Boeing 737 MAX - the legacy of the king 

the meaning of "legacy" has changed rather a lot since this video was made. rip B737 max series.. hello B737 8200.

As usual, the accidents were by pilots outside the US, lesser pilots

knockitofff Ridiculous blanket comment. I’m an American pilot with 6,000 hours in the 737 and 3,000 in the 756 families.

skyserf facts

​@@knockitofff Thats not the mindset, as to why aviation became relatively safe over the time. Not saying, that you dont got a point to some degree, but badly trained and therefor badly acting* pilots were just one part of the whole problem. FAA, Boeing, the Airlines and the Piltos could've done better, to prevent these accidents from happening. But none of these parties did a great jab. The pilots are the poor ones for beeing the last in this chain of failure, and they are the only ones who paid with their lifes. All in all, your comment seems to be small-minded, arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful. * = badly acting in terms of: "Only a nearly perfect performance could've saved the planes".

Well a former McD’s employee was indeed the CEO..... A McDonald’s employee would have done a better job. 🤦‍♂️

The joke is that McDonnell-Douglas purchased Boeing with Boeing's money. Boeing buys them then McDonnell-Douglas execs took over the company and kicked the Boeing execs out, somehow. The lawyer-accountants replaced the engineers at the top of the company, hence the 737Max disaster. With that and the communist labor unions, it's the end of Boeing.

Billions with grounding of all 737 Max worldwide. Irreparable damage to Boeing’s reputation and lawsuits.

@@Eatshhhushi at this time it appears to be around 20 billion bucks considering everything involved

Hindsight is 20/20. It would have been less expensive to started fresh

15 billion dollars and counting. Literally the development price of a new aircraft.

I'll just remind everyone that Boeing has spent $46 billion to buy & cancel their own shares, 25% eliminated which causes the share price to rise. Now they are borrowing $10-12 billion for short term cash flow? The "value" of 5000 planes is 0.5 trillion! When no passengers will fly on it they will suffer HUGE depreciation or the orders will be cancelled altogether. Ryanair ordered 100 but said they will not be forcing customers to fly on it --- they are NOT stupid!!

Yeah enjoy flying on it when it gets back in the air.. Gonna be lonely up there!

*Laughs in A220*

Lion Air !!! 😭

Lion Air is the worst airline ever and has the worst customer service amongst all Indonesian airlines.

I dont think its a boeing fault. But totaly by lion who careless in their service.

they use the faulty plane for a week after knowing major problems exist

And today. Another 737 max is down

I got my popcorn ready

Agreed! Excellent podcast. But boardcasting an useless and not trust worthy plane. What for?

Lion Air !!! 😭

Hope it will be the only one- oof too late

"modernized"? or "coffinized"? 2 total loss crashes of new aircrafts within 6 months: Lion Air and Ethiopian Airline.

The competition make Boeing excel

Paul Stewart I doubt Boeing will let anyone overtake the 737, they already lost the queen of the skies title to the Airbus A380 because they they thought double decker wouldn’t work but Airbus did, & they aren’t trying to give anything else away to ANYBODY else

Kevin Thomas jr. - The double decker business is dead horse. Airbus it's sales of A380 is highly disappointing and are selling them at a great loss.

inisipisTV that may be true as of now, however unlike most people, businesses look at business moves FAR ahead of what people see currently. Who is to say that the losses now won’t be made later? I can’t say that it would, but Airbus knew what they were doing when they designed the A380 & why. Calling it a dead horse before Airbus does is premature

Kevin Thomas jr. The A320 family of aircraft overtook the B737 family years ago.

You must be either Mad or Stupid..Sorry mate.

Really?can't wait for it

are you blind or smth?

its his opinion so relax

@@konfunable it is buetfull

And Deadly.

Lewis DSD It’s so beautiful you’ll drop dead!

It will be the last generation of the 737.

Don't really think that the issue is the design. It seems unlikely to me. But hopefully we'll find out soon.

@@TheOttomemeEmpire Fact From FDR JT-610. Boeing 737 Max 8 Speed Indicator Is Broken. And it's can't repair by regular maintenance.

Ironically the same plane type crashed in Ethiopia ...

@@TheOttomemeEmpire So how likely is it looking now do you think?!

@@MajorDrama1 Well it's confirmed that it's a design issue now. About the Ethiopian accident, though, a similar accident occured with the same airline under similar conditions due to pilot error... Either way it's not looking good for the 737 MAX.

King coffin? Luck up plane finder and put 737 in the filter 1000s of 737s in the air!

