Byrna SD VS Umarex Glock 17 Gen 5 | Battle of the TITANS! Which do I carry?! 

Slip of the tongue folks, The stock Byrna SD magazine holds five rounds, six with one in the chamber.

Thanks for the head to head video. These are quite useful for those considering which less lethal option or just getting into it. Regarding the Glock, S&W and Walther magazines with C02; I would suggest getting a quick piercing mag. It provides the storage and ready to use without losing air until you hit the quick puncture button. Lastly, I wouldn't mind seeing a head to head between the Glock and the Walther. My understanding is the Walther and Glock have the highest fps for .43 cal C02 pistols. Just something to consider.

I get the Byrna for everyday carry and the hdr for home. I had the Walther PPQ and sold it. After seeing the impact of the 68 cal the 43 cal was like hell no. The Byrna is for me.

This are great options for my kids when daddy is not home for the self defense option. Love your videos..... Yes I have expressed gun safety and teach gun safety often to them.

Great video as always brother. I've never purchased the Glock but I do own the PPQ and the S&W. I kind of switch up what I carry each day. Mostly I carry the byrna because of one reason that you forgot to mention.The byrna is a much lighter EDC.

Another great advantage, more pepper powder in a 68 caliber.

I could hear real glock owners complain about why not use 9mm. But for people like you who don't want to shoot 2 kill. Also huge amounts less 💵 and human lives matters. Thanks 4 showing its capabilities and pros and cons 👍. I'm going to buy Umerax Glock Gen 5 Tan from my local Turner's Outdoorsman.

You know I’ve called you many times regarding this topic. As a transport asset protection officer, deterrence is number one. Second is accuracy. Third is effectiveness. And forth is legality. I don’t use pepper balls at all so I use solid alloy aluminum riot balls. They make them for the Byrna but they are extremely heavy and has an effect on accuracy and functionality of the Byrna. This is a huge disadvantage for me. My S&W T4E, I can use the solid alloy aluminum rounds made in perfect weight for the gun, only 1.9 grams which are less than the standard 3 gram kinetic rounds and hit way harder and they are extremely accurate. Also, I’ve modified my valve spring and according to a Facebook/RU-vid post, this will allow as much as 20% increase on FPS. The poster did the valve spring up grade and chronograph using .8 gram rounds, he got as high as 400 fps. That’s a huge improvement for a simple swap of the valve spring. I’ve done the valve spring swap and all I can say is, “Wow, this is amazing,” I don’t have a chronograph so I can’t say for sure that I’m getting higher fps than stock valve spring, but I can definitely feel that the recoil is definitely not the same as stock. Next is reliability. With the Byrna, you blow a seal, it’s way harder to fix than the T4E’s pistols. I blow a seal, I just swap out the magazine and done. And, just as you mentioned, I keep my gun fully charged and have done so for over two months now. I do change out my CO2 cartridge every week to practice and oil my gun/seals. I’ve noticed no leaks and now I’m experimenting to increase the time to 2 weeks between CO2 cartridge changes. At each duty shift, I do one test shot to make sure that all is functional. Because there are 8 rounds in a magazine and 8 shots is equivalent to one magazine, that’s why I change CO2 cartridges. But, 8 shots don’t equal 8 straight duty days for me. 8 duty days could be 2 weeks for me. Thus, why I’m thinking of straight 2 week change cycles. All in all, I prefer the T4E over my Byrna. It meets the 4 points I mentioned and I can use the projectiles that I prefer. If the value spring swap does add more fps, then my t4e hits as hard as the Byrna. Plus, I have more benefits with the t4e than the Byrna such as stock holders, sightings, and functionality. I hope to own a firearm someday and the t4e is prefect for training and practicing.

Perfect! This is a very helpful comparison man. Thanks for the upload

Once again a great video lovin it My Brother!!! I have been trying to choose between these two for my next purchase and I couldn't believe it when I saw this video....😮😅😅😅

thank you for the info I just brought the Byrna SD

These guns are pretty serious, less lethal “less lethal” read the entire manual and it stated multiple times death is a high possibility spinal injuries and permanent injuries. So pretty safe to say that if you have to rely on it to protect your life it’s a pretty decent option to have. I also like the feeling of the Byrna SD I was really impressed by how it feels in your hands just like a real gun, and if you get it in black it looks exactly like a real deadly handgun. So be aware it is no toy! It’s got a safety switch. Handle it as you would a real gun.

