Daybell Trial Day 18: One of Their Inner Circle Friends Get IMMUNITY to Testify Against Daybell 

Immunity makes her MORE credible, because she can't get in trouble - so she may as well tell the truth...the whole TRUTH.

Why lie, she already has amunity. Found her very creditable.

As a juror, i would put more weight to believe a witness with immunity. Especially in a case like this.

Let the jury vote if Chad has gone dark and his body will no longer be alive

What's interesting is that Zulema seemed to be the only one in that group that held a job.

If I was a juror and I heard someone was given immunity I would think they are more credible. They have to tell the truth or that immunity is gone.

Her testimony is still a BIG problem for Chad.

Lets be honest. All these people knew what was going on, and no one called the police at any time. They even lied to the police at first.

What a sight to behold; adults who are about the business of spiritual larping, casting spells like they're on recess, to a tragic and deadly end. I bet Chad's mom is really proud. My heart goes out to the victims who lost their lives at the hands of these clowns who lost their minds.

Even if Zulema was involved, that doesnt make Chad any less guilty. What a waste of everyone's time.

Zulema’s response to the attempted impeachment by Prior seemed reasonable and almost made her more credible, to me. She agreed with something that made her look bad.

With immunity, I feel Zulema is more credible.

I find her totally credible. She said when Alex was in the hospital she was very upset and couldn’t remember specifics but later she could. I find that completely understandable.

The state didn’t ask Zulema who told her and Alex to get married…It was Chad.

I watched Nate Eatons report and he said when Pryor goes after Zulema, they were over it. They were tired of his badgering.

Zulema presents as a simple person who was a victim of circumstances. Personally, the fact that she has immunity tells me that she has a wealth of important and damning information, which in my mind makes her more credible. She didnt shy away from any of her own missteps in questioning, which bulsters that belief for me. As for Prior's questioning of her preparation, it felt like he was bullying a victim here and, to me, it made it appear that he was scared of her.

Lori saying to the person on the phone that he cannot do anything on his own says a lot about how involved she was with the deaths. I don’t think she would talk like that to Chad.

My one overwhelming take away from this case is that if I'm ever charged with a traffic misdemeanor or a dog tag violation, I would pray devotedly that the female prosecutor (Lindsey?) would not be my prosecutor, or I'd be likely to get a life sentence, if not the death penalty! She is SO prepared, so able, and unrelenting! Amazing!!!

Zulema told way more truth then either of the Melanie’s

Prior is gonna have to deal with some inconsistencies of his own if Chad's kids testify...

Most of us who have followed this case from the beginning, all said both Melanie’s and Zulema knew more and were involved. To finally learn as a fact Zulema received immunity was golden.

I was a juror on a different case in this courthouse a couple of weeks ago. Our instructions from the judge said we could believe some or all of a witness’s testimony. Since she was in the room for a lot of what happened, I would have to say, she probably knows the truth. And yes, there was some self preservation in her motives but I would tend to my believe “most” of what she said.

Peter left out the best part at the end where the Prosecutor asked her about an interview at the hospital when doctors were working on her husband who had stopped breathing. No wonder she couldn’t remember the interview & State ended it in that note that he died.

Immunity does not give her less credibility. She has nothing to lose by telling the truth.

I think that Zulema and Gibb were both naive and vulnerable. They both did stuff that was legally questionable but didn’t understand that it was actually harmful. They each had a sudden realization, ‘OMG, people are dying’ and decided, ‘I am OUT’

All Prior did was prove to me Zulema was embarrassed to tell the cops she believed all of this. Same with Gibb. She drips in not taking accountability for what she believed. You can feel the second hand embarrassment.

ZULEMA SAVED HER OWN A$$ on that stand today!!!! She knew that Alex & his children were going to die. She knew Tammy was going to die. She knew Alex was going to kill himself. She could have saved many lives!!! Everybody is singing her praises and all I have for her is Rage.

