Extreme DE AI vs Barbarian (AI Tournament Semi-Finals) 

If it was in spanish you could go with ArabIA

Or King of ArAIbia.

@@lucasgarcia5427 It works in French, and most other Romance languages too I think. Edit: just French and Spanish

@@robin9740 rly? I think it also works in italian and portuguese

@@lucasgarcia5427 Oh you're totally right! I used Google-translate to verify. Turns out you can't even trust it for single words/abreviations. Also in Romanian, which is also a Romance language

I too am afraid of town centers

Debugging mode not deactivated.

Large number of players could use that method.

@@krishna1.097 ?

@@srbishkrst So basically programmers use a method called "debugging" by which we find errors in code. You just show output every stage which is vulnerable to errors and find where it makes mistakes. You deactivate debugging once it works successfully.

*Hold my electrons

Woaaaaa hey Mike

@@bobeyay Hey, Bobey.

The new AI is already so OP, I think it might happen one day

2034? You're being extremely generous towards humans. I mean there is an AI which can defeat any player in Starcraft already and that isn't that much different than AoE2.

There’s AI’s that can do that already. They just haven’t used them in AoE2. Alphastar mops the floor with pretty much anyone in SC2. I don’t see a reason why it wouldn’t work in AoE2 too. It’s just not as popular. AFAIK they even limit the APM to human levels, otherwise the AI could micro with like 40.000 APM, and good luck beating that lol.

They all do that. That's the debugging chat log. AI scripters often keep it on to be able to see exactly what it's thinking so they can tell exactly what stuff needs fixing.

Scary object!

A fixed version of Barbie was used, Rehoboam's micro quite makes it stronger than Barbarian in a direct match-up though Barbarian is the more well-rounded AI.

@@muetzenchaot Fixed in terms of making it compatible for DE without crashing or bugging, yes. However TheMax still hasn't released the official DE version of Barbarian he's been working on. I'd be very interested the rematch of these 2 AI once that happens

Imagine AI youtubers like that!

@@Muenni tbf there's "RU-vidrs" with a generic formula and simple enough text that an AI could prolly do just as well.

Script of the law here!

@@matt_9112 Have you read texts written by AIs? They're not quite good for the moment XD

@@krankarvolund7771 have you seen videos on "lifehacks" like Wohoo or Troom Troom? Language might be a bit off, but content wise the bots got this XD

Que haces aquí bro? Hahaha juegas AoE?

if warcraft reforged hadnt been such a massive disaster it could have been the rebirth of the warcraft rts franchise.

@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Sorry, I'm not a fan of: 1)Activision 2)discussing alternate realities where nazis won 3)Activision:\

@@TheArklyte Understandable.

Idk Deepmind AI for SC is pretty advanced. Probably more advanced then this.

@@TheArklyte But the original Warcraft games were so great! I played them way back when Blizzard was practically an indie studio, so I guess I still view the franchise through the ross-tinted glasses of my childhood. A shame that the company degenerated so much... :(

If you can't be #1 yourself, make an AI to do it for you XD

Maybe that is reason he is so good, for AI he has to take apart all kind of strategies so he learns some things too probably.

Does not necessarily mean it's not old

I assume he is talking about the original show, but there is the new reboot that has been going for a few years and is structured much better

Well, the devs announced they'll make a "merciless" difficulty post-launch in AoE 4, it will use machine learning to learn from the players, the plan is for it to become unbeatable ^^ Which is not that farfetched, apparently there's already an AI that is unbeatale in SC 2.

Yes you are totally correct, they keep on improving the extreme AI. They improve it almost each patch. TheViper was able to win against 4 extreme AI when DE came out. Now it's "only" 3 (and he did not try for a long time) Also, if you check the description of each new patch, you can see what they improved.

Yeah you're right, training with them also improve my gameplay and elo too. Since now they're punishing my mistakes hard.

I had to downgrade my training AI, somehow "difficult" became serious.

That's just for debugging. Most AI creators have the AI chat to itself while making decisions so they can see when things are triggering at the wrong time or not working as intended.

The SC2 AI had to be limited because it was nothing like these AI's. These AI are basically just elaborate scripts. AlphaStar was a deep learning neural network made by Google for research purposes. It had APM limitations in order to ensure a fair playing field against human opponents, so it couldn't simply out-micro them. It still went on to best the pros in that game. Although AI's like that are very expensive, which is why they're never used for gaming. AI scripts like these are a whole bunch of instructions and conditions, whereas AlphaStar actually learned the game on its own through literally millions of iterations of trial and error.

TheViper just cast the final on his channel yesterday. The rest of the tournament has been cast on the ai scripters channel

This actually also happened to Rogue, a game from 1980. (Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, a modernized version of Rogue, has an AI vs. AI arena.)

User patch features like direct unit control work on DE (it's a big part of why the AI jumped so much between HD and DE). The reason Barbarian, and other AI like Promi, may have seemed harder on Voobly was that it cheated when set to "hardest" difficulty by getting extra resources. In this tournament that obviously isn't allowed, so they may look a little weaker than you remember.

