That would 100% be Twitch’s solution. >”If you’re clinically depressed, just be happy” >”If your an insomnia, just sleep on it”. >”If you’re having having trouble at school, just be smart”. >”If you’ve got life threatening health problems, just be healthy”. > “If you’re single, just go date” > “If you’ve got domestic problem at age of 10, just move out”
Dude Twitch honestly gives no fucks. Literally Banned Dr.Disrespect and used all the advertising money they built up from him and used it all to introduce shroud and ninja back.
@@AJayvern No, the law is abusive. For instance, it prohibited manufacturing of VCRs without Automatic Gain Control circuitry, as Macrovision copy protection system relied on spoofing it in order to corrupt the copied video.
@@whatocallmyself5614 I'm pretty sure all Newgrounds music that you can use in GD are not copyrighted which is why people can use them in GD without RobTop having to pay every single one of the creators
If I'm playing a difficult game and I'm about to die, I almost always say "no no no no nono no nono" like Imperial March really fast or some other song, I'm not a streamer but if I was, not being able to do something like that would be hell
Twitch banned Herman Li, the lead guitarist for dragon force, for playing his own music. Edit: People keep saying it was for nudity so i did some research, discord/twitter/google search. I couldnt find anything saying for sure why he got banned, so I stand corrected its not 100% DMCA, but nudity as far as I can tell is also speculation. If someone wants to post a screenshot of the man himself saying either way I would appreciate.
I like recording and playing project diva, but 99% of those songs are copyrighted so I really can't all that well. Guess I'll just stay away from twitch
Yeah, those were the days of anything related to Despacito getting a DMCA strike. He was also threatened with DMCA copyright strikes by Campo Santo if he continued playing Firewatch, despite them allowing Let's Players to play the game.
@@azalago It was because that was around the time Pewdiepie got supposedly outed as a racist and antisemite. The creators of Firewatch didn't want him to create revenue from their game and threatened to DMCA strike his series on the game.
@@l.bakker7563 That's a clear abuse of DMCA. That's not how the system is used or why it exists. It's like calling the cops on someone for walking their dog by your house but you don't like them so you told the cops the guy was armed and making threats. It's a disgusting misuse of the system and not applicable to the situation.
Herman Li got murked for playing HIS OWN music. He did get reinstated, but that shows you how free and loose these media companies are with takedowns. Also, the RIAA once unironically argued that if you hear a ringtone in public, then you've been sufficiently entertained to warrant monetary compensation to whoever made that ringtone. So yeah. That's the mentality we're up against.
Seriously, T-Pain is a fucking hero during these times. I grew up with that mans music I'm an old potato. Dude is still a super chill dude even now. We need more people like him who will stand up for whats actually right. This is insanity at it's tippy top. I honestly don't understand where the fuck I live anymore that this has become a problem. People using your music for background noise and if anything PROMOTING your songs and their going to get taken down. Honestly best thing to do IS start just using RU-vid. If their numbers fall drastically they'll change REAL QUICK. Their all about money.
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How to make DMCA good: first- take out the “D” with a 52mm second- Put a Y in the place Now yall can be friends in the YMCA Oh wait, I got copyright because I used a music name in my comment, sorry guys
@@AsparagusRex That is not a solution if you can get DMCA'd by humming a song. You can't make a noise that even remotely resembles a copyrighted sound.
Streamer: plays copyrighted music* Twitch: strike Streamer: plays his own made music* Twitch: strike Streamer: makes sounds* Twitch: strike Streamer: makes only one sound* Twitch: strike Streamer: being silent* Twitch: strike
I respect this dude but I disagree a lot on what he is saying, twitch should 100% ban people who play music, since 99% of the time the music is the only thing that makes someone streams interesting and that shouldnt be the case. Twitch streamer should stop relying on music to be entertaining and start working on being entertaining by themselfs, wich is what twitch is trying to force the streamers to do by banning unfunny and bad streamer that compose 70% of the site
@Leo Rostagni 1st: Muting is not a good punishment because it could only be applyied to the VOD, wich would not hurt the streamer enough since almost no income comes from VODS, there should be a harsh punishments when someone breaks any rules because that makes other people think twice before making the same mistake. 2nd: Then why are streamer so scared of turning off the music background? because thats a huge part of the content, streamers are leeching out of the hardwork of other for their personal gain since they arent being entertaining all by themselfs. 3rd: When a streamer plays a game with copyrighted content he is supporting a game who infringed DMCA, so therefore the game AND THE STREAMER should suffer hardcore punishment.
