What Trad Wives Get Right w/ Laura Horn  

What a humble observation. :-)

You are!!!

He didn't invent the phrase, and it loses its truth/humor if you substitute husband for wife.

How quaint, where do you live Mayberry?

​@@sitka49 Rhode Island

It's the same at my church. We've been trying to get more spiritual discussions going but not everyone is really on board and it comes back to planning picnics and what food we're collecting this month. It's good too but I get a bit frustrated.

Agree 100% - Stephanie Gordon is a role model for women!

Have you invited her?

Yes to expose her misogyny.

SG is hugely problematic

As a "submissive and traditional" wife I have problems with Stephanie Gordon's take sometimes. I'm sure she is a wonderful wife and mother, and we all have things we are wrong about so I don't mean to be overly judgemental. But her book has problematic portions that I believe are probably born out of her own misconceptions that she isn't aware of, and could be damaging to some of her readers.

“Under the mission of” - and a husbands mission is to love his wife as Christ loves the church- it *should* be a circle, really. It’s not blind obedience or unquestioning ignorance which is where that danger and perversion creeps in.

​@@saraherrell3287 ok. Because I feel like my husband and I practice mutual submission to each other and to our shared mission to the good of our family. That's why I stay home and he goes to work -- because that's what makes sense for our family, not because I'm submissive to him as the woman. It's something we discerned together, and we make most other decisions that way too. So I'm having trouble understanding submission as something between a woman and man, because that hasn't been my experience of it.

@@JP2GiannaT I’m the same as you. I do think submission goes a bit too extreme by some traditionalists. My husband values my opinions, needs and desires as much as I do his. Yes I’m home, because it’s the most logical with 4 little ones under 7 and he works. We have never been in a situation where my husband made a final decision. Seems so odd to me. We’re compatible. We talk through a problem and come to a solution together. Why does either one of us have to act like a child that the other has to rule over? I don’t know. Seems to be often it’s a compatibility issue if you disagree so much with each other. I really look up to my husband and so does he towards me 🤷🏻‍♀️

​​@@alqoshgirl exactly. Because we have a shared goal, the right decision is usually pretty clear to both of us. And in times where it's not, we both know which way the other has a bias, and we see that as a needed check on the ourselves (I'm more conservative on finances than he is, for example. I know I can lean too far in that direction, and he knows he spends money a little too easily, so that gives us the motivation to listen to each other before we make a big purchase, and really explore if it's a good fit for us).

Maybe "submission" is the word they're using to mean "right priorities"? Because if you're both focused on the same goal, the good and salvation of your family and the needs of the members of your family in order to achieve that, then there's a lot less conflict. My husband has coworkers where both spouses have prioritized their careers and wants over almost anything else, and just merely split "the rest" with the kids and they're on the brink of divorce. But again, that seems to be a mutual submission thing to God, to each other, and to the goal He gives you, not of the woman to the man.

Yeah apparently she has her own RU-vid page, Laura Horn. Supposedly she’s funny. Idk, seems grating to me

@@sueseelieI suspect her marriage with her husband is a touch more pleasant than presented here however Trent Horn and Timothy J. Gordon have locked horns on the issue of feminism and Church stuff.

They think it's "wisdom" 😂

​​@nenilaurifrancoro I think women can work and it be best for their family. Circumstances and people vary so much from family to family. That said...it is nice to hear someone say that staying at home is important, because you do get outright mockery from the rest of the world for it. I know it's not always the case in Catholic circles, but it does hurt when you spend your days at home and have someone say, "oh, I could never be satisfied just cooking and cleaning the toilet" or, the gem I got from a college professor, "well. Make sure you marry a man who can provide the level of living you want." It's insinuated that you're less intelligent, or not self-assured, or lazy, etc, and there are days you DO wonder if you're wasting your life or are somehow "less than." So...I dunno. I don't think this way of life should be emphasized to the point of vilifying women who work. That's unfair, and not right. But it is nice to hear that what you're doing is important from someone. Now the whole submission thing? Whole other can of worms. I had a big conversation with someone a couple comments up about that, lol.

@@JP2GiannaTyou’re just not there yet

Good point. On the other side of things, the notion that men are not emotional is rather silly too.