That kind of sucks as it would be nice to have more combat robots to watch ;p There's a lot of little tournaments on youtube

They know the total number of military and civilian units of the enemy but not which units. Apart from this they only know what they scout.

@@thewashh thanks!

@@C00Cker They get to know what a human also can know. That is all. For example a human can always check the game stats. So the AI can too. Cheating is only done by The Conquerers Ai on hardest difficulty I believe. None of the rest cheat, which is amazing.

Pure guessing from someone with zero experience with this field: -The goal is to build the best AI, and building a generally good one seems more effective for that than one only focused on one weird strategy. 'Be the Viper, not the Hoang', or something like that. -Many of the AI blind spots are (probably) blind spots precisely because it's hard to script for those scenario's, so it might be tricky to build one that is effective in them. (And if you do find a script that knows how to handle those fights, others might do the same.

Yes, would be interesting to see their K/D and APM and stuff

That would be nice for the macro part of the game (iddle TC) as well as the k/d

They can already do it on SC II. And the devs announced that they'll release a merciless difficulty which will use machine learning to become unbeatable in the fourth game ^^

@@krankarvolund7771 I wouldn't count on that. Deep learning AI's are very expensive, so Microsoft would only invest into something like that if it served some other purpose as well (which maybe it will idk). AlphaStar was a Google research project, and it's already moved on to working on the protein folding problem in biology now.

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Maybe something less advanced then. They anounced it at least, after release, wait and see ^^

The AI must have advanced to the fifth age 11

They definitely do not see one screen at a time. Like, moving their "camera" if that's what you mean.

@@DM-rc4yu if so, it would not be a fair fight vs human player

What's stopping you from picking it up now?

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Grad school :p and after graduation, work

Most of them including these two does :)

I don't think Barbarian works with the new civs but with the older ones it works fine

They're after the ultimate farming meta.

For real?

What is your source? I didn't fin anything about that ^^' But if they are, it's not for the AI, they've also created an esports team, it's just propaganda to enlist more youngs in the army ;)

@@GigaBoost No lol. The US military is interested in AI, but not these kinds of AI. These AI are basically just elaborate scripts. The AI they're interested in are deep learning neural network AI's (which incidentally there is one of in gaming - AlphaStar for Starcraft 2, which was made by Google as part of a research project, which already beat the pros there).

Barbarian ai doesn't support DE so it cannot use extreme difficulty. try hardest

@@Tempires Nevertheless, in this video we see the barbarian ai playing on extreme.

@@jomnix Tournament has made some changes to ai., this may include support of extreme ai so DE ai can use it. There is no official version of barbarian ai for DE as themax hasn't released it. You can download ais used in this tournament from aiscripters' thread for tournament (only for registered users) . my previous comment got deleted so i won't link to it

Did you use DE civs? this will cause barbarian and many older ai's to bug out.

@@thewashh Of course I was using old civs.

Themax hasn't give any update since 2019. DE isn't technically supported

There's cheating AIs like "Beginner" that can be almost impossible to beat, even with 7 humans vs 1 AI. In terms of non-cheating ones, I haven't played against Rehoboam, but it looks pretty scary to micro against. With a bit more development, I think it could get to a point it's unbeatable, at least for me.

@@SpiritOfTheLaw How does the 'cheating' AI work? Does it get extra resources etc, or does it 'cheat' by using superhuman multitasking etc?

Yeah, by "cheating" I mean extra resources. Theoretically AI can cheat with their micro in small ways too, like detecting when you target a specific unit in a group and have just that one unit start moving away even before you fire at it. That's more debatable as "cheating", but is certainly using information that wouldn't be available to a human player.

Robot Wars and Battlebots are different shows.

@@FelipeGabe naah I don't believe you 😎

Apparently, it's not even updated for DE, that terryfing AI is two years outdated and have problems XD

@@krankarvolund7771 _Boy, when that shit gets updated,_ *we're gonna have to get this AI into the Round Table of Black Air Force Activity, **_cause that shit is just built different._*

Agreed. The ability to pick civs in the tournament were chosen to allow more ai's to particapate as only a few ai's play all civs. Even barbie does not play all civs as it cannot play with or against the 6 DE civs. Ideally you would have the scripters do a draft or let both scripters chose civs when one of the ai's cannot go random which is also on the cards for the next tournaments :)

AlphaStar in Starcraft can handle rushes.

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Someone should teach it to play AoE2 then

@@DCdabest AlphaStar was a Google Deepmind project. It's not like any of the AoE AI's, or indeed like any AI that're typically used in gaming (even in other genres). Rather than being pre-scripted, it's a deep learning neural network that LEARNED the game from literally millions of rounds. AI's like this aren't used in gaming because they're VERY expensive. Google themselves only made it play Starcraft as a research project, and it has since gone on to make some notable headway in solving the protein folding problem in biology. No one is gonna make an AI like this just for a game, they'll only do so if it serves some other purpose. Microsoft has suggested they might try implementing such an AI in AoE 4 at some point, likely only because Microsoft also has its own AI research projects.

get it from mods. however DE isn't supported yet so it doesn't play new civs or extreme difficulty. This tournament has made some unofficial edits to ai