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Why Hololive Wins by Doing Nothing 

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@MildlyOCD
@MildlyOCD Месяц назад
I would argue that they aren't "doing nothing"; they're doing almost everything correctly, & anything that they don't, they learn from.
@ShotRage
@ShotRage Месяц назад
Agreed. The main reason it looks like they are "doing nothing" is because most people only care/notice when people are doing something wrong.
@Felipeetc
@Felipeetc Месяц назад
I mean, this was literally specified in the video later 😂
@Edmond_6
@Edmond_6 Месяц назад
Did you comment before watching lol 3:20
@thenoisyninja
@thenoisyninja Месяц назад
It looks like nothing because it’s expected of them. You dont get praise for paying your bills or doing the dishes. There are no trophies for just doing your job. Its merely the standard we should expect of every corp, just the bar is so low these days.
@Shiirow
@Shiirow Месяц назад
I think they mean doing nothing as in nothing beyond just their everyday practices.
@xaero07vsxaero69
@xaero07vsxaero69 Месяц назад
This makes me remember that interview with Yagoo and Coco. Where he essentially says he regretted not being able to help her all that they could. I'd like to think that this is what kickstarted their drive for competence and professionalism that is the standard that we have today.
@andrehashimoto8056
@andrehashimoto8056 Месяц назад
Coco was probably their wakeup call that if they wanted to have any long term stay in this industry, they HAD to set themselves some standards and practices, that a pure JP corporate style of managing things wouldn't cut if they want to enter markets that don't follow the same core ideas most Asian societies do (Confucionism, aka Societal stability is the priority even if at the cost of individuals wellbeing). Coco on those days still seemed to hold her US roots of a more Indivualistic and risk taker daredevil attitude, Old Holo didn't fit her well, and after the "Mainland Taiwan" mess and Cover's failures there, it motivated her to leave, though she clearly saw potential in them for further growth. Having those Early growth pains now paid dividends to them, they learned several key lessons, and also Understood that EN would require some Management adaptations to welcome them better. And even to this day they at least let the Talents voice complaints or suggestions to help them better manage said talents
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo Месяц назад
I certainly think it was Yagoo learning from his mistakes with Coco that has kept the company safe from situations like those of Niji.
@vexile1239
@vexile1239 Месяц назад
So what I'm getting is that Hololive learns, that other corpo refuses to learn and adapt
@alexjustalexyt1144
@alexjustalexyt1144 Месяц назад
@@vexile1239 yea, cause the other corporations aren't really learning, they are just copying. Vtubing is kinda of a gold rush rn or it at least used to be, it slowed down recently but still progressing and still relatively new. The other companies don't really care about the industry, they are only after the money and money alone. They are treating vtubers like stock and not actual employees
@drzero7
@drzero7 Месяц назад
Yup, this is my sentiment. And the thing is, you saw the changes, unlike other corpos.
@War5aw
@War5aw Месяц назад
1:55 "The only people who have a problem with Hololive are Nijisisters."
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE Месяц назад
Nijisisters currently shitting on Suisei - i cant believe them
@AceUkiyoGeatsIX
@AceUkiyoGeatsIX Месяц назад
@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE The niji troll force isn't known for being smart.
@lamanhnguyen8866
@lamanhnguyen8866 Месяц назад
Are fans of an agency usually anti fans of other agencies? Because frankly I mainly watch Hololive but I also watch other agencies
@user-lj3xk8nl3l
@user-lj3xk8nl3l Месяц назад
​@@lamanhnguyen8866nah, it's just nijisisters being nijisisters
@wat_aiwan
@wat_aiwan Месяц назад
Im not surprise if those people start to hate Hololive. When your community really getting bad, you will envy and jealous with other group achievement.
@Pudding404
@Pudding404 Месяц назад
I notice that the talents do their own thing, they don't treat vtubing as a competition. They all go at their own speed and improve as their own individual content creators. That's why I feel hololive hasn't suffered from that "ingenuine big corpo feeling" for lack of a better term.
@andrehashimoto8056
@andrehashimoto8056 Месяц назад
Cover understands that there's many character archetypes and content types, and even if they have a bunch within one given field (ASMR for example) there's enough distinction between talents in said field to not cause audience disputes. Their Auditions are carefully screened for, and the interviews aimed at making sure that even if a Talent they chose makes content another only one Generation older also does, they will both have their own spin of it, so there will never be a full cross of Audience pools which may need them to fight over them. It's this High Quality process that enables them to let the Talents do what they want within company rules and TOS
@Renzu-ZG
@Renzu-ZG Месяц назад
It only becomes a competition during a collab and they try to blast each other to pieces.
@ninjablade2
@ninjablade2 Месяц назад
@@Renzu-ZG lmaooo
@CybersteelEx
@CybersteelEx Месяц назад
people forget what happened to the youtube makeup creators back in the day. They tried to aggresively outcompete one another and lost subs all across the board. A rising tide lifts all boats and all that.
@Damons11
@Damons11 Месяц назад
​@@andrehashimoto8056 Soo that's why there Is no Hololive id Gen 4 until this day
@Tomeroche
@Tomeroche Месяц назад
I think the big difference between Hololive and Nijisanji's contract is like a leash, Hololive will use it to guide and keep the dog from running off somewhere while Niji will yank on it every chance they get then leave the dog tied to a tree for a full day because they forgot to bring them back inside.
@jjQlLlLq
@jjQlLlLq Месяц назад
Oh good analogy!
@codenameenshrimp
@codenameenshrimp Месяц назад
Another analogy i personally came up (while on a bit different lines) working for hololive vs nijisanji is like working for Walmart vs Amazon ... in nijisanji (amazon) they truly don't care (or at least seem to not) for the talents, if one fails, just replace em ... meanwhile working for hololive (Walmart) while to a point they might not actually care (they probably do but thats besides the point) they at the very least PRETEND to (again if not actually just do) care for the talents and try to make sure everyone fits just right and has a certain level of care ... This is not to say Walmart is as good as hololive as a place to work, one completely different field and working conditions, this is to say between two sets of massive corporations, you have 1 that actively exploits its "workers" without remorse, and 1 that at least on the surface cares (again, especially in the case of Walmart, they don't care, they just pretend to)
@illiiilli24601
@illiiilli24601 Месяц назад
​​@@codenameenshrimphololive = Costco(?). They care about their bottom line, but know that happy workers and happy fans means long term growth
@WinWhite
@WinWhite Месяц назад
the hell, bro...
@sebastiantafoya3609
@sebastiantafoya3609 8 дней назад
​@codenameenshrimp I think using HEB instead of Walmart is a better analogy, I don't know if you know people who work there but I worked there myself, I miss it dearly, I earn way more now but the way you are treated there is really next level.
@necroenkai2300
@necroenkai2300 Месяц назад
Hololive choose to become the gold standard. This is why they have a bright future. They make sure that each talent can grow in their own unique way, and offer the same chances and opportunities regardless of popularity.
@liesandy291
@liesandy291 Месяц назад
When your CEO can cry in front of you and work together for a solution is just based, dope, super lit.
@Rar830
@Rar830 Месяц назад
@@liesandy291I’ve seen thstvideo
@avioracrown6967
@avioracrown6967 Месяц назад
Their manager is actually working and active on watch It's a real company
@Melcor2304
@Melcor2304 Месяц назад
@@liesandy291when they can take simple gaffes and can roll with it, you know they’re born winners.
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
​@@liesandy291yagoo seems to actually care about the talents and vision of the company, which is much more than you can say about the average CEO
@vencelfoldi8236
@vencelfoldi8236 Месяц назад
I think Hololive's overwhelmingly positive PR these days isn't so much about the agency not having internal issues from time to time. At the end of the day, it is still a Japanese idol agency, of course problems will take root every now and then. I feel it has more to do with the internal structure of the company being competent enough where almost all of these issues are resolved before the public would even learn of them, and also resolved in a manner which is amicable and doesn't make the talents want to show the peace sign and leave (as suggested by the very low turnover rate). And obviously, as pointed out by everyone else, they learn from every mistake they make. Hololive was presented with a crossroads during the whole Coco/HoloCN debacle, and while they handled the majority of the situation really poorly, ultimately they chose the right path. Who knows what sort of black hole of a company they could be today, had they committed to keeping the Chinese branch by any means necessary back then.
@Benzcrimsonitacilunarnebula
@Benzcrimsonitacilunarnebula Месяц назад
Nicely put
@Asmodeus696
@Asmodeus696 Месяц назад
Funny enough, there was a recent bit of stream/chatter that showed that Coco is still on friendly terms with Yagoo. Something to the effect of them still casually conversing on Discord about day to day stuff.
@ninjablade2
@ninjablade2 Месяц назад
@@Asmodeus696 I mean you could tell that more or less by Coco's departure stream and the 1 on 1 talk they had during that~ Coco was the first Vtuber from an agency that had their vods kept up post graduation and became an alumni really rather than a "former member", not to mention she's someone with loads of great ideas i could totally see talking behind the scenes not only with other members but also the staff and Yagoo ofc~
@syaondri
@syaondri Месяц назад
​@@Asmodeus696is it the vtuber card stream?
@Mousse9
@Mousse9 Месяц назад
@@syaondriShe got the YAGOO card, wanted to tell him on Discord later (showing she keeps in touch), and even can get it signed by YAGOO. Yesh, they’re on friendly terms.
@sientense
@sientense Месяц назад
I think Hololive are doing an amazing job in another important thing: Recruitment. Everyone wants to become holotalent, but it seems they have an insanely good audition and selection system, as well as onboarding and education programmes. Every debut in Hololive have that perfect combination of unique charm and passion, but you can tell because of their reactions or actions that they know what they're doing. Of course, most of Hololive were someone from entertainment before joining, but I think it's amazing how Recruitment select and train just the right people who fit in like a missing puzzle to a broader picture.
@ThatchNetherfold
@ThatchNetherfold Месяц назад
I wouldn't say "right people who fit in like a missing puzzle to a broader picture", I'd say its more like "getting new people with their own new diversed colors to paint the canvas". If one take note, you will realize almost every Holomem has their own uniqueness and trait that stands out compared to the others, even if some do share similarities by personality (like Roboco, Miko and Hajime) or by content type (like Suisei and Marine).
