@@purefoldnz3070 This show has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. Kathleen and Johnson know that they lost most of the fans (and lots of money) with their poor decisions. So now Lucas Film (who's boss is Kathleen) are relying on all the old characters and trying to win the fans back, but have failed miserably.
I GUARANTEE they told Hayden Christenson to slow down with his lightsaber in this episode, cause he is literally one of the best swordsman in Hollywood and moves ridiculously fast and fluid. I bet dawson could not keep up with him at all.
All the lightsaber choreography in the Ashoka series is childish, these are not supposed to be just any old people who have just picked up a lightsaber, these are supposed to be absolute masters of lightsaber combat. This is what they perfected in the prequels. It showed sheer speed and agility of people who had put thousands and thousands of hours into using that weapon. In live action Disney Shite Wars they look so unbelievably mediocre it hurts me to watch.
As much as there are problems in the prequels the choreography was on point and the guys did an amazing job. Behind the scenes documentaries were amazing to watch and I would be a month's salary that the show didn't have the same level of dedication.
@@fktheproducerno, the fights in the prequels are laughable. The ones in ahsoka aren't perfect but at least nobody is waving their glowstick around like Yoda and anakin did in the prequels. Absolutely embarrassing
I think the point with the "do you want to live" thing was that Ashoka had cheated death not once, but twice, being miraculously resurrected both times and being the first character to be canonically revived as their original self I'm pretty sure (but not the last...). She'd also had her worldview shattered between witnessing the horrors of war, being dealt a bad hand by the Jedi Order she once devoted her life to, and watching her master become a monster and ultimately dying at his hands. Had the beginning of the show presented her as grappling with some sort of PTSD or existential crisis given her history (and reminding us of it as well), this could've worked well here, but no, they just threw in this relatively meaningless subplot out of nowhere in a vain attempt to give her otherwise flat character in this miniseries some semblance of an arc, while falling back on the one trick that seems to consistently work for them-nostalgia baiting.
That's how Disney makes stuff. They shoot a lot of scenes then attempt to stitch together a story in the editing room. It really shows in the end product. You get plot holes, bad pacing and a lack of clear direction to the plot. George Lucas had a strong vision of the story that he wanted to tell. That's art. It's a communication between the creator and the audience. Disney just crap out some "content". Their arrogance is gross as well. They feel that they have the talent to rewrite Star Wars lore? I'd say they have delusions of competence.
@@TemalCageman fr even if someone tried to kill Jacen Chopper would’ve nuked them he was fully ready to potentially kill hundreds of people earlier in the show and has canonically killed multiple people in Rebels.
@@yleyatarn Yeah he was Leia and Han Solo’s son. Didn’t they have twins or something? Also I’m pretty sure Dave Filoni said he named Hera’s son that on purpose to “pay respects” to legends after Disney removed it from canon.
@@Nonnnn765 One: angry? Oh you misunderstand. One does not need to feel anger to physically damage something. Irritation, frustration, passion, disappointment. All rather different feelings when compared to anger. Two: you…don’t care? Then, why are you even here? It appears you care more than you like to admit.
I know people keep saying that Filoni was hand-picked by Lucas and all, and I should STFU, but if Star Wars has thought me one thing is that sometimes good people are bad teachers. And, from what I can see from Filoni without standing on Lucas' shoulder is that he learned all the wrong lessons.
I think Filoni is exactly like Lucas actually; he has good ideas, but without a team filtering them and making them come to life...his creations become a dumpster fire. It's clear Filoni can't write or direct for shit. But his ideas worked when he was on the Clone Wars team surrounded by other talented people who also had ideas
@@thomasbrown3793 exactly. When George Lucas had unlimited control he created the prequels, and while I don’t believe they are completely without merit, they are certainly a far cry from the originals where he was more restrained by a team curbing his impulses.
