Thanks Keith. This is a really great video for someone like me that’s starting out with JNats. Lots of good information here. I wish that I found it earlier.
Hi Keith. Could you elaborate a little about those "black Thuringians" you showed at the end of the vid? I have several of those in 1x5x.5 inch. They seem a little harder and courser than my blue/green and dark blue Thuries...but they cut faster. I use them right before finishing on my thuries. They were sold as Swedensteins...is there any truth to that assertion? Thanks.
Not much to elaborate on really, those in the video were from the end of Thuringian hone production after Escher had to find a new location to quarry. Schwedenstein stones were something else, coming from much older strata. Typically not as fine as the Escher type hones.
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Hi, thank you for contacting me. The redirect notice you are seeing is because my set up routes messages through karelia.com. I have it set up like this for security reasons. That is my web host, not a Phishing site. The message from your browser is probably related to an outdated certificate of some type, which is something I do not have access to. I am probably going to take the contact page down when I have the time.
I finally had a chance to order that book on Japanese sword polishing that you had mentioned several years ago in an older video. I can’t wait until it gets here. Great video !
Never knew the rockstars came in those metal cases. I'm surprised shapton moved away from including a base. The new microphone sounds much better, less reverb.
Only the Pro Stones came with a case, still do. The Glass Stones only came in cardboard but you could buy a set with a rubber holder that reminds me of the insert in these metal cases.
Hi Keith great vid that chorsara 3 k looks like a nice quick cutter since your vid honing in the 1800 have you used your washita stone for setting a bevel cheers
Depends on the blade. Most of my razors have not been in videos. A lot of practice/test/beater razors have smiling edges so they can be candidates for rolling strokes.
Remember I'm a hunting knife and pocket knife guy. I have Norton's and Arkansas stone's. I gotta try some of those. Honestly which ones do you recommend that I get and try?
HI, thank you for watching. This channel pretty much caters to straight razor enthusiasts, almost exclusively. I don't usually make recommendations; everyone is different, everyone has different tastes, likes, needs, etc. There's no way to cover it all.
@@KeithVJohnson1 that's ok. I thought I might get a little insight to some new or different type of stone. I didn't mean to waste your time so I'll happily move along. LOL
Steel is steel. The rock doesn't know or care what the tool is. If you search RU-vid I am sure you will find many videos about using Coticules to sharpen all sorts of things.
I just used an old coticule to put the final edge on all my wife's kitchen knives. That particular stone works good for that. In general, I've found that coticules put too smooth of an edge on knives for my taste. I use a fine grit synthetic to put the edge on, and a few passes on the coticule to smooth and refine it a little bit. BBW (Belgian blue whetstones) are nice for polishing the sides of knife blades and getting a nice matte satin finish. Coticules, like Japanese naturals, can be a good "if you can only use one stone from start to finish" stone. In my opinion, coticules round the edge on knives a bit more than other stones, making those edges lean more towards the smooth end of the 'sharpness' spectrum. They aren't as 'sharp' or 'bitey' as a blade sharpened on other types of whetstones, but they retain their edge longer. You want a coticule that turns black fast as you hone. This indicates a fast coticule with lots of garnets. This is good for knives. Again, this is my experience, using my knives, on my stones, which will be different than everyone else's. Most natural stones don't work well with modern hard knife steels like VG-10. Coticules are one of the exceptions.
@@planofman8599 very interesting. I recently invested in a bunch of natural stones and mostly I love all of them other than the Arkansas because they don't create much slurry, but I'm trying to figure out why your stone could be good or bad for a knife versus a razor. I want to produce a perfectly sharp edge on a knife and it will be cool if I could get a reflective, polished edge. I have a Coticule, bbw, Arks, the green and Black Shadows, a few jnats, and a thuringian on the way.
Love it Keith. I mean, I have koma, and enjoy it, but can do without. I also jump from 1.5k to 5k, I could add a 3 k, but will it improve my results, or bring me joy?
Whether or not adding a stone to a progression will add to the end result in a tangible positive way depends a lot on who's honing, how good their skills really are, the razor in question, which 3k is chosen, and possibly other variables. Assuming the stones are Shapton Pro stones, the 1.5k is 9.8 µm and the 5k is 2.94 µm. There is no Pro 3k. So we pick from another system. If the newly found 3k is in the 5.5 µm range, then we might assume the 3k will handle 1.5k work more easily, and we are now asking less of the 5k and allowing it to really shine. Possibly, there may be a cleaner and more efficient bevel refinement realized in the long run. But not if the skills and patience aren't there. The user would also have to have the ability to discern subtle differences in edge quality.