@sientense
@sientense Месяц назад
@@ThatchNetherfold true true
@BrahmaDBA
@BrahmaDBA Месяц назад
I feel like HoloID is a testament of this. Each HoloID girls are insanely good at what they do. I have heard from insider info that the selection process is insanely difficult hence why those who become talents are the cream of the crop.
@snibetisnab211
@snibetisnab211 Месяц назад
YAGOO doing the Gabe Newell strategy.
@lildyo
@lildyo Месяц назад
Gabe Newell truly doing nothing by not ever releasing Half Life 3
@MisterUmbra2kXx
@MisterUmbra2kXx Месяц назад
WHO IN THE BLUE BLAZES IS GABE NEWELL,ANYWAY???!!!!!
@weegeethedancer5300
@weegeethedancer5300 Месяц назад
​@@MisterUmbra2kXxPresident of Valve Corporation, he is also the founder of Steam
@ameame32
@ameame32 Месяц назад
@@MisterUmbra2kXx Lord Gaben basically the discount giver every December
@newbplaygames
@newbplaygames Месяц назад
@@ameame32 ever heard of dreaded steam summer sales?
@SpookyTree255
@SpookyTree255 Месяц назад
Basically, the biggest problem that Cover has in regards of Hololive is that its corporate culture that keep letting it "winning by doing nothing" is extremely dependant of Yagoo... God forbids, but if something bad happens to our best girl then, seeing how absurdly greedy the shareholders were in past reunions, it most certain that the corpo would become Niji 2.0
@saltycat243
@saltycat243 Месяц назад
If Yagoo retired, I hope A-chan can continue as CEO.
@ThePrastomo
@ThePrastomo Месяц назад
THIS. In every successful Kings, he cast a dark shadow to his successor.
@dalriada7554
@dalriada7554 Месяц назад
@@saltycat243It's unlikely, she's quite young (since she's roughly the same age as Sora) and the japanese corporate culture is what it is.
@EbanescenceJ
@EbanescenceJ Месяц назад
If Yagoo decides to graduate, we’ll see the successor in more PR and media in preparation. We’ll have ample time to baptize them or throw them to the lions.
@ransan
@ransan Месяц назад
Took the words right out of my brain. I've always had this worry at the back of my mind. Yagoo is already somewhat old, will continue to grow older, and his body will decline. I'm very anxious about the day when someone needs to be chosen to take his place. The world is swarming with scummy opportunistic vultures that would want that position and it would require some insane luck to find a worthy and respectable successor.
@ghaida_alt5082
@ghaida_alt5082 Месяц назад
Other CEOs : boss, his word is absolute, hard to contact Cover CEO : father figure, you can easily contact him (or his assistant) on discord and ask to become merch model
@somethingmorecreative
@somethingmorecreative Месяц назад
Sadly, he retired as a model
@Melcor2304
@Melcor2304 Месяц назад
@@somethingmorecreativewell if he’s free,sometimes he can do it. Iroha posted a picture of him with ice cream on her Twitter during holofest.
@Sillimant_
@Sillimant_ Месяц назад
H2oSakana: gets bullied by the talents
@ghaida_alt5082
@ghaida_alt5082 Месяц назад
@@somethingmorecreative I think not 100% retired. He's available but not very active like before. He has just opened a new office in the USA He is still busy selecting new employees and plans regarding the new office (or events).
@izumolee6714
@izumolee6714 Месяц назад
You know Hololive is doing extremely well is every after Holofes talk by the talent have nothing but praise. Saying things like they are so happy to be in Hololive, it was a dream come true, they are living a dream, glad they didn't decide to quit (Azki), etc... Cali mentioning that she wouldn't have gotten the opportunities like the Suicide Squad gig if she wasn't in Hololive. You have Suisei being apart of IdolMaster, or Aqua apart of SAO. Listening to these girls we can tell they are well taken care of. Heck even the boys having only positive things to say. Sure Hololive isn't perfect but they sure know how to treat their talent & staff which only lead to positivity with the fans. If the talent are happy, so are the fans.
@soasertsus
@soasertsus Месяц назад
Yeah I think the big difference is that, even when yabs happpen with hololive, it never feels malicious. They have built up enough goodwill from a long history of visibly doing right by their talents that when something bad like a termination happens, most fans can trust that it really was a genuine mistake or an unavoidable issue. It's a rare moment of negativity in a sea of positive news. Whereas with Niji, people make fun of the talents when they try to defend the company lol
@normalguy5583
@normalguy5583 Месяц назад
i think DN didn't research the boys much, otherwise he will have difference thing to say. the boys actively praise their manager alot. also go into a bit here and there of what their manager job is. listen to them talking about that true star fan can relieve that they are fine under hololive care. p/s: also, careful anyone pretend to be hololive or star fan and try to stir up drama with a favoritism rrat. that's pretty much a nijisister.
@glenbe4026
@glenbe4026 29 дней назад
@@normalguy5583 I generally feel DN did not really grasp one of the biggest difference between Hololive and Nijisanji (and other VTuber agencies) is their managers. I discovered Hololive when HoloEn started and immediately it was mentioned that they had good relationships with their managers (who spoke English). And that there was 3 managers for the 5 of them which would become 4 managers when Kiara moved back to Austria. Meanwhile, Nijisanji apparently has Elira as manager/Vtuber, and graduates who can't speak English.
@kirbyx2573
@kirbyx2573 Месяц назад
It is pretty nice that Hololive has very, very little bad stuff going on/happening. They are truly just winning and honestly? I am onboard for it. Now I just pray for the bois to win more. They deserve it.
@liesandy291
@liesandy291 Месяц назад
they're on their way. holostar 5th concert is one of them,
@kirbyx2573
@kirbyx2573 Месяц назад
​​@@liesandy291bro thanks for telling me that, I was unaware! Love to see it lets go!
@Gakusangi
@Gakusangi Месяц назад
Yagoo does seem to like and support the bois, it's just hard for male vtubers that aren't selling the boyfriend experience.
@Standard445
@Standard445 Месяц назад
@@Gakusangi The boys are doing fine
@manhealme
@manhealme Месяц назад
​Yeah wholeheartedly agree, if you don't do fujoshi bait content, you ain't making it which is really sad to think. Like having variety actually hinders them ​@@Gakusangi
@dabombishere123
@dabombishere123 Месяц назад
As part of Cover’s Mission statement says: “We create brand-new experiences of the highest quality by utilizing cutting-edge technologies.” They give their audience the best possible experience by wisely re-investing in their talents and innovating technologically, great PR that is clear and concise, and being trendsetter/trailblazers looking to the future, while also adapting to the modern times. Happy fans + happy talent = $$$. An equation that seems so simple on paper, but many fail to implement.
@ninjablade2
@ninjablade2 Месяц назад
The reason others fail to actualize the "Happy fans + happy talent = $$$." Is because to make that equation happen is MUCH more difficult than it is presented as with that equivalency xD It's much easier to do things more along the lines of treating people like products, and the most effective way to make money with a product is to invest a little in a bunch of 'products' and then when one starts taking off you invest more into it as a cash cow while continuing to go wide leaving the investments that don't take off on their own as write offs that the single explosive ones will make up for Hololive 'builds tall' as every talent gets the same amount of investment regardless of popularity so they all grow tall together (but with significant investment and upkeep cost), while many other companies 'build wide' stretching out the resources super thin while keeping costs low and waiting for a single inevitable thin investment to blow up making them back their whole investment over the field 10x over without needing to worry about the conditions of any investment other than the one that finally succeeds
@Chameleonred5
@Chameleonred5 Месяц назад
That mission statement is just a bunch of corporate buzzwords thrown together. You can read anything from it.
@dabombishere123
@dabombishere123 Месяц назад
@@Chameleonred5 perhaps, but what vtuber companies are making concerts with as much production value as Hololive (quality), and that are investing millions of dollars like they did on that mocap studio (cutting edge technology). Both buzzwords they use hold true
@esense9602
@esense9602 11 дней назад
I still laugh that Hololive started because of a shitty ping pong game. Maybe it was destiny.😆
@Chameleonred5
@Chameleonred5 14 часов назад
@@dabombishere123 Yeah? That's the point I was making. What you've interpreted _is_ true. But you could easily interpret it in other directions that would _also_ be true. The mission statement is so generalized that it means nothing.
@ringoreddo308
@ringoreddo308 Месяц назад
The biggest drama Hololive can go through is a typo in an official anouncement about an event.
@kikitondo8390
@kikitondo8390 Месяц назад
Lol yeah, they do frequently make mistake in there.
@legendarydigitize2523
@legendarydigitize2523 Месяц назад
That or that announcement of their usa office
@blankslate3832
@blankslate3832 Месяц назад
I just recalled that time when they announced the delaying of the HoloMyth 3D models without first announcing about the models themselves.
@cucumbermainline
@cucumbermainline Месяц назад
Dude, there was subreddit post dunking on holoEN twitter account for being late with the congratulations tweets like Mumei's 1M subs milestone. I mean it's valid criticism but idk imo it's a nothingburger.
@FuMiO02110
@FuMiO02110 Месяц назад
​@@cucumbermainlineIts a nothingburger because Hololive NEVER do that in the 1st place..like birthday? Sure...but the only congratulatory they get for milestones are "おめでとう" from Yagoo and its been running like that for a while...Like why people suddenly upset?
@BakusanDayo
@BakusanDayo Месяц назад
"The essence of strategy is choosing what not to do" - Michael Porter That is the "doing nothing" part; to do nothing in certain areas strategically. To know what revenue stream is worthwhile to pursuit and what not to do. Unlike Nijsanji, trying to do everything, and failing half the endeavors, Hololive is careful in who they bring on, which revenue stream to grow, and which opportunities they will not take on. Evident by the size of Nijisanji vs Hololive. Evident by Fuwamoco, as stated in the video. Doing nothing, therefore, is not an automatic implication of laziness or indifference, as some seem to think.
@secondsein7749
@secondsein7749 Месяц назад
Bro, this is so damn well put and summarise everything neatly. Kudos.
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
People who have never worked in a big company have a difficult time understanding how much work it takes to keep it sailing smoothly. That maintenance work isn't as interesting or exciting as doing new things but it's absolutely vital. Nijisanji essentially got an engine and mounted a huge turbo charger that is slowly but surely destroying the internals. Hololive did all the work by investing in new pistons, headers, and exhaust for the engine so it can actually handle the boost and is now smoothly making huge power.