Great video bro! Can't wait to get my PPQ, just got confirmation it'll be coming next Thursday! I almost feel like a kid waiting on Christmas to come lol

Mounted a low profile laser sight on my Byrna today and it didn't change the profile or weight in any way that would affect my ability to use it accurately. I have the holster that I bought from Byrna with a retention clip because California, and even with the laser sight mounted on the underside of the Byrna it still holsters and draws smoothly. I agree that either of those launchers, or any of the others I've seen you demonstrate are very effective at stopping anyone at range. I'll be completing the Chemical Agent Certification exam by the end of the month and then I finally be able to buy some Pepperball rounds legally here 😋 And Yes if you draw any of these weapons on a Cop, you're gonna get what you deserve no doubt.

Another Informative and Fun air gun video :) Is your unleaking charged walther the P36? Also I preferred the old camera quality and especially the lower angle, but I understand we have to make changes sometime! Thanks as always for your enjoyable content :)

Thank you for great content, now the hardest thing is deciding which to get. Do they fit in a sling bag or iwb?

Awesome review! I was concidering getting either of these, now I think I'll get the glock. Do they sell pepper spray balls for the glock?

Great video! I was going to get the Byrna LE for power but it’s big. It seems like the SD may have enough power?

in my PPQ ( and I am thinking of getting another one because these are really really nice) I mostly use the RIOT BALLS nylon solids that fly out pretty fast and they are $69 for 500. the aluminum solids are $69 for 100. and when I shoot the nylon balls into a box I fill it with old cloths and a old magazine as backing . then I dig them out and look at them, they always seem good so I reuse them ( but I still keep buying more anyway). they do a good job on targets and soda cans and such. I also have the M&P version ( at one time that was my issue gun, M&P 40,. now we use Glock 19 Gen 5s) maybe Umearex will make a Glock 19 version? I think that would be nice.

You could probably stopped someone if they get shot in the leg or around the knee area too.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this. I purchased a Byrna but was unaware there was a Glock available. Regarding color: I chose orange because 1) I didn't want a LEO to think I was carrying a firearm and 2) it still has the stopping power of a more realistic looking Byrna. Are you aware of any problem with the Byrna having difficulty launching the "generic" 0.68 rounds?

Seems me a more fair comparison would be Byrna .68 vs HDP .50 (20J). Could you do that next? Thanks indeed!

Love the shirt man! and those are sweet weapons

I've used my Hd in a 6-7 foot distance against an aggressor! Thats a more real situation than the 45-20 ft distance and u think stoppage is better in a real 6-7-8 ft distance . luckily i was successful and able to get away

Hi there, 2 questions. Have you shot the Umerex gen 5 with steel balls? I just ordered mine for self defense carry, and I also purchased steel ball rounds. Curious to see the fps and joule rating with those. Also, you mention pellet oil for the co2 seal, with regular gun oil also work? Thank you.

I have two 5 round magazines with OC/CS balls.

I'm sorry 45ft is not the right distance I'm retired NYPD I was taught at range most shootings happen from 4 to 7 ft like a car jacking or a mugging

Geezus man the .68 is HUGE they really need to make a t4e glock 17 ppq2 m%p vp9 all of them to be .68 or atleast .50 and atleast 30 joules like their revolvers

I enjoy your presentation and content. How can I make contact in order to see your inventory of less lethal guns as well as modifications?

Hey Jon! This is a great comparison test video. I had a question about the Byrna 7 cap mags which are available. Do you think they’re good to load live chem rounds? Several comments from the community say that there’s a chance the 7 cap mag can break chem rounds and cause leaks because of overpressure in the magazine, especially when going with 7+1. What are your thoughts on tuning the mags to run better without breaking them?

Thanks so much for this great info. I read that this Glock is used for training and not necessarily self defense. What are your thoughts on the pepper balls for the Glock, enough to deter an attacker?

I just adjust the screw a little bit on the back of my Byrna EP and attached the booster and 12g co2... will be at least around 300 fps now or higher?.... because i really like this little monster so far

Designing the Byrna to use non-standard CO2 cartridges has to be one of the dumbest marketing decisions in the history of dumb marketing decisions. It appears to be nothing more than Byrna trying to assure that everyone has to obtain their shooting supplies ONLY from them and it will likely be the failure of the product, and perhaps the company. Just completely stupid.

nice test

I have the byrna SD and you have five rounds with 1 in the chamber so you shouldn’t load more than a 5 round clip 4 in the clip after it loads 1 to the chamber

Great video can you put the link for the ammo what's best for the Burna?

I just ordered the SD, can you puncture the cartridge with the safety on w/o out discharging a round? What was that skull made out of?

My byrna wasn't firing up to standards, very weak at most times so I took it apart to see if I could fix it well that I couldn't figure out, so now I can't get it back together, I can't find anyone that repairs them byrna says nothing wrong with it of course so would you be interested in looking at it and put it back together for a affordable price I would be very greatful If you could

The Walther is actually way more accurate than the Glock

How did i miss this video the two popular less lethal guns i should of watched this before buying, im almost sure i almost watched all your glock17gen5 t4e videos but i missed this one... wtf

Hi Jon. Quick question. Do you use the Jawbreakers in your Byrna for everyday carry? Why not use the Byrna kinetic rounds made for the launcher? I will appreciate your thoughts.

