Analysing Ronnie Watts' Interview, part 2 

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She was wayyyyyyy too good for any of them. They knew it too. I wish that first date would have been her last. He had to work at it....she knew he wasn't good enough. She should have stuck with that feeling!!!!

@@shelbell1279 I think she was not over her feelings of inadequacy when she kept dating him. He was "good to her", and she let her guards down. Very strong personality, and loving.

Yes 😭 I wish so too

me too :(

I wish she’d never accepted Chris’s FB request, stayed in that beautiful house she built at 25 (!) and found a man who was deserving of her.

You’re right! Weak equals dangerous. Ronnie is a disgusting two faced bastard!

@@rosemarykennedy5430 I agree with you 💯 %!!

Or a weak woman. . .

@@Mrs.TJTaylor I agree, man or women, weak people lash out in wicked ways because they’re too cowardly to simply assert themselves

@@oldyeller6518 Yes, and sneaky ways. Yuck.

Good point

I shudder to think......

:( i had a mil very much like her. Its horrible.

I think Cindy was pushing Chris to divorce Shanann , and was in on causing as much trouble as she could but didn't exspect to see her son in jail for the rest of his life. She knows her part in all of this and is feeling so guilty on her son's part, because he is spending his life in jail and i think she will say, lie and do anything to get him out. Her guilt won't let her have a life as long as he is in jail. Big trouble for the Watts in the years to come. JMO

Absolutely

With every right!!!

Cindy also wanted to prove that Shannan had Munchausens By Proxy. She never believed that Cece had these allergies and that Shannan was giving her medication unnecessarily and that Shannan herself was a hypochondriac with imagined illnesses. Cindy may very well have caused Cece to go into anaphylactic shock that day just to prove a point, if Shannan had not stepped in and stopped it. Just like Cindy saying she didn't believe that Shannan and the children were missing and that Shannan was just hiding away in order to punish Chris for having an affair and wanting a separation. Another point - Shannan did not know for sure that Chris was having an affair because he kept lying to her about it, but Cindy and Ronnie obviously knew, and long before Shannan did. Cindy assumed that Shannan knew and that she had run off to punish Chris. That horrible woman owes an apology to the Rzucek family for that alone, among many other slurs on Shannans character.

@@juanitarichards1074 agreed on all points

You also hear Ronnie call Shanann “Bipolar.” I know that is also Cindy speaking through him

I agree. She knew that both children had allergies and Chris said that she (his freak Mom) didn't believe in allergies.....omg what grandparent would question something like that....wouldnt you do your research and find out all about it to ensure your grandchild was safe. It's really really bad that you would even have nuts in the house if your 2 year old grandchild came to visit and endanger this child just to make a point that your queen of the freak household!!!!!!!!! And yet Shannan kept trying to make a relationship with these awful people. She sent stuff to make her mother in law better on video....she just tried, she had no chance with either of those two narcs in that house (Jamie and the mother in law from hell) I think Jamie is just as bad. She's the one that put nuts on the low level of the counter when shannan was outside and on the table.....then you have the flying monkey men....wow....

--- did you read shanann's texts? the woman was clearly insane --- using her own children as leverage to play up a division between chris and his parents. That is evil.

Yeah that was a strange interview wasn’t it? It seemed he said in the same sentence I never saw anything wrong w shannan but she was crazy. Shannan seemed nice but after cindy said she wasn’t. And then later I saw that side of shannan even though I hadnot actually seen it in person? 😳🙄

Chris childhood friend bashed Shan’ann base on everything psycho Cindy told him.

His friend was never mean to my sister. I actually felt like he was attracted to my sister. He told cw constantly how lucky he was.

@@frankierzucekjr I wonder why Cindy had to say those things, to Cw's friend. Is it to cause more problems, or is she just bat sh*t crazy as a person. Your sister didn't deserve anything like this, or your nieces.

@@augustrosepriv892. she wanted to divide them and did everything she could to make that happen.

Agreed. They need to just fade away but they won’t.

Exactly. They’re not only mentally sick, but also deeply weird. All of them!!

They really do. Just go away and stop defending the murdering scumbag. My God, what would someone have to do to make this family hate them? Doesn't get any worse than what he did, does it?

