Ha! Going against the trend here. I just bought a pre-owned Panerai PAM0380 and love it!! I would have never thought I like Panerai but once it was on my wrist - I loved it. I think they see a bit of a resurgence nowawadays. And my ETA based movement looks lovely - well decorated and finished - though no display caseback. And the 380 has a screw in caseback and 100m WR \
Panerai is kind of like marmite either you love it or hate it, I'm in the former camp. I think they make some really iconic and gorgeous pieces. The whole thing about replica is overplayed for Panerai, there is a super replica for almost any watch these days. If people want a watch that can't be faked, the only option is to buy watches with uncommon complications that the fakers can't or can't be bothered to replicate.
@@lettuce1305 Fakes are going better from the outside but they cant meet high-quality movements like from Rolex or Omega and even fine details on the outside are not met fully. If you own a fake you could possibly want original Omega or Rolex just for the sake of fine craftsmanship, no doubt about that. However, Panerai here doesn't really meet expectations... Mechanical watches are about fine art. You could buy a cheap swatch and it will tell you a good time. You want to own something special. If the fake has the same movement, about the same quality build, why would you want to own the original?
@@hrvojelasic5794 yeah but you can't even see the movement in Rolex and also there are super clones of the rolex movement now. This whole replica issue is not only with Panerai, look up some videos on youtube, the super replicas of some Rolex are already almost indistinguishable from the genuine.
@@lettuce1305 Movements you mention are look-alike Rolex movements but are not equal to quality. They are coming dirty from the factory, lower quality standards, some crucial parts like balance wheels, they cant really copy. I agree with you there is good value for money but they are still not a real deal for Rolex or Omega (and some others). But in this particular case, I don't see value in buying Panerai. I am not seeing Panerai as a piece of high-end machinery. So I kind of agree with you, as for Panerai, I would probably prefer copy as even dealers can't see the difference. Just looks to be a money grab.
@@hrvojelasic5794 if you're so concerned with replicas, then don't even bother with Rolex and Omega, get a JLC with complications or a Grand Seiko. None of those have a super replica yet and you can immediately tell even if there's a replica for one.
Panerai was never about in house, they have always used sourced movement historically. A Panerai with in house movements are only a couple grand more so it's not a price issue, it's more of a choice.
Hi Jory. My opinion is that you are actually upset about where the world is going. The whole world cares less and less about substance and more about appearance, less about what is inside and more about what is outside. Car manufacturers, watch brands, movies, music, it's all the same. Less quality, more profit...
Totally agree! Was shocked when my AD told me my watch was fake and asked me if they can demolish it. Had to correct them and write to their regional office. To make it worse they refused to even issue an apology letter but just an email saying your watch is genuine.
As long as there are uninformed buyers out there paying for the brand name and look... Panerai won't do a thing. Most people who I know, who own a Rolex have zero idea what movement is in their watch! That's the Panerai target market :)
30 meters is 98 feet. About .2% of the world’s population have ever or will ever dive that deep. I would bet anything that over 99% of all luxury dive watch owners have never and will never dive with their watch. So who cares if it only has a depth rating of 30 meters. There are exactly 0 pools in the world that are deep enough to damage that watch. They know that almost 100% of all luxury watch wearers don’t dive and they know 100% that people who do dive will just wear a different watch so they are giving the people what they want and need. What’s the issue?
Love to know how often anyone every uses a paneRai for diving. We use dive computers, this is a ridiculous argument and 30m is enough for most casual diving anyway
Louis V, Gucci, Versace... The watch world is just behind the rest of the fashion world. Give it ten years and Patek will be selling plastic digitals to teenagers for 900 bucks a piece. The moron market is unfortunately lucrative.
@@adama4791 They have released a 40 mm Luminor Marina with the same 300m water resistance as the regular 44 mm. It's super popular among the ladies. They have it in all 3 popular dial colors (blue, black and white). The Due was criticised because they didn't have the 40mm before and it was seen as the 'smaller case size at the compromise of WR'. With the 40 mm releases and the Due being focused on with precious metal (Gold and Mother of Pearl dial), they've established a clear difference in the product lines. The Due are 38 mm and generally men tend to prefer 40-42 which is why Rolex releases mostly in 40 for men. Hence my earlier comment on it being more for women. Truth be told, there isn't any Submersible in 40 mm or below so you won't get that Diver's bezel for women in the size they prefer. In short, Panerai does not make any suitable diving watches for women today.
