obelisk of Light style laser defence system that insta kills all nearby enemies. Level 9: Mobile empowerment field that grants all nearby allies healing and permanent crits Level 10: Tactical nuclear missile launcher that insta kills everything on the map and leaves a cloud of radiation that causes all players not in a sentry tank and not on the Engineers team to take constant radiation damage at all times.

imagine trying to move a lv 100 sentry and you just spend 8 days+ straight hammering it with the Jag

It would be interesting if every level, instead of making the health insane, it steadily becomes a sentry bunker with armour plates the enemy has to destroy before they can get to the actual sentry. The higher the level, the crazier your tower defense sentry gets; to a point that people can hide inside the sentry defenses for protection. Same thing with the dispenser, to a point where your buildings become part of the map geometry.

I’m pretty sure the teleporter recharge is halved and then rounded up. 10/2 is 5, 5/2 is 2.5 and rounds up to 3, level 4 would be 2, level 5 would be 1 second, and from there it would remain 1 second recharge

what if instead of upgrading the physical sentry with the wrench, the sentry itself gets upgraded whenever it gets a kill or gets repaired. Like 1% more damage per kill and 1% more max health per wrench swing. So every time it gets kills, it's a lot more stronger than the last and so a lot more dangerous if it's not dealth with. And if it's not killed in one attack, it gets even beefier. That'd be kinda cool and would reward the engineer if they got good placement and have a willing wrench.

Entire video: Level 1 noob sentry vs level 200 sentry mafia boss That's how Texas works

Level 20 Sentry HP in the couple thousands. TF2C's Randomizer servers actually randomize building HP along with tons of other stuff, so I've experienced this on both ends.

With enough polishing this actually sounds like a cool idea for a server. Perhaps instead of a flat upgrade rate you could have an upgrade curve that provides diminishing returns after the 10th upgrade or so in order to prevent too OP buildings from being constructed.

With enough teleporter upgrades, your character appears on the other end long before you even decided to take it. It shatters every concept you have of destiny, causality, and free-will. This existential crisis, when inflicted on the enemy team, causes an instant win. Much like normal teleporters, super-teles are vastly underrated.

I always thought the teleporters decreased time by 1/2, but since 1/2 of 5 is 2.5 it rounded to 3.

Spy: Laughs in red tape recorder

1:06, the Demoknight just looks out into the horizon, accepting his fate. :(

"it will take 15 years for a sapper to break this sentry" red tape recorder: look at what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power

Hey, look! We can't cap now because theres a level 2147483647 Sentry!

imagine if someone made this hypothetical upgrades into a real mod for mvm or something

Having building caps increased to 5 or something would actually be pretty cool, I can already think of some level 4/5 sentry designs

3:22 that sniper death made me chuckle

"what gets increased once you upgrade each building?" (Great Blue).

A concept I always thought would be cool is that if a Sentry reached level 4, it would gain a set of flame tanks which had piss poor range, but if, lets say Spies or Pyros tried to get to it, the flame tanks would activate and spray fire all around, like a defensive mechanism.

2:14 If a red tape takes 3.4 seconds to remove a level, to fully delevel a building at level 100 it would take 3 minutes and 40 seconds Which would just be devistating because A. They lose around 13 minutes of work in 3 B.the red tape recorder is suddenly good

I'm sure that if they implemented a high enough level for dispensers, they could eventually gain a function to auto-refill sentry ammo alongside everything else

2:06 is not true. It is way less than a mini sentry at 1% health

I love how your options for taking down a level 2880 sentry are either wait many times longer than the heat death of the universe, or 2 and a half hours

5:32 That just game me an idea to rebalance the Red Tape Recorder: What if we decreased the reverse rate of it so that it still is worse than the stock for destroying lvl 1 and 2 buildings but it is faster for destroying lvl 3 ones, making it better for dealing whith fully upgrader nests than the stock while being worse at not upgraded ones.

5:55 I'm picturing five Engineers and a Medic. Each Engineer whacking away at the Sentry to keep it healed and stocked, while Medic keeps a shield up and the Sentry melts literally every robot.

2:01 Seems like pretty balanced numbers to me. Let’s get this idea shipped off to the TF2 devs.

I personally always thought of an upgrade where it would Gain 2 little fire spouts in the top or just above the "legs" and constantly rotate in a 360 degree motion, spewing fire to deter invisible spies the the sentry will effectively spy check itself

2:22 It can handle numbers that big. For a sticky to explode on it's own, you'd wait until the heat-death of the universe.