@@Pebbles79 They’d be the type to help Chris hide the bodies if he asked them to....

Sad but true. They definitely would have 😪

%100

So true. Cindy is a massive BITCH.

Agree, truth is that Chris chose a better woman than his mother and Cindy was piss&d about it so Shannan had no chance

Amen

The moment she seen my sisters mansion was the moment she made her mind up.

My husband's family.. I took her baby away from his mother.. This case has made things so much more clear for me. So much gaslighting, so much inappropriate behavior, selfishness, backstabbing, etc etc..

I wouldn't DARE marry a man whose own parents refused to attend the wedding. I don't see how she even married him in the first place. Where was her sense of self, her dignity?

I married into family like this. Very similar dynamic and my ex was scapegoat just like Chris. Once we got married, I got saddled with his scapegoat role. He essentially maneuvered me into this by playing both sides against the middle. It was horrible. I feel so much for what Shan'ann had to endure. The Watt's family after the murders only vindicates what Shan'ann and her family was saying about the Watts all along. They are abusive and deliberately create trauma and chaos in order to punish and control. Shan'ann didn't stand a chance with these abusers.

My in-laws are psychos, luckily my husband recognizes they are too so Ive never had to have a relationship with them.

I married into one like this. They all even looked and acted the same! . It was 25 years ago now but I'm still very damaged from it all because of the smear campaign etc I wasn't as strong as Shannan...I fell apart and everyone thought I'd developed psychosis when I was calling them an "Evil Cult " and telling people that they were trying to kill me etc. I started crying then when Zoe used the word cult.

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Jazzy . I watched an interview where Cindy held up the locket, saying it was a picture of her and Chris. On the back was engraved 'a mother's love'. I remember thinking at the time that this woman is a few sandwiches short of a picnic basket!!! You're absolutely correct Jazzy, no compassion, deluded and evil. What about her gorgeous grandchildren??? How differently the Ruzsecs have behaved. With dignity.

It has a photo of herself and Chris inscribed with the words "a mother's love" 😏

I thought the exact same thing. Cindy, Ronnie and his sister all comment again and again about Chris’s looks. Very odd. It would be the last thing on my mind! Craziness 😣

@@Lily2807 you’re right! Cindy and the sister did the same, it’s bizarre. They’re talking to him like he is the victim.

He's a drug addict

The nice guy act is just a projection

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He's so f$%^ing whipped.

Exactly.

Two words: “pussy” and “whipped”. I can’t stand men who let their wife/gf/mother walk all over them, it’s so pathetic

@@melissam597 OMG, the thought alone makes me throw up, for real! Thankfully they are past reproductive years?

Thank you both! 😊🤗

@3rrlia Through this channel at 50 I have come to understand my mother and how I have been in a battle I never had a chance of winning ever. And I feel so ridiculous but also free!

She's always absolutely right about everything. I lived it and she's spot on.

@@frankierzucekjr wow frankie cool to hear ur input!! :)

So many monsters surrounding us.

I think the nut incident was planned by Cindy and Jamie. He had told them prior to being in NC he wasn’t happy any more. It emboldened her and she did it deliberately in order to vilify Shanann further. I honestly don’t know how she lives with herself. Imagine blocking Shanann and not going to CeCe’s party? Yet she shows no remorse about that! Ronnie is a weak, weak man.

@@samcad-ho3ze she’s a narcissist the only opinion that is ok is her own.

And yet she totally misjudged how much of a narcissist her husband was.

Apparently Cindy and Ronnie had many photos of their daughter’s children in their house but none of Bella and Cece. It made me really sad to read that, it’s one thing to not like your son or daughter-in-law but to take it out on young children is utterly cruel (and unhinged) 😔

Good points you've raised. Thank you.

Using "the" for the affair means Chris knew the dad already knew about it.

The dad knew about the affair. CW told him about it and also said he and Shannan were splitting. Its why he was deleting messages from his dad in front of her and she noticed.

great point about the similarities in the relationship. very astute

Good points but we don’t know if Ronnie has ever cheated on crazy Cindy. Wouldn’t be surprised if that guy had many other escapes other than drugs.