It wasn't completely distracting in the more sensible old days when all the main characters were humans, and the side characters were robots and walking dogs. Background aliens with weird features like that, you don't have to worry about "what is the function of that body part. Why would it evolve that way... And isn't giant, awkward, functionally useless body parts... going to prevent a species survival long term?"
The worst part is the people calling this good. I bet you could put a dog turd in a hotdog bun on a paper plate with a Star Wars logo on it and they would call it fine dining.
Looking back at Disneys track record, they have a very strange habit of making stories revolving around a boring cast trying to find the more interesting character. All their stories revolve around “the story is not good now, but it will be when we find X”. It’s the story telling equivalent of a battle pass. “If I just hold out for the more interesting thing to arrive I will be satisfied”. Why don’t they just start out with the more interesting idea, rather than MacGuffin hunting for 3 seasons/films just for something interesting to happen later
You see that would make sense but that involves critical thinking and work which none of them want to do. They just want to be lazy and make money off of people who will take anything Star Wars.
Dear sir, I have the same issue with your mother. She pertains to say that she is an absolute whore, but that I need to hold out for her. A very confusing state of affairs. I did try to hold out for her, but one fateful evening broke the camels back. She laid her pomegranate bare and asked me to go where many men have been before. Since I am a pure person I had to ask myself if I was capable of defiling this woman. And I did! Sir I shagged your mum.
I believe that Ahsoka was having a vision on the brink of death, a NDE if you will. Hence the flashbacks from her past experiences. Should she lose to Anakin she would die in real world. So she had to win. However I don't know what the lesson was. This episode was a massive fan service for the Clone Wars watchers.
She lost her way and purpose (I'm not a jedi) friends (the clones, the jedi, anakin) and blames herself for all of it. Now she just roams the galaxy in the ship without any real cause or reflection. Anakin opens her eyes to see more than her failures and the many loved ones left behind. Live or die means keep moving forward or let the past consume you
Ashoka has always been a strong girl boss since her debut, she was created to try and get girls into SW when the EU already had a metric ton of better female characters, several of which like barris offee where ruined by TCW.
@@mattarmendariz4499 no it wasn't, we got to see her "in the light and in action" in the original clone wars comics and she didn't fall to the dark side either, she was a respectable jedi who was about anakin's age originally but filoni (and maybe Lucas) decided to age her down so she could be either a friend or love interest for ashoka.
There is a lot of subtext. Anakin and ahsoka are similar people. She cares and so does anakin. Even though she connected to the...force through the divine sister or mother or whatever that doesn't mean she isn't susceptible to the dark side. It is also a reminder of the things that drove anakin to the Darkseid. The clinical nature and arrogance of the jedi order is what led them to their downfall and she is repeating that same mistake with Sabine. She needs to trust her padawan and nurture her.
Correction: *Disney* *Wars* is dead. The corporation's ability to make money off of this brand is dead. Star Wars is 6 movies and several decades worth of expanded universe stories. Star Wars, because of the fans, will never die. And that's part of why Disney Wars is doing so badly, compare to the real thing everybody can tell it's a knockoff, the more time passes, the more people pick up on that. Far from being dead, Star Wars is alive and well enough to hurt the mouse every step of the way as they try to further their own (failed) version of the franchise. My two cents anyways. Star Wars fan for life, and Disney sucks, but legends are forever! ✌😁
That’s the main issue of this show. I watched both the clone wars and rebels, so all of this makes sense. Ahsoka has been in the world between worlds once already. She’s already had all of her character development over the last like 15 years. But anyone who isn’t caught up with that won’t understand what’s going on or why anything is important in this show. Although I fully think her not reacting to anakin and suddenly getting the ability to sense echos in the force is contrived and weird alike.
Even if you’ve seen Clone Wars and Rebels, this plot still is so poorly written. I grew up with Clone Wars and thoughts some of Rebels was solid, but this story is laughably bad. Ahsoka’s arc ended in Rebels - her story should be a noble sacrifice to save some of her friends, but now she just continues into this state of limbo with no real purpose.
