Are We Scapegoating Autogynophilia? 

I’m sorry that happened to you. It sounds like you actually did your research, which is something that isn’t happening enough these days.

It's likely because "autogynophilia" and "autoandrophilia" have been and are being widely used by anti-trans people to discredit, invalidate, and vilify transgender people as gross sexual perverts and sexual predators. Anti-trans people are using these terms to actively hurt transgender people.

We love science, xx and xy with their corresponding genders (gender of course being a recently made up term) And try to spare kids the pain of being introduced to the ideological trans cult. We also live in society and our kids also share public spaces. It’s never as simple as you saying ‘we just want to exist’ when it’s forced down our kids throats, exploiting any discomfort any teenager might have going through puberty and using it as a chance to recruit them into the cult, then blackmailing the parents emotionally ‘would you rather have a trans kid or a dead kid’ The number of detransitioners is growing and we are far from the peak. This will be looked back on as a dark chapter in human history for mutilating children unless society wakes up.

Maybe just maybe…. Some people can have opinions outside of their red or blue thinking. Try it sometime.

Thank you! To the extent AGP manifests in sexual interests, all I have to say is...are we surprised? Teenage bodies are insanely horny. People want to point to the bodies source of pain at the 'AGP source's and not consider that it likely is referred pain from gender dysphoria. AGP is a major symptom of dysphoria for SOME MTF.

I think that will be my next video. I don’t know how well my experience will translate to other people, but the more of us share our experiences, the more tools we’ll all have at our disposal.

MTF who dealt with AGP since I was tiny- definitely doesn't work for everyone, YMMV. I tried to live as a feminine man, role play, etc, it just made me feel horrible. I didn't want to BE a femme man, not because I was 'ashamed' or thought that 'men couldn't be feminine, but because, for me, it was an unsatisfying and frankly, ridiculous, attempt to try to live as a guy. For me, it just wasn't going to happen!

I’m pretty used to ma’am. The first time it happened, I was like, “I’m not old enough to be a ma’am yet!” Because for a long time I was used to “miss”. But yeah, I’m completely indifferent. It’s a word. Kind of a placeholder word, really. I really only get annoyed about people treating me like a woman when they start really insisting on treating me like a woman- like the stereotype of a woman. So, I’ll be honest carrying something heavy-looking and someone goes, “Hey, do you need help with that?” Which is honestly, just them being polite so it doesn’t bother me. And I say, “Thanks, but I’ve got it.” And they don’t drop the issue. I’ve been at work on my job carrying boxes that it was my job to carry and had men who were not even supposed to be carrying those boxes come in and take the boxes away from me and carry them themselves. And I understand any woman might get annoyed by this. Understandably. But the problem I have is that this just isn’t a problem men have to deal with. And it’s not just the “you’re physiologically weaker, so let me help you” aspect of it because I think I could live with that. It’s the inherent condescending “well, you don’t know what you need as much as I do so I’m going to step in and do what I think you need regardless of what you might actually need.” And that’s not the driving force behind me wanting a different gender, but there are days it definitely contributes.

Kink = degeneracy

The labels autogynephilia or autoandrophilia don't necessarily entail that there is a dysfunction or obsessive quality that damages someone's quality of life. These labels just describe a sexual predisposition, specifically a sexual attraction to self as a woman or man. Sometimes these forms of sexuality do lead to dysfunction, and when that happens the situation can be accurately described as "autogynephilic gender dysphoria" or "autoandrophilic gender dysphoria". There is a difference between the sexuality itself (AGP/AAP) and the dysfunction that happens in a subset of people (gender dysphoria).

Dysfunction is relative. An autogynephile that surgically inverts their penis, takes wrong sex hormones and successfully masquerades as a woman while married to another autogynephile, adopting children, and having a successful career is far less sexually dysfunctional than a typically gynephilic incel who mopes around all day. Note: using terf language because otherwise we'll get into a stupid semantic argument.

Have you considere you may be projecting your own negative feelings into autogynephiles? Maybe autogynephile is just a thing and isn't necessarily negative or positive, dysfunctional or not.

@@brandih8972 yeah try calling it 'just a thing' when you're trapped in a room with one and they just start moaning and touching themselves and won't stop. It's actually a dysfunction because it bothers people. I don't want to see people jerking it and I don't want them bombard my inbox with the boatload of fantasies I give not a single shit about.

I agree. And I think that’s a difference that should be more openly addressed in the public discourse. It’s not okay for society to be expected to tolerate clearly inappropriate behavior, but it’s also not okay to demonize an entire group of people just because of the bad behavior of toxic individuals who are taking advantage of social loopholes.

So parents should never give each other a peck on the cheek? got it!

