Thank you so much for listening and sharing ❤ so happy I got to meet you and so excited to hopefully meet in person and hear more about your story as well 💜💜💜
"He was holding the baby and he knew he would be marrying her one day." The weird shit in Twilight makes a LOT more sense when you know that Stephenie Meyer is Mormon.
I miss seeing Amanda and the other very strong women on the "Escaping Polygamy" series. I wish the series would have lasted longer. I'd love to see an update on these ladies and their further accomplishments.
Women getting pregnant every year do have bad health (poor nutrition, terribly fatigued, anemic) And their uterus "wears out" and doesn't work efficiently. That causes hemorrhage because the uterine muscle can't "clamp down" after birth any more. BTW, Michelle Duggar in cult, iblp, (19 kids and counting) had 20 children, but 2 pregnancies were twins and one miscarriage. That is still too many pregnancies for a uterus!!
Ive have been in a toxic marriage for over thirty years now struggling to get out. Your stories have helped me in so many ways to see myself. I now feel I can fully break out and remove myself to live a healthy life without him. Please keep doing and speaking your truth for it is truly helping others. I see fruit from your testimonies. ❤ Love you both, you are true heros in your oun rights.
Keep listening to content like this that will strengthen you for the task. You must be around my age by now and the rest of our lives is very short and belongs to us and us alone. I’m much happier on my own. Be active in your community and make friends with other strong women who are living for themselves and you won’t be lonely. And do hobbies you enjoy, walk in nature and learn about yourself and the world. Good luck, you deserve some peace now ❤
Please start formulating a plan to leave, and find some support. Reach out and see if there is a support group, even a Facebook group for people in abusive relationships. I know it sounds weird to look there. I'm hardly on Facebook anymore, but when I was dealing with a loved one with addiction issues, I found a really helpful group of people with the same issue. It was a great place for finding out what resources there were to get help.
Please get out!!! Don’t wait!! My best friend got out of a violent, emotionally abusive marriage after 46 years. She so regrets not getting out sooner. It’s been two years and with lots of baby steps forward and a few steps back, she’s finding freedom and peace. I’m SO SO proud of her!!
I was in a miserable 10 year relationship with a Fundie Christian who really abused me. I got away with the help of a friend, it's the best thing I ever did. My life has been happy after that. Please, please, keep trying. The best of luck!
As horrendous as it all is... I guess a part of me was hoping that at the very least these women were provided with houses, supported & could stay at home with their children but to be neglected, working, surviving on food stamps, paying your husband/ church rent. Just awful. Makes sense now that in sister wives Janelle seemed to be the main bread winner out of everyone & was supporting at least 1 other household.
Yes I thought the deal was wives get to be financially cared for at least! That’s what they make out. Of course I don’t expect men to work to earn for six women and forty kids but living in poverty, just another reason this is morally wrong.
This conversation is super healing for me... I wasn't raised in a cult, but definitely a culture of the "man is boss" and "women are meant to serve." I'm 50 and finally embracing my autonomy and right to say no. Thanks to both of you for your amazing honesty 💗🩷💖
After what so many go through it does my heart good to hear laughter. Thanks for reminding me about Holding Out Help, in the process of filling out my donation form. If anyone reads this please consider donating or volunteering. This is a worthwhile place to help wherever you can.
I'm not American and I've always wondered how all of this is legal there? Where I'm from this would be a massive crime with a maximum sentence. My heart goes to all the victims of this dreadful abuse.
I was raised baptist and the only thing my mother told me about sex was that having sex was like pulling the petals off a rose and my future husband wouldn't want a bare stalk. Thank you for sharing this information. Fuck the patriarchy. xx
Omg my (1st southern) baptist grandma would say similar. She told me to imagine a rose bud, and then squish it. That was my virginity, and only a husband would allow it to bloom.
An Irish twin is any siblings born within 12 months or the same calendar year. My brother and i are Irish twins abd stay the same age for 3 days. The term Irish twins started as a slur against the Irish because they didnt believe in birth control and would have children in quick succession.
Royal families from all over the world have had this “Pure Blood line” practice… I reckon they didn’t learn about King Tut, the Hapsburg folks &their crazy jaws… Just to name 2 of the problems.
My friends husband past away. His half bro joined Mormonism a couple years before(after his wife died)last year he decided to “baptize” I guess, his wife and bro to meet them in heaven. He did not ask his bro’s wife. THe bro was not religious at all. She was furious! He couldn’t understand.