@lianaverwood9810
@lianaverwood9810 Месяц назад
​@@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Are you referring to the Agency with this Analogy, or just the State of Riku's Yacht? ;p
@LARAUJO_0
@LARAUJO_0 Месяц назад
"Never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake" ~ Sun Tzu
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
​@@lianaverwood9810considering how he handles his company, I wouldn't be surprised if the yacht was in a similar state lol.
@ckmishn3664
@ckmishn3664 Месяц назад
Between the 69 members that Hololive JP+IN+ID have ever had they've collectively had, I would estimate, about 200 years collectively working for Hololive. Out of those 69 members, setting aside Mano Aloe who left almost immediately, they have only had 2 members (Coco & Sana) leave voluntarily (or 1 per 100 years worked). That's an unbelievably low rate of turnover, and is pretty indicative that the members are happy with their contracts.
@GeovaneSanciniSR
@GeovaneSanciniSR Месяц назад
Don't also forget that Sana leaved because of health issues, it wasn't a burnout/limitation like it was with Coco.
@TheRealVordox
@TheRealVordox Месяц назад
And then we have Holostars...
@jack90054
@jack90054 Месяц назад
​@@TheRealVordox Even Stars is a lot more stable than most out there. Out of 28 total talents across all branches (JP+EN), we have 1 termination and 4 graduations. While this is def higher than the girls, it is still very low by Vtuber industry standards.
@TheRealVordox
@TheRealVordox Месяц назад
​@@jack90054 Holostars 25% was real before Uproar/En 2/3. Kira, Suzaku, Kaoru, 25% of the Og 12. Holostars Tempus, 25% of the 8 starting in Tempus. Armis and Uproar isn't part of it, luckily.
@BlueBrawler0
@BlueBrawler0 29 дней назад
Nice
@averagewhiteguy2
@averagewhiteguy2 Месяц назад
One thing I'm not sure I can agree with in this video is the implication that it is always better to give more freedom to the talents. I disagree. While being super duper restrictive is definitely bad, I think Cover strikes a really good balance. Too much "freedom" leads to yabs, especially political and social ones. I like chuubas literally never discussing any of these topics, whereas it feels like I can't find Western vtubers outside of hololive that don't talk about these things. It's nice to have ones that don't talk about that crap. But even more than that, I agree with the Orson Welles quote "The Enemy of Art is the Absence of Limitations". Hololive is a great example of how the gold standard of vtubing has come from chuubas who do not have absolute freedom and have restrictions. A good balance is key to hololive's success.
@yummychips_
@yummychips_ Месяц назад
I agree. Hololive isn't full on cookie cutter kids content and their not out there with spicy hot takes on sensitive or contested topics. They tread water carefully, the talents know it, management knows it, the fandom knows it. I'm pretty sure now when they recruit talent, they likely spend months on learning and practicing their approach to avoid getting caught up in situations. IMO I think holo's biggest strenght is that they sell their talents as an "entertainment act" like as if they are just playing a character role. I feel basically every other agency and indie sells themselves more like regular content creator. I think non holo talents never do that, and are basically just being themselves or a altered or exagerrated version of themselves like normal streamers. You could say that holo talents aren't entirely acting, but they are if you think about how they "censor" themselves away from certain topics and converstations.
@secondsein7749
@secondsein7749 Месяц назад
Agreed. What people don't realize is that absolute freedom especially in arts are rarely if ever a good thing. Most of the time, those freedom gets abused. We've practically seen this in Hollywood where legendary directors were given carte blanche with the thinking that they would make bangers. Then the product they make turns out to be shit because the directors have no one to tell them no, that their some of their ideas are shit. And in vtubing we see this is Nijisanji where their talents get to say whatever they want. The result is that the talents create more trouble than it's worth.
@unknownstreamer7077
@unknownstreamer7077 Месяц назад
At the end of the end, they are still a COMPANY, and Companies have rules that need to abide to. Every company outside of vtubing has employee rules that from an outside perspective is very restrictive, but most of the time those rules are there for a reason. Even before you work for them, the rules are under the contract and if you don't like it don't sign it.One of the sticking point that most people think should be implemented, that I don't agree with, is that the talent should graduate/leave with their model. The reason why I don't think they should leave with it is that it's company assets, it was only lent to the talents, and at the end of the day the company still owns it. A good comparison is when an employee is lent a costume, you don't own it when you stop working for the company, and if they let you have it when you leave it can still be seen as a property of your previous company.
@TheGreatMaou
@TheGreatMaou Месяц назад
huuuuuuge agree. I mean look at phase, while they might give their talents a bit more leeway to speak on certain issues (mainly pippa) even they make sure they don't get too crazy.
@rowanmales3430
@rowanmales3430 Месяц назад
Yeah, it is a little unfortunate that DN is a little personally biased here. He's on the far end of anti-corporate pro-freedom. He does quite well being fair generally (impressive) but it can be seen slightly when it comes to corpo restrictions, and likewise his preference for companies operating on a more Vshojo-lite model.
@intijoshua
@intijoshua Месяц назад
For me, A-chan in Hololive is like the BEST thing
@MisterUmbra2kXx
@MisterUmbra2kXx Месяц назад
From my own point of view,A-Chan is more "best girl" material than YAGOO himself.
@YawnMK1
@YawnMK1 Месяц назад
​@@MisterUmbra2kXxnot sure man, both of them have created some wonderful stuff. Yagoo's vision, experience and determination managed to create cover, transform it, and spawn Hololive. A-Chan's tireless dedication, spirit and stubnorness managed to create the framework from almost 0 to what it is now. They both are best grills, just from diferent departments.
@kairokuys6991
@kairokuys6991 Месяц назад
The three things I believe that laid Hololive's solid foundation in the vtuber industry: 1. Yagoo's vision 2. A-chan's skills 3. Sora's determination Without these three things, I don't think Cover or Holo could get anywhere.
@glenbe4026
@glenbe4026 29 дней назад
@@kairokuys6991 Because Yagoo did not set out to be a VTuber company, since A-Chan was the first (and the management in charge of Azki and Suisei was an out & out failure) I wonder if A-Chan's more personal management style set the tone for how Holomanagers interact with their talent.
@fruitlessdog6304
@fruitlessdog6304 Месяц назад
From what I can glean from watching Vesper and Magni in their future lives, it very much seemed like they wanted to leave the company together, like "Bro, I was thinking of leaving the company", "Yo me too", "Yeah let's do it!". They are doing well now, with lots of collabs with people in the wider industry, and even with the other current Holostars boys, so I'm guessing it wasn't personal drama between any talents. They likely disagreed with management on direction, but only enough to make them decide to amicably leave, and management allowed them to amicably leave. It's sad we didn't get formal graduations, there was probably a disagreement on how to do that too, but their ending is likely the best we could hope for. I'll still hold positive feelings for the people involved, and continue watching all of the Holostars boys, in or out of the company.
@Corrodias
@Corrodias Месяц назад
It's hard to imagine what the reason for their decision was, but everyone seems to have handled it professionally. Vesper did butt heads with managers a couple of times. Perhaps they just didn't like the company life of having executives to answer to, and that's fair.
@DALKurumiTokisaki
@DALKurumiTokisaki 15 дней назад
If you paid attention to Vesper both in and out of his time in Cover it's pretty damn clear that he doesn't jive well at all with a business/corporate structure let alone authority. This combined with problems regarding getting his medication through customs when trying to travel to Japan and you have a similar to that of Sana where being part of Cover just wasn't their thing.
@luxraydarkrai
@luxraydarkrai 10 дней назад
I would like to think that their choice of not having a graduation stream is because of timing, Advent had just debuted and they don't want to drag down the energy and their debut hype out of respect, noticed how the graduation notice were published couple of weeks after their debut, right around when the new energy has calmed down a bit. Definitely can't discount the possibility of them discussed this beforehand with Advent before their debut, considering we got clips of Tempus (at least Magni) had a short chat and was given advice by Sana before she graduated
@luqmanloki4803
@luqmanloki4803 Месяц назад
My favourite thing about Hololive is that they give time for their talents to mesh together after debuting. They don't rush for another debut a few months after one. I get to see the new talents collab and also have their own time to establish on their own their uniqueness.
@Uldihaa
@Uldihaa Месяц назад
Needs to be pointed out that Cover Corp didn't go public via IPO until the end of March 2023, so there weren't any shareholders until then. Investors, yes. Shareholders, no.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
Yes at this point whetever a shareholder tells them to change things to make more money they can easily point out to the several years of wild success that they have been enjoying and calmly say "no" Shareholders are not all powerful, usually a company will only be forced to change direction if their current policies really arent working and are losing people money and even then changes can be hard to come by, just look at nijisanji despite all their fuck ups and despite also being a publicly traded company they still havent changed and just keep chugging along
@Plainsburner
@Plainsburner 24 дня назад
@@carso1500 The one thing they have is that Cover's share price and market cap are currently way overvalued. That means that shareholders are expecting massive growth that is probably impossible to achieve. Though at the same time Cover doesn't really need to care about shareholders, as they already got their cash injection for the new studio and are not really looking to sell more shares, meaning the stock price is irrelevant to them. Anycolor stock is also greatly overvalued, but they tried to pull all the stops to keep it high, only for it to fall anyways. I am wondering why their leadership is focusing so much on their stock valuation when it shouldn't really matter that much to the company.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
@@Plainsburner nijisanji did invest a lot of money in a lot of projects that ended in absolute disaster like that vtuber school thing or their attempt at that weird vtuber date thing and nijiEN was predicted by them to become a good chunk of their revenue at one point (which obviously it's no longer the case) I think they need to try to keep the stocks up because they are in serious danger of shareholders losing money and making the company less attractive for future investment Meanwhile hololive has a lot of projects and some of the fail but it's not as disastrous as nijisanji and a lot of their projects do end up being successful or are more long term projects (like the holoalt initiative) so their impact is not yet felt Honestly i feel like hololive is just smarter and knows how to invest their money better, like the 3D studio and creating an office in the USA
@ashina2146
@ashina2146 Месяц назад
The "Wins by Doing Nothing" is often misused, though it originated with Luigi Wins by doing absolutely Nothing. This is often used with Valve, where the phrase "Steam Win by Doing Nothing" isn't that true, Steam Win by providing the Service People wanted. The same can be said for Hololive, they win by providing Service the People Wanted, Yagoo feet pics.