@@jakemitchell6578That's exactly why I think this show should've been about her and Luke. The rebels should be cameos if anything but she was supposed to move on from that. If she's trying to find Thrawn where the fuck is Luke?! They're trying really hard to make it seem sensible that he's not around
Yea her having ZERO questions or disbelief at seeing Anakin was really confusing to me. I loved the episode for the member berries not gonna lie. But the plot surrounding it has always been contrived
Even I watched all the cartoons, I think Ahsoka aged very bad. She is stiff, annoying, lifeless, and weaker. But there is worse in this show, the plot is forced and there are many stupid scenes, I mean really awkward nonsense.
The fight between ahsoka and anakin looked like it was choreographed by a 5 year old. I literally fought my brother the same way with toy lightsabers when I was 5 it is absolutely shambolic
@@badsaint1019 It's not about blinding the audience to bad storytelling. It's about milking as much viewership as they possibly can before the next quarterly earnings report.
Clone remnants after order 66 are basically veterans betrayed by the very republic they represented the moment they were no longer useful. Jedi characters with lack of depth were often compensated by clone presence.
0:54 glad you said this because George wanted Ahsoka to die to cement his fall to the darkside like quigons death affected Dooku. But Dave doesn’t have a brain and prefers pet characters and whatever he wants instead of what the entire story needs
George Lucas has always been a master storyteller who's capable of seeing the big picture. The idiots who call him a bad writer don't know anything about storytelling.
@@purefoldnz3070 did he break his own rules? No so be the hell quiet he can do what he wants with his art, what you said made no sense at all. All those people work for him who tf says he has to listen to them about anything his brain came up with?
@@tomnorton4277 fans constantly call him Georges Apprentice when he hasn’t done anything to stop Disney from fvking up star wars, why? Cause he gets to make his own fan fiction too,
@@doorhandledestroyer there was no point bozo, Filoni cant create meaningful motivations to save his life, so he feeds you empty, braindead plot, and it like a choose your own adventure for disney cucks!
True. But the references to Revenge of the Sith make a vital point: Because CW essentially depicts Anakin as having a different personality, the supermajority of people who only watch the movies won’t think this depiction is accurate. And I doubt it was *hoped* for movie-only fans to skip this too. I preferred Anakin in CW… but having a clear preference only highlights how inconsistent the character was. Trying to fix things in a show is understandable, but it will inevitably mean the huge film audience doesn’t now about the fixes. Overall, this whole situation just has me sad. It’s like, the people making Star Wars *might* care about Star Wars, or they *might* be great at storytelling in a vast connected universe, but hardly any of them have both of those requirements.
You are right I have to cry that star wars is finished I thought the show could save it but fuck no it's obvious the only reason why clone wars wasn't this bad was the fact that George Lucas was keeping Dave filoni in check cause without home Dave created rebels and rebels is just bad writing upon bad writing with few great characters and moments
Ahsoka would never win a fight against Anakin or Vader. Even if he was fighting without an arm. The fact that she won really says something about the pedestal she has been put on by Filoni. Don't get me wrong, I loved Ahsoka in Rebels and Clone Wars. But this is just ridiculous.
@TemalCageman Obi won (hehe) by tossing a bunch of boulders at Vader. How is that similar? Even if he did, though, Obi Wan is much more skilled than Ahsoka.
@@aidanforman5950 Even that was unbelievable…because Obi Wan barely beat Vader in RotS due to being more experienced and taking advantage of Anakin making a mistake. He never would’ve overpowered Vader … but that’s exactly what he was depicted as doing in Obi Wan.
@@johnwerner69 Because if you've read science fiction authors or the fiction greats, or even paid attention to other productions from the past, you'd understand that Ahsoka is void of any depth and brings no nuance or aspect to its customer. But shill you must, because your life is just as empty and unimportant.