I can't help but think Chad and Lori convinced Alex to OD. Lori said in her sentencing "suicides happen", that was outside of the narrative. Just always stood out to me. Natural causes seems way too easy based on the timing.

Honestly as a juror it has to do with how I feel about the defense, prosecution, and defendant. So after 18 days I would believe her

Immunity deals usually require you to tell the whole truth or the deal is off the table. She wouldn’t want to risk that.

This was one of the most painful cross-examinations yet. Prior is exhausting! It makes me wonder if he is playing dumb or actually this bad at his job? Also, what is with the prosecution objecting to Prior's question, the court sustaining it, then Prior asking the exact same question again, and when the prosecutor objects again, it's overruled?? This happens over and over. Make it make sense.

She’s got immunity because she’s in danger of prosecution, increases her credibility

I find Zulema very credible. I also see a big difference in her from a year ago when she testified at Lori's trial. She was very frightened, time away from all this madness she has been de-programmed.

I feel like Chad knew all along it was all a lie. But he had his own real life dungeons and dragons game going and was getting off on seeing these people do what he told them to do. I think he got a sick thrill off the murders.

Zulema is doing her best to tell the truth. Remember it’s been years. She’s clearly a vulnerable individual.

My first feeling is she would be prosecuted for her involvement if she hadn’t cooperated, so her immunity means she very likely knows vital information.

Body’s found on Chad’s property, not hers. Chad’s the obvious ringleader, she’s a mixed up deceived follower. I believe she told the truth about Chad, however, likely knows more than she’s bringing up to protect herself. The purpose of immunity is to catch the worst of the bunch, right? That’s Chad, not her. Of course she’s not an angel &/or completely innocent or she wouldn’t require immunity. Doesn’t make Chad any less guilty. I think the jury’s smart enough to know the difference. Discredit her all you want, this was a bad day in court for Chad!

I still find her testimony pretty credible bc it’s in line with other testimony we have heard. Also, fundamental religious beliefs are often based on a persons interpretation. I grew up LDS and I’ve been confused by most of Priors religious questions.

Well that was a Freudian slip from Prior. We all know he’s attacking and now he has announced it out loud. Sigh.

As a juror I would think she is more credible because she can tell the truth without fear of being in trouble, if a person has immunity that means they have no reason to lie on the stand, yeah she doesn’t look like a smart, loyal person who you should trust with your deepest secrets but unfortunately they allowed her in to their small circle and now she is spilling all the tea!

I don’t think anyone in Chad’s inner circle had jobs

I think prior hurt his own credibility with the stairs in the home thing. He’s shown he will misconstrue the truth to invalidate a witness and as a juror, I would think he’s just doing the same thing with Zulema

What does immunity makee think? Finally! Someone who isn't covering their own butt and telling the truth. Good for her.

She did not flinch. I believe her because I think there is a lot more pressure when you are sitting in the courtroom then in an interrogation room. Not saying you should lie. She was calm cool and collected .

When Melanie P was being questioned yesterday, the subject of Brandon being shot at never came up. Was that topic prohibited for some reason?

I think she came across very convincingly and if I were a juror, I would believe her. Her testimony was extremely useful and necessary in order to convict Chad.

It's a traumatic & terrifying experience to testify against a person so dangerous. She is a brave lady.

If I was on the jury I would think the police were telling Zulema that she needed to review her testimony and determine what the truth was. They weren't telling her to lie but simply make sure everything lined up and accurate. The police would have told he what to say if they were coaching her

Credibility of someone clearly involved in this whole sad affair would obviously be a concern. And immunity for such a person brings a perceived impression to court. Getting the stories “straight” to me means that having been offered immunity she can then be more truthful than before that was offered. Human nature is to protect oneself and with that need to be self protective alleviated, much more information can be elicited that is truthful.

Totally credible, especially when the prosecution clarified that the inconsistencies came on the day her husband died

listening to trials helps you understand how easy we as humans are to manipulate. under the right circumstances, any of us could be a victim of someone who misuses their authority.

