My love of 70's punk rock is a huge part of WhyNotGo and I try to tell stories that give you my perspective as a fan during that time, along with many insights and stories you may have never heard before.
I’m 72 the punk scene here never took off till 78/79 .. but I remember seeing the Pistols in 76 on TV on the Thames singing God Save The Queen, I hated the disco garbage. I got a Mohawk hair cut, I mostly had no shirt leather pants & studded belt, tattoos, I guess I looked a bit rough, but punk was all about attitude, I never picked a fight. But it was a very self destructive time in my life, if I knew I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself😂 Enjoyed your video, I’m like you I wonder what happened to people, just watched a video on the Slits Johns stepdaughter, who sadly died of cancer.
Yes, there's a recent photo of Steve, Paul and Glen in front of one in Notting Hill Gate. I think Steve loves them and misses them since he lives in L.A. I love them too.
Interesting. Although I remember him saying onstage "this one's dedicated to my honey, Nancy." I think she came out just before he did "I wanna Be Your Dog." Anyway, that's on the record, so I think it might be from that show. Unless maybe he said the same thing at other shows too. I thought it was funny that he called her "my honey." Thanks for watching!
I remember when John lived in the Gunter Grove house in c.1978-1982 I used to pass it quite often back then and it was very run down and all the exterior painted parts were a really dull dirty dark red colour and all the paint was peeling off,and as you noted it didn`t have any kind of railings or safety rail around the flat roof area where we saw pictures of him him and PiL hanging out and boozing it up,he`s lucky nobody ever went over the edge!
How interesting that you were walking down that street back then. Outside, it doesn't look that nice now, to be honest. Some of the houses on the street look a little run down, even though it's very expensive. It's a very busy street. Yes, no railings back then at all! In one photo, Lydon has one leg over the edge.
Crazy London house prices,the one you showed at 48 Cheyne Walk which Jagger bought in 1967 for £50,000 would be more like £20 Million now! The one next door,number 47 sold way back in 2011 for £11.5m!
I know! I wonder if he regrets selling it. This was my favorite of the Stones houses. It's such a sweet house, not too big, and it's tucked away on a quiet part of Cheyne Walk, in front of a park so it doesn't get the noise from the Embankment. Just lovely.
I am a little late to this party however loving your channel. In the early 70's my uncle would go to a club called Friars in Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire and tell me about David Bowie. He also did his first show as Ziggy before letting Ziggy and the Spiders from Mars loose on the world. There is a bronze sculpture of David Bowie in Aylesbury's market square. I also remember watching on TV the news reporter saying that David had done his last show as Ziggy I cried and cried, my mum was horrified that I was so upset by this pop star announcing no more Ziggy Stardust. oohh to be 13 again lol. Love Punk, Pistols and really enjoying your channel.
Thanks for tuning in! How legendary that he launched Ziggy Stardust in Alylesbury. I'm glad they honor him with a sculpture. That's fantastic. I was 15 when I saw the Ziggy tour at the Hollywood Palladium and I'll never forget a few months later when he announced his retirement, my mother said something like "well at least you won't be wasting your time listening to him anymore." How wrong she was!
Another great video!..I noticed you referenced my comment from an earlier video about Johhny Rotten/Lydon still having a property in London,I won`t say exactly where it is but it is a three-storey terraced house in a quiet street running just off of Fulham Palace Road very near the Fulham Football Club stadium and my own house in Stevenage Road which is why I see him around the area occasionally because he stays in his house when he`s touring England.And when here on other music business matters too I expect.😁
Oh yes, that was you! Thanks for that info. It's so interesting how he has stayed in the same area all of these years, that's why I mentioned it in the video. He was probably tired of busy Gunter Grove and chose a nice quiet street in Fulham instead. I love Fulham. I once stayed with friends in a flat on a busy street in Fulham, I can't remember the name, but I thought the entire area was so charming. I remember walking up and down the high street. Thanks again!
