Celestion Vintage 30 Vs M creamback shootout 

This is fantastic. A lot of times in speaker shootout videos like this, I can hear a difference but I'm not always sure exactly what it is - the inclusion of the EQ image is very helpful.

Thank you for this video! SUPER HELPFULL! I am trying to decide on what to replace the stock speaker in my DSL40, was going to go with the creamback, but the V30 sounds even better to my ears. Thank you!

I can hear a certain harmony when mixed together and I liked it :) Thanks for making these videos!

This illustrates prefectly that mixing speakers is always better. I've got the creamback in an amp and in isolation I find it can be quite a dark speaker but I use it alongside an amp with an Alnico Blue and both amps together sound awesome.

Hey thanks for all the hard work! I’ve been watching your shootouts for days even though I already ordered a pair of M creambacks. Just for fun I guess, great job.

Really good video as always. I actually have a closed back 2x12 with the Creambacks and it might seem like they don't have enough presence but with a bright amp like a JCM 800 style circuit the balance is perfect. Articulation but without icepicking into your ear.

On its own, I strongly prefer the creamback, can't stand the V30's upper mid peak unless it's almost clean. But mixed together, they sound fantastic, the V30 seems to enhance the overall clarity and ability to cut through the mix, without being unpleasant.

Incredible tone when combined together🤘

That's pretty cool. For me personally I didn't hear a huge difference until gain was added. V30 sounded brighter than the creamback. Been using the GGD Zilla cabs and have been mixing the V30's and creambacks together. Good stuff.

Wow, can really hear that top-end peak ("fizz") you see at the right-hand side of the graph for the V30. Thus, for me, it works better for clean sounds. Thanks for posting.

Just put a creamback m65 in my DSL 40cr and it sounds perfect for that amp . Just amazing really . I really liked the stock v type but I wanted something softer and warmer to push the amp more toward the vintage end and the creamback did the trick. Its almost as if the creamback m was meant for the dsl . Prior to the speaker swap I did not care for the red channel with the v type so I always used the red channel with extension cabinets which always sounded better to me but now with the creamback m the red channel sounds amazing without using a cab .The red channel is 75 percent less fizzy and sounds much more woody and open and no longer mushy but yet still somehow softer . The top end is smoother and low mids are nice and woody . Its hard to explain but its softer sounding but less mushy I was considering letting go of the amp for awhile but now with the creamback it's going nowhere. The biggest issue I had before was the classic gain channel even with the crunch button engaged would not quite saturate to the level I liked but the green overdrive channel was too bright fizzy and had almost too much drive now I love every channel. The classic gain channel now sounds more like a proper clean channel and the green overdrive is perfect for overdriven tones and the red channel is far more useable then before but the best part of it is when I combine the combo with my orange 1 by 12 with a v30 . The vintage 30 and creamback 65 has always been my favorite combo but now I love it even more . Lots of low mid grunt . Low Mids are my favorite frequency and the v30 creamback 65 combo have loads of low mid grunt growl and roar and the upper mids of the v30 keep it clear and mud free . I know the v30 did not exist in the 70s but when I use my dsl40 with creamback 65 and v30 orange cab it's a dead on early 70s live rock tone . It's quite similar to jimmy page's tone in March of 1970 on the vancouver soundboard tape called the mudslide bootleg or pure blues bootleg. That combo also does the zeppelin custard pie tone quite well . These are the tones that have been in my head forever and its amazing to finally be getting them or at least close enough to keep me happy and playing.

Hey thanks for making this video! I've seen a lot of V30/H75 combinations, but not V30/M65. They sound great mixed! I noticed this is the combo that Bogner uses for their Helios 2x12. Do you notice much of a volume difference using the two? The M65 has a slightly lower input sensitivity (97db), but reading up online it looks like most people don't notice much of a difference.

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Have a ppc212 with two v30s and it sounds great but just a bit much top end sizzle so I think adding a cream back will make the difference because I love the sound of them together. And hell, if I want another cream back I’m halfway there

Together the Creamback fills in all the mids scooped out of the V30. Masks that annoying honk. Great frequency balance, especially when you can dial each speaker separately. My little scheme is to get the $500 dollar HB G212plus Creamback loaded cab first.(got that). Then get the bare bones China one with the V30's for $385. That puts the total for both 212's at$885.(the cost of a single unit from say, Sweetwater). If you bought 2 of the premium cab units from Thomann, with mix and match speakers. It'd be just over a $stack$. So by doing it this way, I get the same 4 speaker cones(2×creambacks, 2×V30's) for $117 savings. I'll just have 1 Indonesian cab, and 1 Chinese unit. Gonna switch 2 of the speakers around, to create my own pair of Creamback/V30 loaded 212's.