Other people familiar with Rebels point out that things are consistent, IF you have watched that series. They really should have made this as another animated season of Rebels -- the live action spin suggests that it is to draw in a new audience, who will expect an explanation of past events.
@@jdraven0890 yea one of the main problems with the Ahsoka show is that it instantly flips off fans who never watched the animated shows. They didn't give a recap or anything at all
@@Valen-mh9fh Because its not my fault if you join my advanced violin class willingly without ever touching a violin in your life and learning the prerequesites. If you can't keep up and are lost, its YOUR problem!
🎯 I don't think Anakin being in it saved it at all; I don't think the scenes he was in did his character, or the actor, any justice. Way to CGI heavy, I mean I don't get the point of "live action" if it's still going to look like a cartoon. Did it look cool compared to the rest, particularly because Hayden Christensen knows how to move with a lightsaber? Sure. Did it actually look that cool though? Not really. For me, all the positives of his performance were distracted from by all of the over-the-top visuals, and as far as how he looked, I thought it was pretty stupid. Especially when he went dark, and his lightsaber became a mood ring. They couldn't even get the sith eyes right! His eyes looked more red than yellow. On top of that, entirety of his appearance was filler, nothing meaningful or substantial happened, could have cut it ALL out and it wouldn't have fundamentally changed anything about the story being presented in this show. Imho anyone pretending this Anakin stuff was awesome, is trying too hard too come off as reasonable so when the Disney fans call you names for not liking the show overall, you can point out how reasonable you're being. Two problems though: one is they don't care, they're going to call you names anyways, and the other is that gushing over this Anakin stuff ISN'T reasonable, it was crap. What's ACTUALLY reasonable, is saying so. Watching this cameo, I'm reminded of every other attempt Disney has made to adapt cartoons into live action. Which is to say, I feel about this more or less the same as I feel about The Lion King. It's awful. And the plot STILL sucks balls.
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing about the eyes. Why the heck were they red? Also, in the last flashback you can tell that it takes place in the last few episodes of the Clone Wars series, which means, correct me if I'm wrong, Ahsoka was a young adult by then. But for some reason her voice sounds like a fetching 8 year old....
@@birons3708 she was 17? Then why did she look and sound like she was 8? Is it because Disney is infested with pedos and groomers, perhaps, and they just couldn't resist making her look younger? Is that why criticism of this show bothers YOU so much, you part of THAT crowd? Would go a long way in explaining you're silly little comments... cope harder sicko. ✌😜
F that time travel garbage there's a reason why filoni established it a few episodes away from ending the show it's the most asinine thing in star wars.
But isn't that where she learned to accept that what was past can't be changed, and all you could do is the present? She shouldn't now act like someone still burdened by the Skywalker/Vader legacy. It's not clear what Filoni wants her epiphany to be. She doesn't fit the profile of the atoner, because it's not her committing atrocities and sins. She doesn't fit the profile of the pacifist, for while she may have seen friends die and the cycle of conflict end and restart, she still kills bad guys because her convictions didn't waver. She isn't suicidal or withdrawn by lack of motivation. This is what happens when you don't establish your character Filoni. Even the ridiculous burning of Obi-Wan had a clear start and end point of the broken man.
If the lesson she learned was "fight or die", then perhaps she is more Saruman the White (after his fall) then Gandalf. This is not the jedi way. Also - in a galaxy where Luke and Leia are alive and well, it feels like watching the B team... Somehow I expected much more from Dave... To quote: "how embarrassing, how embarrassing".
The only part I disagree with is when you say about Anakin shouldn't have an apprentice and all that about it after but the point of Ashoka being his apprentice was to bring out that patient and loving side of Anakin so that when she left the order in the Clone Wars it laid even more grief onto him leading him further towards the dark side.