Walther vs the Glock for daily carry?

Is the glock considered a paint ball pistol and not a self defense tool?

Dang the Glock is over $320? At that point you could almost buy a 'real' glock then fill it with rubber bullets/pepper rounds, and you'd still have the lethal ammo options.. ..I guess it would be perfect for some locations where 'real' guns aren't allowed though.. The Glock looks great and I like the fact you can use 'real' accessories. I like the 8shots, its accurate, it did some pretty decent/relative damage to that 'skull' compared to the .67cal.. The glock would be my 1st choice if I lived somewhere where 'real' guns weren't allowed.. at that point spending an extra hundred bucks or so would be worth putting towards any benefits that could potentially save my life). However I would only want to use pepper rounds in my 'less-lethal' weapons, which I would only assume the larger caliber is 'better' in that category considering the volume of the shell..? Has anyone done a .43 pepper ball test vs a .67? (I wont be the 1st!)

Why do you edc a c02 pistol, and how do you keep them from leaking gas with cartridge installed.

Can the TE4 Glock 17 trigger be lighted in any way? So far, it's very cool/realistic, but the trigger pull is definitely not something to depend on for concealed carry. Any thoughts on reducing the pull just a little bit?

I have both but I prefer Byrna for the simple fact I am always afraid that the co2 will lick out on me after more then a year being in the glock what do you think ?

I do hope quick piercing mags come out for the Glock like I have for the M&P and PPQ . but if you do keep those loaded for a long period of time and the seals go it seems that would be just the magazine which can be easily replaced. so by more mags.

Why is it the Umarex Glock call its psitol paint ball gun not projectile gun????????

John how much do you charge for a t4e Glock gen 5 and two modified magazines

Hey, question. So I have been watching your vids, looking for a home and car pistol. Which one is your recommendation? Is the fps matters and the caliber? Thanks

I went to Umarex website and can only find Umarex Glock 17 Gen 5 BB or pellets guns. ????

I’m weary about guns but that’s awesome

Would you oil the Co2 for the Byrna like you do for other weapons ?

John, you got me to buy my HDP50 a month ago, but now as a 21 yr old woman realize this thing is too bloody big to carry everyday LOL, I’m looking at the Umarex TDP50 but I don’t know what would be a good smaller gun that I could carry that isn’t the weird 4 shot orange Umarex?

Hope you check out the grimburg gavle.

byrna mags hold 5 rounds* new ones hold 7

Do you ever. Demo blank pistols

Does the Umarex Glock have an extended mag option available?

Finally i found a mod that can get the t4e series up to 400fps.... you need to do the video brother please!!!!

Can we conceal carry the LE?

Is this a tech shoe or a firearms show😂

WHICH DO YOU PREFER?

Can u test the upgraded byrna on the scull

What velocities difference between the three

Are you going to review the bryna LE?

Impressive

Can you add a link to the best .43 rounds?

Hey John how much is a upgraded byrna from you?

You need to update your video sir.🙏

How heavy is the ammo you were using

Does anyone know which direction to turn the screw in the back of the byrna SD for power increase???Counter or counter clock???

Is that a real skull

new byrna mag holds 7 rounds not 8

The LTL bravo is the best one on the market made by a real firearms company puts out real power and is high quality realistic and full metal anything else is almost a joke especially the t4e pistols there the weakest things out there they barely leave a mark the ltl puts holes in skin

Exelente😊

Hey bro I want to channel a lot and I love your channel you know that I need a help over here my wife wants to know what to get the EP burner or the 50 cal HDR which one do you recommend for my wife

The glock is fine until you pull it and the ball goes half way to the bad guy

To many choices LOL

I go down to the butcher and get a head of a calf or a pig real bone mass material that still has all the parts inside. Then retest

Dude likes to hear himself talk.............................good grief!

The Glock is useless for self defense it’s a novelty at Best bro

Does anyone just get to the point, why do we need to sit thru 10min of fluff

If you point that thing at a cop he will blast your head of man. Get a real gun

I love my umarex launchers. For the price, the mods and power you can't beat the HDP50 to carry, HDR50 for home defense and the HDP50 compact is kind of a fun one too.. 25+ joules is no joke. I was thinking about buying a byrna, just for pepper rounds, but after watching the video below, I think I'll save my $400. Byrna vs HDR50 ( 11Joules) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2R03WoBuZPw.html

byrna wins

my sd was about 465

i have to pay 49$ for a 12hr test online

we love u byrna hahahaha

well this stop a person

i emailed you bro

they do it so kids dont buy it cheap