The I*R is a lackluster stone. I use mine to prop up other stones while drying, the good Dr, led a lot of folks down a road they should have stayed off.
Agreed, do what you want, the honing police won’t care, if they do t know, lol. I honed a razor on an Escher with Koma slurry. Great shave, quick results. Anyone else play around like that?? Videos are great Keith, keep them coming. Only ones I watch, it’s just an ego show most of the time, so keep staying real and giving good info without bragging on blades,stones, and who you talk to. Wish there were more real informative videos on all subjects without the look at me undertone.
wow that stone looks a real nice example. looked like it puts a cracking polish on that blade . i am with you n that one , it don’t matter what you use or how if your getting a good shave off it and your enjoying what you do its all gravy 👍
I really enjoy this series. And you’re right, everything I learned about honing jnats came from your videos. Most of the techniques carried thru to other stones. We probably should acknowledge that more often. You have helped a ton of us.
Really glad to hear you're enjoying the videos! Yep, honing is honing, some techniques change from system to system but the core basics remain the same. Happy Honing!
Ive seriously tried to use a razor. It's not possible for me. I guess im too impatient and heavy handed.i tried again to slurry my translucent with a 1000 grit diamond and still i couldn't get a silky smooth shave.i ha mappin and osborn and german gong made in solingen .I guess some people are better at certain things
For starters, it is a learned craft and it takes time and patience. And yes, some people are better at some things than others are. Using a straight and honing them isn't everyone's cuppa tea but it's not so esoteric that only select people can do it. . Using slurry on a translucent Ark to finish is a guaranteed fail. It's not a Jnat, the slurry doesn't get finer, it just rams into the apex over and over again until it makes a saw tooth edge. There is absolutely zero point in making slurry on an Ark to finish a razor and there is every reason in the world to not do that. To be successful in this discipline, one has to fully understand the concepts and tools.
@@KeithVJohnson1 I can't get fine enough honing oil.the real stuffs too expensive. I tried dawn for a while but it clogs up. The slurry method allows me to use water. I often wonder what the indians used in the olden days. The name whet was the sound it made when you got the right edge and not wet.. Anyway. Thanks for the reply. I will just carry on withe slurry on my 10 inch hard arkansas and the translucent. I just use the disposable blades from lidl. Very cheap 1pound 30 penny for a pack of ten. My kitchen knives are sharp enough See you
You are killing your edge with slurry. I've used dish soap on 1000s of Ark finishes without problems - it doesn't clog, I think you are using it incorrectly. "Honing Oil" is not needed, mineral oil works fine, so does castor oil, 3 in 1, glycerine, etc.
ever consider making a nice wooden bridge for your stones. i made a waterproof wetbox because i sharpen all kinds of stuff. it came out gorgeous. i stole the model idea from some sharpening guru in japan. fun hobby.
I usually finish on natural stones which don't have an assigned 'grit'. In general, discussing honing, particularly finishing, in terms of grit is sorta pointless. What person A experiences from an XYZ grit finisher is very often not what person B experiences from a stone of the same 'grit'. Try stuff, see what works best for you.
This was 8 years ago. As mentioned in the vid, It was just a first look at a new stone, notthing to do with a finished edge or a shave.
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great video. how do they test and qualify these nagura? is it microscope and honing? particle size? hardness? this shit is so esoteric. ill be reading the honing razors and nihan kamisori soon. extremely interesting, thanks keith. are there similar strata here in the states. some of the strata are from Jurassic era and can be found in smoky mountains, abut obviously, who knows if they formed the same way and have the same characteristics of those in japan.
The process of determining Nagura quality is proprietary, the details have not been disclosed. Jurassic is a period, not an era - the Jurassic period is in the Mesozoic era. I do not recall the age of the deposits in Aichi, it's not a contributory factor. The deposits there are unique due to a number of very specific geological factors.