I get you but I think he meant from a realistic standpoint I don't think the Jedi Council would've ALLOWED someone as fiery as Anakin to take on a Padawan. It isn't really about ability, after all. Even though it's the standard for Jedi practice to do all that I do personally think that the Council realistically wouldn't have given him a Padawan, hence why the movies never did so. Don't get me wrong I like The Clone Wars overall but it's obviously stretching the canon/lore quite a bit in its episodes (a lot of episodes). I'm kind of impartial, I don't mind TCW Ahsoka but live action version is... ugh. It certainly would've been simpler had Ahsoka never been Anakin's padawan from a storytelling perspective, though. That, and now it'd be easier to follow as an audience member if it never happened too since Disney can't seem to follow their own timelines at all.
@@matthewcarroll2533 Wasn’t the point of Ashoka being Anakin’s apprentice just a roundabout way of Yoda trying to teach Anakin about attachments? Anakin would essentially raise his own foster-sibling, until one day he has to learn to let go of her as she becomes a Jedi in her own right. The Jedi Council completely f’ed that up because not only were they the ones who pushed her out, they pushed her out when Anakin still wasn’t ready to let go AND it was because of their erroneous judgement. No wonder Anakin doesn’t think highly of the Council lol. Yoda: “Let’s take this emotionally vulnerable guy who has difficulties with abandoning or letting go because his mom is a slave and he had to abandon her for a better life, and let’s never address this trauma ever.” Mace Windu: “I’m listening…” Yoda: “Have him get super-attached to someone, foster a parental and protective disposition over this other person…” Mace Windu: “Yes?” Yoda: “Then f*cking yank it from him.” (Edit: Mace is probably like- Mace: “Ah, yes. And I’ll continue to try and alienate him because our lessons aren’t sticking and we aren’t trying to adapt the lesson plan for him to understand, only furthering his cynicism towards us! I love it.”)
It was more about adding Fuel to the Fire. Ahsokas “Trial” by the Jedi was a kangaroo court and the Jedi threw her away like trash after seeing how the Jedi treat ahsoka Anakin has a Reason to hate them
One thing i think you're wrong about : yes Anakin is arrogant and always has been but no, it's not stupid for him to have a apprentice. If I remember correctly the decision came from the Jedi Council itself to try to make him grow and be more mature. But it was clever because Ahsoka also was arrogant and impatient. They were a perfect fit for each other, Anakin was responsible for her and had to see his own reflection when looking at her, forcing him to become wiser. To some extent, it worked. In Episode III he was more calm and reasonable when he didn't feel like his future with Padme was threatened, yet being insecure. The Council and especially Mace Windu didn't trust him and that is a huge part of why he turned in the end. They failed him when they gave the order to spy on Palpatine, he was lost and confused and they should have cared more about that. If Ahsoka had been there, maybe things would have been different, they were an incredible team as Master and Padawan. But the Council also failed her so... Maybe he was arrogant, but maybe the Council was too. But other than that ye the writing is horrendous
This is the same problem with Thanos, he was hyped up beyond belief despite virtually doing nothing throughout the MCU and they expected us to get excited when we know jack shit about him. Luckily he turned out to be a really cool character. Thrawn has the same problem, nobody except for a select number of Star Wars fans even know who he is and the general public sure as hell doesn’t know who he is.
Right cause having a slow cooked introduction of a villain capable of wiping out the entire cast through intellect unlike other imperials isnt interesting?
Thanos was good, but what really, really helped him was having basically a cast full of already hyped up heros. Spiderman, iron man, the guardians, doctor strange. They went for the Avengers and stayed for Thanos. It could've been the same here buuutt... they decided to use a kids cartoon as the main cast with minor/ literal nobodies as temp villains. Like, wth is going on with Star wars?????
@@macncheese1435 You strike me as someone who probably never even read the original Thrawn trilogy and is basing your idea of a "slow cooked introduction" off of how he was portrayed in Rebels. Or worse, the plodding and dull BS that was Andor - a prequel mini series literally no one asked for.