Hi Maggie fantastic value and informative video darling. I think it is my favourite one so far. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Every rock star is someone I admire. Brilliant stuff ❤😂🎉
*The Pistols albums here are all pretty good. It's the Pistols, after all. I bought a few 'bootleg' albums of them that sounded absolutely horrendous (recording-wise), because I was after a version of the 'heavy' song on the movie 'Rock n Roll Swindle' (this was before I had 'Bollocks'). Never found it, though (it was 'Bodies'). It's hard to go wrong with the Pistols and towards the end, with songs like 'Bodies' and 'Belsen', they were really getting into excellently dark, sarcastic territory. A shame they split ... but not really*
*Rotten + Vicious both joined Sex Pistols, so it doesn't matter which John was chosen. Lydon was by far the superior lyricist and persona, though. He definitely started the whole 'punk' thing with his attitude alone. McLaren deserves credit for being the snake oil salesman that he always was, too - and NO, he didn't create OR manage the band AT ALL*
Another fantastic vlog. I really enjoy your Punk knowledge and experiences. I'm doing a Maida Vale/Little Venice vlog in the next few weeks talking about The Clash and Pistols. Please can I mention your vlog here when covering areas you visited?
Come across your channel through this video. I've looked at your other titles and they are my sort of films. I've subscribed and I'm going to have fun working my way through them. My own London punk story was connected to Step Forward records in Dryden Chambers on Oxford Street. The Sex Pistols had their office upstairs. Worked for a brief time with Kim Turner, who would go on to road manage The Police and then co-manage Sting. Great and very talented geezer. Worked a Chelsea/ATV tour in '77. That was hilarious.
Thanks for watching and subscribing! I really appreciate it. Since you worked at Dryden Chambers, I would recommend watching my "I followed the Sex Pistols on tour" video because I mention in it going to Malcolm's office to deliver a jacket to Steve Jones from their Los Angeles rep. This was Aug. 1977. I met his secretary Sophie Richmond. How cool that you worked in the same building at Step Forward! And on the Chelsea/ATV tour! I'm going to do another Malcolm video soon. I remember going up some narrow stairs to Glitterbest, Do you remember what floor Malcolm was on? I think it was the 2nd or 3rd (with the first floor being ground level), but I can't recall for sure. Do you remember people coming and going from Glitterbest? The band maybe? What a great time to be working there! Thanks again. Maggie
@@WhyNotGoPlaces The Pistols office was above Step Forward which was on the 2nd floor so I would say they were on the 3rd floor. Of course there were several labels working from Dryden all under Miles Copeland. Sham 69 were one band, before they signed to Polydor, Jimmy Pursey was always there and the Sniffin' Glue peopel were there. I'm not sure who was the fastest talker, Pursey or Danny Baker. I did speak to Sophie once on the phone but that was later on when I tried to book the Pistols for a gig up north when the narrative Malcolm was putting out was they were banned from playing in the UK.
@@WhyNotGoPlaces My mind started to go back to those days after commenting on your video. I think it must have been in the first part of '77 when I contacted the Pistols office, before GSTQ came out, as I remember the SPOTS dates later in the year. I think the Chelsea / ATV tour was August-time. One of the funniest things ever was watching Mark Perry trying to stride down the mean streets of Glasgow wearing his bondage pants. ATV were so good then, way better than Chelsea. Did you ever hear their "The Image Has Cracked" album? I remember The SPOTS playing at Lafayettes in Wolverhampton at that time I wonder if that was the gig you missed? No I left my offer with Sophie. She said she would let Malcolm know but I never heard back. I don't think he wanted them playing in the UK at that time. It fitted in better with the story he was spinning. I have watched your US Tour video and enjoyed your remembrances. Brilliant memories to have . . . and photos too. I remember chatting with Debbie Juvenile at a gig one time, she was stunning and was the main attraction in the room. I shall have to watch your Bromley Contingent film next! As I said before I enjoyed your houses film. When we were 17/18 and messing about with being in bands etc. the flat at Edith Grove held real iconic status and we dreamed of living together as a band like Mick, Keith & Brian. I have made a short video of my own about when I met Keith at Redlands. It's called "Meeting Keith Richards" on my channel "Dodger's Trips" if that interests you. Sorry for going on some, it's not often I get to talk about those times.