We don't know, and I don't believe it was brought out, WHEN she was offered immunity...... if it was BEFORE this recorded interview, then they were just trying to clarify the potential cross examination she would be subjected to. In any event, Tammy, JJ, and Tylee were NOT obstacles in her life.... only in Chad and Lori's. So I think she is credible, and it also wasn't clear what type of immunity she was offered...like was it he same as wendi adelson ? (who could not be charged on the basis of her testimony at trial) but could subsequently be charged on other evidence if produced.

Blake clarified what statements were inconsistent and it was only abt and around Alex death and Tammy body being exhumed. So it turned out to be a nothing burger

I agree that immunity is allowing her to be free to talk about all this truthfully. I look at her inconsistency as trying to protect herself, minimize all she knew.

The defense attorney has a very creepy voice, in a dark way. I can imagine hearing his voice in a horror movie, terrorizing somebody in a psychopathic way.

Wait. Does anyone else think that they had Zulema marry Alex so she couldn’t testify against him if they successfully made him the fall guy? I think that was their plan. Hmmmmm

All attorneys walk the person through the best way to say something.

I feel she would be more truthful because she did get immunity.

Nate Eaton said the majority of jurors were disengaged and not taking notes during Prior’s cross. One had eyes closed, 2-3 looked visibly bored.

Lindsay Blake was on fire 🔥

Zulema on fast forward felt more normal, a much more palatable pace for me. Lol Thanks LYK. I think she's one of the most impactful witnesses in trying Chad as the ringleader of these Dark 6: 30 celestial circle jerks.

Prior's tractic backfired to me once the "creditable issue" was disclosed around emergency room. It also give me a lot of info about Zulema character and maybe her and Alex really loved each other.

When you hear the redirect, prosecution draws out that the "inconsistent statment" related to something she said in the hospital as they worked on Alex and her response is that she doesn't remember that period of time (which makes sense because it was traumatic). I also think the response "against what your doing right now" highlighted prioress shitty behaviour towards witnesses again. He 100% badgered her after having numerous objections sustained against him, which would not make him look any better than he has managed up to now. Actually, this was another day where Judge Boyds frustration with his lack of professionalism showed.

I am amazed how Lori's kids were dark but Chad's were light.

She didn’t have immunity at that point so she was a lot less willing to elaborate or even say until she knew she wouldn’t be arrested.

IMO, Prior has lost ALL credibility with the paintball recording and the stairs debacle on a property he owns. So, the fact he keeps badgering people about lying is duplicitous and disgusting.

Choice of vocabulary could affect the perception of the Zulema/LE interview. “Reconcile” hits differently than all the other terminology…nowhere near as nefarious as “get your story straight”, etc. If there were inconsistencies in her various statements and she was due to testify, it makes sense to me that LE would want to clarify any vagueness or misunderstanding, to eliminate defence attack points. It does not mean, to me anyway, that she was coached. If detectives were concerned about getting her ready to testify without impeachment, I can’t imagine they would make the mistake of actually coaching her on video, knowing that would be exposed at trial.

Peter, you are total rockstar covering this trial, the Karen Read trial, as well as updates to other cases that we are following. Are you going to discuss the Richard Allen Delphi murders trial when it begins on May 13th (at least key portions as I know that you are super busy)?

Alex obviously knew his sister's pattern with men. She had been married several times before she met Chad. All of those relationships ended in messy ways which enriched Lori. Did Lori ever have a real job or any sort of career? She seems to be the kind of woman who preys on men and makes them support her, financially. Serially. Alex would know that and so would his wife, presumably. Murder for money is nothing new. While I have serious doubts that Zulema is telling the whole story, for her own selfish reasons, she has filled in a few blanks in this case. Too few. Better than none.

My question is "Why would she need immunity if she did not do anything wrong?"

Thanks for covering this tonight, Peter!

Thanks for explaining the court situations.

Yay! I finally made a live. Been part of the replay crew since Depp v Heard.