I have a friend that came into our Grateful Dead family group back in the early 90s.. She told me all about this stuff years ago. She told me about Warren Jeffs before I saw him on the news. I always wished I could help these ladies and young men
Ladies u are bold to expose this , does it still exists this life style as in 2023, am so sad for these young girls that are raised to think this is the way of life…big up to u from us here in South Africa. I hope it’s safe for u to run this show without u being in danger …
Full disclosure, I'm a never-Mo but I'm a VERY PRO "ppl-being-an-EX"-any/every religion...thus I, like many before me, stumbled onto Mormon Stories Podcast & am now more learned in many aspects of Mormonism than both likely many *actual* Mormons &, often much, MUCH more than I wish I was 😕 lol...today's insight included. That said, I've been wondering for a while, since I've as yet never heard it brought up, just exactly what it is the Society is bringing Relief to...& while I can't claim THAT had ever entered my mind, once Shelise **just started** explaining, before "the REVEAL!!" I freakin' KNEW she was gonna say what she said. Partially, i'm sure, due to being a life-long Joy Division fan & knowing where THAT name came from 😖 but also just from hearing abt so much other sex-related bef*ckery ALL damn religions get up to. But anyway, a) F*CKING GROSS, & also too 2) BECAUSE **OF COURSE** THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. Uggghhhh...some men, I stg (in whom I don't even believe) y'all need to CHECK YALLSELVES. 😠😠😠😠 The unmitigated caucasity...Amanda, girl I have an **immense** amount of respect for your restraint in not absolutely ENDING a whole lotta them. You DO know where they live.😂 ALL the congrats in the universe for having the presence of mind & the strength of character to dodge that wiener-shaped (I guess they're all wiener-shaped tho, huh...🤔😂) bullet, my friend!! 👍🏼🥰
Hahah pinning this because it made me laugh out loud multiple times. Thanks for your comments! We need to check into this whole “relief” society thing. Honestly….it makes a whole lot of sense if it’s true 😂
marchi, you definitely sound like someone who's never felt the benefits of any organized religion. During the livestream yesterday, the moderator (Shelise husband) didn't list mainstream Mormons as a toxic group. Also, wouldn't joke around about where people live. Social media has allowed many people to find out where others live they've never met in person and without consent.
@@CultstoConsciousness You were born n raised in the LDS faith. Many outside Utah and who didn't run into the LDS faith till 20's can't establish fellowship with your experiences. There have been numerous opportunities for you throughout life to find out the meaning behind 'relief society', so trying now seems lazy. Yesterday in the live stream, the topic of immature communication arose. The English language comprises of words, sentences, paragraphs, pages, chapters, books, multiple books, libraries, etc. Being stuck on one word and not using your literacy skills to open dialogue on different interpretations of certain words seems immature.
I'm Christian and wonder if more women leave than men. How old does a man getting married have to be. Can a man choose a wife or are they told who they're marrying..
I literally think this way about any religious organization if you are in it deep enough. I used to be a Christian and i am so embarrassed at how i used to think and see things. I only thought my religion was right and my way of thinking was right...but that was how i was taught to think. Obviously it wasn't this abusive or controlling thank goodness! But the line of thinking is very much the same.
Why do I have a feeling that John smith really wanted to be able to sleep around in his wife and have multiple relationships at once that he made up a religion. That or he witnessed older religions and picked and chose pieces he like then shoved it alll into a religion
Why does god want polygamy? Why do you get to a higher level in heaven if you’re polygamous? And why infinite polygamy? Islam allows 4 wives, but FLDS seems to allow endless wives.
I am speechless! You women are amazing. This experience has made each of you a force to be reckoned with. I hope you take your powers to all the zealots in the world! It isn’t just Mormonism.
Lots of children with disabilities as well sad... and they suck our system up with social security with all these children with disabilities not that that's the main subject here I'm just saying
1:07:12 Our family was involved in a church that taught the dental floss thing! The pastor had this rope that he hung all over the church, and there was a short little red section that represented our time on earth, and the 50 yards of rope represented eternity....and this was a cookie cutter strip-mall evangelical church!!!!
That movie clip is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. I still find it hard to believe these women are willing to live this way and don't realize there is a much better world out here. These fathers don't love their wives or their children if they are willing to treat them that way. Its not love - its cultism.
