Why Ollie Chose Rim Brakes For His New Pinarello Dogma F12

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We're very lucky at GCN to get some amazing road bikes, and Ollie's choice of rim brakes for his Pinarello F12 has raised a few eyebrows. In this video Ollie talks about the reasons why he chose rim brakes over disc and gives a quick overview of the bike specs.
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@bresley85 5 лет назад

Crank not in the 3 o'clock position, Valves not aligned, No gold chain, That's just nice Ollie mate...

@adriancastellanos101 5 лет назад

Took the words right out of my mouth friend

@rrobotman 5 лет назад

No depth of field - poor effort that.

@Bilbo736 5 лет назад

dont forget that hes in the shot

@robbchastain3036 5 лет назад

Such a pity, as the custom paint alone makes it a splendid.

@dalezapple2493 5 лет назад

LoL

@borislro6825 4 года назад

I have bikes with disk and rim breaks. Although disks are good when doing off-road rides requiring big braking power, rim breaks are enough for road rides and races outside of mountains. Two points not mentioned in the video: 1. It’s easier thus cheaper to do maintenance in rim vs disc brakes; and 2. for amateur racers who do not have team support, it’s much easier to change fast a wheel with rim than disc brakes. It’s sad that manufacturers push for disc only nowadays. It doesn’t fit the market for casual Sunday riders who need easy to use and maintain bikes

@markkennedy1022 3 года назад

Nailed the balanced argument - well reasoned and presented. Especially right on about choosing a setup that reflects where you live and the kinds of rides / roads you go for. Enjoy the bike - it is lovely!

@DEAR7340 Год назад

Yep. I also appreciate the balance. I live in the Appalachians (US) and, for me, that tips the balance towards disc brakes. Weather and the long steep downgrades are just easier with disc brakes. If I lived in flat-to-rolling terrain, I'd certainly stick with rim brakes.

@Pierrrrrrrrrrrrrrre 5 лет назад

I'll save it for you "I choose a rim brake - because I already have a disc brake bike."

@LarsRR 4 года назад

Pierre F. Which is for me the ultimate reason to stick with Discs. I already have a disc, so I buy another disc. The advantage is you can swap the wheels.

@Jabba1625 4 года назад

I have both rim and disc brakes on the two bikes I own, cheaper disc brakes are rubbish, feel wooden in their brake performance, where as my rim brakes on my workhorse town bike bite so hard it's not funny. Only really need my disc brakes on the MTB for those hairy bush trails. Enjoy whatever your choice or budget allows

@tbrowniscool 4 года назад

Rim brakes are ok but paired with carbon wheels they are dangerous. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ET1jRVynOBA.html

@jamesward2141 4 года назад

Yea that doesn’t really make sense as a reason...

@dernils6176 4 года назад

He actually gave a lot of other reasons

@10ktube 5 лет назад

I'm still on rim brakes for the road mainly because I have so many spare wheels and brake parts for them, if I switched to disc I lose my stash of backups. It's basically controlled hoarding.

@mrd691 5 лет назад

This is my reason. I have 3 road rim brake bikes, all running shimano 11 speed. So wheel swaps are simple. Plus they all fit on my turbo without fiddling with adapters.

@innismor11 5 лет назад

Well, it's basically pissing off the bike manufacturers and retailers is what it is, basically. You're costing them your money.

@phillip2169 4 года назад

Lol yeah that's why I stopped buying extra stuff for my bike. I gotta get disc just cause I ride through winter and rain and go through too many pads. Not rims yet because I brake the rim well before that happens 😔

@deane9050 4 года назад

haha good reason mate

@alg3n320 3 года назад

@@innismor11 cry more

@jontarling8232 5 лет назад

Threaded bottom bracket is reason enough, fit and forget, it just works!

@ErzbergAdventures 5 лет назад

Pressfit is fine. Never had any issues in the 20k km and 3 BB I've replaced. It does come down to manufacturing tolerances though.

@ooldmka 5 лет назад

@RollinRat what about bsa it? Is it that bad compared to bsa e?

@lleweybyrne 5 лет назад

@@ErzbergAdventures I do 20K KM easy on one threaded BB. I agree press fit should work, but doesn't due to very poor engineering tolerances on BBs even on top end frames! Cervelo are very poor in this regard, Look and Time are amongst the best.

@ErzbergAdventures 5 лет назад

@@lleweybyrne I'm not on a road bike. I see it all the time in cheaper manufacturer's. Issues all the time with creaking and movement.

@mattastill9922 5 лет назад

@@ErzbergAdventures you went through 3 bb in 20km? Sounds like you have misaligned bb shells.

@philjewell69 5 лет назад

Just got a TCR rim brake because my last bike had discs and proved to be more hassle than it was worth. I still have a disc brake road bike for commuting and winter rides(TRP cable pull) but I have to say as soon as the TCR arrived setting up rim brakes was a joy. Everyone to their own 😀 #lightweight #simpletoadjust #easylife

@beatenbytheclown 5 лет назад

Pretty much my experience too. Have discs on my commuter bike but rims on the weekend bike. Commuter bike is a upgrade that’s only a couple of months old so I’ll see how the discs hold up. But my previous experience of discs (from 2011 admittedly) was like yours, way to much trouble in comparison to rims, outweighing the extra stopping power.