@@seanlingham5254 I would say 1) suitable is in the eyes of the beholder, namely the woman who might or might not want say a 42mm submersible but 2) sure you could say that, it is likely partly because I'm a man and a tall and stocky one at that such that none of panerais decisions really bother me since I can get away with all of their watches. I think I just didn't like the self righteous tone of this video. I would agree with his "they've betrayed the brand" bullshit if they didn't actually make any more legitimate divers but just because they are making something that isnt fully true to form (while producing the vast majority of watches that are) doesn't mean they're betraying the brand.
Would you please stop ranting on Seiko 5ks, already. It is NOT a friking first damn Seiko 5 sports watch that is 100m wr dive style watch, ffs. Like, everyone hates it, but on the other side they give praises to Seiko 5 Sea Urchin and 20 or so more other dive style watches with 100m wr. If you want ISO diver from Seiko, you can have them in a shape of Turtle, Tuna, Samurai and what not... this is getting old.
@@TriforceRich True that. I just am bored of all the rants in all the watch related videos about 5kx, like it is the end of the world. They fish for the subs, I guess.
"All fur coat with no knickers" comes to mind when I see 30m WR. I like the original styling but those Panerai lack integrity in design. Like those Chinese knock-offs. ☘
Okay - Panerai has been quietly revamping their entire product line. The new PAM 915 - an AMAZING update to the 111 (rated to 300 meter). My personal fav - the PAM 960 (also rated to 300 meters). They have locked down their distribution, so their prices are holding very steady, few deals are gone, you will pay to get back into the new club. As for fakes; that has nothing to do with Panerai production facilities; that is just fake news. Ps - I wouldn’t be wearing a 20k Gold watch diving anyway.
If you’ve seen a Panerai super fake, you’ll step away from the brand. People talk about the accuracy of Rolex fakes but the devil is in the details. The problem with many Panerai models is that there are no details that warrant their price tags so these replica factories can actually recreate the watch. Goes to show how overpriced the brand is in general. Also, Panerai designs are so similar they have a problem of selling more than one model to a customer.
Man I finally caught one of your uploads I subbed when you had 98k subs and your videos are great! You also got me interested into tank watches! Greetings from California! Edit: the 30m water resistance with that crown guard is hilarious 😂
@thetimeteller I love this video! You're angry for a good reason. The problem starts at the moment users and collectors begin to buy plain, ordinary tool watches like Panerai, Rolex, Doxa, Tudor, Omega, etc. as high end horology time pieces. They're not and they're not meant to be. Dive watches were constructed for the military as a part of the outfit and had to be reliable and cheap. A government supplies it soldiers with affordable pistols, but no civilian would buy the exact one for $20.000 and it happens with watches all the time, so the prices became outrageous and the watches … are still only a piece of tool.
I have always thought the crown guards looked ludicrous. But then they release a watch with those ridiculous looking crown guards and only 30m water resistance? Why not just release them as Radiomir models then?
Love my Pam 323. I own a lot of nice watches and it’s still my favourite. All I’ve seen lately are Rolex copies. If you know how, where and what to buy it’s not difficult.
Panerai remains an amazing watch with a history behind that gives a good balance between smart /casual/sporty, the bulky look ideal for people with large wrist /hands, exclusive lock for the crown which makes the watch recognizable at distance…. Tudor, Rolex, omega and others sometimes look the same from far , ….AP and Hublot have very similar models, lets not talk about Richard Mille hublot Spirit of big bang they get confused often, Panerai is unique in its style… and btw how fair is to compare brands with totally dofferent price range… Lets talk about the power reserve? How cool is that? sometimes i don’t use mine for a couple of days and I can just look at the power reserve indicator as if it was a fuel indicator in the car and i know if I need to wind it or not… and now they offer 8 years warranty… i am not sure that many brands offer such a long term warranty… i am not saying it is perfect and I think many statements in this video are based on true but lets not forget each brand have pros and cons…
But watches should never be heavily relied on style, style and design can be and will be copied. People still buy Rolex because the quality at MSRP is decent. The same for omega and JLC. Can’t say the same about Panerai. The 9010 movements don’t even hack, you can’t excuse corporate greed.
Actually it's not a PANERAI problem, only the COUNTERFIT problem and the fact that PANERAI was so desireable and popular and to this day is an iconic design. It makes absolutely no difference to the counterfitters if the bridges had multiple PANERAI logos on them or one logo (which I believe was a good aesthetic decision as the PANERAI PANERAI PANERAI PANERAI... looked soo cheesy). All those stories of not being able to tell the difference is also alot of bullshit, maybe only recently I've seen a fake that has the crown protector action done right and not loose as hell and one look at the movement was enough to tell a fake (Swan Neck Regulator that was never really copied 100%).