Beginner guide to proper streaming on Twitch: Music: Off Sound effects: Off Multiplayer: Off Camera: Off Mic: Off Chat: Off Motto: "It's a crime to not prime. All hail our overlords, for we are nothing without Their grace."
Facts. Just because Twitch is optimised for streaming doesen't mean they're a great platform. Twitch mods and their rules have always been pretty toxic and underperforming to say the least
I HAVE THE BEST MUSIC TASTE BECAUSE ALL I LISTEN TO IS CAVEMEN BANGING STICKS ON ROCKS WHICH IS WAY OLDER THAN ANY OF THE MUSIC YOU GUYS LISTEN TO YOU HEAR THAT?! I'M BETTER THAN YOU!
Twitch in their statement gave like 5 examples of licence free music libraries you can use on your stream without worrying about this. Or you could reach out to an indie artist for a licence/permission. You just want to play popular music off Spotify or not check a game's EULA to see if there's any music you have to mute. If streaming is your job please do it professionally like every other self-employed person does.
@@LoudMouth_ People have been DMCAd for license free music. Also, if not all music in a game is copyrighted then you're stuck with either constantly stopping the experience to mute and unmute the music when you need to or you mute ALL music, both of which can ruin an experience when it comes to an audience watching someone play a story-driven game. The simple "don't play copyrighted music" is outdated, so it should be updated to allow for things like that as well as many other circumstances like getting a channel banned for streaming while walking with Kanye playing in a cafe he's paying
@@temporalCaster I'd need to see an example of people getting flagged for licence free music that isn't just a mistake. Also yea, I agree that the DMCA needs to be updated to consider things like incidental music in the street. However, Twitch even confirmed in their report, the one that barely anyone read, that 99% of claims they received were for people playing unlicensed music in the background of their stream. You all keep throwing out these anecdotal absurd claims that were likely mistakes that went nowhere and ignore that the problem is with 99% of the cases being streamers breaking copyright law. blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/11/11/music-related-copyright-claims-and-twitch/
Yeah, vin talked about how dumb it is that Red Vox gets itself struck. He even specifically said "i dont care if you use [Red Vox's] music as long as you're not selling it"
If you're publishing media on the internet without any understanding of copyright, it's your own fault. Companies abusing DMCA claims against a clearly fair use of work is a serious issue and there needs to be some kind of punishment for it. Also, the cost of fighting copyright claims needs to be reduced significantly. However, just playing music over your stream isn't a fair use, music isn't free to give out to your audience just because you paid for Spotify. Copyright and DMCA apply to protect streamers if other people/companies use their content too. Stop giving streamers a free pass to steal content and advocate for better avenues for streamers to affordably and easily licence music for their streams. That's a win-win for everyone involved.
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i work at a cat shelter. there was a particular cat who’d been at the shelter since 2008 because he was so incredibly shy and traumatized from his earlier life. his name was ghindi. most visitors and even some volunteers didn’t know he existed because he’s such a good hider. after working there for nearly two years, i finally gained his trust enough to pet him which he absolutely LOVED but is so reluctant to allow. he was so adorable, rolling around on the floor, rubbing on me, demanding more and more pets. he was even purring! and i got it all on video!! this was prime social media material. however, upon uploading it, i learned my phone’s mic picked up some of a phil collins song playing on a radio in another room. although it was barely audible to the human ear, it prevented me from being able to upload the video anywhere and it got some of the shelter’s social media accounts into some shit. that was probably the best promotion we could have ever possibly gotten of that cat and i just couldn’t do anything with it because of this stupid ancient fucking law. anyway, ghindi died in the shelter earlier this year, never having found a real home. he would’ve had a much better chance had i been able to use that video to show people how sweet he could be.
At this point, the only category on Twitch is gonna be Just Chatting Edit: Please report the bots, I’ve reported about 15 so far and it’s only been 6 hours...
It’s a RU-vid problem too, jameskii has gotten strikes for no clear reason. One example is when one of his friends played all star on his own guitar. It was 30 seconds and followed every fair use law
they've been doing it since their conception, gamers think EA is bad but copyright holding music companies are about as bad as it gets without literally killing people (like food companies do)
I mean, from the music industry perspective, they are selling licenses for people to have the music in the game, but not public performance licenses. In my opinion, it should be standard for game companies to pay the public performance licenses (which they probably can considering the gaming industry is 6x larger than the music industry)
Charlie, this is not just Twitch. I also recently played both these games, and specifically, Miles Morales got claimed here on RU-vid. The only solution I had was to take down the original video and literally play MY OWN music over those scenes. Fortunately, when I record gameplay, I record my voice separate from the game sound, so this wasn’t completely awful, but the point is the same- RU-vid does this too. The solution is for game companies to STOP putting copyrighted music in their games, which is an awful solution, but due to lobbyists and greed, there will never be DMCA reform.