@garyzimbric4055 5 лет назад

I live in the US Midwest and rarely venture out in the rain. And I love my rim brake Madone. But I also go to Northern California every spring and occasionally to the Alps and Pyrenees with wicked descents and wet roads. Love my disk brake Edmonda. Lucky to have perfect bikes for the where and how I ride. And I agree with Ollie on all points.

@phillip2169 4 года назад

Ugh. I feel like this should be me. I can't afford 2 good bikes though. Also N+1

@joegrossi4457 5 лет назад

Rim brakes for me. Ollie hit all the key arguments.

@avinj 5 лет назад

Yes mate, RIM BRAKES ALL THE WAY!!!

@cyclonutterd7075 5 лет назад

Stunning bike mate, I'd go rim brakes too, I really like the whole build, just about perfect.

@cyclonutterd7075 5 лет назад

Full review would be great after a couple of months.

@mikestv3782 4 года назад

Rim brakes for me, I have been cycling since 1984 in all weather conditions, descended the Galibier at 90+kph plus other mountains and have never once thought to myself, if only I had better brakes?

@razvanyke 3 года назад

I like so much the calm enthusiasm of Ollie, now I want a Pinarello too .. thank you.

@911rsr 3 года назад

*Casually wiping tears off my eyes from feeling broke

@brodie.969 3 года назад

I can relate.

@KimMoth 3 года назад

You can build a lighter bike than this from used stuff for pretty cheap.

@SlowBoyAthlete 5 лет назад

Dear Ollie, Thank you so much for coming out and supporting those who use rim brakes. I am a closet rim brake lover, but sadly, I have never felt comfortable in declaring my orientation to other disc brake users. But because of your openness and public support of rim brakes, I am encouraged and inspired to be proud of my choices, not to feel ashamed and to help advocate other rim brake users to be be true to themselves. Yours in faith. SBA

@newttella1043 5 лет назад

The hardest part of owning rim brakes is telling your parents.

@MotoLopez1k 4 года назад

SlowBoyAthlete I’ve also been a closet rim brake lover til now

@phillip2169 4 года назад

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 /s

@yamchabrotherofdora5171 5 лет назад

This is the Technology where I can't agree with... So I still choose Rim Breaks

@JimS870 Год назад

I'm just getting into cycling (since July). I don't know a lot about bikes. But that is one of the NICEST bikes I've ever seen in my life. Just stunning.

@bobqzzi 5 лет назад

The only times I've ever wished I had disc brakes were descending Mauna Kea in Hawaii and Jefferson Notch Road in New Hampshire, -the latter of which was loose dirt at over 10% for miles. Oh, and coming down Lolo Pass in the freezing rain in 1998. Mostly, even super cheap rim brakes would be fine 99% of the time for the riding I do. Just don't see the need on a road bike. Awesome Pinarello.

@ooldmka 5 лет назад

Do you ride in the rain?

@bobqzzi 5 лет назад

@@ooldmka Sure, I commute year round, rain, snow or sun.

@graphics_dev5918 5 лет назад

@@bobqzzi Then either you obviously haven't tried discs or you're trolling.

@bobqzzi 5 лет назад

@@graphics_dev5918 Discs work fine. As I said, not remotely needed for the miles I do. They may offer some small advantage in the rain, but in the dry they don't stop any faster since bicycle braking is limited by flipping over, not brake strength or traction.

@graphics_dev5918 5 лет назад

@@bobqzzi I mostly agree with part two, but the difference in the rain is not at all small IME. I hate riding in the rain with rim brakes (still do it sometimes, but it feels real sketchy). Maybe that's because my first nice bike had discs.

@carlandre8610 4 года назад

A good set of Campi record brakes are super and all I need.

@mazuelle 5 лет назад

Beautiful bike. I‘m living in the alps, doing long descends and still loving my Cannondale Supersix Evo from 2016. I had never any problems with my rim brakes and Lightweight Meilenstein rims, weights about 6,4 kg.

@chrisdahms9682 5 лет назад

Lovin' my rim brakes, no plans to change to disk anytime soon 👍

@HenryAshman 5 лет назад

The big thing for me for disc vs rim brakes is I couldn't bring myself to wear out a £1k pair of rims, whereas even Dura ace rotors are less than £100 a pair, and are trivial to remove and fit replacements. Plus the roads are awful round me so 28mm+ tyres are a must

@asiantrick24 5 лет назад

Henry Ashman people always bring this up but I don’t remember the last time I ever worn out a carbon wheel in my last 7 years of hard racing 🤦‍♂️

@user-jv4fu9uc3e 5 лет назад

30 years of riding and never wore out a rim I have replaced wheels out of wanting something newer than wearing them.out

@jkk916 5 лет назад

Don't try to justify discs with that, they will just cost you more.