@@jovazquez6102 that is literally not what i said or meant but you go off i guess

My psychologist was a quack. She told me I had bipolar. I brought in a copy of the DSM diagnostic criteria for bipolar and went down the list, asking her to explain how it applied to me. Every item I listed, she either explained with elements of my lifestyle that had nothing to do with bipolar (like deciding we wanted to have a lot of kids and then proceeding to have a lot kids) or just, “Oh, you just have bipolar. I have over 30 years experience, so I know it when I see it.” I was struggling with suicidal thinking, so I figured I might as well believe her. I didn’t have any better ideas. So I wasted thousands of dollars and months of my time trying to sort out my “bipolar disorder”, which didn’t work very well since I didn’t actually have any of the symptoms. Meanwhile my mental health steadily declined. Finally I politely told her I’d seek a second opinion and never came back. I honestly don’t think I’m ever going back to therapy again. I grew up with a clinical psychologist for a father, and he always talked about how beneficial it could be. Society is always telling me how beneficial it can be. People are always telling me therapy will fix my problems. Screw that. Screw all of it. I will fix my problems. Thus far, I’ve had a keener insight into my own psychology than any therapist I’ve ever met. And that sounds really arrogant, but the more research I’ve done on the therapeutic process, the more I’ve come to suspect that most therapists simply aren’t very good.

Umm. I don’t want a therapist. I don’t need a therapist. And I’m not posting these videos to receive some sort of stand in for therapy. I have plenty of bedroom behaviors that I keep between myself and my husband. But this particular issue, despite my discomfort in openly discussing it, is something I feel does very much need to be discussed. I spent many years of my life being confused by this aspect of my sexuality, and I have seen many other women online who are suffering from similar confusion. It would have helped me a great deal to have this information made available to me earlier in my life, and in speaking about it, I hope to make it available to others who are struggling the way I struggled. Moreover, there is a great deal of misinformation in the public discourse about this topic. There are many people who call us perverts, and I think it’s only reasonable that we should be allowed to voice our disagreement. Lastly, sometimes labels are useful. The point of language is to organize and communicate information. If a label is just a fuzzy feel-good acquisition you can stick up in your bio, it’s not serving much of a purpose. But in my case, identifying and labeling a collection of interrelated feelings and behaviors, and then using that label to grow a deeper understanding of myself, not just as a sexual being but as a wholistic individual, is very useful.

I’m an autoandrophile- a biological female who is sexually drawn to being male. I decided not to transition because I already have a family, and if I were to transition it would be very hard on them. And also I’m not too keen on the health effects transition would have on me. Mostly, I don’t feel like I need to transition. I have other things I do to cope with those feelings, and they’ve never been strong or severe enough that transition seemed necessary in my case.

@@oakleavesandonions771 thanks, that's very interesting. Hypothetically If you could transition would it be for sexual purposes mostly?

@@leefrancis007 Honestly, it doesn’t feel particularly sexual to me. It took me years to figure out that I was an autoandrophile because most of the feelings I experience are a sense of comfort and joy in masculine things. I don’t think the medical options that are available would allow me to change the things about myself I want to change, but if there was a hypothetical magic option… honestly, I suspect there might be a sexual undertone to it. I’m not sure I’d be entirely aware of it. I love hanging out with men, and it would be downright magical to just be one of the guys without that constant unspoken barrier that always bars me from entry. That part wouldn’t be sexual. That would just be a relief. But I also try to be very realistic about it. I’ve been socialized as a woman my whole life. I don’t know how I would begin to navigate social expectations as a man. I think, if I could magically change into a genuine biological male, I’d be so preoccupied with trying to survive all the changes that the occasions I looked in a mirror and thought, “damn, I love what’s happened to my body” would only be a small (but meaningful) portion of how I would experience it.

@@oakleavesandonions771 wow that's insightful. It sounds like you would transition if you could which would mean you are more aligned with being transgender?

@@leefrancis007 I’m not sure. I think one of the things that’s really helped me a lot is accepting that there is no real way for me to transition. I can change superficial elements of my appearance, and I can work very hard to “act” masculine. But I cannot ever become a biological man. Knowing this has allowed me to set aside the fantasy of becoming male and focus on making the best of the body that I have.

Autogynephilia is a man’s sexual desire to become a woman. When a woman has a sexual desire to become a man it is called autoandrophilia. (“Gyno” means woman and “andro” means man.) Some people describe it as a fetish because it is abnormal sexuality, but others have pointed out that a fetish is a sexual attraction to an object instead of a person. Autogynephiles and autoandrophiles are not attracted to objects- in many cases they’re just attracted to their own female/male alter ego.