@@DodgersTrips I will watch your channel! Yes I think it was the Wolverhampton gig I missed. It sounds familiar. It was outside of london, that I know for sure. So your story proves that Malcolm was spinning the banned narrative. So interesting!
Yet another sincerely made video from great aficionado Maggie. I'm vicariously visiting London via Maggie's videos. Being from near Manchester, I only went to London a few times, in the '70s and '80s for concerts and Alice in Wonderland club events. I left Britain in the mid '80s and have been living in Asia since, with few visits back to England. Therefore it's great to be viewing these sights from Maggie while currently in India through the miracles of technology. Thank you sooooo much, Maggie for introducing me to me to parts of Britain I've personally never been to! Onyaz!!!
Thanks for watching and the compliment! I remember the Alice in Wonderland club but I don't think I went there. I did go to the Batcave in the summer of 1985. That was also a great time in music. Thanks again!
@@WhyNotGoPlaces I remember the Alice in Wonderland club,I think it was in the same converted old house in Soho on the corner of Dean Street and Meard Street in the same rooms known as Gossips which hosted the clubs I went to after gigs around the corner in Wardour Street at the Marquee Club such as Batcave Club,the Pipeline Club,Buttz n`Spikes Club,Gaz`s Rockin` Blues club .The building had nightclubs in it as far back as the 1950s when it was called The Gargoyle Club and artists like Francis Bacon used to hang out there.
Agreed. I read somewhere that 'Bodies' was a 'pro-hardcore' song. I understand what was meant, but that's probably a very real stretch. 'Belsen' is also right alongside it, too
I think of Punk Rock as very much like wine - '76 is a very good vintage. Where is the scan of the Stig at the gig? What was Michelle's impressions of the infamous glass throwing? Not that I like to dwell on such things, but no one seems to tell the same story. Many thanks, great fun to eavesdrop and never tire of tales of Punk London and elsewhere. Glad you're a Prisoner fan too! Very apt that rude language is punishable in that establishment. Unmutual! BCNU!
Thanks as always for watching! Do you mean the photo of Michelle at the 100 Club? I couldn't find it online but apparently it's in a Clash pink coffee table book. The photo I thought was at the 100 Club was actually at the ICA clash gig. I'm guessing that's in the same book. I forgot to ask about the glass throwing incident! Darn! That was the 2nd night when The Damned headlined. In Viv Albertine's book, she talks about it. She was very close to Sid. She said that at first Sid said he didn't throw it, and then he admitted to her later that it was in fact him. All this is in her autobiography "clothes, music, boys." It's a great book on the early scene. Yes, I love the Prisoner. One day I'll make it to Port Meirion. I did visit the flat in the beginning scene where he drives up in his yellow sports car. That was a thrill. Be seeing you! Maggie
Thank you! I agree. It's crazy expensive there now. And I liked the way he had it before as well. Rock'n'roll and casual. Now it looks like a hotel inside.
I did not know Sid lived at the Chelsea Cloisters. That's so interesting! Do you know any other details? Maybe Malcolm put him there before he got him that nice house in Maida Vale. It's a huge building with many apartments. Someone here said that Syd Barrett lived there after he left Pink Floyd. Yes, I remember Lydon saying he was hassled by the police and that's why he left London. I should have mentioned that in the video. Thanks for watching!