@richdyer2000 5 лет назад

It’s not the consistent and predictable wear that’s an issue (as with mountain bikes), but the risk of suddenly trashing rims by picking up some grit is enough to stop me investing in carbon rims for my current rim-brake bike.

@doggdemuro 5 лет назад

Never seen anyone wear out rims. Carbon or otherwise. Do you ride with the brakes constantly applied or something?

@jonhh6918 5 лет назад

Ollie part of the weight weenies, oh that's very surprising 😂🤣. He is a great advocate for rim brakes. P.S. love my rim brakes.

@howardkaye6104 5 лет назад

Best of luck on your new bike Ollie

@madbiker9494 5 лет назад

To me direct mount brakes are the best option, I wish more bikes had them more than enough power

@phillip2169 4 года назад

Depends on how/where/when you ride though. Not enough in mine for a lot of instances

@giusepperusso9513 4 года назад

Your explanation on rims vs disk is the best ever listed... I do agree with all your comments... I will go disk as it will be the only all around bike... so I am in agreement with you

@cliffcox7643 4 года назад

RIm brakes for me. How many times will I be descending on wet mountain roads, at the limits? Zero. When it does get wet on the mountains, I slow waaay down as a matter of common sense.

@cliffcox7643 4 года назад

@@poxcr no, I do mountains only 2 days a week, The climb is 1 hour and the descent 15 minutes. Makes no sense to get disc in any way. Also they don't wear out as quickly as people think from the pads.

@whatwelearned 4 года назад

That's illogical. Everything else being equal you're saying you'd rather have inferior braking.

@cliffcox7643 4 года назад

@@whatwelearned No, rim works just fine as we still ride packs of 80 to 100. No brake differential issues.. Climbs here i SoCal and rim is lighter. Descents are in the dry.. Who's riding in rain in SoCal anyway, must be an outsider. They work great. .Also try changing tires on a group ride. and rim brake person is done in 1/4 the time of a disc person. There is literally no need for heavier, more expensive. Who cares about more braking performance. Who's braking anyway. LOL.

@rxonmymind8362 3 года назад

@@whatwelearned Inferior? How? You anticipate the need for braking and do so on both. I'll stop just as well on rims or disc. Not inferior by any means.

@whatwelearned 3 года назад

@@rxonmymind8362 No, you won't, as has been proven time and again.

@bwlucas 5 лет назад

I've been rocking mechanical disc brakes all year and so far its been great. Easy to pack in the bike box, not difficult to maintain, and they stop better than my older RIM brake system, especially in the wet. Watching my friends deal with setting up their hydraulic systems, bleeding brake lines, caliper adjustments, seems like a hassle.

@paulcuthbert 5 лет назад

I agree with Ollie. I chose rim brakes on my new bike, for much the same reason as he stated. Another reason I chose them is I know how to maintain them, and can't be bothered to learn how to maintain disc brakes! As an aside, doesn't Ollie just seem like a top bloke? Would love to go for a ride with him - and then for a brew!

@jackglossop4859 5 лет назад

Maintaining disk brakes is really easy. Just watch a few RU-vid videos and then start working on yours before finding that they don’t behave the same as the ones in the videos and now you have a bike where the fucking brakes are fucked and you’ve got to drive the twat to a pissing mechanic to get the fucking bastards sorted for the third fucking time this bastard year.... Then revert to rim brakes.

@brucelee2309 4 года назад

Got my first real road bike 2013 it's a giant TCR compact 1, aluminium frame, carbon forks and seat post, 105 groupset, 12-28 rear and 52/39 front. Served me well. Still use it most weeks currently it's my only bike and for the past 7 years I never once thought I'd need another bike or a bike with disk brakes 😂 so if you don't need it you don't need it.

@davonpointer2310 5 лет назад

Great ride 👍🏼 For me what I love about bicycles is the simplicity, having dics goes against this... prefer a light as bike as possible.

@RoyAH. 5 лет назад

You are very lucky to have this bike, I appreciate the modesty Ollie! Wonderful review, thank you for sharing.

@gcntech 5 лет назад

Thanks RAH

@seanfrancesstanhope4797 5 лет назад

This is interesting because I picked a disc break bike specifically because I'd ride my brakes down descents trying to stay safe. I would go through brake pads so quick and in a hot day the rims would heat up like crazy and I even melted the tire coming down vontoux. I found rim brakes soooo dangerous for someone trying to go slow down a hill

@ltu42 5 лет назад

True that! If you rely more on the air resistance by going faster, your brakes get less energy to dissipate, and the faster airflow cools the rims better.

@someguy9520 5 лет назад

I got an 13' specialized shiv tri version. Snatching up rim brake components for real cheap now. Used and new stuff since many people in my area are changing to disk brakes cause they "need" them I also get quite cheap 11speed components, since everyone pushes 12/13 speed drivetrains

@sbsb4995 4 года назад

Rim brakes is the way to go. Well done.