When I said “keep it in your pants” I mostly meant being overtly sexual in public. I honestly think men should be allowed to wear feminine clothes in public without negative consequences- for many of the same reasons you just mentioned. Women’s clothing really are a different sensory experience than men’s clothing. Honestly, I think it would be cool to start a clothing line of silky/feminine clothing that’s tailored for male bodies.

@@oakleavesandonions771 I totally agree with this. It is the overtly sexual that is the issue. But that raises more criteria. What constitutes overtly sexual? Sure, jerking off, or stroking in public is not good, nor is an unobstructed, clearly visible erect penis, but what else? Cause people like KJK will liken any man in any feminine styles to be overtly sexual. (I wear miniskirts at times, and there are those that consider those overtly sexual...which I effing hate, when people say that about women wearing them let alone GNC guys.)

@@pythosdegothos6181 Honestly, I think a lot of feminists just hate men. That’s a bias I have against feminism, but there you go. At the end of the day, some of these women just hate men, and as long as you’re a biological male, they’re going to criticize everything you do. As for the sexual behavior- I had to file a sexual harassment complaint against a coworker at my previous job. He wasn’t just harassing me, it was every woman he worked with. He even harassed a girl fresh out of high school, and he was my age. When he realized I wasn’t receptive to his advances, he started trying to get me fired by lodging various complaints about me. He did this to a female manager, and the teenager as well. If anyone had taken him seriously we could have been fired. So, at that point I felt like I didn’t have any choice but to file a complaint. That dude was 100% plain vanilla heterosexual. It was very clear that he was being inappropriate. Everyone recognized that his behavior was unacceptable. No one wanted to be the person to make a fuss and call him out on it- myself included. I only complained because I felt like he’d left me with no choice. I might be wrong, but I suspect that if we started calling out inappropriate behavior as inappropriate behavior, regardless of whether it’s a trans person acting inappropriately or not, it should become relatively simple to identify the bad actors. Maybe I’m underestimating the enormity of the problem, but it seems like a lot of people are using the “trans” label to get away with behaviors that would never be tolerated otherwise. If we stop tolerating unacceptable behavior, it’s reasonable to assume that it would stop. So, wearing a dress? Fine. Wearing a dress and sneaking into a women’s changing room to take naked pictures of the women changing there? Clearly not okay. I saw a video of a dad walking his daughter into a women’s public restroom, and there was a man just hanging out in there. Not in drag or anything, just hanging around, waiting. I’ve seen men use the women’s restroom because the men’s was broken down. They’re apologetic about it. This guy just kind of slinked off when he saw the dad (who was also recording the whole thing). He clearly was not acting appropriately. Sorry for the long reply. Anyway, my suspicion is if we just start objectively looking at behavior, it will become clear when people are out of line.

@@oakleavesandonions771Nothing here do I disagree with, everything stated makes perfect sense.

I would very much rather find common ground with someone who occasionally says things I disagree with than spend my life opposed to everyone because it’s impossible to find someone I agree with 100% of the time.

@isaacscurlingcream I suggest reading the entirety of the Juvenile Transsexualism chapter in order to better appreciate the context of the couple sentences you found displeasing.

@@oakleavesandonions771 There is nothing a paraphilic gaslighter can do for me that is worth enabling the chemical castration of children. Thanks, but no thanks.

@@autohet “I have a proposal. Instead of giving puberty blocker monotherapy to juvenile transsexuals, give them what they actually want: cross-sex hormones.” How did I misinterpret this?