Super important testimony!!!!

On the replay. Such important information. Thanks 👍🏽

In spite of what was said with the defense Zulema was very credible I think she spoke the truth of what she remembers of what went on during that time and I don't think she was aware that these people were being murdered

First time catching a LYK live in so long so excited to be here today ! Thank you for all you do ‼️

I would believe her more since she got immunity

Just glad I finally caught a live again 😅

It seems to me that the police officers were trying to prepare her for the stand, to make sure that she had her story straight. I'm wondering if they were concerned, because it's obvious that her first language isn't English. That might make it easier for a weasel like Prior, who is obviously talking very quickly in an effort to confuse her, to get her to agree to something she doesn't actually agree with. They didn't tell her what to say, so even if I'd seen this as a member of the jury, I'd consider it a nothing burger. And I'd be really annoyed by Prior, tbh. I know it's an attorney's job to defend his client, guilty or innocent, but Prior came off like he was purposely trying to confuse Pastenes. Not a good look for him.

Thank you for all that you do here, Peter. I appreciate your analysis of word choice and the psychological battles that happen in these arguments. It helps make me a more effective communicator. Thank you! Great work.

She may have been granted immunity, but I do not think she killed the kids or tammy

Peter! You nailed it !

I love that you speed up the court proceedings. I always do also. I thought it was just a New York thing. I have to speed up most things on RU-vid but particularly the court things where they talk slow on purpose for the court recorder.

I was thinking the nail was in the coffin with her testimony

Casting to kill people sounds like the Dark Arts

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how "OUTSIDE THE BOX" BOTH!! attorneys had to think on this case?!😂😮

Thank you Peter.

If I was a juror on *any* case, my spidey-sense would be ramped up whenever a witness who had immunity took the stand. During direct/cross examinations hopefully their backstory & intentions would be challenged. From there, I’d trust my instinct. The ‘crazy train’ witnesses who testified in Lori’s trial & now Chad’s were cowards IMO, who hid/hide behind ‘religion’ both before the murders & owning up when it mattered most. At best they got a dark sloppy D-. Zulema on the other hand connected major dots & quite possibly cleared a murky path to Justice. With extra credit for her Prior smack-downs…A- 👏

Personally, I dont think Prior, or the immunity deal, harmed her credibility. I hate immunity deals, but im realistic enough to understand why theyre needed sometimes. When they do happen, i believe the testimony, most of the time, because fear of prosecution is removed.

Thank you for providing short but informative videos

You talks here on RU-vid as you publicly work through your issues is very helpful to others including myself. You have great insight into yourself and you actions and this helps others to start looking at themselves and their motivations and actions. More power to you to you!!

I didn’t find her statements were any different. Both times she said if the demon is expelled the body will die. They seemed to be taught that once a person’s soul had passed away a demon could quickly enter the physical host. This is why they were using the term zombie as at that point they would become the walking dead. The body physically alive but with no soul only a dark spirit. When they cast the spirit out and Chad prevented anymore spirits entering the body the body would (naturally) die having no soul or spirit making the heart beat etc. Therefore these women did not think anyone was doing anything harmful to a person. No one was physically hurting anyone. Only Lori, Chad and Alex seemed to know killing was happening. And Alex believed he was on a divine mission from god. It’s very sad. But unless they knew that the others were physically harming people or were covering up for them I don’t see how they could face any charges. Being gullible doesn’t make you culpable. And the US has many religious people who have weird ‘magic’ beliefs.

I believe her more because she had immunity personally

Thank you for the captions

Thank you! Justice for the victims and their family members! ⚖️⚖️⚖️👌

I felt the state cleaned up Priors mess well in the few minutes after you ended your video.

Watching the trial live, even seeing the police interview footage, I did not think prior came off as particularly effective in this exchange. I thought Zulma came off pretty well. I really thought she was going to be a disaster, but she wasn’t.

Your Daybell Trial insights are 🔥

Didn’t expect another one today! Yay