@standard-carrier-wo-chan
@standard-carrier-wo-chan Месяц назад
While it does come from the Luigi meme, I feel like you can interpolate the statement into the idiom "when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." Basically Steam and Hololive are doing everything so right that they seem to be barely doing anything outside the standard - because they are the standard.
@QHoang-tt5ht
@QHoang-tt5ht Месяц назад
Admit it, we will never get a Yagoo merch.
@xuanquang9815
@xuanquang9815 26 дней назад
@@QHoang-tt5htKson got a Yagoo card, did it count?
@QHoang-tt5ht
@QHoang-tt5ht 26 дней назад
@@xuanquang9815 close enough.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
​@@QHoang-tt5hthe doesnt want to outshine his own talents
@mikegarcia440
@mikegarcia440 Месяц назад
"This is a video explaining how Hololive wins by doing absolutely nothing... or at least, that's what a lot of fans say." Great video as usual.
@rendezvousonmemorylane
@rendezvousonmemorylane Месяц назад
I think we can see from the fact that talents like Coco were able to buy a $9000 bed in the year 2020 and the fact that all their talents consistently put out 3D Live that are self-funded and cost easily over a $100k each means that they're getting paid well enough. No 2% here.
@liesandy291
@liesandy291 Месяц назад
even the company is outspending the competitor in important project. (Infrastructure, Wage, Event).
@DALKurumiTokisaki
@DALKurumiTokisaki Месяц назад
Mori has moved 3 times, rented property in Japan, than BOUGHT property in the US during her career in Hololive. Roboco also bought a house in Tokyo like last year and Ame has her in-house 3D studio.
@jack90054
@jack90054 Месяц назад
Also, since Cover is a public company now, how much revenue/profit they share with their talents is public information you can find. I think in 2023 it was something like 40+%
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
Cover's report of revenue share shows that talents get around 30% of the revenue, but can be as high as 50% on merchandise.
@jayzenstyle
@jayzenstyle Месяц назад
​@@pedrofelipefreitas2666 much much than 2% for sure xD
@rowanmales3430
@rowanmales3430 Месяц назад
I think its a mistake to think the Holo contract is only slightly better. The Niji contract is abysmal even by Japanese standards. And I don't think it is correct to argue that it should be assumed Holo has a very average JP contract to begin with; practically everything about Hololive is either better than average or literally THE industry gold standard. Combined with the fact the talents *and ex-talents* aren't expressing any notable discontent with that aspect (in comparison to their competition, which heavily imply how bad it is/was on the regular) then if anything it makes more sense to assume their contracts are better than average. On another note, you might have added that when Coco graduated she was allowed to livestream a Q and A with Yagoo live. That is not something you do as a CEO unless you are beyond confident that your talents are happy and aren't holding grudges. Can you even imagine Riku Tazumi doing that? And, of course, it would take one heck of a good company to gain the trust of people like Shiori (for those who knew her PL), so for me that dispels the idea that the holo contract can be remotely close to Nijis.
@ObsidianVirus
@ObsidianVirus Месяц назад
I agree with this, my only grip with the video. Like Cover talents have around a 40/60 when it comes to merch in comparison to Nijis 2%. That is a big jump
@crazy4starwars12
@crazy4starwars12 Месяц назад
This was my only real concern about this video, speculating on how "bad" the contracts the hololive talents are subjected to is nonsensical. Basing it on traditional/normalized Japanese bureaucracy is baseless, simple as that. Attributing normal Japanese business acumen to Cover isn't based on anything other than equating Japanese company=Japanese Traditions. Cover itself is pretty far from the norm in comparison to any other idol company/talent agency/ or any other business, so we can not assume that its contractual obligations are similar to those predetermined norms. The only possible critique about Cover on the business side of things would be talking about Vesper and Magni, but even then we do not know the full story or if it even was a contractual disagreement, as the true facts of that matter are hidden.
@rowanmales3430
@rowanmales3430 Месяц назад
@@crazy4starwars12 Well, if anything, we know it wasn't really a "hololive contract specific" problem. Both of them found "company culture" very difficult to operate in, but for non-hololive specific reasons. Magni is very creatively "out there" with his content and felt a bit stifled, but that would probably have been the case for a majority of Vtuber companies. Vesper had, well, maybe its a little harsh to call them "anger issues" but he had real trouble respecting authority. We know he got an official suspension for a week or two simply because he was ignoring and had a disrespectful attitude towards his managers. Now, it can be argued that this was "made worse" by Japanese management which as a culture cares a lot more about proper respect, but again it's not really holo-specific.
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
There is no reason to believe holo contracts are bad, there's literally 0 evidence for it. Meanwhile their revenue share numbers makes the complete opposite case.
@crazy4starwars12
@crazy4starwars12 Месяц назад
@@rowanmales3430 agree wholeheartedly amigo, very well said
@Abysswea
@Abysswea Месяц назад
from time to time we still listen the member's struggles either from HL or from outside sources, but it seems the company does their best to take care of part of it. That time when Aqua had to go to the doctor but was too afraind until her manager had to "drag" her and make company. For example.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
When mumei went to japan and was to afraid to ask for food to the point that she through she was going to starve and her manager had to go and buy her groceries and even help her cook Kiara going out with her manager to a cafe during her vacation Calli saying how her manager keeps count of how many hours they stream and tell them to take a break if they stream for too many hours in a week Etc, etc, the girls have a lot of this stories
@Abysswea
@Abysswea 24 дня назад
@@carso1500 Stars side also has plenty of interaction with the managers, too~
@eruantien9932
@eruantien9932 Месяц назад
Yup, every time Cover has misstepped, they've made changes. Case in point, Korone's disastrous but rescued debut leading Cover to massively change their onboarding process.
@Oswald-hb2mj
@Oswald-hb2mj Месяц назад
It's like Valve with Steam. Win by simply providing a stable platform and do it well, while all other competitors that attempt to dethones it eventually make numerous blunders and inevitable die.
@anthonyrousseau8050
@anthonyrousseau8050 29 дней назад
Valve is privately owned; the fact they don't have shareholders breathing down their necks while Steam gives them a constant flow of profits means they're not beholden to anything except giving its userbase the best and most functional experience. What I'm worried about is what happens if Newell dies. I really, really hope he's designated a responsible successor in his last will; Someone with as much integrity and refusal to sell out to anybody.
@Avenaur
@Avenaur Месяц назад
I'll be honest, if the contracts in hololive were so bad, why would so many talents stick around for so long? Some are celebrating their 6 year anniversary now, that's actually insane in entertainment. I think their merch cut is pretty good and if they create their own merch for events they keep all of it for example. I just don't think the split is nearly as bad, hence why you see the vtuber costs for hololive are wayyyy higher than for example nijisanji.
@jack90054
@jack90054 Месяц назад
Sora, the OG of them all, is quite literally from the first gen of Vtubers (she debuted before the like of Kaguya Luna and Mirai Akari. Everyone else from that era has either moved on or just barely hanging on
@nickthenuker7916
@nickthenuker7916 Месяц назад
@@jack90054iirc it can be counted on one hand how many Vtubers are more senior than her (Kizuna Ai, Ironmouse and a couple of the old "4 Heavenly Kings") and out of those only a couple are even still around in vtubing, and of those even fewer are still vtubing as the character they debuted as all those years ago
@velveteensallet949
@velveteensallet949 Месяц назад
@@nickthenuker7916Only Ai, Siro and Ironmouse. Sora's been around longer than three of the Four Heavenly Kings.
@xenon_jv
@xenon_jv Месяц назад
@@velveteensallet949 I think Suisei is older than Sora, but not by much, and even if she isn't she's still among the first wave of Vtubers.
@velveteensallet949
@velveteensallet949 Месяц назад
​@@xenon_jv Sora debuted in September 2017 while Suisei started in March 2018.
@f1r3hunt3rz5
@f1r3hunt3rz5 Месяц назад
Hololive secret: It's how they quickly learn from their mistakes and adapt to solve the problem. Case in point; during the last Fes, there is a popular post on Reddit complaining about having to queue for a long time to get the pre-booked food and not getting it the first day. Literally the next day, the issue was solved and the same poster made another post about how they got their food within a way shorter amount of time. So, it's literally Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.
@illiiilli24601
@illiiilli24601 Месяц назад
Yeah, the video mentioned this, but it is a good example
@Bam_Bizzler
@Bam_Bizzler Месяц назад
Yaggo really does have the most 50 year old asian man face i can fathom. Also hes best girl
@MisterUmbra2kXx
@MisterUmbra2kXx Месяц назад
*DID YOU JUST ASSUME YAGOO'S OWN SEXUAL GENDER WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL PROOF AT ALL???!!!!!*
@Vergil.bin.Sparda
@Vergil.bin.Sparda Месяц назад
@@MisterUmbra2kXx every Holo fans always says Yagoo is the best girl, it's already a meme at this point, you didn't know that or are you new to Hololive???
@AuthorQuinnkey
@AuthorQuinnkey Месяц назад
​@@Vergil.bin.Sparda even me doesn't understand the joke at first but still make me laugh (I thought he's gay or some sort)... I just understand now that's a meme when I read your reply comment.. 😂😂😂
@gillettedave
@gillettedave Месяц назад
@@AuthorQuinnkey Its a meme because in order to stop the fighting that happens with fans about which of the talent is best girl, like in anime, we all agree that Yagoo is best girl which stop us from fighting about who is best girl in Hololive
@raizors1331
@raizors1331 Месяц назад
​@@gillettedave "Who's the best girl in Hololive?" "YAGOO" "Them who's the second best girl behind YAGOO?" "We don't talk about that."
@MoonKin309
@MoonKin309 Месяц назад
I have a smug grin when looking at those old dent-head questions from shareholders "Take Anycolor as reference," That yacht is sinking boy "Sink The Yacht!" that 2% still piss me off.
@zeroanimation3956
@zeroanimation3956 Месяц назад
and they had the gal to tell Yagoo to open a branch in China, these shareholders didn't do their homework before the interview.
@matasa7463
@matasa7463 Месяц назад
@@zeroanimation3956 they just want fast money, they don’t care about risk or vision for the future. Yagoo knows that and is just trying to keep them quiet.
@nurzaim6365
@nurzaim6365 Месяц назад
​@zeroanimation3956 hell they wanted the IP of Coco and Rushia to be resurrected. THAT'S a very bad idea from past scenarios.
