I wouldn't go that far, but I certainly agree that was one of the great things about the Davison/JNT era where they would make a lot more callbacks to the continuity of the show, yet it would still feel accurate to the show's roots and original theme without feeling like pointless references to cover up a lack in quality, which shows can sometimes do.
@@UnchainedEruptionyou had a point up to the end…it was a point being made about the man being instrumental in the series despite not being the focus like the ladies, Harry, or the Doctor himself.
I was a huge fan of the Brigadier. His arguments with Pertwee's Doctor were always a riot. Nicholas Courtney seems to have had a wonderful time playing this character.
most average people with just their mobiles can accomplish better FX but yes this was an improvement I'd almost forgotten this perhaps it was also a YETI that walked cross my path!! ENJOY!
As an American fan of the show in the 80s, I had only seen Tom Baker's and a few of Davison's episodes at this point. So when JNT would add little flashbacks to older episodes that, at that point, I'd only maybe read about via a Target novel or seen a picture of in DWM, it was a real treat.
I still wonder what this episode would have been like had they gotten William Russell and this had been Ian Chesterton recounting his experiences with the first Doctor.
Doctor Who Production Office, 1983 JNT: Quick! Quick! Raid the archives for what footage we didn’t destroy! We need 1960s and 1970s Dr. Who clips! BBC Archives: Well... JNT: What do you mean, we destroyed them all?!?
"[Harry Sullivan] last heard of doing something very hush hush and important." Would that be the anti-Zygon death gas, Z-67? Very obscure callback to this scene if intended.
NGL, I actually kind of prefer the original flashback sequence. I mean, the fade effects here are a definite improvement, but I feel like there was a lot more care in choosing which clips to use for the sequence to give it a more "celebratory" feel. IDK, the original just feels more cinematic in that regard I guess.
1:04 The Web of Fear 1:07 The Invasion 1:10 Spearhead from Space 1:13 Doctor Who and The Silurians 1:15 Terror of The Autons 1:20 Claws of The Axos 1:21 The Daemons 1:02, 1:24, 1:27, 1:29, The Three Doctors 1:32, 1:35, 1:38 Planet of The Spiders and Robot 1:41, 1:43, 1:46 Terror of The Zygons
The best sequence in the entire 1983 season. I love the transition between new and old - they matched the shots perfectly. This was when Doctor Who was still DOCTOR WHO!
I find it interesting that the original idea was for Ian Chesterton to be in the role that the Brigadier filled, and whilst that would have been nice, I feel the Brig was always going to be the more appropriate choice as whilst Ian was an original character, he wasn’t there for a good chunk of the Doctors story, the Brig met every doctor at this point and shared more adventures with more people, so it was a match made in heaven
the flashback sequence is good but imo the original (as this one is only seen when the CGI remake is selected on the DVD) is far better. I've never understood why it was an option to change.
@@diegovargasdiego I’m older now. I have to say that lots of early shows 1963-1969 were really kiddy shows on low budgets in a small studio. They don’t really hold up for me now. But that’s my personal opinion. When I was younger I enjoyed them.
@@dougmaclennan8654well, they were supposed to be that way: originally a kids scifi show that evolved into a family and older crowd show some were good fun, others groaners, but they were trying something new so found their footing eventually
Does anyone remember Danny pink and how the doctor couldn't accept that he was a maths teacher due to his past as a soldier. I take it Gareth Roberts and Moffat never watched this story
I think the Time War was supposed to have changed the Doctor's attitudes. In his speech at the end of The Zygon Inversion it's clear that the Doctor was traumatized by his time as Gallifrey's most famous soldier. He seems to lash out at Danny because of his disgust at his own past and all the death and pain he saw and caused then.
women be slutty, no one can die, everyone lives happily ever after, I am the doctor, that is just the moffat way you know. time war, let's make it so that it was not as horrible as we thought. As I moffat thing it's all just rubbish and my thoughts are superior.