@thomaskeenan2208 Год назад

Observed a rider packing his disk brake bike for bullet train. Had nice little covers for disks, sprockets. It was also a nice road bike, custom paint no labels. Rim brakes less susceptible to damage during transport. A minor consideration that of course can be managed with discs but a little more care.

@JogBird 5 лет назад

Its too bad direct mount brakes didnt come out earlier, theyre so good. Theres really little need for disc brakes for most people.

@samuel_excels 5 лет назад

I disagree, for riding in traffic and on a wet commuter ride they're life savers. I wouldn't go back to rim brakes now.

@henriks5008 5 лет назад

JogBird NOT correct. How long does the break-surface on a rim-brake carbon wheel last?? What happens when you have to change the wheel cause of brake-wear? Its gonna cost you a brand new set of carbon wheels! How much does a carbon deep section tubular wheel-set cost?? With disc brakes that is not a problem. Money saved..

@jkk916 5 лет назад

@@henriks5008 I have made almost 20000 km with my carbon clinchers and rim brake surface still looks good. It may last 100000 km, who wold knew. I wil have to find another excuse to change my wheels.

@henriks5008 5 лет назад

@@jkk916 If i could choose, the wheel-set i buy for 2500-3500 $ would last for way way more than 4-5 years without any wear. Ive ridden deep section carbon tubulars since 2012 and had to change once. Maybe your standards are lower than mine? When i measure 0,5 mm wear and a concave brake surface its time to change. I live in a hilly area therefore brake a lot.

@jkk916 5 лет назад

@@henriks5008 That is crazy amount of money for a wheelset so I would think you are all about performance. But what if a bicycle with half cheaper wheels and rim brakes would be faster than a bike with discs and your wheels? Discs are heavy and cause some aero drag. You could buy cheaper and quite heavy deep section wheels and still have lighter and more aerodynamic bicycle. Also, if you have expensive hubs it would make sense to rebuild wheels with a new rim. I don't know why people act like rim brake wears off their cartilage, it wears off rim only for a gods sake! I cannot even measure wear, it is too minute. I don't live in flat area either and I occasionally ride on bad weather. But to be fair I rarely ride steep technical descends. Maybe you should try some other brake pads...

@heinz-dieteroelmann9960 5 лет назад

dear Oli, I love your clips, your presentations and your comments... thanks - you gave me inspiration to take part in the Fred Whitton - I really love the Lake District and hope to see Yorkshire next year - possibly to take part in the White rose classic... I love my ax lightness with rim brakes and my Rose x-lite with disc-brakes as well... please stay as you are...

@OllieBridgewood 5 лет назад

heinz-dieter oelmann cheers pal. Will try my best!

@tilldeathdowe 5 лет назад

Its awesome to watch another cyclist excited about their new bike... I love that buzz. Enjoy every mile Ollie!

@koenbouts 5 лет назад

very well balanced speech on the choice of rimbrakes vs disc. The only question I have is with rim brakes and carbon wheels. I ride aluminum wheels which I tend to trust more than full carbon wheels. I still hear from mates that rim brakes and full carbon wheels brake less good than aluminum rim surface (even with the specially designed brake pads) and then my preference would go to disc brakes. So my new bike will definitely have disc brakes. I ride the mountains 1/year and love using my brakes ;).

@durianriders 5 лет назад

I approve of this video

@OllieBridgewood 5 лет назад

durianrider good to know! 😉😂

@seanyu7851 4 года назад

I knew you'd be here , Harley haha

@taranhase7057 3 года назад

No rub

@sephiroth7818 3 года назад

GCN just needs to do an epi with Durianrider already

@DMcTyke 4 года назад

Good balanced viewpoint on the pros and cons of discs vs rim brakes. I've never wished for more braking power than my Campagnolo rim brakes and alu wheels provide, even when letting it rip down Alpine descents. I can't speak for racing cyclists, but I'm not aware of any pros complaining that their rim brakes aren't powerful enough (I could be wrong there). Anyway, I just don't like the cluttered look of discs on a lightweight road bike, especially the asymmetrical (dished) front wheel when viewed from the saddle, so it will always be rim brakes for me (even more so now with the direct mount option).

@andressuarezp 5 лет назад

Rim brakes for me !

@tatters1232006 5 лет назад

I hired a pinerello in the French alpes this year and boy!!! What a responsive beautiful light machine I was in heaven

@kawakawa9451 5 лет назад

Rim brakes all day long 👍 one of my bikes is an F8 btw.

@photopbaranyi 5 лет назад

I prefer the rim break, because radial and lighter spokes at front wheel and opposite casete side of rear wheel. More durable from road shocks like vertical and more aero . The disk break isn't allowed the radial spokes and required wider, longer, stronger diagonal spokes. Not so often mentioned it in rim vs disc topic! So if possible I avoid disc break more time. I'll see when I have no choice. I agree with you, all road bikers style, environment and requirement is different. So I hope not mandatory use for me disk break, because the market needs.