Good point that Ronnie was the role model for Chris in his marriage.

@@MJ-wrty Yes, and I don't believe his addiction only lasted a year......

The thing is Chris and Ronnie are weak men who depend on strong women, because Nicole wasn’t a sweet submissive pushover. Chris was trading in one strong woman, for another. In 6 weeks she was looking up wedding dresses and searching for apartment for him and his girls lol.

You are right, because even if the police told me to be calm I would try to killed my son if he murder her wife, never mind the babies, I would pull it his eyes out, no doubt about it.

Yep, there's no excuse for Ronnie, he has shown his colours right there in that interrogation room. Cold blooded Watts's - all of them. Absolute lack of empathy except for themselves.

@@laurenmay2098 Why did Kill Bill 2, Be, plucking out El’s eyeball (👁️) popped into my head when I read that! - Is that how you would do it? 🤔

@@Tonshmar 🤣😂🤣😂 maybe. I am a crazy talker!

He's just too much of a coward to voice his own opinion. Might make his life even nastier going against his crazy liar of a wife. No balls at all. Same with their son.

I don't think he even cares, he appears to do whatever will make him the most comfortable. If that means trashing Shan'ann to get Cindy off his back, he does that. If it means slandering Shan'ann's memory to help get his son off the hook he does that. He simply doesn't appear to care. Clearly quickly finding porn on his phone is more of his thing. He also had his favorites, as he had Jamie's kids tattooed on his arm, but didn't do the same with Chris's girls. Shan'ann mentioned several times that Chris was the family scapegoat, Cindy alludes to this as well, by stating she heard him praying fervently for forgiveness as a child. So either Chris had been programmed to believe he was at fault for everything which is typical mindset for a scapegoat, or Chris was even more evil than we know, having committed serious offenses as a youth. Given Chris's behavior as a human red carpet and a constant chameleon, my guess is that Chris was the family scapegoat, and it was how the Watt's family survived Cindy's malignant narcissism and hostility. They just stood back and let her attack Chris and even joined in themselves, and later did the same thing to Shan'ann.

Yes.... It's how much hate there is and also that need to 'win'... Horrible...

That blows my mind too. Not an ounce of empathy or compassion. If I had behaved like them I would be wracked with guilt.

Exactly. They’re awful, evil people. They don’t seem in the least sad that their grandkids are dead. They just continue their obsession of hating Shanann.

Well said!!

IMO I don't think they believe that it's just that they don't care. Cindy hated Shanann and the kids came from her so in Cindy's fd up view those babies were nothing more than an extension of Shanann... It's heartbreaking 💔

@@mrs.anderson1519 exactly spot on

I don't think they believe that. I think they want US to believe that. They know what he did and they blame her. Truly disgusting people. You want to feel bad for them, for what they've been through, but they make it impossible.

Hello, that's good! 🤗

@@LiveAbuseFree I do too. I know you won’t see this, but thank you for lifting the veil from my eyes.

Same case with my father, unfortunately.

I think it's pretty common when one spouse consistently bombards the other...eventually they just give up and "go along to get along", or get out.

I totally relate as my father is the same. Hopefully you both have found healing. These videos are such wonderful tools.

Same. My brother hasnt murdered anybody but I too see my parents in Cindy and Ronnie. My mum is always right. Always. She has many techniques to ensure a reasoned discussion cant get near her. She uses silent treatments, if you call her out on anything at all she instantly claims the martyrdom by making it all about her. My hurt is an act of aggression perpetrated against her. She is martyr beast and can go from "stalwart of the parish to martyr beast in the blink of an eye. So you *never* get a chance to try and deliver the message gently. She has already shut you down. And my Dad supports her NO MATTER WHAT. They feel superior that they have a united strong marriage but that came at my expense. Lot of projection. My dad projected his low self esteem issues on to me and the whole family ran with the narrative that i am paranoid, sensitive, emotional, difficult. Im not. My Dad is. 😪 it is startling to look at cindy and ronnie and recognise one's own parents. I could have been a narcissist i think but i saw that i was a vacuum needing validation so i worked on getting a sense of my SELF no matter how flawed that was.