@@PussyWillowFairybased

Okay, so first, you have to be willing to listen to detransitioners. A lot of people argue that they’re not really trans, but they got filtered through the system anyway, so it’s important to hear what they have to say. And there are a lot of them. I see many people quoting statistics that the rate of dissatisfaction with transition is less than 1%, and that’s lovely. But what they don’t take into account is that this a very outdated statistic. Whether or not you believe there’s an ROGD epidemic, it is impossible to look at the numbers and deny that there’s been a massive rise in trans-identifying young people. And with that rise has come a similar (and very poorly documented) rise in detransitioners. Now, if you’re wondering how anyone could think there’s a rise in detransitioners without good documentation, there’s a few different places to look that might give you a rough idea. The exact number isn’t known, but if you look up detransitioners on social media, you’re going to find quite a lot of them publicly talking about their lives. But say that isn’t the tip of an iceberg. Say that’s really 100% of that 1% of detransitioners the statistics were talking about. Okay, then you look at online forums like Reddit’s detrans community. It currently has 52k members. But let’s say some of those are just folks who joined up to watch other people cite their woes. What else would indicate that there’s homophobia in the trans community? Well, that’s where it becomes a bit of a breadcrumbs game. You have to be open to the possibility that homophobia is driving some percentage of people to transition. That definitely goes against what we’ve all been taught, but if you pay close attention to what individuals are saying and doing, you catch bits of it. The Nashville shooter’s manifesto was littered with homophobic slurs. Numerous accounts from people working at the Tavistock gender clinic (and if you haven’t read about Tavistock I strongly recommend that you do) mention gay children seeking transition. Eventually there comes a tipping point where you’ve collected enough little bits of evidence and personal anecdotes from unrelated individuals that you find yourself saying, “They can’t ALL be transphobes.” Now, if you’re feeling daring, and you don’t want to spend hours and hours combing through personal accounts of trans, detrans and medical care professionals, try listening to an interview with Dr. Az Hakeem. A lot of people say he’s a conversion therapist. Okay, so he’s a conversion therapist. Listen to what the guy says and fact-check everything. If he’s a true conversion therapist, you’re going to start finding holes in his logic. Because conversion therapy doesn’t work, and it’s illegal because it’s inhumane. So listen to the dude and try to figure out where he’s being inhumane or unreasonable. And if he talks about the dangers of puberty blockers- that’s a very debated topic, but I’d suggest it’s an argument between old information and new information. Originally, we were all told blockers were perfectly safe. And then we gave them to a lot of people. And now, if you do some digging on why other countries have heavily restricted them, you’ll find some things.

@oakleavesandonions771 So, I read through what you said and looked into the different points. Firstly, the detransition rate: Yes, the "less than 1%" is an old statistic. The newer statistic homes in on 0.3%. As treatment options and methods have improved and social acceptance has gone up, the detransition/regret rate has gone down, as has the suicide rate. The numbers for this come not only from medical professionals and clinics, but from overall population statistics using national registries. Secondly, ROGD has not been recognized by any major professional association as a valid mental health diagnosis, and use of the term has been discouraged by professional and academic institutions due to a lack of reputable scientific evidence, major methodological issues in existing research, and likelihood to cause harm by stigmatizing gender-affirming care. Worrying about a trans epidemic is about as silly as worrying about a gay epidemic; it's just fearmongering by transphobes. Third, I read an interview and Az Hakeem comes across as quite rational and reasonable in it, yet admits himself that he's shunned by the wider medical community these days. He claims he's not for or against transitioning and just wants more therapy talk to happen with the patients, which is an idea I can get behind. However, I will note that his mixed pre-hormone and regretful post-op group therapy sessions are missing some vital demographics, namely mid-hormone, post-hormone-pre-op, and satisfied post-op. I can definitely see how his grouping of uncertain pre-hormone patients with regretful post-op patients can be seen as biased and discouraging of transitioning procedures.

@@seleuf Okay. You and I are reading some very different figures here. Where did you find the research on transitioner satisfaction rates? Also, I probably shouldn’t use the term ROGD as a shorthand for “exaggerated rise in numbers of trans-presenting patients”. But that number has gone up. Quite dramatically.

@oakleavesandonions771 You can look at the wikipedia page on detransitioning and follow the citation links to various scientific journals and papers, or do a search on google scholar to find scientific journals and papers.

@oakleavesandonions771 The drastic rise in transgender patients seeking gender-affirming care has a lot to do with the rise in social acceptance of transgender people, the rise in social acceptance of mental health issues being health, the rise in social acceptance of seeking therapy, and the advances in medical prodedures for transgender people. That said, gender dysphoria, transgender expression, and attempts at gender-affirming care aren't new. Look up Magnus Hirschfeld at some point for some fascinating and tragic trans history.

There is a difference between spontaneous arousal & performing your paraphilia in public. I would have more sympathy if it weren’t for all of the gaslighting. First, autogynephilia didn’t exist. Then, it does exist, but it’s a sexual orientation like being gay. Now, I have to pretend that a man performing his paraphilia without the consent of those around him is not a huge 🚩.

A man performing out his fetish in public is not keeping it to himself. He's forcing women and children to participate.

Misandry & authoritarianism. Plain and simple

The 'so what' part comes in when you're forced to witness it. I have been several times. It's not cute. Whatever happened to jerking it in private...

@@PussyWillowFairy So if a man is wearing a regular dress in public, is he performing his paraphilia? Or when he is sexually aroused by it? Or when his apparel or performance is clearly sexual, regardless of arousal? As @oakleavesandonions771 said in another comment, it shouldn't be that hard to pick out the pervs and leave the non-pervs alone to live their lives.

Do you not know that a man can be pregnant? Tongue in cheek, as they used to say.

@@namnori8804 i just can't 🤣