@event4216 5 лет назад

I prefer my rims don't break)

@MrPisuicas 5 лет назад

It is starting to rain and there is a technically descent ahead!, You: "damn i wish i got disk brakes that looks scary"

@55whiplash 5 лет назад

somehow we survived long wet descents with loaded panniers on dirt roads forever and now we "need"disc brakes because the bike industry says so, or not.

@johnwedlake5543 4 года назад

Not when you actually know how to handle a bike, and when to brake on the road.

@phillip2169 4 года назад

@@55whiplash that's not an argument. Just because we had something in the past doesn't mean it is inherently better. Disc brakes are demonstrably better. I have had bad stopping experiences with rim brakes. Hills, snow, speed. They have worked for some and for other not. That isn't a reason to not innovate. If vehicles go from rim (drum) to disc as they get fast you think it's because it's a fad?

@phillip2169 4 года назад

@@johnwedlake5543 I do. And I ride at speeds and whether that most people shy from. @ me when your rims fail because its -20, snowing, and a hill

@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess 3 года назад

@@phillip2169 Just get off the bike and walk in dangerous descents

@brendanpotash 3 года назад

...and I always appreciate your pragmatic and very helpful explanations of all the bits of tech that no one talks about (except for my very talkative bike mechanic).

@4vickiekaye 5 лет назад

Disc brake rubbing would drive me mad. I will stay with rim brakes for the conceivable future.

@stevegeek 4 года назад

Vickie Kaye Agree. I often find myself on club rides with people using discs and as soon as we hit some dirty roads they start sounding like cement mixers! Drives me crazy. Rim brakes for me.

@4vickiekaye 4 года назад

@@stevegeek Really? I haven't ridden with anyone on discs yet but I certainly believe it.

@harrydelaney6623 3 года назад

Yea it’s awful..soon as get slightly wet the noise of them 😩

@Bayo106 3 года назад

@@harrydelaney6623 youd think there was a train on the road

@harrydelaney6623 3 года назад

@@Bayo106 yea bog time like a train horn 😂

@bikemanlancia1 3 года назад

I’ve been riding my F10 Dogma for r 2 years now and thoroughly enjoy 100% of all it has to offer.... rim brakes are my choice for exactly the same reason’s as you .....with my set of either Envy 4.5 or 3.4 wheels,Continental Grand Prix 4 Season tyres.... braking is superb...

@richardggeorge 2 года назад

Hi. What carbon rim pads do you use? Campag brand? Thanks

@anthonyholmes1704 5 лет назад

Cyclist 40 years, I ride rim brakes whatever, just got a Colnago C64 with direct mount, rock solid stopping. road bikes don't need discs.

@joseluisrodriguezvazquez6082 4 года назад

Neatly explained. I couldn't agree more. Those same reasons apply to 90% of cyclists out there, who don't need disc brakes either and even pay more for a heavier trickier-to-adjust bike. But that's how the industry works. Selling stuff to people who don't need it and even making them believe they're better off with it.

@gossamersanchez4796 3 года назад

Rim brakes every time I have a gorgeous team sky edition dogma F10 with.... RIM BRAKES and ksyrium exalith clinchers, it is totally superior to the disk equivalent

@barrygoffe 5 лет назад

Nice video. really appreciate the pro/cons explanation. What a gorgeous ride! Incredibly jealous!!!

@gcntech 5 лет назад

Thanks Barry

@henrikerdland578 5 лет назад

Since I live in rainy Denmark, I would go for disc brakes

@korsveien 4 года назад

Ha ha. Denmark has No Hills. It doesn’t rain a lot in Denmark. There is absolutely no need for disc brakes. I live in the fjords of Norway. Mountains a 1000 meters high and more rain in a day than you got in a month. If I lived in Denmark I would definitely go for rim brakes. Only reason I chose disc was because descending a mountain in rain, dirt and grit really eats up your rims fast. I already wore out two discs!!

@henrikerdland578 4 года назад

@@korsveien I understand there is a lot you don't know about Denmark. We do have steep hills, some up to 25%. Not far from where I live we have an annual race called Grejsdalløbet there is 140 km rute with a total elevation on 2155 m. And a 210 km rute with a total elevation on 2996 m. I can tell you I did this race for couple of years ago in rain on my rim brake bike with carbon wheels, it was scary. By the way, I am sorry Mr. Norway but Trondheim - Oslo is a 540 km long rute but only with total elevation on 3627 m, and you call this "styrkeprøven" It is a matter of definition if you think it is raining a lot in Denmark. Thank's God it doesn't rain as much as in Norway.😄

@korsveien 4 года назад

Denmark’s highest “mountain” is 170 meters! Denmark is as flat as pancake 🥞.