Same here, its really creepy!

Exactly.

Yes, Cindy already almost killed CeCe with the nuts, so obviously, Chris had his mother's unspoken approval to kill the children.

@@eliotffw Well I think other people's lives don't really have value to them..they aren't real. The only thing that matters is keeping their false selves alive as she says in this video!

But he doesn’t. He chooses to stay.

My stepfather does the same thing with my mother. He decided almost 50 years ago that it was easier to just agree with my mother than to challenge her and feel her wrath. And I do mean WRATH.

I’d divorce her and marry someone less sociopathic. With less facial warts

Good point.

Thanks so much Louise! Happy Christmas! 🤗

You my dear are a blessing to us all. I have found your thoughts on Ronnie very interesting. Cindy carries even far more weight than I originally thought. Chris is afraid to tell his mother the truth and I think he worries that if he tells his mother she might turn on him. That part he wouldn’t mind I think but then she could possibly threaten Ronnie to stay away from Chris because he has shamed Cindy. If his dad, his best friend could not be in his prison life I think Chris would lose any reason to live and therefore possible bring harm to himself. Any thoughts Louise? Would be grateful to get your opinion on this. Merry Christmas, stay safe and give “BINGO” a little hug from Canada. I thought the name suitable because bingo you won the game. Mommy chose you!❤️🇨🇦🙏🏻

He and Cindly unwittingly sacrificed their son in the process. Perhaps their trying so hard to get him out now springs from deep but unacknowledged guilt.

aw thanks Beth! I haven't been to Devon in so long. It's so pretty there, and I could do with a Devonshire cream tea! 😁🤗

Thanks Frankie! I'm glad you do and I hope it's helpful to you in some way. Every time I think I've got everything off my chest about this whole subject, some other really extreme behaviour from one or all of them happens! I think this might finally be it, I might put out one more short video about 'enmeshment' and CW, depending on whether I can find a quote I noted down from one of his interviews quite a while ago now... I think it's natural given the extremely cruel and shocking way they all died, that we all focus on that, but their lives weren't defined by their deaths. When I look at photos of Shanann and the girls, I'm always struck by how happy they look. Bella and Cece look like they had a lot of fun and enjoyed so much love from their mum and each other. They must have had such a lovely time with you in North Carolina. I bet they would want you to remember the things they really enjoyed doing and the things they found funny, that made them laugh. I know Christmas must be a very difficult time for you and your family and I really hope you all still manage to find some moments of peace. You all thoroughly deserve that. I'll be thinking of you and sending my love and so many others will be too, all over the world. ❤️

@UCvsx4mTL00o5NisMGUdOtnQ im sure this won't be the last of them spreading bs. Lol. Especially with that kim channel talking about cw's books he wrote with fellow criminal. Its just a bunch of Bible quotes and bs. Then we have the other lady that wrote that one book that was plagiarized has written another. But says she couldn't put certain things in the book. Bunch of bs. Hope it goes in the fictional section lol. Everyone's out to capitalize on it. It's sad. Thats why I like people who expose them. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas and New Year.

@@frankierzucekjr Thank you! Yes, exactly. It's very twisted how people are getting off on coming up with all sorts of rubbish about it, just to shock and get attention and money.

My mother willfully forgets and uses my father's tough childhood as an excuse for everything (you'd think think fifty years would have been enough for someone to do something about their traumas if they were actually considered a problem, but you'd be wrong!). She also refers to her day-to-day mental state as similar as the state concentration camp prisoners had to adapt in order to survive, yet when you ask her 'what has been so terrible that you have had to take on this approach?' curiously she has no answer. Because clearly, everything is fine! Her husband is great. Her life is good. I have been banging my head against the wall trying to work around this, but I just have to give up on it, don't I? She's been conditioned to accept abuse by her own narcissistic parents, and as long as she is willing to keep her head in the sand, there is nothing anyone can do about it, and frankly my mental health isn't good enough to take it anymore. I'm trying to keep strict boundaries now, but yeah, it's really hard.