@MoonKin309
@MoonKin309 Месяц назад
@@nurzaim6365 That would be worst idea that literally piss off the fans. The character is just that nothing else. It person and the personality that attract people. Rushia was we know, but her personality was interesting to watch. I imagine their fans wanted her play with her old gen mates like old days. This isn't anime where show is the big thing, it the person being themselves as the the vtuber model.
@edpaolosalting9116
@edpaolosalting9116 Месяц назад
Oh boy, now I understand the JP bro's saying when she has been terminated: She has now been unleashed. With her rep right now.... Bad idea.
@DisixWolf
@DisixWolf Месяц назад
With how loud the world is, I take a lot of comfort in the fact that Holo is such a safe space to exist in. It’s a peaceful bubble filled with positivity, community and passion that is really easy to take refuge in when your brain (or the world) is riding through a storm. It’s like a constant anchor of mentally healthy content
@wardenm
@wardenm 23 дня назад
Vshojo runs like a worker's union. Hololive runs like a traditional talent agency. Nijisanji runs like a black company.
@idrea7506
@idrea7506 28 дней назад
The thing that cemented Hololive as THE premium vtuber agency in my mind was the handling of Chinese antis. It was a struggle and pulling out of that market was a bad financial decision but an immensely positive influence on the mental health of the talents. I will gladly support any company that prioritizes the wellbeing of its talents.
@MikaHolic_Channel_OFFICIAL
@MikaHolic_Channel_OFFICIAL Месяц назад
the quote "Hololive Grows Stronger" isn't just a meme: its the actual status of the agency as a whole.
@cn8299
@cn8299 Месяц назад
I don't know how much better you can get than Hololive. The talents already have many revenue streams if they are talented and hungry enough to pursue them. Getting into hololive is basically winning a golden lottery ticket. Many of these streamers that join hololive are almost nobodies or were struggling indies. Look at Advent who were basically all struggling before hand in some ways and now they get paid tens of thousands of dollars per month in pretty much either just superchats and RU-vid Memberships. Then you have ad revenue sharing, merch, sponsorships I honestly don't know what more you can wish for them..
@cvrlo_
@cvrlo_ Месяц назад
I know you didn't mean it this way but I would like to note that although, it is like winning a ticket, I don't want that to undermine the respective talents value even before joining hololive. All of the girls in Hololive deserve to be their because they've put a lot of effort in content creation and they've shown in their PL what they can offer as one of their talents. They've worked very hard and I don't like aligning that aspect to only being lucky. They worked harder, pushed themselves, and auditioned multiple times. They 10000000% deserved their spot. I hope this did not come aggressive towards you, I just wanted to emphasize the talents' hardwork.
@thatrandomdude9974
@thatrandomdude9974 Месяц назад
I feel like it is much less of a golden ticket and rather more of a diamond in the rough situation. They get enough applications to choose the best of the best and have no reason to pick up someone at random. What I think is that they choose those who have the seeds of being successful and give them an initial larger audience exposure. In the end it's more of a situation in which they give you a moment in the spotlight (through a debut stream with the brand of Hololive) but its on you to captivate the audience.
@soasertsus
@soasertsus Месяц назад
Plus, I actually don't mind the revenue split at all because we can see that money getting used, in real time, to invest back into the company and talents and it's clearly going to good use instead of yachts and shareholder's pockets. It actually feels pretty fair considering how much they get back from being in hololive, stuff like 5th fes wouldn't be possible with the vshojo business model.
@tehpyono2203
@tehpyono2203 Месяц назад
​@@soasertsus Definitely true. If I already earn more than enough to live however I want, I would definitely give some of the income that I would be getting to the company if I know that it will heavily benefit me, like getting an insane studio to do stuff with or hosting the fes.
@cn8299
@cn8299 Месяц назад
@@tehpyono2203 I don't know how it works in hololive and how they do things but if I were one of the more senior members who have already amassed a ton of money ($ 1million+) like Marine, Pekora, Miko, etc. etc. I'd renegotiate my contract so that I get paid less or waive my monthly paycheck in exchange for stock. That way it benefits everyone, I'd already have more than enough money to live very comfortable for years without worry and the company can save money paying me in exchange for stock that would encourage me to help make the company better therefore making the stock value rise so that when I do retire, I'd have far more net worth than I would have if I were just paid normally.
@MyNameCiro
@MyNameCiro Месяц назад
Well. The Best is not Perfect. But the best is the best.
@MutatedAmerican
@MutatedAmerican Месяц назад
Personally, after learning about the Coco Kiryu and HoloLiveCN, and how they LITERALLY ended the branch as a result of it, that's when my opinion began to shift in a more positive note
@edwardvilla3228
@edwardvilla3228 Месяц назад
More like cn Imploded
@wholesomeprofilepicture585
@wholesomeprofilepicture585 Месяц назад
@@edwardvilla3228 They didn't really do anything tho it was mainly the chinese anties not the cn branch tho I think one of them did shit on coco
@ericp631
@ericp631 Месяц назад
​​@@wholesomeprofilepicture585 umm no. All of them except for spade were heavily involved in it, something they cop to
@wholesomeprofilepicture585
@wholesomeprofilepicture585 Месяц назад
@@ericp631 huh I didn't know that I thought it was only the one loli vtuber cn member
@ericp631
@ericp631 Месяц назад
@@wholesomeprofilepicture585 you mean artia, she was the leader and most fanatical. But nope almost all the Chinese members went along, though civia was coerced into it by the others, and of course the Taiwanese members weren't involved
@xEricGNx
@xEricGNx Месяц назад
While many people are focus on the rivalry of Hololive and Nijisanji. I would like to point out that the shenanigans of Nijisanji has made Phase Connect on the trend for weeks now. It's probably something about Niji fans were looking elsewhere to find a replacement and that's when they found Phase Connect. This month, Phase Connect's viewership has risen to more than 200%. I'm truly happy for them because they have tons of very great talents that it's my first time having a struggle of picking my oshi in that company. In Sakana, I trust!
@zerospectator4119
@zerospectator4119 Месяц назад
Wasn't the nijifanbase unstable? Or only the male fans?
@visgoth8910
@visgoth8910 Месяц назад
Let's go asylum=)) 😊
@HXIIIAEGIS
@HXIIIAEGIS Месяц назад
I bet most of nijiEN casual fans were turned off by idol-esque and unicorn-filled Hololive stuff and thus was looking at another better alternative and found Phase Connect,which,imo,way WAY more unhinged than NijiEN(look at Pippa and how most people viewed her pandering to far right(lol) due to her 'anti-government' shenanigans and how based she was when she showed a middle finger to those Pikamee harassers by streaming Hogwarts Legacy eventhough she hate Harry Potter franchise.) my oshi are Jelly,Tenma and Airi in EN while JP was Yuu and Nasa. Tenma was my gateway to Phase Connect,her chat banter is legendary.
@edpaolosalting9116
@edpaolosalting9116 Месяц назад
@HXIIIAEGIS I am big Hololive enjoyer but I like Phase Connect as well since they look like they respect each other and Sakana understands that this Vtuber entertainment industry is still in its infancy. Phase has big potential since they offer something different in the sphere and Niji is crumbling. Now, if they can successfully monetize that niche and get a good business model, that could be their next step-up and help the talents find more avenues for revenue. (Like Pippa getting partnered with a soda company for example.... Etc. or Lumi having her own brand of perfume scents from a perfume company, etc.)
@faerie7dragon
@faerie7dragon 28 дней назад
​@@HXIIIAEGISJelly, Tenma and Airi? How can one person be this based? 😮
@Sleazy_Pete_Ch
@Sleazy_Pete_Ch Месяц назад
that whole end statement about knowing your worth was very well said. good vid as usual!
@kairokuys6991
@kairokuys6991 Месяц назад
During the Coco fiasco, people were getting mad at Hololive for basically suspending Coco and Haato for a while. But, Fubuki defended Hololive and even said that if the company is really that bad and scummy, she would be the first to leave. I think that says a lot about Cover in the way they try to deal with internal and external problems, because it's very unusual for people to come to the defense of a company.
@brandonhowell5096
@brandonhowell5096 28 дней назад
As much as I respect your value in the words of Fabuki never and I mean NEVER take what talents say at face value you never know what that persons tolerance for things like "being a bad company" are.
@vexile1239
@vexile1239 Месяц назад
Hololive seems to take risks that are a bit painful in the short-term but receive massive payouts in the long-term
@trstmeimadctr
@trstmeimadctr Месяц назад
The thing hololive does better than other agencies is basically just not constantly running their mouths off at every opportunity about every tiny controversy and only speaking when it really matters and speaking like a company and not a 14 year-old on twitter, like a lot of other agencies
@WPharolin
@WPharolin Месяц назад
A-Chan being both a manager and a vtuber means that she's uniquely positioned to understand and appreciate the talents and the work that goes on behind the scenes. She has the ears of both the talents and the higher ups. I'm not saying she's the sole reason for Hololive doing reasonably well when compared to the competition, but I do think she's a factor that can't go understated.
@35PHaaton
@35PHaaton Месяц назад
Hololive's standard today in their practices is basically the root of hololive. Sora, achan, Yagoo, Roboco, and Miko. Yagoo really got lucky having those girls because of how humble and generous they are. Even in the beginning, as Miko and Sora have told, Yagoo was there for them in those very tough times and cried with them. I feel like those early days really taught Yagoo that his girls and boys are family to him. Just look at how Coco, Haato, Miko, Towa, and Marine handled themselves during their scandals. They turned the other cheek and that says a lot about the talent that Yagoo has.
@gigitrix
@gigitrix Месяц назад
Hololive understands their role better than other agencies because they genuinely understand that their role is to build The Brand above all else. That's what makes it worth having talents sign up and give up independence and revenue, that's what makes shareholders happy when you turn them into marketable plushies across every corner of the globe - streaming activities are the jumping off point and the place where the brand is built from, so the talents putting in the work are The most important thing
@potatovine
@potatovine 29 дней назад
They also understand that the "Brand" is mostly the talents not the company. People are here because of the vtubers and seldom because of the company behind them. ( Ironically Hololive itself is the exception to the rule as a lot of the initial success of newer gens are because of peoples recognition of Cover's competence)
@topnep5599
@topnep5599 Месяц назад
Hololive still gives me the suspension of disbelief I want from a "reality escape"-medium. I never even bothered to look into other agencies, as I never felt the need for that. It's a place I can call a virtual home, always there and caring for the fans. The only thing I'm salty about is the Ves/Dez thing tho. And Rushia back then, but not anymore.