@henrikerdland578 4 года назад

Kjetil Korsveien We don’t have mountains in Denmark, but I will not Call it flat. We have some serious steep Hills. As you can see on the elevations in the bikerace I mentioned we will have to have some steep hills otherwise it would not be possible. Just to mention, Henrik Djernis is former 4 time mountainbike World champion, an he is from Denmark. A country without mountains

@brucelangsteiner4599 5 лет назад

I’ve used rim brakes since I started racing back in 1979. I owned a gravel bike for a bit and didn’t care for the weight or handling. However, the disc brakes were quite nice. Maybe a lighter gravel bike is in my future. 😁

@harrycockroft8966 5 лет назад

My s-works Tarmac disc weighs 6.8 kg

@MilanSmore 3 года назад

Could have been lighter w/o right?

@cristibaluta 3 года назад

I'm building a road/treking bike now and wondered which way to go, but weight, price and the fact that i'm an amateur convinces me i don't need disk brakes.

@davidide1525 5 лет назад

I’m with you on rim brakes Ollie, (horses for courses). Surprised you’re not tubeless?

@OllieBridgewood 5 лет назад

David Ide The zipp rims were not tubeless compatible. However I have been using visions recently with the conti 5000 tl. Really rate them. Data I have seen suggest they are very fast rollingtoo

@mattgies 5 лет назад

Very rarely do I thumb-down a video, but I did on this one. And this excerpt is why: "I have to stress that I do believe disc brakes are for better braking performance in all conditions. But, I'm not being paid to race, if I race, and I don't feel like I want to take unnecessary risks when the roads are slippery." If the disc brake is better in all conditions, then *riding with rim brakes is, itself, taking an unnecessary risk*. Just don't allow yourself to ride more aggressively on account of having the disc brakes, and you will be safer by having them. Or, in other words, don't succumb to "risk homeostasis".

@OllieBridgewood 5 лет назад

Matthew Gies better at braking, however inferior in other ways outlined in the video. For The racing I would do in the UK I wouldn’t require disc brakes. If I were racing down mountains, I’d quite like them!

@stufftie88 4 года назад

Rim brakes for ever!!! Easy to fix, easy to handle, easy to refresh, light weight, easy to clean, no overheating problems aaaand ... cheaper. Also I can't find anything good about blocking weels on descending rides. I need turning wheels even in panic situations. And even the rim brakes manage to block. So: no difference between those two systems here.

@matteocamilleri9013 4 года назад

totally agree 🤘 here other good rasons to choose RIM 🙌 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LxMPKJPCD40.html

@CharlieDeltaEchoVict 3 года назад

Good video and absolutely fair choice of stoppers. My only concern is that rim brakes will wear through the rims after a few years which is a painful and expensive replacement.

@dirkbodschard3961 5 лет назад

Congrats for your new bike. Hope you will enjoy the rides

@sunnyhu4855 5 лет назад

Nice bike Ollie. What a discovery. We are of the same height.. I can take the same bike measurements. Thanks for sharing your new bike. Awesome.

@phacharawut 5 лет назад

I still stick with my rim brakes. I use disc on my gravel bike. To each his own...

@Owwliv 3 года назад

I'm about to order a custom steel gravel/touring bike with canti studs... I just find V brakes to be so, so simple and powerful that I can't live without them. So visible and easy to fix- esp for touring/ very long rides, when you're very tired and something is up with your brakes- you can just see what it is with rim brakes. Additionally, the new 8mm cable pull on newer shimano sti's actually works with full sized V brakes, even if it doesn't really make sense. Though it helps to run road pads on them... Not sure I understand it, but it works. (it shouldn't, as the cable pull on V's is 15mm). Now I just have to hope they keep making rim brake rims.... I may have a disc mount added to the frame, just to future proof it a little. I think that can be done very lightly.

@ECTproCycling 5 лет назад

about time someone stated some valuable points on brakes without just following the the sheep of the latest tech trends.

@drifterxl12 5 лет назад

Resistance is futile 🤣, just a matter of time. Like he said, it's in his head that he still wants rim brakes.... 1 year max and he is over

@ECTproCycling 5 лет назад

@@drifterxl12 As soon they make a disk wheel with a Quick Realse for fast wheel changes and a bigger gap between the disc and the pads, I'm 100% in!

@phillip2169 4 года назад

Why is it a trend of vehicles know that disc brakes stop better? Motorcycles stopped in large part using drum brakes in favour of disc a long time ago other than cheap hold outs. They feel worse to stop with

@Vam1500 4 года назад

I have disc brakes on my gravel bike. When I go back to my road bike which has rim brakes, the braking isn’t as strong but I like the road bike with rim brakes because it feels right and I never worry about rubbing. Kind of relief to have a simpler system for that bike.

@bartdrozdek3356 5 лет назад

I just wanted to say that last night I got a rim job!

@kevin_du_92 3 года назад

Thank you for a reasonable point of view on the question. What is unreasonnnable remains that manufacturers (Pinarello and others not included) kind of force us to get disc breaks, for their business model's sake and not for the sports's sake. That's a shame.

@donball370 5 лет назад

Great review Dr.Ollie. Even with the rim brake clock ticking down, I'll have 2 F12's please, one rim, one disk version please 😁

@zaheerkader7426 5 лет назад

Rim brakes are obviously faster than disc brakes..hence why the ineos team use the rim brake version. Good choice!