@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 I agree! Yes us women cry more, but men lose their temper on average more. We’re both emotional and rational. Just manifested differently. I just have problem when women are painted in such a negative light (emotional, sensitive, irrational, naggers), when it’s more complex than that. Just like I’m against the negative stereotyping of men that they are aggressive, uncaring, toxic. I find it all unhelpful to understand the dynamic of a marriage and the reasons one might act a certain way.

@@alqoshgirl Yep.

I know far more emotional men than I do women. I'm so sick of this negative stereotype as well.

I agree. Men aren't less sensitive, they have just been trained their entire lives not to show it when they've been hurt. Since marrying and having sons, I've learned that once they trust you enough to open up they are just as sensitive as any woman but they have to go through life with FAR less affirmation than the average woman gets.

100 % !!!!!

That is a red pill cliche, but you're saying it a bit more politely here. It's also untrue. The woman is worrying about how she looks, whether she can carry her end of the conversations, be interesting enough, if she'll be boring or sound too girlie, if she'll seem virtuous enough, if he'll like her enough for another date, is he going to play her or take her seriously? Women wonder these things and many more.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 It might be cliche (I wouldn't know, as I don't pay much attention to the "red pill" community), but it is what I've observed. Not in all cases of course (I know a good number of women who are actively striving for virtue). Still, the advice often given about dating can be quite different for women when compared to advice given to men (at least in the Catholic circles I run in). I believe you when you say that women worry about the things you mention...men worry about those things too. I think those are natural concerns to have when you're on a date. My point is that both men and women should be pursuing virtue, rather than just waiting for a virtuous person to pursue them. I don't think that's a particularly "red pilled" position to take, but I'd be happy to hear more from your perspective!

@@VersoLaltoProductions Apologies if I mistook where you were coming from. I see manosphere comments often cropping up in forums where I don't expect them, and quite a few profess Christianity. I should say they aren't, just that it isn't a great mixture. So you don't think women are as prepared for dating by the church, and not as called to virtue? I found that woman are also coached from the pulpit on how to be a good wife. Maybe it's one of those over corrections, like feminism turned into? Where the onus was put on women for virtue and it now turns more to the man. I could sort of see that, because it it's men that pursue and pressure for sex more. Women are more reminded about how they dress and called to modesty.

I’ve noticed a trend among some religious people that have convinced themselves vulgar language isn’t a sin and not to be uptight. I highly disagree with that. My husband and I don’t use foul language and we aren’t uptight. It literally is a habit you teach yourself 🤷🏻‍♀️ we are perfectly capable of expressing ourselves without using bad language

​@S Y Where is vulgar language stated to be sinful though. I know Christ and Paul recommend against its use, but it being described as always sinful I don't believe is true.

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 Would our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ cuss? Would the Holy Theotokos? Ephesians 4:29 (KJV) "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Ephesians 5:4 (KJV) "Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks." Sir 1:37 Douay "Be not a hypocrite in the sight of men, and let not thy lips be a stumblingblock to thee." Sirach 7:40 Douay "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin.: Sirach 21:4 Douay "All iniquity is like a two-edged sword, there is no remedy for the wound thereof. "

@@fromthesouthofafrica6815 I shall quote Hamlet Scene III: "Now might I do it pat, now he is praying; And now I'll do't. And so he goes to heaven; And so am I revenged. That would be scann'd: A villain kills my father; and for that, I, his sole son, do this same villain send To heaven. O, this is hire and salary, not revenge. He took my father grossly, full of bread; With all his crimes broad blown, as flush as May; And how his audit stands who knows save heaven? But in our circumstance and course of thought, 'Tis heavy with him: and am I then revenged, To take him in the purging of his soul, When he is fit and season'd for his passage? No! Up, sword; and know thou a more horrid hent: When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage, Or in the incestuous pleasure of his bed; At gaming, swearing, or about some act That has no relish of salvation in't; Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven, And that his soul may be as damn'd and black As hell, whereto it goes. My mother stays: This physic but prolongs thy sickly days." Edit: I cannot embolden it but it is after gaming.

Pretty sure Tim has been on...

Christine Niles is divorced and her marriage was annulled by the Church. I believe her marriage was defect of form. She has four children and is a wonderful mother.

Oooh, edgy.

​@@JP2GiannaT hi Bro o justo want to say a few of words to say I am catolico fron Zamora Michoacán México thanks

Since they started doing them.