@NepFan485
@NepFan485 Месяц назад
Hey we have the same profile picture lol. A fellow Nep fan nice.
@user-vo1rt8hf6y
@user-vo1rt8hf6y Месяц назад
Rushia cuckolded all of us by living with a dude Not much to be salty about she's always had it coming
@NepFan485
@NepFan485 Месяц назад
Well almost the same profile picture.
@lildyo
@lildyo Месяц назад
Coco leaving made me sad, Rushia getting fired was shocking but a bit unsurprising, but Magni/Vesper leaving was really disappointing. I understand why they did, but I feel like it hasn’t been the same since. They left just as Holostars EN was starting to gain a lot of traction among EN fans and I don’t think it ever really recovered since then. It feels like there have been very few collabs between Hololive EN and Holostars EN ever since
@Juaneco-ni4sh
@Juaneco-ni4sh Месяц назад
@@lildyo Sadly that was a thing caused by omega/nijisisters. There is nothing that can be done about that
@Saelestria-jd3uq
@Saelestria-jd3uq Месяц назад
you know Cover Corp is doing things right when the camera pans to the crowd in HoloExpo and they are PARTYING
@Fake_Dude
@Fake_Dude Месяц назад
Overall, this is a good video, but despite the excellent attempts to be fair and balanced, DN's own views start creeping in hard towards the end, and it's kind of jarring to see. It switches to criticizing the same things that were just praised. A lot of the negatives are just speculating that because the _general_ industry trend is something, that must also apply to Hololive... despite just spending ten minutes talking about how Hololive is different from the general industry trend by having a higher staff ratio or investing a ton in the mo-cap studio. All the cautionary warnings boil down to "Holo is _potentially_ doing bad stuff, because they're a Japanese corporation, and both of those things are bad". The problem to DN is that they're... Japanese? That they're a Business? It's pretty impossible to 'fix' either of those things. It's an unforgiveable original sin. The worst is probably the speculation that because there is some drama, there must be more behind the scenes, and it must be bad, and that's only a little bit from DN - but sadly _FAR_ more in these comments. Yes, such things are always possible. But what actual indications are there? Especially when they have a very, very good retention rate for their talents. Yet there's a couple comments in this video talking about how Hololive staff are probably forcing some talents to do sexual favors, just because 'well, the Idol industry is known for that in Japan.' Another big problem is inconsistency. DN praised Holo talents for not be controversial, making them 'safe and warm', but then said that Holo needs to generically do better about giving it's talents more freedom to go into controversial areas. Especially the critique is as general as "do better in this area", without specifying. Is it 'better' to be looser or stricter on content restrictions? IDK, just 'better'.
@secondsein7749
@secondsein7749 Месяц назад
Pretty much. While I understand the need to be wary, but at the end of the day, you still need to recognize exceptions and accept them so that they can be the rule in the future. DN's anti-corpo is too strong that he can't do this. As such nothing would ever be good enough for him as long as it comes from corpo. Heck, you can bet that if other smaller company that, to DN's eyes, isn't corpo have the same success as Cover, he'd have no negatives to give. At the end of the day, his bias still shows and made him fail to realize that the "pure" freedom that he wishes for isn't going to be as he thought it would be. That the pure freedom is what keeping other companies down. We have Niji with their talents having "pure" freedom with their speech and look what happens. Or other companies where the talents do whatever they want that it makes them look like adult material company and therefore making them a business risk. He'd never admit to this though because he never have to work in an environment whose business depends on the brand image and controlled freedom that comes with managing that image.
@patx35
@patx35 Месяц назад
One thing I like about Hololive is that they are the very few companies that personifies their management. Yes, the CEO is a rockstar, and also the public figure head, but it's rare to see talents talk about management as a person. Most notable are A-Chan and Nodoka, but it's interesting to see talents talk about middle management, such as JChad, Jenma, and Henmama. Omega was supposed to be the EN A-chan, but it made sense to cancel the project since the current model works so well.
@RambleOn07
@RambleOn07 Месяц назад
The Magni and Vesper situation looks like it was just a contract dispute. As far as i can see.
@VolticWind
@VolticWind Месяц назад
Yeah, Holostars EN would have to have been in contact negotiations with them coming up on their anniversary at the time. New talents are expected to be in the company for a minimum of a year.
@anshorikhoiril3387
@anshorikhoiril3387 Месяц назад
And what kinda Contract dispute is that ? Are cover Contract was such bad or other reason was the question is
@healthylifestyle.8012
@healthylifestyle.8012 Месяц назад
From what i heard from some fans, they leave on their own and dont want a graduation stream. They continue their vtuber career after that and are fine
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
Magni probably just figured he'd be more successful as his old persona, Vesper just wasn't cut for hololive, remember when he got suspended for misbehaving with the staff? He probably just realized he'd be better off as an indie
@corbeaudejugement
@corbeaudejugement 29 дней назад
​​​@@anshorikhoiril3387 magni's PL is _much_ larger than his holostars acct. it's probably just that it made more sense for him to keep being a goofy meme professor- prob makes more money that way. vesper didn't mesh well with corporate hierarchy, and was a successful indie then and now. it doesn't seem like it was anything malicious on anyone's part. hakka met magni in japan recently, for example, and talked about it on stream.
@theodorevelasco5539
@theodorevelasco5539 Месяц назад
As much as the magni vesper situation upset me I appreciate how hololive didnt foster any malice against them it makes a much healthier space for everyone
@yamchayaku
@yamchayaku Месяц назад
YAGOO is the Gabe Newell of Vtubing, lol
@debunkeduser1461
@debunkeduser1461 Месяц назад
Last time I was this early, everything was still in lockdown
@InquisitorBoomBoom
@InquisitorBoomBoom Месяц назад
oh shit that was 4 years ago, mother fucking damn.
@Gilsao157
@Gilsao157 Месяц назад
The trick is Hololive makes you happy to give away your money. As long as Hololive prioritizes the fans and treat the talents well the fans will also prioritize Hololive
@Tharja-iBW
@Tharja-iBW Месяц назад
It feels good to see a positive video after the past couple months. Like I love myself a good garbage fire, but this is welcome.
@baronsamedi5741
@baronsamedi5741 Месяц назад
Being a Hololive Fan doesn't mean being a fan of a talent from Cover Corp but being a fan of All of them. Cover Corp has built their success on a good name. The good name was a hard earned reputation by looking after their talents to the Best of their ability. Hololive has respect for their talents and treats them how they deserve. A good reputation is Way better than a quick Buck. Take notes Kurosanji
@shikyokira3065
@shikyokira3065 Месяц назад
10:32 minor correction, you should look at operating profit. Revenue is simply money collected, before any expenditure on commission, equipment and other operating costs. You can see cover has a doubly high personnel cost which suggests that they are paying their employees including the talents more than anycolor per head. Apart from that, the high office related and other costs suggest that they have invested quite a lot in good administration and expansion. In short, their profit maximization is future profit, not current profit which anycolor is targeting. This is very good structure for good long term growth of the company, something most founders aim to achieve.
@dumpsockpuppet5619
@dumpsockpuppet5619 26 дней назад
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." - God, Futurama
@Aryan_homophobe
@Aryan_homophobe Месяц назад
What honestly amazes me about Hololive is that you can take any two members who never ever interacted with each other before, put them in one stream and they will be as nice and friendly as it could be without feeling fake and leave the stream at least as good acquaintances. While when I watched Niji collabs even with the people who are supposed to be 'friends' it is like they took a bunch of randos 20+yo from the streets and told them to be funny. So much awkwardness and cringe. Kiara had better chemistry with Pomu than 80% of NijiEn.
@niconojuegos
@niconojuegos Месяц назад
Personally I loved Kiara’s final talk with Pomu in that stream before Pomu’s graduation. They are so sweet and funny together their chemistry is great
@MATTierial
@MATTierial Месяц назад
Hololive has realized that "Good PR" leads to "getting as much money as they can." And the thing that leads to "Good PR" is treating their talents well. This is an alien concept for companies like Nijisanji.
@KeebeThePlush
@KeebeThePlush Месяц назад
Cool that cover corp chooses quality over quantity for its business
@brandonhowell5096
@brandonhowell5096 28 дней назад
"quality" like Rushia, Hitomi Chris, and HoloCN beg to differ and that's not even touching on Mel and her "misunderstanding"
@SenseofNoneYT
@SenseofNoneYT Месяц назад
Honestly, the fact that they're entertainment-focused and the fact that they keep it as clean as possible is why I stick around Hololive the most. I understand that some viewers like more unhinged/unfiltered content but it's not my thing. Some Hololive members are unhinged anyway and I personally like it in smaller doses generally. It's funnier to me when some members have to beat around the bush while some are just really out there. Plus, I just love watching them grow as performers. I have an affinity to music and art, and those are abundant in Hololive. Different types of top-notch music from like, Suisei, Calli, Towa, Kanata, or mind-blowing live performances from ID or Aki's theatrical Live3D's; Amelia's journey to being able to sing better; Choco's growth leaning more into dancing and her sex appeal as a performer; AZKi getting into Hololive and starting content-creation. There's just so much I can root for, and Hololive Production is simply the platform they're doing it on. With decisions good and bad, I can at least feel a little relieved that the CEO of Cover has a heart.
