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I know these are old videos you made but man you have by far the best speaker comparisons of any on youtube as you do speaker comparisons exactly like they should be done and wish others would take notes from you as I think Zilla cabs speaker comparisons are some of the worst comparisons I've seen as they don't play back to back and when they do they play totally different riffs for each speaker but you got this down to science years ago and thank you man
Awesome!!! I love that your demos are so mission-oriented. So unlike other "demos" done by peddling noodling divas doing "look at me and my endorsements" videos that end up with everything sounding the same. Self-centered faux-demo attention-hog divas aren't focused on really helping others compare and contrast products. Your demos are pure gold!
This demo was perfect. Thanks. I think I'd be inclined to get the H-75 for my 1x12 cab just because it's a little bit louder and that's the difference between being heard or not with my rig and the gigs I tend to play. Sound-wise I liked both speakers. I thought they were very close in tone on the cleaner settings and the 75 just cut through more on the higher gain and lead. If I was using only for recording I would probably go for the 65.
Paul, excellent demo! Thanks for posting this. Both are really great sounding speakers - two different flavors of awesome. I have both, and this demo is probably the most accurate representation of what I hear, from gigging/recording/playing with both of them.
One thing that shouldn't be overlooked, as well, is the different feel from each of these. the smaller magnet in the M's has more of that vintage, Greenback "flex" to the feel. They have that awesome bloom and swell to the notes. The larger magnet H's feel more immediate; faster attack. Both are awesome for different reasons.
Thats a really cool description and spot on :) The Creamback M is a great replacement for someone that loves the tone of the Greenback but finds it a bit brittle
Awesome!!! I love that your demos are so mission-oriented. So unlike other "demos" done by peddling noodling divas doing "look at me and my endorsements" videos.
Generic sounding, boring riffs? I think not. Jeez, super super catchy. Love your speaker comparisons. Really helping cut through all the overwhelming choices. \,,/
Pretty close. The H is louder which might skew this comparison a little, I would have level matched them. I love Celestions and this is a wonderful video. Really a tough call for me, I'm sort of on the fence. I would like my DSL to be a little warmer (M), but I also love that big clear cutting sound (H). I've got a few weeks to think about it anyway, thanks for sharing.
I would go for the H75 mate..i bought a m65 for my dsl combo..yes it's warm and has very nice midrange if that's what you want for classic marshall sound it's awesome.. but i dare say the h75 would be a bit more versatile, nicer lower and top end and would cut through a mix even better and usable for more styles of music
Really great demo of the speakers with exactly the kind of run-through. Nothing 'crap' or 'boring' at all mate. Wish I could play a fraction as good as this.
Excellent video,I like how you did a little bit of everything music style wise,and I like your EVH tone! I have a 4-12" cab I am installing 2 Celestion V-series speakers in,and I need 2 more to fill it up,Celestion has so many excellent speakers to choose from,and I play mainly high gain,looking at the G12M-65 or a pair of Lynchbacks.might have to flip a coin to make the choice!! I have the 50 w EVH and the new EVH Lbx head,so whatever I put in there will sound awesome!! Thanks for the great video,I like all of your videos!
@@thomasgirardin7641 Nice! I may go for a 2x12 with those two speakers and give it holler. i was going to get a Marshall V30 speaker and pair it with a creamback but those two on their own sound great.
This was a great comparison video! The speakers are very similar but to my ears I like the "M" tone better although I can't put my finger on exactly why. Maybe a slight bit more clarity to the notes and chords? Thanks!
I own both, and side by side the H definitely has more clarity. That's based on the notion that clarity comes from a more balanced full range frequency response. The H has more low AND high freq response, and greater clarity to my ear. Maybe in saying "clarity" your reacting to the stronger mid presence that the M does indeed have. It's definitely darker, warmer sounding with noticeably rolled off highs, not in a bad way, but it is what it is. Again, in AB'ing them live in person the H def has more clarity and air to it, while still really treating the mids with a nice warm but cutting voice. I may mix another mid focused speaker with it to get the best of both worlds? That's why so many builders go with a G12H-30 and V-30 combination in cabs. Same concept, but depends on your rig and music style for sure.