So that sounds like twilight. The man imprinting on a baby.... wasn't the author of the book morman or somethin like that? I remember hearing that you could see some connections to it if you pay attention
One thing I've thought of listening to these videos.... the new polygamy/polyamory that's separate from these religions, how happy are the second wife or girlfriend (or husband/boyfriend)
I relate SO MUCH to Amanda about the asking questions bc that was ALWAYS me!! & The 1 that drove EVERYONE nuts the most when I was a teen was How do WE (Assembly Of God) know that we are the ones who are 💯% right about our particular beliefs? God will give you a sign. Oh cool like what? It's diff for everybody, but you'll KNOW its your sign. But .. Idk bc every coincident I'm like oh is this a sign from God or is it a coincidence? You'll know. But I'm telling you right now that I Absolutely DO NOT KNOW! Then its either not happened yet or you missed it & need to pray more. Grrrrrrrr 🙄😒😤🤬🤬🤬 that's NOT fair! & You don't ever REALLY get an answer they just shame you into stopping asking or looking like an idiot! Then bc I was told I HAD to have a purpose serving God led me into being the Leader of our Youth Grp in a Texas Baptist Church & it was HELL! Dont get me wrong, I was REALLY good! I had teens packing in & their parents loved me & I was married w\an infant son BUT I was 19yo & I related to the teens who easily bc I WAS a teen! So the teens trusted me completely & they WERE listening & behaving. But I didn't truly have no real answers for them nothing long term & all just superficial BS I was told & I couldn't do it & wasn't equipped to deal w\kids being abused & SA'd. & They needed real help, & I found out the hard way that the actual pastor there was a pervert & his 80yo gf was an abusive old c*nt who would lie to their parents saying she caught them having sex in church when NO SUCH THING had happened! Except when she watched an old man the pastor 🍇her & she was jealous it was them & not her, so she got them in trouble w\their parents too! Plus, they were both STEALING MONEY from the church. & I couldn't fight them while trying to preach about God & help these kids & do it all the right perfect way. So, I fell back into old habits of cutting myself & it was TX & summer & Im wearing long sleeves. The kids knew & they saw. & I resigned. & True to THEIR words (bc I wouldn't cooperate w\their stealing & abusing they were trying to have me kicked out.) The kids said if I was forced to leave, they'd never set a foot back in the church again, & they didn't. There were no adults there putting in money anymore bc they couldn't deal w\the pastor & his heifer! But boy oh boy would they send their kids as long as it was ME & My Hubby that were in charge & not Them 2. & Some had tons of $$ & knew the other kids didn't so they'd ALWAYS give me a TON in offering so I could take the kids out & do fun stuff w\them. & For when we did Community Meals! When I realized about the stealing bc I was being told there was no money to do camp or a trip & I KNEW I'd turned it over, I went to those parents & I told them to ONLY purchase food for the meals, snacks for the kids, & when there's camps or trips just buy their tickets & donate them! Ohhhh that pissed of The Prick & His thorn! They were LIVID!! So, I left the kids never came back & that church (a small 1) had to close its doors & they were reported to the main baptist HQ. But.... Another 1 opened in their place. Diff denomination! Ohh this got long! I apologize! Just related so much to their stories even tho we're diff religious backgrounds or CULT-ure backgrounds I should say! 🤣
I don't understand how these men don't get thrown into jail for actually neglecting these women. If a woman dies because you refuse to take her to the hospital that is your fault
It's because women are raised to be quiet. I also think the law in Utah and other states where there's a heavy influx of mormons, plus the powers that be because they're voted in and they in turn hire the police who would be the first to be a part of the complaints and turn their heads. Only way to deal at this point is to get out.
How can I say this politely... having unlimited power over as many women as you want, sl33ping with as many women and even children as you want and not having to deal with this exhausting daily stuff like their bills, their children, their jelousy, their complaints, their demands, because you taught them to be quiet and "sweet", because this God you made up allegedly sees these women's rightfull demands as sins - that's many weak men's and many pedophiles' w3t dream come true.
Such lazy lions. Hearing about these systems always makes me think of lions. The lionesses take care of the cubs and hunts and does everything. All the lions do is hump, sleep, and fight other males. It really is crazy how men have ever been able to convince women that we are the inferior. We are literally the gateway into this world through our bodies, we "mature" quicker.... aka smarter lol. We are able to keep 1000 balls in the air while the man focuses on one thing at a time. I don't mean to bash men because there are some wonderful men out there. I just mean historically and I guess religiously, it's mind blowing how things have gone. We make a house a home. We make the heart warm. We keep the belly full. We bring the babies into the world. We go out there and work too. We bring home the bacon, cook it, clean up afterwards, "clean out the pipe" for our men. We are amazing creatures.
@@codirennke1109 I’ve always felt this way.. I don’t believe in a “god” it if I did it seems really obvious to me that if a god had a gender, it would be female.