If panerai has gotten lazy and replicas are coming as good as real, I think they should take replicas and sell as real ones😂 since both are almost same 😂
hi i have a Panerai ferrari which i sent back for repair through an ad .Panerai first said it was real watch then said it was fake and sent it back, just shows they cant even tell.
I own Rolex Sub, IWC transitional big pilot, IWC miramar triple date ceramic and of course Panerai. Out of all my watches I love my Panerai 1104 (Panerai movement). I get a lot of good comments above all my other watches on my Panerai.
haha, all the more reason to buy FAKE Paneri. Honestly the current market, the state of shops only working on certain brands or only one brand or having a minimum of $1500.00 to replace a crown? it's getting to the point that if you already have your favorite "luxury" watches, you are better off buying fakes and throwing them out when they break. Hate to say it but it's true. Never buy another Paneri? Naw, treat your self and go buy a fake. Throw it out if it breaks and then buy another. It's the new way of life.
8:17 ... So you actually expect this, $20k plus, GOLD watch to be used for scuba diving? I find it bordering on pedantic to bemoan the 30m water resistance on a watch that is, clearly, NEVER going to be worn underwater. Panerai makes actual Subermersible watches for that purpose. And I can confidently claim that pretty much ALL Panerai owners buy the watches for their distinctive style and do not intend to wear them wreck diving at 300 feet below. That's why the Kodiak leather straps are no longer standard on the Pams either.
@@joeylee6094 I did buy a used skx399, and gosh the crown is having really big problems screwing down. It wasn't abused. Its just a common problem with older screwdowns. Thread gets crossed and worn out
The differences between the real and fake Panerais are obvious, I've seen many of both. The fact that the AD's can't spot the fakes just comes down to poor training.
You know, it was about the time when I was wanting to buy a Panerai I began to notice this trend of Panerai just giving up. Instead of sandwich, you get sausage dials. Instead of cool decorated movements, you get basic shit. Why they never bothered improving their water resistance is beyond me...especially given their size. Their catalog is confusing as shit also. You'll have what are seemingly two near-identical watches that are several thousand dollars in price difference. I love the Panerai aesthetic, but it's hard for them to justify their cost when there's a dozen microbrands that can make almost the exact same thing...for substantially cheaper and often better.
I cannot agree more! I love Panerai watches, the history, the looks, etc, especially a simple two hander. But the company is just completely lost. The Due is a joke, but it had so much potential. If they’re going to keep the Crown Protecting Device, make it properly water resistant. Otherwise, just give it a simple crown like the Radiomir. I do like the new materials they’re experimenting with, but the extra lume on the case is just a silly gimmick. I really hope they get it together soon.
Sorry l would definitely buy another Panerai l own a Pam 422 47m l own a Rolex Submariner 5512 and a Patek Philippe Nautilus l buy another Panerai before buy a Rolex or a Patek.
Totally understand why you are angry about it … I bought a Pam000 long time ago and it was an amazing watch until now. I still love my watch so I recommend my boyfriend to bought a Pam005. Both watches are from same Panerai shop at Canton road in HK without any discount. In 2023, I feel Panerai is not the same company to me because most of the watches are changed (thinner, smaller, in house movement, model number……) but all designs looks similar to the previous watches. To be honest, I’m still love this brand and would like to bought a Radiomir Pam380 for me especially with good price in 2nd hand market nowadays. But obviously Panerai do not have any significant models to make them historically so I’m afraid they will not stay in the market for long.
I'm a long time fan of Panerai, but their constant production of "limited" series watches reminds me of this Seinfeld joke: The Ford LTD. "LTD." Limited. It's a "limited" edition. What did they make, fifty million of those? "Yes, it's 'limited' to the number we can sell."
I get that 30M isn't very good for a watch that looks like a divers watch but you're not paying $20K for that. You're paying $20K for the materials used.
Panerai is like the Britney Spears of watches. Popular 15-20 years ago...a complete train wreck. Then you look at her now and you're like....yeah f***k it I still would....
I hate the unlimited launching of limited edition, I bought a preown PAM00618, exclusive for Hong Kong and have 100 piece only. Omg, I found out that they celebrated their brand just open a new shop in Tsim Sha Tsui, come on!