I see from your "Be seeing you" badge that you are a Prisoner Fan! (1960's Patrick Mcgoohan show), it was filmed in Potmeirion North Wales, since you're over here....Why not go? well worth a visit.😉
Next time! I do love that show and I will make it up to Portmeirion at some point. It looks so beautiful. We did go to the spot in London that was the opening shot on the show, where he drives up to the flat in that fancy yellow sports car and is chased by the black car. It's very close to Buckingham Palace on a quiet street. Thanks for watching!
@@WhyNotGoPlacesThat's right its very close by the palace, and mostly unchanged! Portmeirion is a really special place, try and stay there either in the hotel or one of the apartments, once all the daytime visitors leave I think its 4.30pm, the only people there are those staying in the village, so its really amazing, almost like the show! maybe hire a lotus 7 sports car for the visit, I look forward to seeing your video of it!
Bowie is from beckenham, the borough of bromley, he lived big house, haddon hall, thats now demolished, he went same school as peter frampton, I’m from beckenham, in 1971 i was a paper boy, in early mornings 6 am on my bicycle i used to pick up news papers from w h smiths in beckenham high st, and my news paper round included foxgrove road and southend road beckenham road where bowies house was.
That's so interesting! Did you deliver papers to his house? It looked like it was a beautiful place. I read that there's a plaque somewhere in Bromley for Bowie. I think it's at his old school. Thanks for watching!
@@WhyNotGoPlaces i never delivered to that house, haddon hall, as far as i remember,. Bowies house backed onto beckenham tennis, cricket, croquet club, where in 70s were held a famous pre Wimbledon grass court tournament! Beckenham lawn tennis tournament, in 1974/5 i used climb over the fence to get in, spent all beautiful summer days in there, major players there, i saw jimmy connors, arthur ashe, stan smith, evon goolagong, and lot of other top players ahead of the Wimbledon tournament. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxgrove_Road,_Beckenham
I top my hat and admire your passion. Not far from Gunter Grove is Beaufort road where on the corner of the Kings road was the 'Beaufort Market' which if not run was chaperoned by Jock McDonald. This was one of the most important visits on a saturday afternoon on the obligatory stroll of attitude and contempt almost as important as the Punk membership badge (safety pin). Forty seven years later I would love to read other peoples recollections of ''those days they visited'
I never went to Beaufort Market but I have heard people mention it. My friend Michelle Brigandage mentioned it in the interview I did recently with her. I'm guessing it had lots of stalls with different kinds of clothes? I think at the same corner was the Roebuck Pub where the Sex Pistols met Lydon for the first time. I talk about that in my Kings Road video. Thanks for watching!
@@WhyNotGoPlaces It was an indoor market and held a collection of stalls like you reference but also selling Fanzines which were a must have along with bootleg albums which were a must have if you wanted that edge in your collection. Saturdays was a stroll down from Sloane Square via the drugstore and flea market onto the beaufort and then every other week up to Chelsea FC hanging in the Bovril bar Shed End hoping to see Joe Strummer (never saw him at a match).
@@WhyNotGoPlaces You guess correctly,Beaufort Market was quite similar to Kensington Market with lots of little stalls if you remember that one.Not as good though!!
All homes look much the same as that when people have paid a fortune to a high-falutin`interior designer to "design" them,to me they`re boring and all look much the same,no personal items on display,they just look like expensive hotel rooms.
Although we were West Ham kids from east London and we could have got beaten up by Chelsea fans . It was dodgy with football hooligan rivals then and might still be . Go to a jazz club near there sometimes , the 606 club on lots road .
It might be slightly dodgy in places. We had a guy walk up to us drinking a beer and hassling us for money around World's End. I like it around there though. It seems like a more normal area, where perhaps average people still live.
Good result on the hotel room . Wished I had known that John lived at Gunter in 1979 and into the 1980s I was around there as a 13 year old and loved punk . We could have knocked for John and I could have jammed a bit since I was playing guitar. What a shame ha ha .
Thanks again for watching Mike! How great you lived in the area at that time. I love Chelsea. Gunter Grove isn't as posh looking as other Chelsea streets, but I guess it's still very expensive.