@@codirennke1109 the lion thing is… innacurate but that’s not what bothers me. Men should not have dominion over women or other men for that matter. While saying you don’t mean to bash men, that’s what you do. A lot of men literally work themselves to death, especially blue collar, working class men. A lot of us have broken bodies from laboring to provide a decent life for our families. This topic is about a demographic and an oppressive religious culture and I include traditional Christian community. There are a lot of men with these depraved values and a lot of women who are complicit in perpetuating an amoral society. All these people need to be freed from these horrible beliefs; these women need to be supported and to know there is a better way.
Men claiming babies or children is just their way to insure that other men don't claim them when they get older. It could also be related to pedophilia also.
The Habsburg royal family in Spain literally inbred themselves out of existence. The last Habsburg king was the result of three generations of uncle-niece marriages. He was so deformed and sick he couldn’t father children. His sister, (also married her uncle), her child and grandchild all died young. Mother Nature takes care of inbreeding sooner or later.
I was in an abusive relationship when I was young, and it took about a month from when I broke up with my abuser for me to have the lightbulb click on in my brain, where I told a good friend, who was awesomely supportive and helpful through that process, "Wait, was this abuse?" That friend, who had volunteered at a domestic violence shelter in the past said, "I wanted you to get their on your own, because I didn't think that you were ready for someone to tell you that yet." I am actually grateful that he let me get there on my own, because, if he had told me, I would have defended my abuser, and I might have gone back. After that moment, I did all of the research, and was checking off almost everything on the "Am I in an abusive relationship?" checklists. Now, I am in a much healthier space.
@@CultstoConsciousness It was a long road, but I had a lot of support from the people I am close to. Now I work in residential treatment for teens and young adults.
@@actingqweenI was in an abusive marriage as well. His abusive behavior was so gradual in the way it developed that I didn't even realize it was abusive until it got really bad. I was so happy with my first child that my focus was on that. There were definitely things that I didn't like, but I would just defer to him because he was a little older, had more life experience, etc. And he did teach me a lot of good things about budgeting, etc. But then it became just so much worse. He wanted total control of my life. About two months before my due date, he punched me in the chest as hard as he could. I'd just fallen asleep facing him. When I caught my breath, I asked him why he would do that. He said he had fallen asleep, and was dreaming he was fighting someone. I was just thinking, "What!?" After a couple of minutes, I realized that the same episode of "Seinfeld" was on that we'd been watching when I fell asleep. There's no way he would have fallen asleep and been dreaming in a few minutes.I should have run away right then. I'm not sure why I didn't. Anyway, it was a week or so after when I remembered that two of our coworkers were talking about how you could kill someone if you hit them in the chest really hard. They were arguing about it. One didn't believe it was possible, but the other said he'd seen some case about it or something. I was only half listening at the time, and that's why it didn't ring a bell immediately after my ex hit me. Anyway, long story, sorry. I eventually got away, but it took years, and I still have scars. But I did get a happy ending.
It was similar for me. My mother was incredibly abusive and neglectful when I was a kid, but because it wasn’t severe physical abuse I didn’t realize it counted as abuse at all until I was about 20. And my first serious relationship was a very abusive one, but I didn’t realize that was abuse either. I knew it made me feel awful about myself and that he hurt me, but it wasn’t until I’d been broken up with him for a year that I realized it was abuse. So friends and I were all talking about shitty exes and my friend said something about her “abusive ex husband”, but the things he did to her were the same things my ex had done to me. I pulled her aside later and asked her about it and said “that’s abuse? I thought it was just normal crappy ex-boyfriend shit.” She gave me a hug and said “yeah, that’s abuse. I’m sorry you’re in this club too.” This was less than a year after I came to terms with the fact that my mother was abusive, so it felt like a lot. I managed to get some help and I did a lot of reading on narcissistic parents and how children of narcissistic parents often find themselves in abusive relationships. After that I found my now-husband who is amazing and we’ve been together almost 20 years (I’m old, lol).
@@Annie_Annie__ It's so hard to see "invisible" abuse. Also, it's hard because it's so unknown. People think that it's not so bad, but I remember when I had to think back to before it started and ask myself who I really was. I can't imagine what it must be like to experience it from the start, and not have a "prior self" to relate to. I'm glad that you're doing well!!
I have so much respect for both of you sharing your stories. I was in a narcissistic marriage for 18 years and my ex brought me into a church that was very cult like. Letting God decide the size of your family, submit to your husband no matter what…so much more. I’ve been out for 18 years now and still struggle with PTSD. My ex attacked me when I left. I’m one of the lucky ones. I survived and was able to get my six children away from him‼️ We are all doing well but carry many scars. Y’all make me feel like I’m not alone ❤
I’m so sorry you went through that. You are definitely not alone! Tomorrow we are releasing a video that is the reverse of this. She was raised in the IBLP cult and ended up in an abusive marriage because of it. But she’s thriving now! Hope you are too ❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness I will definitely be watching that Shalise❣️Thanks so much for your empathy and compassion❤️I know you are helping me and others to heal!!!