Because Thanos had actual Lt.s in Loki, Rohan, Proxima, Gamora, Corvus, ect as well as an entire army with orbital battle platforms. He didn't need to be exposition'd. Even Tony - genius, playboy, philanthropist, billionaire - said Thanos was the big bag evil guy more than once.
Best description of Star Wars and fans now"someone who has exclusively eat pudding with sprinkles, tolerates former being switched with s-h-i-t, long as latter is there"! Am I Right?
Never fail to impress Reaper, I myself am a Star Wars fan(hates sequels), I have also watched rebels which is why I am watching this show. The shows writing and acting sucks. Totally agree
Thank you - others who have watched Rebels are giving Ashoka a total pass, claiming that the same dumb things happened in Rebels, so we have to accept it.
I honestly did not understand what this lesson was even about until I watched Star Wars Theory's video where he explains that Ahsoka has lost her will to live and has only been trying to survive all this time, constantly blaming herself for everything that had happened and as a clone wars fan this makes sense, but it honestly was just very weird as the show had not hinted much at her trauma and it was not clear for me at all. One other thing I absolutely despised the younger version of Ahsoka, I've seen cosplays doing a better job dressing up like her, she just looked ridiculous. Also they made Anakin look like an insensitive asshole at some point while he was just trying to lighten up the mood by cracking a joke and trying to shift away the blame from Ahsoka because as you said, it is neither Anakin nor Ahsoka's fault that they've put a child soldier at the front lines and made her commander which a 14 year old is not qualified for. Anakin did his best to help her survive and yet people just shit on him for basically no reasons, he was a 20 year old tasked with making sure this kid doesn't die, what else should he have done? Also I wanted to slap Ahsoka when she had almost ZERO reactions to seeing her dead master, LIKE WHAT THE FUCK? This is the man you regarded as your brother he was almost a father figure, a mentor, someone who looked out for you, trained you and you loved him, but NO she doesn't shed a tear, there is no heartbreak, longing nor guilt visible on her features when she sees the pre-darkside Anakin looking alive, healthy standing just a few feet away, like okay she is a stoic Jedi who doesn't act on her emotions and should actually assess the situation and know whether or not this Anakin is real and actually try to find out where she is for her own safety, I'm not asking for anything crazy just subtle hints in her facial expressions or body language, like it must've hurt a freaking lot to have a dead loved one within reach, breathing and talking again, like.....nothing feels serious in this show, the only person displaying an ounce of feelings is Anakin himself and this is all ofc Hayden's merit. Just the first few seconds where he sees Ahsoka, he smiles so fondly and you can feel how much he cares for her, you can feel that these characters have some history and that Ahsoka means something to him...and that's basically the only thing I like about this show, that's about it. The parallels that people are going nuts over don't mean shit if no one takes the show seriously and they have almost zero impact even on a clone wars fan like me. I honestly feel so left out of my own fandom as everyone praises Dave Filoni and I'm just standing there thinking that maybe something is wrong with me or...everyone has just very low standards these days. As self indulgent as this sounds I wanted a more heartfelt and serious reunion between Anakin and Ahsoka where they at least talk things out properly, a vague lesson on life was never what I expected to get, also one more thing that Star Wars Theory pointed out that I liked was Anakin's mastery and control on both the dark and light side of the force as he was able to shift between them effortlessly and that's about it. I've been waiting for this video since I seem to be the only person not enjoying this series in the clone wars fandom so far :D
remember when anakin saw ahsoka again for the first time since she left the order and he was all giddy, this interaction between them held absolutely nothing. it was a complete waste of time
To be fair, young Ahsoka looked better than adult Ahsoka who still has the lekku and montrals of a minor... She should look like Shaak Tii at this stage in her life. It all looks shit actually, Hera's lekku are also just tiny little flubby rubber things. There are some sick cosplays out there that absolutely shame this garbage million dollar production.