Please continue doing these concept videos, they are so fun to watch!

I am just imagining turning a corner and seeing an engineer place a sentry, but then it gains another barrel, then another rocket, then another barrel, and you sit there as you watch the barrels reach the heavens and nuke the entire map

Your TF2 content is always so creative - keep it up:D

1:45 you just explained the magic of compound interest to all your viewers, big W

...I've been a part of the TF2 community for a while, and yet I'm just now learning from this video that the Wrangler has the sentry target-lock onto the center-mass of the enemy your cursor is hovering over instead of having it be uncontrolled bullet spray straight at your mouse. I suppose it's true that you can always learn something new.

Would this technically mean you could upgrade mini-sentries?

I'd love to see you do a weapon concepts video. I think you could make some genuinely interesting alternative construction/deconstructuin PDAs or potentially even new customization slots such as equippable passives.

Glad to see your channel finally popping off. I was watching a video only a few days ago and now I've seen you've gained like 10k subs since then.

wrong about teleporters. a more healthy way to look at this would be having an increase rate that decreases by 20% every time it gets upgraded.

For the sentry it could add new weapons with every 2 consecutive upgrades, for example, level 5 could add a slow firing 20mm cannon, level 7 could add a 40mm grenade launcher, level 9 could add a vulcan cannon, and level 11 could add a guided tank missile, level 13 could add grapeshot, level 15 could add a death ray, level 19 could add a Davy Crockett thermonuclear recoilless rifle, level 21 could add the main gun from an abrams tank, level 23 could add an intercontinental ballistic missile and level 25 could add a railgun.

My own silly tf2 idea: Tf2 x2 It’s like x10, but instead of everything being ridiculous. Everything is just slightly *off*.

Under this hypothetical scenario the red tape recorded would become somewhat useful.

i also made some custom fan art for a level 4 sentry where it has 3 miniguns (with individual targeting) mounted on the ammo barrel and on the side 2 rocket launchers that do a direct it worth of damage and have tracking so enemy behind a wall and in range? still gets shot also it has a saw on top which would be used for melee and would do damage like the gunslinger taunt "kill" lastly to sort of balance it, it would cost 2000 metal and would take 1.5 mins to upgrade (wrench does not effect this) oh and it cant be sapped

5:43, No the Red tape record is not useless in the main game. When it was introduced it deleveled every 1.2 seconds. In the current version, just find a Gunslinger/Frontier Justice Engineer when he's roughly flamethower range from his Sentry Gun (not because you're going to use one, but it's a useful distance measuring stick). Ideally you'd just stab and sap since the gun doesn't even have the DPS of a Level 1 Sentry Gun, but maybe he's just standing where this isn't easy. Once he puts away his Gunslinger and switches to a weapon (say to kill a teammate) use the red tape recorder to disable his building. He could try to remove the sapper and leave his back open for a stab. He could just abandon his minisentry and chase you. If he took out his gun to deal with a teammate, he could shoot the teammate, but either your ally or the Engineer will win this fight before the gun is deconstructed. The slow speed of the deconstruction is a _good_ thing here since he can't get his crits until he either wins or loses. One thing good about minisnetires is that they're not a big investment so if they go down, it doesn't take long to get another one of those up. The slow deconstruction speed (and no, your destruction PDA won't work on a sapped building) means he's either stuck as a slow scout for the entire animation or he has to go to one predictable place.

Now I only played TF2 for, like, 4000 hours as a teen, but I never considered level 4+ engineer buildings because I figured level 3 was strong enough that any higher levels would just be horrific

Red tape recorder is best for degrading buildings just before a rush when its right outside a spawn, as it costs more metal to fix the damage causes by RTR.

Have been watching GreatBlue vids all morning. What a pleasant surprise

well actually i've only considered the possibility of having more sentries per engineer rather then more levels on a singular sentry

At level ∞+1 the sentry just kills you in real life.