There are books and lists all over the Internet showing where all the "blue plaque buildings" are located if people want to find them,and the people who live in them are well aware of that when they buy them,there`s nothing secretive about them lol
What a lovely vid, interesting as well...I'm a massive Stones fan so I'll have to pop down to see Edith Grove/Chelsea from Edinburgh sometime. Keep up the good work 👌🎵
Thanks for watching! I loved visiting their Edith Grove flat because of that early publicity photo shot in the street. I bet they never could have imagined what happened in the coming years. So historic!
*If you think he looks like Steve Jones, then he does. He's male, white and tall. Though, by that definition, I think all the members really look like the Sex Pistols*
*Of course, Rotten knew he had protection when he was being snarky and offensive. He's always had a group to protect his scrawny little behind. I think he's a sharp, funny, intelligent guy, but he's as flawed us any of us. He's either a masochist or foolish, but he's always been a provocateur by telling the truth all the same. After reading his autobiographies and hearing his contradictory statements over the years, well, I take what he says with a fair, few grains of salt. I'll always respect the things he says, though. He certainly plays up to his 'rotten' persona, too. He's vividly aware of his position as an 'elder statesman', that's for sure. I'd put money on him being really egotistical, too. He's gone through so many musicians with PiL that it should be a crime. Once the original lineup left, PiL weren't the same anymore, and I stopped listening to the 'Johnny Rotten Show'. Some songs were great, but overall, they were very listless. He'll forever be known as a Sex Pistol, regardless of his admonitions to the contrary, and he no doubt secretly loves it (though he'd never admit it). He's definitely been engrained with the 'class system' of Britain, as he's forever letting us know that he's 'working class' and 'made it out'. Hurrah for him. The rest of the world neither understands such a statement nor its value, but it's on onerous achievement for him, nonetheless. Then there's the meningitis he suffered, when he lost all his memory. Ho hum. Every single interview we need to hear his (quite frankly) sanctimonious bleating for sympathy (though he'd never admit that, either), when it's completely his own private information. We all have our hardships in life, but he's had a spectacularly 'easy' ride of it. Then there's the shouting anybody down who sees differently from him, much like a tantrum-throwing child, letting us all know his/the truth. He's more often than not correct, it's just his immature way of getting it across that 's very annoying and uncomfortable. More often than not, he's had too much to drink, and sounds as embarrassing as an old drunk trying to chat up a young woman in front of her husband. More power to him for his bravery, he's obviously never been 'put in his place (due to his protectors/yes-men mentioned earlier)* *John Lydon is a speaker of truth and a brave, reckless one, at that. Sometimes that's necessary to cut through all the bull. He gives good copy and is thoroughly entertaining. His charisma spurned a 'movement' and assured his life in the 'performing arts'. He'll be a touchstone for people well after he's left this mortal coil, as he's left an indelible mark on our very confused and repetitive culture*
Nice bag that you wore with the yellow banana on of Andy Warhol, the legendary cover art of that 1st Velvet Underground album, one of the greatest albums made of course together with Never Mind the Bollocks haha. I just started a new video of you and that lady said they played that Velvet Underground album completely in one go on that radio station! Great!!
Thanks for watching! I got that bag at the Andy Warhol museum in Pittsburgh. Yes, I love Warhol and The Velvets. I have a video where I visit one of his Factory locations and also his residence in NYC. I loved Andy Warhol and met him at a screening of BAD in 1977 in Los Angeles. He seemed shy and sweet. Thanks again!
I remember Jah Wobble talking about Lydon living at Gunter grove. He said that he Would play music by the German band Can at unearthly volume. He thought the neighbours must have been terrified of John, because of his reputation in the press. As they never once complained about the volume. Even when it was the early hours. The track, keep banging the door, by PIL. Is about this flat. He was pissed that the public had found out where he lived, and a steady stream of punks and looney's would show up at all hours, banging on his door. It was this reason, and the constant attention of the Metropolitan police drug squad, that forced him to sell up and move to America.