@cjharrer01 5 лет назад

Absolutely a rim brake bike - looks great! As you say, there are valid reasons for disc brakes, but as you explained, you have rim brakes for a reason. Nice choice and beautiful bike Ollie!

@MicheleFerrariAX 5 лет назад

chooses rim brakes to save a couple of hundred grams for climbing... meanwhile over at GMBN presenter does everest challenge on 150 mm enduro bike :)

@Sills71 4 года назад

Rim brakes save a lot more than "couple of hundred" grams... more like over 500 grams

@daray666 4 года назад

@@Sills71 Ehm... isn't 500gr a couple of hundred grams? Isn'tr any number between 200 and 999 grams "a couple of hundred grams"?

@callum5106 4 года назад

@@daray666 "A couple of hundred grams" refers to 200 grams. The only way what you're saying could possibly make sense would be if he had said "A couple of hundreds of grams", and nobody says that.

@l.a7990 5 лет назад

Said like a true champ!! All ur points were valid and made perfect sense!!

@jaimefccosta 5 лет назад

I do like disc brakes, but there was a fantastic promotion on the Pinarello F10 with rim brakes, and with the possibility of getting my dream bike, i didn’t look back. I sold my merida reacto disc and bought my unicorn 😅 very pleased with it. Next time i upload please show my bike in the bike vault @gcntech

@iancanuckistan2244 5 лет назад

I chose rim brakes because they are lighter I swapped out the bottom bracket and cranks and they are a bit heavier.

@WowRixter 5 лет назад

Totally agree Ollie. All valid points, especially if you're riding the F12 mostly in dry conditions

@shred3005 5 лет назад

Disc brakes on a road bike are just too finicky and fragile. I’m running latest Ultegra disc on one bike and Ultegra rim brake on my older bike and the little problems with disc rotor rub is driving me crazy. I don’t want to hear by brakes unless I’m using them and that’s rarely the case with disc. You fiddle and get them silent, no rub, then on the first heavy brake the rotors start to rub again, then they stop, then the rub again. Ching, Ching, Ching. The noises go away. Then they come back. You do a full adjust, spread the Calipers, all is good. Then as soon as you give the brakes a bit of moderate use, Ching, Ching, Ching. Rubbing rotor again. Goes away. Comes back. Again, and again and fcuk’n again.... that’s life with disc brakes

@stevenleffanue 5 лет назад

Hi Brett. Align the caliper(s) first. Now take out the pads & spring. Pull apart the spring with fingers a tad which causes pads to come away from rotor more efficiently. Done.

@shred3005 5 лет назад

oz cycle thanks. I’ve played with that before but I’ll give it another crack. I was expecting perfection with Ultegra 8000. My kids cheap Aldi MTB with Tektro hydraulic have no issues whatsoever!

@shred3005 5 лет назад

oz cycle took your advice. I’d gently tried opening out the copier spring a bit before but obviously it wasn’t much. Pulled the spring open more this time and it seems to have done the trick. Nice tip thanks 👍

@deltanovember2296 4 года назад

They’re definitely not too fragile, don’t worry about that. Once you build confidence in working with them you will find that they are very mechanically simple. In terms of durability, I can only say that I have tried to destroy a set on my mtb and failed so far, so no worries there. The best tip I was given was that you must never touch them without gloves on, unless you enjoy hearing the death cries of a fox each time you pull up.

@chrisfawcett6426 5 лет назад

Agree with everything you said Ollie. Have just ordered a Look 765 with rim breaks to replace my Look KG451 in the mountains! Hopefully my Mavic Ksyrium ES wheel set will accept an 11 speed freewheel body. ... Don't need the weight and hassle of disk breaks (gave up bleeding breaks on Morris Minors 40 years ago!)

@terbennett 5 лет назад

You're right. Disc and rim brakes both have their advantages and disadvantages. My preference are rim brakes. Living in So California, we have excellent weather most of the year and many foothills and mountains to climb. I just swap between my carbon and alloy wheels. In fact, my carbon wheels are mostly race day wheels but I do use them on weekend rides on occasion.

@Whitehawkvisionfilms 2 года назад

I would love to see you do "The Ultimate Rib Brake Video" ! I want to know how they work with carbon wheels, how to best use them on downhills and weather, upkeep and maintenance, better or different types of pads, if you are racing disc guys how would you maybe ride differenetly, etc...

@davidpatino7721 5 лет назад

I recently bought a F10 and elected to go with disc brake. I live in south Florida where we get alot of rain and no mountains. So, my thinking was disc brakes were the way to go. Love your bike though. Keep up the great work.

@golosowelovegelato8650 4 года назад

Rim brakes 4 ever mainly for 2 reasons: Reliability and Semplicity I found another interesting video about Rim VS Disc especially at: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LxMPKJPCD40.html 1:33 allan-key set 1:38 wheels weight (acceleration) 1:47 real needs (if you ride to win you have to brake as less as possible 👊🔥👊) 2:08 asymmetry

@carlosnogueira7320 3 года назад

This F12 in GCN colors is AMAZING!!!