@@mrrednick81 1000s of 737 Max? Nice troll.

@@Bobman84troll? I never said 737 max fucktard 737s not the max are Safe that's the point I'm making about how miny are in the air above your dumass

stfu

@@mrrednick81 but for how long?

@@77l96 how so?

@@77l96 bullshit

A320 CEO: around 19 fatal crashes 737 NG: around 12 fatal crashes

@@sideyoke1476 that's bullshit and you can't even spell NEO. What an idiot.

@@77l96 what an idio.t.. 0.8 is 8 times bigger than 0.10 go get lost idi..t

very cool!

@Black no reply looks like he's gone bc of dehyration

I won't fly on this one as well but thankfully I don't fly much as don't need. I love driving anyhow since I took my first road trip in 1986 after high school. God Bless!

Avoiding walking outside too... You might get struck by lightning

I would not fly it at its current stage. But when it re-enters service. I will wait 365 days and if it has not crashed under that period. I will conclude that it is safe to fly the MAX and will not avoid it.

Yeah, good luck avoiding it these days

That took a dark turn

You like someone else I know. Always blow things up. Some will say make a mountain out of a mole hill. I believe only 2 crashes and here on youtube, they have a video that the pilots could have safe them. No doubt, it needed fixing but come on. the 737 like sold more planes than any other type. Every 5 seconds there is one landing or taking off. Wow. is what I say to that, not make fun of this plane.

CaptainArt777 Boeing installed the MCAS system on the MAX, that a whole new system and they told the airlines no need to have a pilot training? Hell no! Even though know the MAX flaws but Boeing didn't care to fix them, just wanted to rush the MAX to enter service

Serge Vivier That's cuz regulations. They can not change to much about the cockpit because if they do. They cant name it a 737 but it needs to be a new model. Very logical regulations but now you know ;)

The problem is its ground clearance with prevents it from using the geared higher bypass PW1100G engines like the Neo.

Yeah having an asymmetrical cockpit really helped AF447 as the co pilot didn’t know the PIC was holding the joy stick all the way back. No thx

Serge Vivier no it is not

Airlines wanted it like that, and it's easier and faster to convert crews over from the NG to the MAX. While we may not like that, it's for economical and faster.

No it's not

Screamliner? The 787 already owns Flameliner on account of the dodgy exploding batteries farce.. Its a family thing!

If they were going to "FIX" it, it would be done already.. Nobody's going to fly that thing now. Whos going to endorse the "new", "safe" aircraft? Boeing? The FAA? Do the flying public trust these advocates? I doubt it

Red Ice explain

Urho completely new aircraft

Christopher Coke Robinson no i meant why do we need a new one

The problem with the 737 is that, because of decisions made for the very first 737, it is not competitive enough in the current market. Sure they have been able to update it enough to keep it just good enough, but it's not enough anymore to beat Airbus. With some outdated design characteristics they can at best be second in the single isle market. If they want to beat Airbus in the single isle market they have to design a completely new aircraft that can use the most modern technological advancements from the start. With updating an aircraft you can only do so much before you reach the maximum potential, and Boeing has almost reached that point and many further advancements are so difficult and expensive for relatively little improvement that it's not worth it. And it's not a surprise, the development on the 737 started about 55 years ago and the first (test) flights were performed over 50 years ago. Back then engine technology was very different, requirements for short turnaround-times, airports services, runway requirements were all different, the possible materials were different and as the world of aviation was different airlines required different types of aircraft. One of those things was that a twin-engine aircraft could cross oceans, thus there wasn't much need for long-range single isle aircraft, which is much different now. Boeing can keep up with the 737 for the next decade probably, but in my opinion, they should start some fundamental development on a replacement for the 737 that can form that backbone of Boeing for the 21st century.

Red Ice i

The flaying coffins!

POTUS Trump just ordered it so.

What about recently the AeroMexico aircraft that crashed. It wasn’t a max! It was 800.

stfu

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damn

Last point is fairly week - just as much a problem with wire bundles, and the solution is to route multiple bundles through so that it is less likely that all will be taken out. But it's amazing (and great) that we live in a time where it is unusual to have the old hydromechanical control systems that used to be so standard

cnordegren I’m also neutral

yup so did toyota created cars to compete with gmc and ford, but toyota is way better

uhhh hello did you forgot about *Comfort*

Two different markets. Boeing does a better job catering to Airlines that are profit driven first. Hence the 737 max really means the 737 thats "cramped to the max seats". While Airbus would cater to Airlines that are government owned and care more for service and comfort before profit as they are essentially flying ambassadors for that country ie. Emirates.