Theory, Eck, and the rest are just access groupies at this point. They won't get their little sneak preview / early access / etc. if they critique any of the new material and that's a big part of what their channels and branding are now. Anyone thinking they're going to get anything close to a proper, logical, no-BS assessment from them or the other people who've struck the influencer lottery is lying to themselves.
You people are so hypnotized by that show you still can't realize that Ahsoka's existence in Star Wars is ultimately meaningless and it really shows. If she vanished from Star Wars literally nothing in that story would change.
@@lolcats987654321 I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying she already HAD a very limited arc, and whatever that was it ended with Anakin. That's why they have to exhume him in spirit form, to make Ahsoka even WORK as a character but that's ultimately the ONLY interesting thing about Ahsoka. Is her relationship with a Skywalker. But she has no impact on the Skywalker story.
i must admit: Hayden's return sold it for me at first. then again, i only watched those scenes where he was in, since i can't be bothered watching a tv show that requires watching other tv shows(in my case, Mandalorian, possibly Rebels season 3 if it exists - i don't care). so seeing only Hayden dueling with Ahsoka was cool to watch. seeing him dominate each fight, just to stupidly make her win.. was cringe. the Clone Wars flashbacks were also cool. but... i did not know what the main plot of the show even was. nor what was the reason for the cameo. i liked the prequels, loved the books covering the clone wars and RotS. even Rise of Darth Vader. but this show is aiming at smth else. why going back to clone wars? just to bring Anakin back? i gotta say.. i feel happy and sry for that. happy to see him still kicking ass with a lighsaber(and gotten better as an actor too), and sad they use him for such a cheap thing.
The scary part is there are Star Wars fans that are like starving animals, ready to devour anything thrown at them, no matter how bad it is. So Disney continues to shovel out rotten garbage and these “fans” are just gobbling it up. After consuming this hot garbage for so long, they are convinced that this is amazing because they can’t tell the difference any more. And this will all lead back to the recent trilogy, where this toxic spill first started.
I feel exactly the same as you are saying but more graffic like Mickey is a chef in a cafeteria serving 💩 and people just love to est that 💩 they want more Mickey the chef is happy to feed the fans with 💩 And people are too stupid to say no its enough they keep kissing Mickey’s behind
I wanted to like this,same for kenobi and mando...but it is rubbish and I'm thinking,these striking writers are incompetent and no wonder they won't get hired
So, the clone wars (Which was made by Lucas) plays into why Anakin dislikes the Jedi Council, because they distrusted Anakin's padawan and treated her with suspicion believing she was a terrorist before she quit the jedi order and left, which seriously affected Anakin, His padawan was an anchor for his emotions, and her loss played into his fears of abandonment.
@@NoBody-pw3kf Uh huh. Still doesn't change the fact that Clone Wars was made by George Lucas, making it Canon, and what I described is exactly what happens in the Clone Wars.
What pissed me off was young Ahsoka and her lightsaber deflecting/swinging/countering, I don’t even know what tf to call it, and how she held her saber(s). I felt sick just watching it. Also, since when did Hera possess the gift of the force on a Jedi level? Jacen too. Listening to waves and they can both hear Ahsoka dueling the damn chosen one in the world between worlds. Jacen has had zero Jedi training and Hera’s only had that Jedi dick, she’s only a pilot. Not force sensitive. Don’t get it twisted, I’m all for rebels Hera and Kanan/Caleb will forever be one of the purest Jedi to ever exist, but come on. This is getting out of hand.
Force sensitive people do not need training to instinctively demonstrate use of the force. So, Jacen being able to hear the fight did not break my suspension of disbelief. Hera being able to hear it, yes, I agree, that was non-consistent...Hera is by far the most badly written character of this show and this is made even worse because of the comparison with the almost perfect animated character...Too bad for the actress playing the role, she will receive some bad reviews because of the incompetence of writers and directors...