@@meinorha9370 I was just looking for something and came across your reply, which I hadn't seen before. My goodness! That's craziness right there. Sounds like the kind of relationship that can suck the life right out of you. Hopefully you can make healthier choices for yourself because it's just not worth wasting energy on relationships like that. Best wishes to you. 🤍

Yay! Thank you! 😊

The poem is great! I can relate......

OMG I'm so glad that you got out of that crazy family! Can you tell me, looking back..... Did you see any red flags that you remember now but didn't pay attention to?

@@astrialindah2773 omg , I did , many many , but I really had never met any family with such a level of dysfunction, so I didn’t realize what they were . First , the parents were not respected by this man ( my them husband) , he would treat them very disrespectfully and even name calling etc . I remember all this guys behavior would be pinned on me , since the begging , even though it was quite obvious that all these things had been going on for years and years, before I even met them . Also, all the family had zero boundaries with one another and very intrusive way of being , and there was this feeling of “ us against the world “ thing ( meaning the family of the parents and the 3 sons) . They had zero insight on themselves , and if I ever tried to intervene to help the mother for example , from being mistreated by her son , she would accept the abuse she was receiving and at the end , I was also abused for trying to help . Very very sick people . The man I married ( he love bombed me , and we got married and I was pregnant in less than 6 months , and by that time I realized what I had gotten into , I was already expecting ) was at first very very charming , handsome , like someone out of a fairy tale , but once I was married and expecting he started turning into a monster and I will give no details of what he would do but he is terribly violent and should be in jail for the rest of his life , I doubt that will happen though . I am lucky to be alive and my child is too . We both go to therapy still and it was a very difficult experience to survive and now to have in our memories , but , baby steps , we are getting better every day and I wish all woman could be free of ever going through this . Principal red flag I would say : someone that is TOO kind to you , but seems to have no friends of his own . Is very “ jealous “ and controlling ( they don’t love you , they are crazy ok!) and doesn’t want you to have friends .. And regarding a family dynamic , first red flag would be that you feel like an intruder , they are this sick little team that support one another , and also , you are treated with zero respect , and everything you require or ask for is seen as “ you are being demanding “ etc . I could go on and on but it boils down to you feeling something is just “ off”, you can feel something is not right ... hope nothing like that ever happens to you . Good day !

@@camilaxcastillo ...Thanks for sharing your story.

@@camilaxcastillo I’m so happy you and your little son escaped. What a monster your ex turned out to be. I hope karma gets him in the end.

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Imo 💯

Probably his sister.

Thank you! 😊

Interesting

@@teresahowick5197 There monster of a son will never get out of prison. Why don't they just shot up.

I think we can see this in society also. So many pose as "tolerant" of the most egregious things, when the truth is they are simply cowards.

Thanks Ann! Have a lovely Christmas/holiday season too. 😊

Thank you Jane! 🤗

I so love that movie! I still cry every time. Great reference 😃

Yes agree. I was too young to watch it as a child but I caught snippets & my mother raved about the good acting & the tragic story.

Because she had a break in her travel schedule with Level, because she had to go before her pregnancy got too advanced and she wouldn't be allowed to fly, and because her brother Frankie had never met Cece, and neither had Watts sister Jamie. So Shannan thought it would be a good time for them to get to know Cece, and to spend time with both families, with Chris coming out for the last week. However when he arrived he was no longer the man she had known and loved and trusted......the shock was profound. Her life was turned upside down overnight.

@@juanitarichards1074 I can’t imagine how heartbroken and confused Shannan was! The coward should have just left her, I know he would have been miserable with NK. I think he was too scared to face the music, he didn’t want to pay child support or lose anything during the divorce. He most certainly expected the life insurance money.

Yes, I wonder that too!

Can't you just see them sitting around a table plotting this scene with the nuts before Shanann ever arrived. They knew he already had a girlfriend and they knew if they made Shanann mad enough she would complain to Chris and they would make everything out to be her fault all the while push Chris father away to the girlfriend. Cindy and Jamie are one and the same. Ronnie is afraid not to follow. I'd be curious to know what caused Ronnie to turn to Cocaine and what happened to Chris and Jamie when they were little. Not excusing either one.

CW admits there's something he won't tell.

Thanks Jodie! 😊