@FantasiA2K
@FantasiA2K Месяц назад
I wouldn't even say that the "problems" specific to Hololive are even a problem, just a preference. The talents know that they are signing up for the most corporate of vtuber corpos, and that's what they want. They give the talents access to top of the industry infrastructure, capital, equipment, networking, collaborations, brand recognition and access to the huge community that comes with it, job security, advertising, management, legal protection, good work culture (at least from an outside perspective). And the price is a cut of your RU-vid money and some creative freedom (boo hoo, no distasteful jokes or borderline porn)? I'll take that deal. Sure sometimes projects get delayed by the corporate bureaucracy, but some of the huge projects that corpo vtubers are able to do simply aren't feasible to even attempt in the first place without the backing of a corpo. Of course there is always room for improvement, and Hololive should continue to learn from the inevitable mistakes, which they are so good at doing. But I think every other agency should try to mimic Hololive as they carry the entire industry forward on it's back.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
Yeah simply speaking the resources that being in hololive gives you cannot be rivaled by any other corpo, not even by thwir direct competitors like nijisanji or vshoji since for once nijisanji is extremly elitist you only get access to their resources if you are popular enough and vshojo doesnt allow anyone in the company In hololive even relatively middle of the road talents like watame can get her own concert and even the holostars have their own version of fes
@Dragonskincollector
@Dragonskincollector Месяц назад
There is absolutely favouritism going on in Holo, hear me out: . . Case 1, A piece of fried chicken get to use the billion studio and 3D debut before EN3 and ReGloss, obviously karaage is their favourite food. Case 2, from an recent stream we learnt that if you buy Fauna's M.I.L.F. hat you automatically became her favourite sapling.
@UltraZulwarn
@UltraZulwarn 29 дней назад
OHH NOOO the HORROR has Mio ever done a handcam cooking stream before?
@acceltoine
@acceltoine Месяц назад
Prefacing with the idea that I strongly disagree with the speculation of X contract being anywhere near the league of Y contract given what we know in specifics through IR statements, financial balances and talent accounts. Another reason key to their success I find underappreciated by people not that familiar about HR and business management. Is the organizational culture itself. Hololive talents are expected to hold a certain set of values and behaviors that other vtubers and agencies don't when they present themselves to an audience. They adhere to principles to avoid polarization and controversy but also to show that they have a certain degree of decorum and genre-savyness their competition doesn't. The concept of idol units greatly benefits cohesive integration into the company by making the transition easier with synergic personalities in the same footing as coworkers, units that are expected to complement one another and work together towards collective goals unlike other agencies where generations are usually a mere aesthetic or marketing choice to push as much as possible talent into the market at once. The encouragement for community engagement is not just plastered as an ideal to strive for in the benefit of content creation but also a main feature of the way they sell their product. No segregation between fanbases, no barriers of allegiance or grounds for miscommunication and overtly biased treatment. Despite every talent having their own niche of appeal and a loyal fanbase, the sense and bond of community is present everywhere in terms of cross-references, spaces and interaction with the product. Hololive wants and actively cultivates an ecosystem of entertainment that can keep the engagement, they treat the family ideal of the girls and the boys groups as a mirror where the audience can reflect themselves as well. Even 3D Debuts and yearly events become rites of passage and rituals unlike the competition which just treats them as scheduled events to increase profits, it has that human and intangible narrative component to it that makes everyone involved in the bussines whether costumer or staff, feel part of something greater. Hofstede's theory about organizational dimensions comes to mind when discussing things like talent power and distance between them and superiors such as Yagoo himself or the long term orientation of the org in its growth and sustainability plans. Not to mention, they refuse to turn their departed members into a taboo topic or hold any actual grudges with them. You can feel that mutual respect and openess when people keep discussing them, They don't need to claim to be a family because they organically built a relationship akin to one.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
Your mentions about how holo doesnt have the need to claim how they are a family reminded me of that one time when all nijiEN talents almost at the same time wrote on thwir twitter how much they love nijisanji and how they feel like a family, it felt soo forced and artificial almost like a scheduled tweet or a scene from those movies about cults when the members of the cult say how they are a family in a monotonous voice Its pretty impresive to see the diferences
@philtkaswahl2124
@philtkaswahl2124 24 дня назад
A superstitious part of me sometimes feels like everything leading up to all this was some kind of karmic retribution for the sheer amount of shit Cover used to take from some of the more competitive Niji fans, even beyond that warranted by Cover's actual fuckups. I used to remember so much stuff about how Niji talents are less "fake" because the males and females freely mix and about how Holo was supposedly too "idol agency" and thus Niji treated its talents better. And now here we are, Niji's name besmirched by idol agency type behind-the-scenes bullshit, its talents shown to be treated like garbage, and the whole "we're one big happy Niji family" thing show to be the actual fake.
@farisanwanaputra6290
@farisanwanaputra6290 23 дня назад
That is why 'professionalism' always matters. Rule-based work seems restrict freedom at first but it offers you safeguard from any backlash and drama. Internal problems is common thing in workplace as long as management can control it. Do not believe anything that promised you to have a 'big family' & warmth environment because most of them are fake.
@justpazzingby13
@justpazzingby13 Месяц назад
Those shareholder questions sound so cartoonish.. You do not chase revenue. You chase what brings you revenue.
@UltraZulwarn
@UltraZulwarn 29 дней назад
yes, but unfortunately that's how most investors who look for short-term profits are. to add a bit more context, IIRC it was a question asked during Q&A in a investor call, the guy was (allegedly) looking at high operation cost and "low" profit margin and he questioned Cover why, while also quoting "industry standard" ala Anycolor/Nijisanji (LMAO) i.e. "why do you guys pay so much to the talents, just look at Niji". then YAGOO basically answered something along the line "We pay what they talents are worth", no nonsense or beating around the bush.
@brandonhowell5096
@brandonhowell5096 28 дней назад
​@@UltraZulwarnThe only issue with the "High operation cost and low profit margin" which Yagoo made his statement about is that in the long run there will come a time when a financial ceiling is reached (honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't hit in the next few years): no new talents will be added, talents burning themselves out more so then they already are due to projects, and less "big" budget stuff to be shared among them. While overall Nijisanji's way isn't the 100% answer being closer to it for the greater company is way more financially stable then the current operations.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
​@@brandonhowell5096only if they do reach a profit ceiling, so far they are still growing and while they could easily reach the ceiling of the vtubing industry cover corp doesnt want to be only a vtuber company
@cikame
@cikame Месяц назад
They've made good decisions especially with hiring because the talents are (mostly) the face of the company, and it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. We have had drama in Holo, Rushia's the obvious one, but that ended up having about as much impact as the Mano Aloe situation and we just carried on, Coco left on great terms, Mel was a sad situation people couldn't wrap their heads around but ended up being clear and understandable, they've been very lucky that non of these people seemed to want to inflict any damage on the company, either there's too much respect or somehow there really are no shocking behind the scenes tales to tell. I don't know why Dez or Vesper left but nothing came of that either, this is where i get replies telling me stuff i don't know :P, they've had an incredible run, just imagine if they hired those Niji talents who auditioned.
@kairokuys6991
@kairokuys6991 Месяц назад
I think Dez and Vesper's case was more of a difference in vision, so they thought it would be better to just part ways. If I'm not mistaken, Cover gave them an opportunity to have a graduation stream, but both guys refused it instead.
@pedrofelipefreitas2666
@pedrofelipefreitas2666 Месяц назад
9:04 YAGOD IS TOO BASED
@zierlyn
@zierlyn Месяц назад
Holy shit, that analogy bro. Hahaha
@clouddrifter2265
@clouddrifter2265 Месяц назад
Yagoo the GOAT
@ThePrastomo
@ThePrastomo Месяц назад
He has a dream, to receive Nobel peace prize. How do we vote nobel peace nomination?
@MisterUmbra2kXx
@MisterUmbra2kXx Месяц назад
YAGOO is the best boss. YAGOO,...Is,...."THE MAN"!!!!!! *_"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"_* (-"The Nature Boy",Ric Flair.)
@brizjoasbriz7982
@brizjoasbriz7982 28 дней назад
Yagoo having a good history about businesses and tech companies proves that he actually knows how this goes and its actually funny how a random girl borrowing something to making the company have the idea of idol vtubers
@standard-carrier-wo-chan
@standard-carrier-wo-chan Месяц назад
The more you do things right, the less you seem like doing anything. Hololive is the Valve of VTubing scene. I feel like the true marker of success is when even the fanbase glorifies the CEO themselves. Like, getting people to quote-unquote "worship" a multi-millionaire can only be done if people actually thinks they earn their praise, and Yagoo really does earn our praise.
@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera
@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera Месяц назад
9:00 Those investors simply do NOT understand WHAT they have invested in. Yagoo does. He understands because he experienced it first hand every step of the way.
@simplycookie3315
@simplycookie3315 Месяц назад
I somewhat disagree with hololives contract being only slightly better than niji, For one, hololive talents have a pretty good salary that doesn't count merch and superchats, further proof is that stockholders said they wanted talent salary to be WAY smaller suggesting it's pretty high salary to the point some of the talents considers this job as a hobby, Two, flexibility is in terms of company owned IP is strict however they allow you to use your own personal not related to the company IP to be more flexible outside hololive, altare and Axel can't colab with dokibird as Altare and Axel but can as their personal Vtubers, Three, they are given personal managers instead of one manager for five telents like niji. The notion Japanise contracts are inheritly bad doesn't give room for improvement, if any Japanese company is Automatically labelled one with a bad contract how can you find the ones that are good? Transparency is a luxury, not a standard, and what if they lied? Is it really transparent? If they have a bad contract and they release to the world a good contract, they be labelled a good contract company until eventually someone rats them out and they'll tumble greatly, now what about a company that keeps secrets and privacy on their contract? Are they automatically bad because they reside in a country with rampant bad cobtracts? Maybe, but if you labelled them that while they actually have a good contract, you don't give them a chance to grow, a chance to show themselves, how will a good company flourish if they are labelled bad by everyone Keeping secrets is better than telling lies
@klonrymeryme5293
@klonrymeryme5293 27 дней назад
Nijisanji and Hololive is like that Kingdom from Stronghold crusader where one with fear factor that is all about quantity over quality which mean more strich punishment and minimum support, make one mistake off to the punishment/execution chamber while the other give more support but at a cost of slow production rate but the people in are happy and become more experience.