There's an odd sort of memory loss to Lethbridge-Stewart that i hadn't picked up on before - he remembers Harry Sullivan and can tell the Doctor what he's doing now, he also remembers UNIT and Benton clearly, but has no recollection of the Doctor, Jo Grant, Liz Shaw, The Yeti, Cybermen, etc. Very Odd. For Six years he has been at the School and a huge chunk of his past life has been almost erased, how he can know what Harry Sullivan is up to, but has no memory or contact with Jo, Liz, or presumably Sarah, is a little hard to fathom. It's six years of his life spent in almost exclusion...
Benton and Harry worked with him for a lot longer, the companions not so much especially Jo and Sara Jane…whatever wiped his memories did it for the ones closest to the Doctor
Jo and Liz are weird because they worked for the unit.They were his employees Serah, however, doesn't actually work there. She's just friends with the doctor
The only problem I can find with this version is that in the original when the motif from the theme tune came in it showed each Doctor. Here it's out of sync. But other than that, yeah, I pretty much agree.
The original version of this scene is so much better. This version may add more clips, including an admittedly much needed clip of the original Master, but it completely messes up the music cues that played every time an incarnation of the Doctor appeared on screen in the original sequence. In this version, they just come in at random and are much less effective as a result.
Can someone make a difference comparison video of this sequence and the original one, just to see how many clips were used and which ones were used instead.
I think the returning of The Brigadier and the introduction of Turlough are about the only things that keeps this story from being forgettable especially with a villain that has spaghetti noodles for a brain Literally
Though of curse the dating of Benton leaving the army in 1979 kinda conflicts with the implication that the Pertwee era was set in the then near future of the 1980's....
It was always a mess. Sarah Jane said she came from '1980' in 'Pyramids of Mars', and 'Web of Fear' and 'The Invasion' had mentioned 1975 and 1979. It seems ridiculous that the entire Pertwee era was compressed into a short span. The Benton 1979 thing is best ignored. Doctor Who Magazine used to run a 'TARDIS Log' feature, assigning a date for every journey. The UNIT stories were all dated 7 years beyond the year the stories aired, which would make 1968-1975 air dates, or 1975-82 according to the in-story dialogue. Which makes '1977 and 1983' a problem for 'Mawdryn Undead'
@@brianoneill7186 Although Invasion and Web are both clearly set in an earlier time than the Pertwee era, because in Web there is no UNIT and Lethbridge-Stuart is a Colonel in the regular army: by Invasion he is working with UNIT but remains a Colonel. Presumably by the event sin Spearhead, he not only becomes part of UNIT, but in command (at least within the UK bit), and has been promoted to Brigadier
@@richardgregory3684When the Doctor first sees Lethbridge-Stewart in 'Invasion', he naturally calls him 'Colonel', but is immediately corrected; his friend had been promoted, reminding the Doctor that a few years had passed since their first meeting.
Oliver Linklater couldn't agree more, Murray Golds score is very overbearing at times. One thing I'm looking forward to about series 11 is a new composer
You can like something without deluding yourself you know. Obviously its not going to be as good as a modern score with so much more effort and money for talent, and trying to pick winners rather than just enjoying both for the style of show at the time only cheapens them.
1960's- 50's stylized Sci-Fi music with the Radiophonic Workshop's masterpiece of a theme 1970's- Horns and Synths with the same second theme 1980's- New theme and synths, and sometimes synthesized horns, galore 1990's- Orchestra 2005- Occasional atmospheric music 2006 to Present- BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAWN BWAAAAAAAAAAAN etc.
I find it interesting that the original idea was for Ian Chesterton to be in the role that the Brigadier filled, and whilst that would have been nice, I feel the Brig was always going to be the more appropriate choice as whilst Ian was an original character, he wasn’t there for a good chunk of the Doctors story, the Brig met every doctor at this point and shared more adventures with more people, so it was a match made in heaven