@@Wizardjunior77 she took a red Kyber crystal that had been bled and used the force to heal it. This one actually happened in a comic, but it's such a minor thing it doesn't matter.
@@master_k5019 what’s worse is talking about how the Star Wars animation is for kids while not actually giving it time to flush out kind of like these shows lol
Most of the things you critique about can be choked up with just not watching clone wars nor rebels to gain context/understanding as well as begging to get questions answered as if Ahsoka is a q&a and to spend the effort of redoing animated scenes irl.
@@birons3708 still doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t make sense, I’m 24 so I was a child when clone wars came out on Cartoon Network and the reason I dropped it is because they made anakin have a lame apprentice and to this day idk how people just bought fell for ahsoka. Everything with her in it feels fake
I actually thought the way they had Ahsoka as his padawan was okay. In the Clone wars tv show, she eventually leaves after being accused of being a sabotuer and agent of the dark side by her jedi masters (and friends). It wouldnt have been brought up as it was a sore spot for all the jedi that knew her, and wouldve been like poking an open wound. The destruction of her character in this tv show just shows how they really dont care about even their own creations. She was never meant to be a jedi, she never completed training.
Ever since Ahoska was introduced, it always felt as forced. Especially after you just watched Episode 3. Almost as if Filoni wanted to shove his OC into the lore
She was meant to die by the end of TCW and cause Anakin to further spiral into arrogance and resentment. George was on his way out, he didn't care as much anymore, so Filoni had his way in the end and she lived. She is his writer's pet, his OC, his self insert, all those things... so he wants her to replace Luke as the face of SW.
@@prodigalsonofsunsAnd even then, that one fight against Vader in Rebels should have ended with her dying. But nope, Filoni had to ruin her arc, by literally putting timetravel in a Star Wars story.
"[Ahsoka] doesn't have any flaws, shortcomings or regrets to overcome." I've been saying exactly the same thing. The whole point of Anakin's lesson should be him helping her to overcome a fatal character flaw, but she doesn't *have* one -- at least not one that's clearly illustrated via her actions in this show. Therefore the meaning of the lesson is confusing and we the audience aren't sure how Ahsoka is meant to have changed and evolved when it ends.
@@mattarmendariz4499I did watch The Clone Wars. And Rebels. They're irrelevant. This show should be able to stand on its own merits. It should clearly establish what Ahsoka's major flaw/hangup is before her encounter with Anakin, and it doesn't.
@@DavidM_10 ok then you could say the same thing about the original trilogy. people like you praise it so much but it should have been able to stand alone aswell without the prequels but george still made them didnt he?
@@mattarmendariz4499 The original trilogy does stand on its own merits, narratively. It provides all of the information necessary for its characters and scenes to make sense. George made the prequels to expand on the story, but they're not *required* in order to enjoy the originals.
While I agree that its horrible how they find time for hand folding yet not for explaining the underlying plot elements, a lot of what you are missing in the episode has been set up in Clone Wars and Rebels, which I dont blame you for not having seen/not being familiar with. That includes the kid's being force sensitive, space whales and world between worlds (to a kids show extend lol, but at least it's there), Ahsoka's arc, continuation of Anakin's character development, where he is shown in his full behaviour scope instead of the PTSD-ridden war vet in Ep3. That being said, I absolutely agree about most of the plot devices being convolluted and/or making no sense at all (the inbound republic fleet for example).
is this what people that dont know star wars think? everything could be answered with common sense if u watch any other star wars content besides the movies. Best part is, you dont need to watch ep 7-9 so that makes more time for the animated series. and if you dont want to watch those, watch star wars explanation videos lol, its obv that anakin learned how to saved the loved ones from death like palp told him, and if you watch rebels youll see how the world between worlds works, and its obv that its actually anakin seeing as he says "i havent been here before" on mandalore and saying "ive heard that before" before they actually fight. He's basically portraying his prime self while being able to control his light and dark side, because ya know, he's dead