I can’t be the only one who thought of Twilight when she was talking about the man claiming the baby was meant for him at birth. Lol. That’s exactly what Jacob did to Bella’s baby. It always creeped me out
@@sarahbrivio4159 she was. I only remember because I have a Mormon friend who told me Edward was a Mormon girl’s wet dream when we were in high school lol
How is our government not doing anything about this? This is criminal. I seriously don't understand. My heart goes out to every woman who is being treated like cattle. This is not freedom.
They cannot do anything without cooperating witnesses with first hand knowledge of crimes. People like Amanda are technically just not firsthand witnesses.
Raised mainstream Mormon, got soft shamed/guilted by my ex mother in law for holding off having kids after only having been married for a year. Ended up being able to wait 6yrs before getting pregnant. Had 6 pregnancies and 5 kids in 10yrs... My 5th and last baby, I was 14wks pregnant when I left my narcissistic, neglectful, self-righteous, passive aggressive, codependent, ehebophilic, sadistic ex ...that was 2020. I'm still waiting for my divorce to get finalized through either a settlement conference or trial
I left my terrible marriage a year ago after 33 years of marriage and getting my own money through Social Security disability I left. I always said once I get my own money I’m leaving and I’m very proud that I did that.
@@timfoolI'm a young person with no crazy experiences but it took me 5 second to think of few possible reasons: financial violence, insecurity, lack of education, children/pregnancy/desire to preserve a family unit, financial violence, loneliness/isolation/lack of family members to help during separation, psychological violence, fear of being murdered/fear of bitter spouse killing or hurting other family members in retaliation/upbringing. Some victims continuously suffer because they don't know any different. Can you blame them for not leaving if they didn't even know this was an option or didn't want to risk the safety of their family? At least we know you were raised with minimum autonomy if you can't even imagine such circumstances, but you're lacking compassion/imagination.
The pain and suffering of these poor women has to be adding to their unwillingness to leave. Imagine suffering terribly because you believe it's the right thing to do for you and your kids and that there will be a great reward only to be confronted with finding out you were lied to. My heart breaks for them. 💔
I love Fundie Fridays- I don’t believe she herself grew up in cult but she knows so much about them! It would be really cool if you two did a collab on a cult- more of an info session than testimony but would be epic! ❤
My mom worked in a Kingston daycare and she watched a lot of this from the side lines. She told me all she wanted to do was to have kids, but she made sure to limit herself to one kid every 2-3 years because she watched Kingston wives go crazy from having a child every year.
@@nerysghemor5781 The Utah government turns the other way with the polygamist cults for some reason. You'd think they (being influenced by LDS Inc.) would bring down the hammer but they don't.
I am just blown away by how accurate and amazing Amanda is with explaining all of this cult mentality. Most of this doctrine and crazy chaotic thinking is in all of the polygamist cults and families. I’m Extremely grateful that so many young people are leaving and speaking out about the horrors of polygamy. Love you Amanda! Absolutely amazing interview!
The last time I checked in on him he did a video with Amanda and he was defending the LDS church from being a cult. I’m glad he is no longer affiliated with the church. I know a lot of ex FLDS and ex order members join the LDS Church because the core beliefs are the same. It gives them some sense of familiarity.
I am glad that she is speaking out on this so that viewers can see how dangerous these groups are 😢 These are not just conservative churches that dress modestly, children are being abused and incest is rampant
Yes!! I never know what to say to people who shrug and go, "idk, they're weird, but they seem happy and healthy." Like, "Oh okay. Well, as long as they *seem* fine."
As usual, men making their own rules. I am 65 & have come to the conclusion that the majority of men are narcissists, don’t have a woman’s best interest in mind & simple minded. Using God’s word to manipulate is the worst. My husband committed suicide when I was 29, leaving me with 2 small sons. I know it sounds harsh, but it was a blessing. I have dated 3 men & decided that I am so much happier by myself. I don’t want/need another man child to be a slave to or contend with. Thank you for bringing this awareness to women.
I’m so sorry that you went through all that. I can say there are good men out there. My husband is my partner, not my umbrella! I have a DVM and PhD and I am the bread winner technically while he quite his job and fosters medical challenge children. We are both super happy and fulfilled and never once have I felt taken advantage of.