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m390 and certain laminated steels are super hard to sharpen and they are not even anywhere near 70HRC. LOL. yea i agree def not even close to 70.
i did some honing yesterday and call me crazy but my naniwa pro 6k seems to be harder than my naniwa snow white 8k....like the snow white is pasty and slow. ive shaved off the 6kpro after stropping when that was all i had. the snow white seems soft. snow white will put a mirror finish on my fallkniven pro but so does the 6kpro. i dont get it. i kept going back to the 6k pro and the edges were finer. maybe i used the 6k pro too much and wore down the bevel? maybe i should have jumped to snow white sooner... i dont know. but i am at least getting better at honing from watching and listening to your videos. i plan on getting a jnat soon when i can,. Thanks keith
There is no Naniwa Professional 6k. There is a 5k Pro. There is a 6k Traditional stone and a 6000 grit diamond stone. There is an 8000 grit traditional stone that is erroneously sold as the 'new' Snow White but it is not that, it is not Jyunpaku.
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@@KeithVJohnson1 WHAT THE F? !!!
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@@KeithVJohnson1 So they even put the frigging fake stamp on it too?!! i got it at chef knifes to go.
Naniwa Professional Series, formerly Chosera, is limited to 400x, 600x, 800x, 1000x, 2000x, 3000x, 5000x, 10000x. Chosera was the same grits. There was never a 6k. You can reference the Naniwa Abrasive Catalog, it's online, google it. A lot of people goofed with the Snow White thing. Yours may be the right stone, I don't know. I just brought it up because a lot of people, including sellers, have made that mistake. There are only 4 catalog numbers associated with Jyunpaku; covering two sizes, with and without bases. I don't have all the cat numbers handy and they are difficult to find online usually. The most popular SW version is # IF-0001.
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@@KeithVJohnson1 i think im done with naniwa. im moving to jnats. this is bullshit. my stamps are crooked and who knows at this point. i will look it up get back to you. thanks for your help boss.
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i can get my bushcraft knife to shave arm hair after 1k naniwa pro. but my straight razor obviously will not shave shit after 1k. i dont get it. maybe becasue im free hand sharpeing the knife. anyway. have you ever free hand sharpened a straight razor like a hunting or bushcraft knife? or even a chef knife?
I shave after bevel set on occasion, off a 1k or 1.5k synth; I show a 3 pass shave after bevel set in one of my videos actually. If an edge can't manage a shave after setting the bevel, then that bevel wasn't set correctly. I have free-hand honed wedge razors, yes.
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@@KeithVJohnson1 i have a german razor made in england sold in PA, i dont know. off ebay. says Vienna in large font. il will take more time setting it, i may buy another for freehand shaves. at this point im better at free hand sharpening my bark river bravo and fallkniven than straights,, im new to this. thanks boos
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boss what is your personal collection worth ? like 10k? impressive. did you see thay kid in japan his entire house is FULL of jnats. like reporters come to his house and he goes over like all of them. this hobby grabs you.
I don't collect hones actually. Not into the clutter, dust, upkeep. Cost and value are two different things. I'm more of a quality before quantity person.
Have had many variants/colors/veins of 'Vermont' slate over the years along with slate from all over the world, the USA, etc. I'd say that 99% serve as a mid-range stone. Very few examples of slate from anywhere rate as even a plausible finisher.
do any nagura actually change the surface of Jnats. i know they can on synths. is there anything to watch out for as far as jnats actual surfaces being changed from any nagura? thanks keith. bro im glad i came across this channel. there is a mountain of bullshit around this topic and content for content sake. i hope you continue to your store cuz im hoping to buy some stones sometime soon. right now i only have synths. thanks so much boss your channel is top notch.
Think of running sandpaper over a piece of wood. Same principal. So yes, the surface of a stone can be altered by running an abrasive over it. The surface also changes from honing, or lapping. It's all part of the deal.
I'm starting to learn kosher slaughter, and we need an edge so sharp that there's no perceptible tooth. I'm only starting out, so we're learning some of the laws of slaughter while we're also learning to sharpen the straight-bladed knife. I have arks and BBW's, but next is a coticule and/or jnat. I haven't unwrapped my bbw yet, so I'm giving myself a little time to get good on the cheaper stuff. The teacher said only natural stones. Synthetics make him want to kick us out of the class.
Yeah that came out great. I'm a big fan of wedges myself. I like the extra steel, there's no flex and they seem a little more forgiving. Thanks for the vid. (The version of that Stones tune seems a bit demonic.) 😂