Thanks for the vid, really helped speaker choice.

Both together is awesome. Get the mid range from the V30’s and the smooth sound of the Creambacks

thank you very much for this video!

Both are magical

Interesting to me that some are saying the top end fizz of the V30 makes it more suitable for clean sounds. Nah. Not true. TBH, I never could abide the clean sounds of my 1987 2554 Silver Jubilee with the Marshall branded V30 in it. Combined with the smaller cab, that speaker made the amp sound boxy, mid forward and a bit boring on clean settings. I installed a Creamback M65 in that amp and it finally game some dimension and bloom to the clean sound. It also made the dirty sounds bigger with just the right amount of bite. All you have to do is EQ the amp accordingly, particularly with the presence control, and the Creamback delivers over the stock V30. Crazy thing to say about a vintage Jube, but I recommend trying it yourself. Just keep the Marshall branded V30 stocker for the purists, should you ever need to sell the amp. : )

Just douched out a pair of V30s for a set of 4 ohm Weber Thames in my 1981 marshall head. Total transformation! Those V30s may have a purpose somewhere,but not in my rig!

Thank you! This is tremendously helpful!

The marhsall origin 50 sounds fantastic with the creamback 65. I seen a video doing a comparison between the stock origin and the creamback modded origin and the creamback version was so much nicer and more vintage correct sounding. With the stock midnight 60 or whatever its called it sounded more modern and almost had a DSL like quality to the tone which is not at all a bad thing and the stock amp does sound great but from a pure vintage standpoint the creamanclk was the better representation of a 60s/70s Marshall sound .

First comment... I have the same combination in a 1936 hand made cabinet and it seems excellent!

Great video. Helps a lot, thxs!!

V30s are great mixed with speakers like the Redback and Creamback. Redbacks also are great on their own with Creambacks as well.

This is exactly the setup I last used in the studio. What made it sound even better was making the cab open back. The sound engineer was already amazed at the tone and when we went "let's give it a go, may as well while we are here" the look on his face was pure amazement.

I'm always hearing so much about how good the vintage 30s are but to my ear the creambacks sound so much nicer. They're not bad as a combo but i don't think I'd buy a cab with only vintage 30s

when you add gain you can really start to hear the difference... more sizzle with the V30 for sure. I am a huge cream back fan for that smooth top end.

Mixed they sound fantastic! One their own, to me at least, the V30 has too much presence, while the M65 is lacking it.

Just picked up an old Fender Supersonic 60 with the stock V30... Sounds decent but I can't wait to rip it out for a Creamback. This demonstration sealed the deal for me .. The V30 has this weird upper mid frequency noise thing going out that's just awful imo.

For me the V30 takes it because I like the bright side of it but paired with the Creamback it's a win win situation. I thought my V30 & G12T-75 4x12 sounded good together bjt after hearing this I wouldn't mind putting some Creambacks in there 👍

Hi Zilla cab, I would like you to review celestion vintage 30 vs neo creamback next time. XD

Wtf? I really enjoy your videos.

Is there a big difference between the m65 and h75 mixed with the vintage 30. I can’t tell which one I like better, m65 might be a little crunchier with OD to my ears. Love them mixed! I bought a m65 to mix with an English v30 but am second guessing that the h75 might be better cause it’s rounder and not as crunchy as the m65, little more bottom end on the h75.

Do you think they would mix up well in a 4x12?

are these V30s the ones made in CHina or UK? I know that Mesa uses different V30s, made in the UK and sound different and fatter

The Vintage 30’s sounded thin, horrible and buzzy when pushed. Creambacks all the way

In Person creamback always sounds dull to me

creamback the sound of the speaker is like in a cardboard box covered with a blanket.

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cream 😐

Oh my DAYS I have an orange cab with a v30 running a Bogner Ecstasy into it. TOTALLY swapping it for a cream back. This is night and day! That fizz with a single v30 makes your sound go nowhere in a mix/band setting.

Seems really silly to be randomly riffing/chording different parts on two different speakers. Play the same part on both. It's a no brainer.