Not all men are like that. I'm a man, and my ex was a narcissist. This is kind of funny. I have been helping out with my grandmother a lot, now that she is getting older. Now that I'm spending more time with her alone, I can't believe how big of a narcissist she is. Lol I never realized it growing up, but she has a very high opinion of herself. She thinks that she can manipulate everyone, and she is always right!. My grandfather has been dead for about 20 yrs, but I can't help but feel sorry for him, when he was alive. But yeah. Narcissism has no gender.
The problem with human beings is that they adapt and take advantage of systems which can boost their status or other power for their own advantage. Neurobiologically men on average statistically have systems which reward them more highly for aggression (whether coercive, manipulation, threatening or pure physical violence) giving you a "high" & fewer systems to introduce down regulation by introducing other neurotransmitters which make you feel "low" (eg anxiety, shame, basically called neuroticism). Add together a society since men decided war was a good way of hoarding resources of social conditioning geared towards controlling & using women for their needs (just try and think of an ancient text which isn't centred around war!) and you have women weaponised by their own biology and utterly unaware of it. Men know on average on mass how to weponize women's Neurobiologically even if its a higher awareness of threatening behaviour, to coerce when they can't be bothered to beat into submission. Narcissism is "reported" as being a tiny proportion of the population (between 3 - 5%) and higher statistically male, of that tiny percentage. These are old studies which are mainly done on prison populations to achieve diagnosis rates as no narcissist actually goes to a diagnostically capable professional (eg psychiatrist) (& tells the truth!) Knowing that doing so might result in a diagnosis! Its a rigged system which actually allows a huge majority of men to behave narcissistically and further, psycopathically and sociopathically, without the predator ever being labelled. That doesn't mean that women can't be narcissistic, ( I have encountered a few personally as they use systems again to elevate power and control and get sadistic pleasure from usurping other women). However, the undeniable rates of DV, SA, Coercion by men against women across every world population, since statistica began to be recorded over the mass of 7 by humans on the planet, is clear correlation to narcissism as an adaption which an overwhelming majority of men take advantage of. Women and men who try to argue that narcissism exists v rarely are being gaslit by old statistics and live in a bubble where they personally haven't been victimised by one (or flying monkeys for one)
After this interview I’m rewatching Escaping Polygamy. Amanda said there’s a lot of mainstream Order businesses operating. If we could get a list of those mainstream business that are ran by the Order, I think it’d do them “wonders” to have it published.😎🤩
The thing that makes having children with close relatives dangerous is that if you have similar genetics, you’re more likely to be carrying the same mutations of genes. For example, you could carry a gene for a blood disorder, but if you marry someone unrelated who doesn’t have the gene, your child won’t actually get the disorder. They might still be a carrier, but they won’t be sick. However if you have a child with a relative who is more likely to be carrying the same mutated gene, you are way more likely to have a child who has the disorder. So my guess about the “blood tests” she’s referencing is that they were testing to see if they were carriers of certain genes.
But before that comes the imbalance of powers when you marry not only a much older person with way more priviledges than you but is also closely related to you.
@@inkenhafner7187 there's so much power imbalance... even if the woman close to the age of the husband, he will always be the one in power ,but of course a way younger woman is more impressionable and naive. it's disgusting and that something like this is even remotely legal and practiced in this day and age, is insane.
@@kerlivs.makeup2503 One day my sister texted me and said, "a guy came into my work that looked like Charles the II." I said, "of England or of Spain." She says, "of Spain!" I replied, "YIKES!" LOL
Paying rent to effectively be treated like a brood mare? How is this not some form of sex trafficking? Genuinely asking if anyone’s more familiarized with the law, but this is…so sick. Sorry, I’m just mad. 😅
That could be said of any ST victim, though. I would reason that there’s enough evidence of duress to circumvent the requirement for a current complaining victim. (even in Utah, trafficking being a federal issue.) There’s also multiple ex members willing to attest to it. Again, I’m no expert, maybe there have been FBI investigations and they play the religious freedom card, who knows. Didn’t Paul get charged for something?
There is this case of a sperm donor who already fathered 500 kids, and is ordered to no longer donate his sperm. There are plenty of other stories of IVF babies, that have a father that fathered over 100's of kids. These testing's on relationship and chances on birth defects will only increase.
That reminds me of the doctor that was using his own sperm to inseminate the patients. He was the "father" to over a hundred kids. Two of the children dated for a while several years before the truth came out.
As a woman who’s had 4 consecutive unexplained miscarriages my heart goes out to those in the community who can’t have children. I’ve had every investigation possible and I’ve still been told there’s no reason why I lost all my babies. There’s nothing I could’ve done differently nor anything I could’ve done to change the outcome and to know there will be women in this community who are demonised for not being able to have babies is absolutely heart breaking.