Muhammad Akram Al Hanif please learn correct grammar

This will almost certainly be the final generation of the 737, as once the Max is done it will be replaced by a clean-sheet narrowbody.

@@electric7487 I think that's why Boeing put a MAX in it. The Max means upgraded to it's max. Hope you have understood

@@sideyoke1476 Not sure about that, but whatever

Haha.. Love It. Or the rhyming slang "I Max-8 (hate) it when that happens"!

Shut up

Neutral airplane fan, or anyone who actually flies planes instead of jerking off to them in the airport observation lot.

The 737 was launched in about 1967 and has more then 10,000 delivered with orders for more then 4,000 more. This needs some explanation and I have yet to hear it. I suspect it has to do with diligent upgrades, commonality of maintenance and flight certification, and lower costs because of continuity of production line. But damn. Four thousand more 737's FIFTY years after introduction?

@@davidrapalyea7727 Yes. This is what the media are missing and don't want to tell people. Because all they care about are money and clicks. R As a long-time avgeek, reading through a lot of these comments really makes me embarrassed to be an avgeek.

Yea, sudden onset of trouble? ...undo the last thing you did. But that onset might have been delayed; one plane even had same problem and maintenance missed fixing it. A few minutes of training, even a mention how/why MCAS worked could have helped those doomed pilots deal with that crazy trim wheel situation: *Turn those two switches OFF or Add any amount of FLAPS and MCAS stops jack-screwing around.* 20:20 hindsight Cost Cuts versus Training and now Lost Reputation. FUBAR sucky software design that lacked standard redundancy (needs at least three sensor inputs, not just one). Called it _pilot error_ at first before Trump grounded all of them. Even if much safer now, how are future sales doing? Will anyone still buy a ticket to fly? So sad. R.I.P.

Lion Air !!! 😭

The engineering is done in Everett though. Boeing doesn't have engineers in Renton for design, just in support of manufacturing

Why would we go back to 757s and 717s? There isn't a market for them. And why axe off the 737 MAX when it can be improved and modified, like the models you mentioned?

@@person.w9780 Some lines can't be uncrossed. Not only MAX will not be coming back, but the whole brand of 737 has been smeared for good, that's why I'm not mentioning it and talk about the only 2 single aislemodels with good reputation that Boeing had.

Aaah but you can just turn off the MCAS software as this hull shape is aerodynamically too unstable to fly without a computer nanny monitoring and nudging its natural tendency to stall.. All a by-product of "pushing the (efficiency) design envelope".. So you have limit state engineering augmented by software to nudge it into a (just) pass category on aerodynamic stability.. Houston (Seattle) I think we have a much bigger problem!

@@MajorDrama1 Nope, not true at all.

@@AmbientMorality then why does MCAS exist?

@@christophermorley161 MCAS exists not because the plane is unstable. It's because it must behave the same way old 737's behave, so no expensive pilot training is needed. But it does not behave the same, mainly because the position of the new engines. So MCAS was created so it feels like and old 737 to the pilot. It backfired spectacularly as we can see.

@@felipaorfr It exists for both reasons. You are correct in that the "Augmentation" part of the name is due to making to making it feel like a 737, but its other job is compensating for the aircraft's aerodynamic instability due to the new placement of the engines. It is unstable because if power is added, then the nose tends to pitch up, as the thrust is below the centre of gravity. However, it will pitch up much further than the old 737NG, and will enter a stall much more readily. It is for this second reason that MCAS is required. Instability is like a ball on top of a hill. The steeper the hill, the faster the ball will roll, like the more unstable an aircraft is, the more quickly it will deviate from straight level flight. The other thing about this is, the ball takes a lot of energy to stop it rolling, and much more energy to reverse the roll and get it to the top of a hill. Same with aerodynamics in aircraft: the more unstable, the more energy is needed to stop the pitching up and tons is needed to reverse it and achieve level flight. This is part of why MCAS exists- the Boeing test pilots were horrified by what they found when they started chucking it about, and the trim needs to be adjusted to compensate for the plane's willingness to pitch up dramatically at high AOA. However, you are very right in suggesting that it was to make it similar/the same to fly as the previous 737, but that's only part of the reason.

Better cancel all orders. Boeing 737 MAX = flying coffin

That's right

Aaha.. And who will assure us that "The Fix" indeed makes it Safe? Boeing?

The MAX is back in service and its safety will be established by its record.

Like a regular jet engine

@@77l96 at least other ones didn't crash as quickly as the max 8s...