@dadulk6657
@dadulk6657 Месяц назад
I knew this is coming, did not expect it to be this soon
@user-ii5xz2il3c
@user-ii5xz2il3c 29 дней назад
I'm not a huge vtuber fan, and only got to this video because I sometimes watch Pekora and Mikochi. The creator makes a good point about the 'Japanese' way of treating talents. It reminds me of the way comedians/talents are treated in the Japanese tv-scene. It is well known that starting comedians in Japan are expected to take loans from the company they work for 'to fulfill their dream'. Many Japanese comedians accept very harsh conditions to become 'viral', which gives them opportunities for more financially attractive jobs, such as starring in commercials, drama's or movies. As far as I can tell this is accepted by talents in the Japanese entertainment world. This way of thinking was also reflected in Mikochi's attitude, when she said she bought quite a bit of stuff for work out of her own pocket; she didn't mind as it brought in more streaming money. Her manager questioned that slightly (which speaks for the company), but it is indicative of attitude. That said, it seems to me that Hololive is doing a lot of things right. The way entertainers behave around their CEO makes me think that most are quite happy. So far my two cents.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
What you mention about miko doesnt sound like "accepting harsh conditions" it sounds to me more like investing into improving your resources She invested a lot of money to improve her rig, because its what she lives off, its like when a streamer buys a new expensive computer to be able to stream better games he is investing into his job The same way how Amelia build her own home 3D studio from her own pocket, that couldnt have been cheap but if she has the money to make the investment it ultimately is that, an investment
@LARAUJO_0
@LARAUJO_0 Месяц назад
10:22 I haven't seen this table before but it really says a lot. Anycolor reports a whopping 231 or 60% of their employees are businessmen, whereas 21% of Cover employees are agency managers (this comes out to 103, meaning they have 17 more managers than talents)
@Paul-bs5wl
@Paul-bs5wl Месяц назад
I don't accept the paradigm that 'tard wrangling and content standards are a bad thing, or even "necessary evil". They are just a good idea, they are the only way in which you prevent subversion or hijacking of your platform by ideologically addled psychos, because you have a firm platform for total non-engagement that leaves them no room to browbeat with "silence is complicity". Also it is not a negative that a space exists for content that isn't constantly degenerate. Nobody is stopping anyone else from producing that kind of content.
@BrahmaDBA
@BrahmaDBA Месяц назад
This is what it means by: "Living well is the best revenge" - George Herbert. Yagoo doesn't need to do anything to show that his company is better than Tanezaki's. He just simply does what he does best and good things will follow.
@a.k.2788
@a.k.2788 Месяц назад
10:23 don't forget that those 300s employers are temporary(part-time, season, intern) employees according to their q2 financial report vs holo who have like about 400s full-time employees in their financial report.
@squidwardart
@squidwardart Месяц назад
VSPO is 3rd biggest corpo and I don't remember any drama aside from that smurfing one years ago with cr guys, they have all the members still active, looking forward to what they gonna cook in their en branch
@DanielGonzalez-vo5ni
@DanielGonzalez-vo5ni Месяц назад
I really like VSPO mostly saw them in VCR collage like GTA and Ark Beni is probably my favorite
@squidwardart
@squidwardart Месяц назад
​@@DanielGonzalez-vo5nicrude laughing trio can do anything and it will be the funniest shit ever and uruha is the cutest vtuber, take it or leave it
@marioprawirosudiro7301
@marioprawirosudiro7301 Месяц назад
Tbh I don't really get why some people talk of Vshojo as if it's the 3rd biggest agency. VSPO exists, and not only do their members pull similar numbers as Vshojo's, they also have way more members. That, and AFAIK they've been around for longer, only a year or so after Niji.
@ericp631
@ericp631 Месяц назад
Look into their parent company, they have done shitty things in the past, but they seem to be a lot better now
@HudaefCares
@HudaefCares Месяц назад
​@@marioprawirosudiro7301 To put it simply: Most vtuber fans don't know about VSpo. The big names in Vshojo have been active for years, so _of course_ they're more wellknown. Meanwhile you'll only hear about VSpo if you watch FPS content. (I count VCR into that coz most of them met from FPS games no?)
@DakotaAP
@DakotaAP Месяц назад
Entertainment Escapism done well
@tedjomuljono3052
@tedjomuljono3052 Месяц назад
yagoo's favoritism is a common knowledge at this point what makes it different from Niji is he doesn't favor the cash cows or cliques, but simply the entire Holostars branch, because he wants it to thrive, as a personal project, even tho business wise it probably only made a small fraction compared to the female side of things and that's why almost nobody have a problem with that(aside from penis haver haters)
@brandonhowell5096
@brandonhowell5096 28 дней назад
I mean its pretty telling even if its Yagoo's passion project there's limits even him, as the CEO, can actually do for it because financially it bleeds money overall from the company. IF a vote happened among the board of directors happened about what will change in the company I can say pretty confidently say Stars would be on the chopping block first.
@xnonsense5171
@xnonsense5171 26 дней назад
@ ernoul
@NguyenCongHuan-hw1ej
@NguyenCongHuan-hw1ej 12 дней назад
@@brandonhowell5096 And you can know damn sure Yagoo will be the first one to protect his boys.
@toan.2764
@toan.2764 Месяц назад
literally valve's strategy
@McDudes
@McDudes Месяц назад
Hololive is winning by having the better public perception, opinion and relation to their fanbase (stuff like holo indie games). They also managed to find some extremely entertaining streamers to the point that 100s of clips are made by fans daily. Basically its thanks to the early generations appeal and reach that made them popular from the start and then they just continue to scale up (not like Niji with hiring more and more streamers) but instead by hosting more and better quality events, concerts and 3D streams is an obvious example. But also the collaborations with other brands, video games and artists. I believe that Hololive behind the scenes are the hardest working agency/v-tuber group out there. Seems like Yagoo has a grander plan with the Holoearth project and he strive to produce the most high quality content they can, which is why they spend all that money on the studio. Most other Vtuber agencies are fine with just being a small entertaining/streamer company but Hololive is expanding into becoming a full blown media company or IP company as they said in that investor document. Also in a few years (like maybe 5 or so) I don't think it will be even fair to compare other Vtuber agencies with Hololive anymore.
@Captain1nsaneo
@Captain1nsaneo Месяц назад
I just want to know what kind of black magic the holoEN branch uses to sort through and pick winners. Their consistent quality is nuts.
@secondsein7749
@secondsein7749 24 дня назад
That's because the good talents themselves go to Hololive and not other company. Thus, Hololive's work is half done. Most of the talents that want to join Hololive knows the essence of what makes Hololive works; teamwork and not running your mouth. Meanwhile, those that went other company, they went with the mentality of just wanting a bigger platform to do and say whatever they want.
@Sucction
@Sucction Месяц назад
ppl commenting on the title, but it's like nobody knows the meme. of fucking course they do a lot of things.
@mouseii88
@mouseii88 Месяц назад
What it should read is "...by doing nothing (stupid)", but that has oo much common sense and is not baiting enough, this people took out the word.
@Sucction
@Sucction Месяц назад
@@mouseii88 no, that wasn't my point. the phrase "hololive wins by doing nothing" is a thing from 4chan(if i remember correctly). and if people actually watch the video, then they'd see that it's just that - a meme title, since DN talks about cover doing completely opposite. it has nothing to do with bait(to me) and only amplified how funny it was.
@illiiilli24601
@illiiilli24601 Месяц назад
Luigi Wins By Doing Absolutely Nothing
@1-upanimations878
@1-upanimations878 29 дней назад
Hololive is a big looming influence on the industry, she has issues, but at the end of the day…she goes beyond what is needed to support her children, be a role model, and help others. Truly the Mother Company of VTubers.
@kaaa7947
@kaaa7947 Месяц назад
I seem to remember that in trash taste Joey saw mori`s contract and said that the contract is pretty good
@illiiilli24601
@illiiilli24601 Месяц назад
Has Joey worked in Japan before? Actually if he hadn't, that would still be evidence that it is good
@plstmb6000
@plstmb6000 Месяц назад
​@@illiiilli24601he lives in japan right? Big chance he worked in/for corpo at least once there.
@moonyamoonya997
@moonyamoonya997 29 дней назад
i hope that's not true because that would mean mori leaked private documents and she could be subject to termination
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
​​@@moonyamoonya997eh we don't know what sort of NDAs they have, maybe the contracts themselves arent really protected by NDAs or only some sensitive information We at least know that personal information and information about brand collaborations are definetly protected since rushia and mel got fired from leaking those
@secondsein7749
@secondsein7749 24 дня назад
​@@illiiilli24601he has. He mentioned he worked as translator for companies before.
@sompret
@sompret 28 дней назад
Hololive Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing... in the freeway, just driving at a normal pace, while watching the others crash and burn spectacularly, and Phase Connect is at the back, spinning like crazy but still on track
@Chillz_OG
@Chillz_OG Месяц назад
Honestly, I would venture to say despite all the praise you gave, you were still a bit too harsh on some things, which sounds silly I know lol. But honestly some of your criticisms hardly seem like faults at all. A more "restrictive" environment is hardly always a negative when the alternative can be the toxicity you can see in other vtubers, or when they have all the freedom in the world to make fools of themselves and those around them. Where you see a restrictive environment, I see a professional one, and that is often a positive for me. I also have to say that we have seen absolutely zero proof that hololive contracts are "only a little better" than niji's. I can understand skepticism, but come on man that seems quite absurd since all visible indicators even seem to stress the opposite.
@brandonhowell5096
@brandonhowell5096 28 дней назад
I understand the "restrictive" criticism pretty well as to me the hololive talents burn out way more often then other agencies and broadly speaking personally hololive streams have gotten way stale as of the last year or so because of how "restrictive" they are with what they can/cannot do. As for the contract we don't really know if its necessarily "better" when compared to the nijisanji one always assume its on the lower end of good then the higher end is my motto for contracts.
@carso1500
@carso1500 24 дня назад
​​@@brandonhowell5096i don't think they burn more often, they are just given more oportunities to rest when they start feeling tired while other companies that i'm not going to mention force them to keep streaming despite feeling the burn If they maybe feel more stress it's likely because of all the projects they are involved in, i have the feeling that hololive talents are always working on several things at any given time on top of their streaming carrers so they end up burning down because of all the work and oportunities (again, in contrast with other companies)
@akaDALTA
@akaDALTA Месяц назад
basically what holo does is "if it works, dont fuck it". They learned how to manage talents better since coco and haachama problem and it works till today
@damianellnoir9318
@damianellnoir9318 Месяц назад
Well Yagoo is also what keeps Hololive's brand image up other than comedians.
@BillyAoki
@BillyAoki Месяц назад
Yagoo just woke up one day and said WE'RE PROFESSIONALS WE HAVE STANDARDS
@skuld8985
@skuld8985 Месяц назад
I feel like Holo does a better job because they didn't start out trying to be an idol agency. The idol came to them and just asked for help and they kinda fell into it. So the starting mentality was to help rather then exploit as the Japanese idol scene does.
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