On RU-vid claim and strike is different. However if music company would get all ad money from video that have claim when music is only 1% of video then it should be different.
@@PhantomDogman there is no need to explain the difference to me- I am very clearly well versed in RU-vid. Music claims here on this platform have a few different effects, from as simple as a copyright claim, to as severe as an outright takedown which results in a strike. For those of us where RU-vid is our job, these claims hurt our ability to make a living. So if you’re a gaming channel that is consistently getting claims, it’s functionally the same as the Twitch model- you’re being shut down. The two hottest games on the market right now (Spider-Man and Cold War) BOTH have copyrighted music in them, meaning the content you’re making will either earn you no revenue or will be compromised in some fashion.
Imagine a music artist going live on twitch, just to sing their own song and then getting strike for their own song and then going to jail for singing their own song..
"I wouldn't be surprised if they started DMCA'ing people and taking them to court if they walk by a bar where you can kinda hear some music playing at it" I'm pretty sure an IRL streamer got banned bc he was walking by a coffee shop that was playing kanye west
@@obama_cricket I remember streaming KH3 for a friend because he wanted to watch and there was a notice about how you couldn’t leave the game paused too long because they would think you’re just trying to stream the music.
As long as you don't stream Utada songs, which aren't actually apart of the story mode outside of the very first song you play, you should be good to go.
Or a Miku game. Fun fact if you stream Project Diva games via the PS4's streaming option, song audio is muted on the stream in real-time because of Sega copyright.
"youtube is clearly superior when it comes to handling DMCA" if that doesn't show you just how bad these DMCA cases are on twitch, i dont know what will.
"I wouldn't be surprised if they stated DMCAing people and bringing them to court for just walking near a bar and kind of hearing music" I'm pretty sure that's already happened, at least on youtube
tbf RU-vid has never turned a profit. It's been a money sink since day 1 due to the sheer resources required to store all the video. Maybe a migration would be the start of Google's investment paying off?
The other platforms have to catch up to be competitive, and Amazon doesn't give a fuck about twitch. Its not a moneymaker for them directly, all they care about is using it to drive Prime subscriptions. Google at least knows that RU-vid is a moneymaker, or would be if there were enough ads to sell
Unfortunately the people who write the laws don't even know what RU-vid is, let alone Twitch. Shame you guys didn't elect a proper Gamer™ like Bernie to the White House. He'd have sorted this out.
Content creators need to start networking with politicians if they want something to change. AOC and Ilhan Omar played Among Us with a bunch of streamers did anyone bring up DMCA?
Music is often a core part of a game's identity, and it's downright pathetic for Twitch to push streamers to censorship of the game they're playing on a platform made for gaming.
twitch needs to grow a spine and stand up for their platform. if video game streamers have to leave because of DMCA policies i can guarantee that they'll crumble.
I mean, you can’t just get off of your punishment because you got away with it when it happened. Obviously that’s not a good precedent. But yeah, punishing people for old videos is silly.
No, it’d be more like if you went the speed limit 3 years ago, they change it today to less than what you were driving then and you get punished for it now. Retroactively punishing people for things that weren’t banned when you first did it is definitely scummy.
I just started streaming on twitch and I normally do art streams so having music is very important to keep people entertained, song request is also very helpful and keeping watchers engaged in a way. I found new songs and artist via song request and stuff. I thought video game music would be ok but I guess not. Geez this fucks up a lot of stuff. Idk what to do. Guess I'll go find some free music and hope it ain't shit. I guess.
The music industry / TV industry in general is a failing dinosaur only around in the modern era because of government intervention though their own moves and decisions ruined them in all ways. I remember years ago on RU-vid where sound effects were being copy written. Total crap
@@jackschwab1899 The law is so stupid. Like they hate creativity and original media like music, like what's next? You get a DMCA strike for saying a word that was also used in a song?
T-Pain has been one of the unsung hero's during this whole thing. He has created a lot of royalty free music for people to play without having to worry about takedowns.
I recently had several of my art streams from months ago flagged and muted because of audio claims, but the flagged files either didn't have music (mic only, the section flagged was from my phones generic ring tone), or had royalty free music (a few seconds of the royalty free music was similar with a sing from the 1980's and got flagged). So even if you do mute the music you're not safe.
True, artists should be able to use their own music without any issues, they have all the rights to use it because it belongs to them. I'd freak out if my own music or even my own OC's got me banned from Twitch or RU-vid because of DMCA.