Hi Jade, thank you for sharing that. I’m so sorry about your experience. I agree, the pain would amplified in a group like this where your entire worth is based on having kids.
I'm so sorry that you went through that. You can rest in the knowledge that you are loved by God, he cares for you. Not having children when you want them is hard. But the treatment you've received isn't from God but men. Stand up, wipe your tears and help others that are going through the same thing. Read the Bible together and learn how "God" feels about you, not men. God bless.
@@CultstoConsciousness thank you so much for replying and thank you for your kindness🖤 I’m glad you’re now in a situation where you’re valued for who you are as a person, for your soul and your light. I wish you all the happiness in the world 🖤
What's kind of funny is they did, Paul's mother put him in the leadership position and basically ran the cult behind the scenes for years. Strong women as long as they toe the line I guess
@Goodness-Gaddness Yes its kind of scary how realistic Serena Joy from the handmaid's tale is, so many women who fight for the right to not have rights its bizarre
Financial abuse and social control are what these groups sustain with. The control over members financials is *key* to making them stay in The Order. It's the same exact tactic domestic abusers use to control their victims.
I wonder if part of the reason they have each wife have a separate house is to keep the half siblings apart so they feel less gross about being expected to marry each other.
I'm a 33 year old lady for reference so hopefully this doesn't come off as creepy lol. You both are such intelligent, charismatic, dynamic, beautiful women. I love your dynamic together... it feels like joining in and hanging with 2 friends listening to you two talk. I hope you do more things together. And I just wanted to share my admiration for the 2 of you making it out of all the mess and being able to go on and be beacons of light for girls and women going through all kinds of things. Sending love and thanks to you both.
Recurrent miscarriages are ultimately why my husband and i left the mainstream mormon church... I've had 8 losses. Although it's not spoken, it's very much a "shamefull" thing in the church. I even found an article on the church website called "how to talk to childless couples", that was the end for me. My mental health has improved so much since realizing I have worth other than my child rearing abilities.
I loved this podcast. I've listened to Amanda Rae for awhile now, and just stumbled upon this gal, but I was raised LDS and yes, all this is so true. When I lost my virginity to my boyfriend I had to meet with the bishop a couple times, and just seeing his eyes widen In disgust when I had to tell him what I did, that made me stop going. Nothing and no one should ever make you feel so guilty that you think you're going the hell, especially for something so biologically natural.
Amanda has become n awesome lady trying to make her life be more then what her past is she is stronger then anyone thinks. I love her so much n i pray one day her mom will actually leave the hell she is being put through.
It’s crazy the her half siblings are closer than half siblings because they’re also her cousins? And that it’s on both “sides” because of her mom’s sister and dad’s sister both marrying her dad. Very glad she did the family bush video!
I worked with a lady that was a little bit "off", to say the least. She lived in a little community, that several people from high-school lived in. I was asking her if she knew a few people. A lot of the people there are related. She volunteered that her husband was her "double blood cousin". I had never heard that term before. The scary part is that they had kids.
Historical note for you: I think in ancient Egypt they did marry siblings. Biology note: There is absolutely a difference in whether or not you grow up with someone or not. When you grow up with someone, there is a phenomenon called the Westermarck Effect that tends to make you feel instinctively that you shouldn't marry that person. In contrast, when you DON'T know the person at all, there can be such a thing as Genetic Sexual Attraction, which is basically where a person is attracted to the similarities in that person (sometimes without knowing the other person is related). For good reason, we have laws and morals forbidding that. (Not an excuse to blame the kids though, since they have no control over their lineage.)
Wow this literally goes against what the bible says. These men are sick and twisted. I hate it when people use the bible to manipulate others. I grew up as a Jehovahs Witness and it nearly destroyed my faith and I went from one abusive relationship to another as I believed this is how you were meant to be treated. I've been free for thirty two years and I still have problems with people. But I no longer let people manipulate me or my family. Good luck and god bless to every one who has escaped these cults. x
I was adopted into a Mormon home when I was 13. I didn't learn about polygamy for many years later. Once I get to understand what it was all about I thought it was disgusting and didn't agree with it all.
OMG why are polygamists even allowed to adopt? They're probably doing it to bring fresh genes into the bloodline? Don't they have enough children already?
Mormons (LDS) are another cult where women are oppressed. I hope you realized and got out. You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile polygamist, yet Mormons worship him like he’s some kind of prophet. It’s just disgusting.