Very nice video; indeed mùsic history! It"s nice to see how they lived. I prefer also the 1978 version of Lydon's house. You can find here a pile of cans under my table haha. That couch would have many stories to tell I guess! I adore that terrace on top of that building! The air is so much better up there. I recognized the building of the Rolling Stones, these greek pillars. Funny that you said that there was a big change in their bank accounts from 1963 to 1967. They had their hit Satisfaction in 1964, which was big in the USA, but not in England, because of it"q lyrics. English radiostations at first refused to play that song. Nice to see where Bowie lived. I collect his records. For me it's Bowie who is the artist of the 20th century, not Elvis! Bowie was a globetrotter: I am a landtrotter, I lived already in many places in Belgium; Aalst, Bruges, Antwerp, Gent. Looking forward for a new video! I wish you and your friend a nice weekend! Greetings Jason
Thanks for watching! I really appreciate it. Yes, Lydon's couch looks like it witnessed a lot of fun! I loved visiting where The Stones lived because that's where they started out. So historical.
ok, fan of LYDON, stones NO NOPE, BOWIE, LIKE HIM IN THE 80S, BUT AFTER FINDING OUT HE WAS PART TIME GAYLOR, AND INTO BLACK MAGIK I SAID ME FAN NO MORE OF BOWIE, BUT LYDON, YES BIG FAN OF THE PISTOLS(WHO KILLED BAMBI, HOPE NO ONE),..............MARIUS(PUNK RULES).
Jah Wobble threatened Sid and Nancy with an axe at Gunter Grove. Lydon had lots of interesting visitors including reggae musicians, composer John Barry and Les McKeown of Bay City Rollers.
Les McKeown of the Bay City Rollers? That's funny! I wonder why Jah Wobble threatened them with an axe? Party must have gotten out of control! Thanks again for watching.
@@WhyNotGoPlacesProbably didn't want junkies around. I have just downloaded the audiobook of Wobble's new updated autobiography so hopefully it'll be in there.
Appparently Polly used to freak John out talking about supernatural stuff she was either into or had experienced and it scared John so much he wanted to avoid her even though he always spoke highly of her music and her band, infact X-Ray Specs and The Slits are the only bands he ever really championed so was surprised to hear that story about locking her in a closet.
That story was in her documentary. My guess is that Sid probably did it, but who knows. Apparently she had some mental health issues because it also said that later she was in a mental institution for awhile. Later in life she lived in the Hastings area and was friends with Viv Albertine. I always liked her music as well. Thanks for watching!
@@WhyNotGoPlaces If the "Pauline" in Bodies wasn't from Birmingham i'd swear it must be Polly. There's a mental home just outside Hastings in Bexhill aswell and the Pauline actress in the Pistol mini-series looks like her aswell. 🤔
@@mjh5437 i was only speculating.....but thanks, it's always good when someone who was there and then chimes in with the actual facts. Even Steve who shagged her never confirmed what you just did, so thanks again for spreading your wisdom. It's incredible nobody has ever not once contacted you about the many many many documetaries. 🤷♂️
@@londonlion5179 Sid and Nancy have been dead for years and Johnny has been alive for years. Now why is everyone finding that so confusing? It's plain enough to me
Syd Barrett lived in Chelsea Cloisters for several years after leaving Pink Floyd. I think Sid and Nancy also stayed there a few nights. Apparently Sid and Lydon tried to meet him there but he wasn't interested.
@@pablozewoppa Syd used to be seen drinking (always alone) in the pub near CC , now a wine bar or eaterie I think. He left one night in summer 1982 and walked back to Cambridge! CC was also the hotel the Vatican banker Roberto Calvi was staying in when he was murdered under Blackfriars Bridge also summer 1982.