@larsfrandsen2501 2 года назад

I agree on all counts. Plus you can now get some wicked second-hand gear at a fraction of the price. Same goes for ten speed, etc. Good enough for me.

@SeaJayBelfast 5 лет назад

Personally I'm a no-brakes guy. Totally removing the brakes saves weight, improves aero and just looks more pro.

@ashking01 5 лет назад

And riding on your back wheel is that much easier because of the reduced weight up front.

@ryanotte6737 5 лет назад

Totally pro-level move there.

@rickhuff9030 5 лет назад

When I compared the 2, rim brake was hands down the best for me. I've been on my 2018 F10, with Campy EPS for a year and a half now and it is, by a landslide, the best bike I've ever ridden.

@twatts4436 5 лет назад

Current set up with rim brakes in the summer, disc brakes in the winter is fine. But if I were to replace the summer bike it would absolutely have disc brakes.

@kwtnbe 5 лет назад

Rim brakes any day, except for riding in the rain/wet.

@iberiksoderblom 5 лет назад

I've been riding with rims in all kind of weather, since the early 70's. No problem !

@romankhrypunov3572 5 лет назад

Same. Disk brakes aren't future and usually just a useless headache.

@rodneymcintosh1484 5 лет назад

@@iberiksoderblom good for you! Do you want a medal?

@rodneymcintosh1484 5 лет назад

@@romankhrypunov3572 commenting on personal experience or just antedotes of others who have never had disc brakes?

@scoopermg8226 5 лет назад

@@iberiksoderblom I've been using a small boy to clean my chimney for almost 100 years. It works just fine so why would I change?

@VelosaJr 4 года назад

Totally agree with you.. disc is the future so if you are buying a new bike .. its almost has to be a disc bike. But I still dont have it... I have my Cube Litening C68 SL with rim brake!

@JasCar1967 5 лет назад

I chose rim brakes on my new road bike, because where I live there are lots of hills

@jcar2412 4 года назад

I fought the whole disc brake "fade", but now i moved to mountains i've changed my mind. Hauling ass on descents is my reward for the climbing. It's nice to have the extra stopping power. Still will never go electric shifters. I'm a SRAM fan b/c i liove how mechanical it feels. Also just makes me feel disconnected from bike

@ducman748996 5 лет назад

Beautiful bike! Congrats!! You chose a road bike, the way a rode bike should be and always will, no need to justify it. 👍🏽

@larsborgman3443 5 лет назад

team ineos rides rim brakes so it has to be faster

@Dexxyh 5 лет назад

Of course it's faster. They also ride on closed roads. What about you? Imo it's simply the case that pro's have different requirements and the average consumer should in most instances ignore their choices with regards to equipment (not even talking sponsorship here)

@Dexxyh 5 лет назад

@@StopTheRotI think we agree

@jonathanwallis903 5 лет назад

Last tour ( this year) Alaphillipe was on disc brakes. Remember when he epically descended an reconnected with the GC contender group? No one else was on discs. I think we’re going to see the rest of the peloton move to discs quite quickly now, after that.

@TurnLeftNow 4 года назад

i live in sunny hilly California, I'm in the strava top 10s of many of our local descents, which are all at least 500m vertical, some even 1000m vertical, and at least 8% avg, with plenty of 15%+ stuff, and LOTS of twists and turns, way more than the alpine roads the pro tour rides. I have NEVER wished i could brake harder: that's not what makes you go down faster. But rather, downhill speed is about how hard you're willing to lean the bike in corners, which depends on grip, tire, your own skill. When it rains i just switch to my alloy rims, which function just fine, because i'm not RACING downhill in the rain, just riding for pleasure. Also, it takes a LOT to wear out a rim, my rain rims (which i've been riding for 2 yrs now) can still stop hard enough to throw me over the bike. And if i do eventually wear them out, i don't need new wheels, just new rims (which are like $40) so the long run cost argument is also b.s. I believe that you only think you need disk brakes if you lack skill and confidence (they still wont make you fast: i blow by disk brake bikes on downhills ALL THE TIME), unless you're racing down mountain passes in the rain (in which case, you have other issues)

@MrRobroxnz 5 лет назад

Agreed, I have a gravel bike with disks for crap weather and dirt roads etc, but for my racing bike I would only go rim. Would only have disk on my road bike if there wasn't a weight penalty.

@g.fortin3228 5 лет назад

I like my new(upgraded my brakes) Ultegra rim brakes..(and also quiet threaded BB, on a 2018 Specialized) I dont live in the mountains, I'm near the shore. They stop beautiful. And Love that bike of yours !

@m4rc10 5 лет назад

Rim brakes ever!!

@georgecarter1168 5 лет назад

If I was being given a bike I'd choose rim, if I was buying new it would be disk. It's where the market is heading and i believe the disk break variants of current bikes will hold value better.