Just want to say thanks for this video. Well thought out samples. Personally it sounded like a fairly subtle difference between the two, save for the metal rhythm clip. Also on the lookout for a DSL40C replacement speaker.
Hi Paul , very nice review , I have a question for you, I have Laney L5 Studio head with its closed Cab 1 X 12" CELESTION G12H 70TH ANNIVERSARY 30watt, do you think it's the right speaker for Blues, Rock and Hard Rock or do you suggest to try with another Celestion speaker? Thanks
Very interesting demo. I heard the G12H having more presence whereas the G12M didn't jump out as much, or stayed a bit more in the mix. So for me, I think I might favor the G12M since it would be a bit more forgiving with my < Al DiMeola playing skills. But both sounded great. I was looking for a G12M vs G12M-65 comparison, but this was informative too, since I've often ponder the G12H.
+GAS Man I totally agree with you. Thats why i use the G12M as one of my main speakers now :).................i still can't play like Al DiMeola though lol :)
Great demo! But makes the decision even harder! Any opinions on which you’d get for a fender twin? Note it’s attenuated so the wattage isn’t important, only tone
I suppose it depends on what sort of tones you want to prioritise. For clean tones I would probably take the openness of the 75 but if I were using lots of overdrive I would prob take the 65. The M magnets tend to tame the high end better with overdrive and smooth things out
Hello paul, first of all i'm really digging your video they sound so great :). I wanted to have your advice: i'am running an engl savage 120 on v30 greenback 4*12 but i hate the v30... too arch. I want a speaker than as the same greenback spirit but with more basse and a bit more mid. Do you think a creamback would do the job ? Have you tested the last creamback neo ? Thanks in advance :)
I have a blackstar with an extension cab. the amp has a v30 in it. I wanted to add the g12m to the extension cab. do you think the v30 would completely overpower the m? I'm just trying to warm it up a little. how do you think it would do with the h?
I just saw another demo on both of these an i like the 75 for a 1x12 but together they sound really nice, you did a good straight forward demo by the way. I had a question, what does the M & H stand for and is the 65&75 mean their wattage?
You did a great job on the comparison! I'm picking up a Peavey 5150 2x12 Combo this weekend and it was suggested by "The Doc" at Celestion to go with either the V30's which sound too bright for my taste or the Creamback M's. After checking out your video I definitely like the Creamback M's. In one of your reply's you stated that a dedicated cab would sound better than a combo cab. Are you suggesting to consider another speaker for a combo cab?
Paul Bateman do you have a suggestion for a speaker upgrade on a Laney VC30 with HH speaker? My main problem is it gets quite buzzy/muddy with overdrive . I am considering going upto Celestion gold if I will get the best. I like the VC30 sound in general but actually I also have a thing for ACDCish tones (greenback/creamback?)...
+Emre Emre I would chose a Creamback M for the VC30. The Alnicos are great speakers but if you like AC/DC tones then a ceramic magnet will give you a much thicker distortion (the alnico's can get a bit thin as you pump more gain into them). The reason i would go with a M magnet over a H magnet is because Laneys tend to need a warmer speaker as they can sound a bit brittle. The Greenback M would also be good but to my ear the creamback M is like a upgraded, tidier greenback M. Hope this helps :)
Hello. First of all, great demo. I see theres is a spec difference in termos of sensitivity between them. So i would like to ask.. Is the 75 a lot louder than the 65 in yout opinion? Thanks.
Kenji Kitahara lol I know what you mean. I was not to fussed about the outcome until I tried them and realised I love the 65m. Especially micing up at gigs where it stays nice and warm
I have a pair of EVH G12M's in a cab, and I guess that's what I've chosen for now, but I like them all... G12H, V30, 65's, Gold... but maybe not so much the T75's :)
I'm really torn. My DSL-40 has a 65M Creamback stock. My bandmate just put a V30 in his DSL-40. I really love my gear in his amp, but I'm just not sure I wanna swap. Jamming, his amp always overpowers mine in the mix, not in terms of volume, it's just more in your face, in a good way. I do feel at times that the low E string suffers through the V30. I'm considering a Creamback Alnico, but I've never played one, only heard them on RU-vid. Ugh, so many choices. I like that you describe the 75H as a smoother V30.