I always imagined a level 4 sentry would have one last barrel pointing the opposite direction with a sensor to detect an invisible spy and maybe even disguised spies (but the second one only activates are a small amount of time so spy actually has a chance to sap it)

One could paint the teleporter cooldowns in various ways: half the previous with some rounding, 20% less reduction than the previous (50/40/32/25.6/etc). The Red Tape Recorder has the added effect of forcing the engineer to re-*upgrade* rather than simply repair, so the penalty to killspeed is fine, I'd think. And it'd be hilarious if the sentry just got taller

heres my idea: level 4 will give you 1 barrel level 5 will give you a laser level 6 will give you a one missle rocket launcher and level 7 will give you a flame thrower for your sentry so your sentry will be very op with all that weaopns

if it really happened it would unbalance the game making the sentry even more immortal in a way

I would love to see a similar video, but where any meter that fills up would have no cap. Imaging 100 eyelander heads, or a baby face with 200% boost

Now I'm picturing a whole team of Spies carrying a gigantic Sapper to destroy the uberbuildings.

Ayo that sentry is gonna become a U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor stealth fighter Thats the deadliest fighter in the world

If you sapped a level 100 sentry during the heavy update (third major update in the history of tf2) it would only be detsroyed nowadays

2:08 Red tape recorder be like: it's finally my time to shine!

Never thought about that played TF two 30 hours thanks for letting this into my head

heres an idea: combine sprays to make a large picture, just gather three friends and make a damn mural.

If this were to ever happen engineer gameplay would be that one hammering video

Can't wait for a community gamer does this as a mode

Because my sleep schedule is ass and I love tf2 I came across your videos randomly one night over the last week and now I'm a fan. Your videos are fun

There is one other stat that sentries get with level: Resistance to Minigun ramp up (and scattergun resistance if I remember right).

This would: - instantly make the Red-Tape Recorder the meta, hilariously enough - make last point impossible to capture - make Engineer and Spy the only playable classes

Red tape recorder would be useful here. Instead of having to chip through massive health pools, it would just down grade everything to level one, then destroy it. Still might take a minute, but would definitely be faster than a normal sapper.

I think that since the 3 levels is strictly designed it would be neat if going beyond made more makeshift effects like a high level sentry having rockets that split into mini rockets or utilizing all 12 barrels it gets from level 2 but becoming less accurate and firing faster, basically it gets better but worse at the same time and I think that would be funny. Anyway fun video on doing some number crunching and whatnot, Saxton Hale vs a full team of mercs shudders in his boots at a level 100 building, even the ones that don't shoot.

12 years later a spy will randomly destroy my teleporter and get free crits to kill my innocent sniper.

"And if that doesn't work, use more gun" "And even if THAT doesn't work, use even MORE gun"

oh god the amount of times you would have to whack that sentry to refil its ammo

I actually had an idea for a PDA or wrench that let you build a level 4 sentry with the downside you can’t upgrade other buildings past level 1, or you can’t build them at all

This would make your average 2fort match a whole lot more interesting.

now with the leaks, we can actually see what lvl 4 sentry would look like

This would be how Dr Lalve’s Engineers make sentries.

Thank you for doing the monster math

Level three sentry: More gun act 3 Level four sentry: More gun requiem

Community server with these concepts as modded game mechanics when

No, I have never thought of a level 4 Sentry until you made me think about it.

Engineer: "Sometimes you just need a little less gun."

i've never played this game, but this video was interesting - good stuff lad

"Spies zappin' my sentry"

I love these math heavy videos

This would make turtle engie a top-tier meta.

This gives “Just use more gun” a better meaning

2:18 the spy would grow a beard by that point

The whole thing reminded me of a video I think Dane made? It was basically 16 engineers instantly upgrading 1 sentry to level 3. Imagine that but there is no cap.

I say 50 or maybe lower, should be max because of the seven digit thing, but each 3rd upgrade gives them something new they can do, and if all become their max level, and you put them next to each other, then the engineer basically smacks each of them with their wrench, … I guess they would all combine into a mech that the engineer can ride?

well, there might have been a LV.4 sentry as a boss for the cut gamemode that is a predecessor to MVM (Raid mode, where you play as blu against the RED robots, i'd assume that blu was sent to the robot factories to go in and shut 'em down, or destroy it. A la L4D style) sadly, only the name remains.

I died when you said that about level 30 the sentry gun is just VOMITING OUT A SOLID STREAM OF DAMAGE

recently discovered your channel and I must say I really like your content, i've been replaying tf2 again and consuming tf2 content as well so it's cool seeing people still producing content for it

"Slighly more than what the wrangler gives to mini sentries" Nice