Why stupid, garbage Seiko>??? Asking? Good review with new Panerai (good I have old one---and don't resell for keeps-for my son) but don't know the reason of that comment about Seiko...anyone knows why?
In my opinion, most of the luxury watch manufacturers are taking all their customers for a jolly ride. How could anyone justify a price-tag of thousands of Dollars for a watch???? Ultimately, no wristwatch can ever match the absolutely accurate time that even the cheapest mobile phone offers!
I’ve never regretted buying a seiko 5 either. Great watch for $300. Not paying over 500 for something that doesn’t hack or hand wind with a terrible movement. Go panerai and seiko 👍🏻
Let's be honest, if the replicas are so good that you cannot tell the difference between a genuine or a fake. If dealers will not buy used panerai's without box and papers, that says everything! If the movements are virtually the same then they most likely will run/last about the same amount of time before repairs...then the question becomes dropping $6k or $300 for a watch ⌚.... the used genuine watches are usually 60% of the msrp...they don't increase in price unless they r patek, AP or Rolex's... Pride becomes the bottom line factor to me... if you want a genuine get the real deal. 💯! If you simply like the style...do what you will
I used to buy a lot of Paneri's but have lost interest in them years ago...too many fakes, every kid on the block has one, all watches look the same, the resale value is garbage...etc. So to this date, I only kept my 320, which has all the Panerai features that I like, sandwich dial, in house movement (though pretty ugly and lazy), 3 days power reserve, second reset to zero function, GMT for traveling. I don't think I will ever buy another Panerai, my money is much better spend on GS, Rolex and other watch brands...
you seem like the type of person that would complain if you stepped outside and it's a nice sunny day and the sky is blue. you'd still complain about something
" that stupid garbage Seiko", Well, I bought my 5kx for 250 Canadian dollars, with taxes included. After 2 months it's running within 2 seconds a day. Value is in the "hands" of the beholder, and if you want to spend more than I do and then slag what I spend my money go ahead. And if my 5kx dies a year from now, I will just go out and buy another one, but let's face it the 5kx's 4r36 movement have already proved itself to be very capable and it is highly unlikely that I will have to buy another for many years to come.
The 5KX is an overpriced, fake SKX. Buy a Vostok, which actually does its damned job, even if it isn't glamorous. This joke from Panerai? Ignore it. Your time is worth more than this.
I agree with much of what was stated in this.....HOWEVER....As an Old Timer in the Panerai community..that whole Brooklyn Bridge movement scandal is TOTAL BS...No watches ever left Panerai with an undecorated movement like what you just pictured...Nor is there ANY proof to the contrary...
Honestly, I can understand your critics. But might think for a while you are some kind of a purist , a taleban of horlogery... decoration on a commando watch to "identify" it? Pure nonsense. Completely agree on the ridiculous waterproofness of FEW panerai, but if you look better most of them are 300 metre waterproof. What about the luminor due. Well, they must make money to survive. Look at Mercedes ..
Can’t disagree with anything said in this video . And yes the seiko 5 is garbage !!!! Yet the watch community fawns over it .... its junk . Total cheap junk .
Bonati was all about brand development. He took an esoteric mil watch and gave it haut hologerie cache in a short period. Then Bonati, in order to make his bosses happy shit the bed on brand development and went ape with SE's and had HUGE sales. And his band of fanboys at panelists.com were a BIG part of the brand's marketing arm raving about the latest release and these guys getting new watches pretty much monthly. The whole idiotic $1500+ strap nonsense... $200 for a paper boutique shopping bag... it had to run outta gas.
This Video never put me off buying Another Panerai l own Patek and Rolex Sports models also own 2 Panerai watches only buy those 3 watch brands. This video talking counter thefts Rolex is biggest of them all... and many more other watch brands. You should buy a watch that Speaks to you feel when u try it on and history not watching Videos like this sounds like this dude is bored during this lockdown Period and picking up little things and making into something Big! 😂
RU-vidrs make contents to gain views. Take them with a grain of salt and maybe go visit a boutique to see one for yourself. I love my 372 and I own several nice watches that this youtuber wouldn't dare to trash.
I own a fake panerai (I know, I know, shame on me) and tbh it's not too bad that I can't notice the difference. Before judging just hear me out. I live in a country where you get robbed all the time, no matter how hard you work, you're gonna get robbed. So if you think about it, instead of regretting the loss of a 20.000usd watch it's regretting just a 200usd watch. The situation is so much so, that even sports celebs do the exact same thing. So at the end of the day it's a watch that looks nice and if you lose it, you lose it. Get a new one, move on.