In my expereince with both those speakers is that the creamback just doesn't cut through in the mix as well as the V30..the v30 is also a more efficient speaker and it will sound louder. Another speaker to consider is the V type celestion which is more vintage voiced but has that v30 quality to it but with greenback sound. The v type definately cuts through the mix better than a creamback
Hey nice comparison, helps me to choose both of them for my 2x12 Cab What's the song you are playing in this demo? Iss this an official song or something you improved by yourself? Are there any tabs for this incredible riffing? . Want to play it too.
The 75 has a softer midrange than most the H magnets i've used. The 65 is a very well balanced speaker and sounds much better for lead guitar. It cuts through nicely yet still stays warm :) Thanks for watching :)
This was actually a really nice vid, great playing and great demonstration of both speakers! I also have the 5153 and use it for a lot of heavier music, but also play clean often and was considering getting a 2x12 with a set of cream backs or v30s. The 65 seem to tame this amp a bit and they look to be a choice pair, but have you any experience mixing speakers with this amp? I feel maybe a v-30 and cream back h would make a cool combo, or maybe just go with the two m's? very hesitant on making my decision!
Thanks mate :) I've had the amp for about 2 months now so i've not managed to try many different combinations of speakers yet. The ones i have tried are the ones in my recent videos. I put a Greenback in the Montage cab on friday so the next video will probably be the Greenback vs the Creamback M. After that i will probably bring the V-30 into the comparisons. There are so many different combinations possible, its hard to know what to do next lol. From the experience i gained from this video i would say the Creamback M is much better suited to the amp than a Creamback H. I have used the V-30 with this amp in a previous video and it sounded great so i imagine the combination of Cremback M and V-30 would sound very good.
Paul Bateman Thanks for the advice! I've played through a v-30 with this amp as well and it does sound killer! Can't go wrong with those speakers. Not sure if i wanna take the leap of faith for the cream backs though as i haven't played through a pair for myself. Might end up loading my 2x12 with V-30s then try out some cream backs when i get the money to do so and do some tone chasing which is always fun, haha.
I have a Creamback 65 in my DSL40C and while it sounds great the low end is too flabby. Considered the 75 but don't want more treble so will probably go with the venerable Vintage 30. Love the punch and richness of the V30.
I have not tried the 65 with a marshall. The low end using the 5150 was nice and tight so i'm surprised you had that trouble. Have you tried using an external cab to house the speaker?? Speakers tend to sound more focused in the low end in a dedicated cab than in a combo cab. Thanks for posting your findings :)
Paul Bateman - don’t kid yourself, you’ve got great chops still :) any opinion of Creamback H vs M for Marshall Combo? I have a V30 currently but its striking me as ‘fizzy’ lately.
Hi Warren. Thanks for watching :) I don't have a T-75 here at the moment but i will be picking up a new batch of speakers in about two weeks. I will grab one when i am there. Sorry i can't be more helpful today :)
Hello Paul, I want to mix 2 new speakers in my 4*12 cabinet's V30. I've heard that the G12M-65 is better to mix with V30 than the G12H-75. What is the best speaker for you with V30?
+loicmaiden I use the Creamback M with the Vintage 30 in my EVH 2x12. The Creamback M is darker sounding so it tames the V-30's high mid spike. The Creamback H would be a good replacement for the V-30 but putting them together would not male a very noticeable change in tone
So very cool, man. I've been at a challenge to determine which is better suited for my need, I have an amp that tends to sound dark and rounder in the highs and wanted the one that will help give that extra bite or presence in the highs. So far, as far as I can tell from other demos, the 65 seems to have the clearer bite and slight "fizz" to it (with a little more scooped mid and more presence in the bass), which is what I want. But from your demo, it seems to support other reviewers, that the 75 has more highs and clarity... ?? hmmmm....so Paul, what's your input on that? does the 75 really have more upper highs that the 65?