I can’t express how grateful I am for your channel! I grew up LDS and now as an adult …10 years away from the church …I still find myself leaning on the church ideals at certain points in my life. Your channel has allowed me to think through why I do certain things because of all the church programming. It’s amazing to realize that there are out there like me and dealing with the same struggles. Thank you!
You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile, don’t you? He married very young girls. That should be enough right there to make you sever ties with the LDS cult. Do not support that disgusting man by leaning on his made up church ideals. You have to stand up and speak up!
I did not imagine I could enjoy a conversation about such dreadful goings on so much but you're both so eloquent and charismatic that the time just flew by. The absurd paradox of inbreeding being seen as ensuring strength in the bloodline was perversely amusing, especially that the belief persisted even while they did blood tests to avoid the worst of the risks!
The irony was not lost on me. How strange. I get "maintaining your blood line", but on one side of the line is good enough. We have known that genetic diversity is the key to strong offspring for a long time. IDK...it's just crazy.
I remember the first thing said to myself when I dropped from a cult was "be patient with yourself because this is going to be a long process". Your authentic self already shines through I have to say though. It's something you probably can't see but you are way ahead of this crazy game in many ways. Keep playing snd having fun like you do in your videos if it doesn't resonate with sone let them drop off and stay firm in just being you as you are. It may be too real for some and they will find what they are looking for elsewhere and you can continue on your mission. The seeds you are planting are many layered. You are brave and original . Being original can be isolating but don't play smaller for anyone . You ladies are each so incredible and an inspiration I am 60 years old and learning, laughing right along with you. Narcissism is def the problem /patriarchy I LOVE how you pointed out how the women have all the power. I cannot believe how many large snd mini cults there are And so many new age ones it's crazy All these "schools" online and books of people "teaching" others about the so called gods and goddesses who got them out if their hell just another cult 💰 💰 💰 Selling training after training, jewelry all pushed by the in or cool club of the group It's just rediculous and I just love this channel Your compassion as well as detail is what keeps me coming back
I'd love for you guys to cover why this group needs to be taken down by the FBI and IRS - they should not be tax exempt when they violate labor laws and all kind of other abuse....
So, our neighbors a few blocks away here in Kaysville are rumored to be Kingston poligs... is there anything a regular citizen can do to protect children in our community from SA and incest, coercion, etc? I genuinely want to help but have no idea how?
Hispanic man here - Probably not me, but I grew up in Davis County, UT. Once upon a time, about Spring 2009, a woman named "Julie" cheated on her Kingston Clan husband with me. Doubt I was the one from the story, but it did catch my ear lol.
I wasn't raised in a "cult", never joined one - But listening to ex-cultists is like finally having someone understand my father & my ex-husband. It's amazing how these forms of thinking can manifest in many situations in this world.
As I read my Brighamite branch of my g grandmother's (Julia Hills Johnson Smith) journal, I discovered her daughter included an epilogue. She said this second generation polygamist, third wife of Joesph Smith's cousin Jesse N. Smith... accepted polygamy happily since she was born into it. Indoctrinated from birth kept screaming in my mind. She was one of the many daughters of Joel Hills Johnson, the writer of High on a Mountain Top... the LD$ hymn. Groomed. And obviously, that was okay. Every few years there are huge family reunions for the progenitors of these MEN and we are supposed to sing their praises for being so faithful and righteous. Even the obituaries of the plural wives praise the men. The age differences between husband and wives tell a whole story of exploitation and abuse on their own. Barf.
I went to high-school with a mormon. One day, I asked him what was wrong (his desk was right beside mine), because he looked a little down. He said that he was depressed because he is gay, and his parents were picking out a wife for him. I wonder how that works.
My mom's maiden name is LeBaron, and Ervil and Joel LeBaron are my grandpa's second cousins. I was in the mainstream church, but it's fascinating hearing all of the overlap and differences between the different groups.
The genetic testing is legal, in the UK it's offered to communities that do cousin marriage regularly, like Pakistani communities. They can then advise them how to safely have children. A lot of it is about doubling up on recessives, you need a copy from both parents. Obviously siblings or cousins have a higher chance of both having the mutation. It's entirely voluntary here, but there was a high rate of severe intellectual disabilities The Egyptian Pharaohs did breed brother to sister, they believed they were descended from Ra I think? We've found very few royal mummies without deformities or genetic issues
@@powderandpaint14faik no, but the weddings in these groups aren't legal weddings, unless it's the first wife. It's just a church wedding, often literally trafficked to other states where the laws are more lax. Then the first wives have a much harder time leaving with their children because their father is on the birth certificate. And of course then the men aren't on the birth certificates, aren't legally married to the mothers and then the state can't come after them for child support