Hi Heu T. You are absolutely right. I found the H magnet to be much brighter than the M magnet. I preferred the M magnet (65) because of its warmth. I found the H magnet (75) to sound great but a bit too bright for my playing I think its more suited to clean tones than crunch.
Paul Bateman Wow. Ok. So have you compared the 75 side by side with a V30? I heard in other demos between the two and it sounds like the 75 is brighter w/ more "presence" than the V30s. My last two cabs and my current cab have V30s so I'm quite aware of their slight "trebly" character in nature... And from the sound of listening to all these demos, it appears that the 75 is slightly less "trebly" sounding but has an edge of brightness/fizzness/gritiness over the V30. Can you confirm this (if you have made those comparison, of course). Thanks.
Yes the 75H is brighter than the V30. The V30 is closer to the 65m than the 75h. The 75 won't do high gain as well as the V30 but would do a very good classic rock (zz top style) crunch
hello, I have a laney 12 cub and his speaker is a laney hh. you think changing the speaker for a v30 will improve the sound of my amp? I hope you understand me because I am using a translator because I do not speak English. hug !
+Qais You'll be happy with either. The H will be a bit louder with the same power, but not much to notice. The H can handle more power, and that's why I've put it into my MAK amplifier, which will do 90W at full drive.
Thanks for a very useful demo. I'm struggling to figure out which one to go for in a Laboga The Beast + combo. The stock speaker is a hideous sounding 70/80, everything sounds overly bright, shrill, with no guts or drive to it. In fact it sounds like a poor SS amp! I've gone for the H-75 but am thinking now I should quickly change it to the M!! The Laboga is a fairly standard 2 x 12AX7 / 4 x EL84 design from what I can tell....
+Steve R Sounds like a M magnet would be a good choice. I used to have a similar problem with laneys sounding shrill with the 70/80 speakers and the HH speakers. They always responded well to the greenback M's so i should assume the Creamback M would just as good if not better as a solution.
+Paul Bateman Paul, I just decided on the M for my combo, but a message from Nigel at Lean, could you get in touch as he has some neos in stock and the world is waiting for you to demo them on RU-vid!
It is not accurate at all as the H75 creamback is extremely open sounding with a very sweet high end response and generally covers the whole spectrum of frequencies. The V30 is very much pronounced in the mid-range with very strong mid-mids and the high end response is almost non-existent. The creamback 65 also doesn't sound like the greenbags for similar reasons...Both of the creamback speakers are more open sounding and due to the higher watts have also got a better and tighter low-end response than the greenbags do.
jaychen yes I got the creamback 75 watt heavy, I watched a lot of demos to try and make a decision but it also depends on what kind of amp your putting it in, I like fenders which are very bright right out of the box so I wanted a speaker that was more subtle hence it seemed the creamback was the choice for my situation. I'm very happy with it and find celestion makes the best speakers, they do have to break in though, hope this helps jaychen and good luck!
@@ericcross7863 I got the 6505mh with Dimarzio D Activator. It has the 2nd most treble besides their x2n but the tone is a tad bassy with these 4 eminence Diezel customs
+TJ Nugent Yes. The Creamback M is like a smoother Greenback and the Creamback H is like a smoother V-30. I find the Creambacks really easy to record lead tones :)
+Paul Bateman excuse me,I'm italian,can you explain me what does it mean smoother for the M65 compared to a standard greenback,please? at the moment I have v30's with my jcm800 and really hate them,they are too harsh and trebley.
By smoother i mean less brittle. Single notes are warmer and sound thicker for solos. Rhythm tones and more balanced...as in, when strumming chords on the neck pickup, all the notes of the chord sound strong rather than bass heavy and for distorted metal riffs, the m65 sounds much more tidy and balanced from its extra warmth
Lol....you set the bar low by claiming “generic “ riffs,this way we are not expecting anything great, wich made your performance all the better....bravo! I need to do that in my life.
