How Sith Ideology CORRUPTED Every Level of the Imperial Military 

Boo 😔

I just love the new intro speeches. Love the audio quality

If you were able to make your own sith faction how would you do it? What would you take and discard etc?

I love how nobody is talking about the random cat noise right near the start lmaoaa

What about the ones born and raised in Sith controlled systems like Exegol or Moraband? Pretty sure those raised into that culture will most likely follow the ways of the Sith, even if they are not Force users.

Pretty sure that's business culture in general - just amped up when your life is on the line...

@Rebel Propaganda thank you rebel propaganda, very cool!

@Rebel Propaganda the anarchist government of the rebellion is even worse. Can't even handle the basic needs of it's citizens. Hope doesn't bring bread to the table. Tell that to your pampered princess.

It's why I appreciate characters like thrawn that dont follow that part of imperial doctrine. Thrawn would try to help whatever forces he was attached to be more efficient and effective as a unit.

I think it is more the sith made enemies where there were none

and yoda had ONE job.

​@@AT-AT-AT-AThe kept the same job for more than 800 years. At some point he got lost with all those responsibilities and ruling for more than 20 generations that his skills and senses, were weakened.

I would have thought Disney

Ah, that old nugget. Corporations these days really need to slow their roll methinks.

@@eren34558 Disney is the opposite mate then a shark tank, good try though! The sharks are circling outside and want to become president.

That's some toxic work culture. Sounds more like the Hunger Games than an actual workplace. I would have sued them for their horrid and hostile work environment.

Was this back during the days of Vista?

The stated reason was he was a "deserter" and I forget the name of the guy but he was wearing a officer's armor in a active warzone so they wouldn't realistically have time to show credentials to anyone, solo was also there because he struck his commanding officer in flight academy So his army commander's probably already had him on a shit list, as for his fellow regular soldiers they all knew he wasn't there by choice so he was probably already ostracized from everybody from the beginning at least in my opinion 🤷🏿‍♂️

@@damarglover6363 probably struck his superior for ordering a suicidal dipshit move

@@damarglover6363 I just saw this movie with a friend (who was also watching it for the first time) yesterday and I was thinking about this too

​@@damarglover6363 It was if I remember right, he was trialed for saving an ally pilot. Which you are not supposed to do as an imperial pilot. You aren't supposed to care about comrades and only if the job get's done. Which is an utterly stupid way to have pilots function, even if they have numbers to spare, they should never be cheap expendables.

@@shcdemolisher, yeah, I think of scenarios like that and many others we see in the Imperial military, and I think, "The clones would be absolutely disgusted by this." Because the GAR military culture kinda went against everything the Sith and the Empire believed in. The clones, while being incredibly individualistic, valued loyalty more than almost anything else in their lives, whether it was loyalty to the Republic they served, loyalty to their commanders, or loyalty to their vod'e ("brothers" in Mando'a). That's why right before the Siege of Mandalore, all of Torrent Company painted their helmets to resemble Ahsoka's face and continued to call her "Commander Tano" even though she was just a civilian at that point. Not because they feared her or anything like that, but because they had and incredible amount of respect for her, how talented she was as both a tactician and warrior, and how she stuck her neck out for them on multiple occasions not matter what the circumstances were. She was loyal to them to a fault, and so they were loyal to her to a fault. Those helmet designs were the clones basically saying that they were willing to die for Ahsoka - even though she wasn't technically their commander anymore - because she was willing to die for them. And that is certainly something that you would not see in the Empire.

Is there a video for this theory? I would much like to hear more about it.

@@unanumi I think it got deleted a couple years ago and can't remember what it's called. But I think Generation Tech clarify that in his video precisely how the Empire will eventually crumble part due to their Sith ideology and Imperial military philosophy.

That is a stupid theory. The Empire got worse due to the terrorist's actions, palpatine allowed more and more people power and told them to go ape on the entire galaxy

Given Palpatine's "contingency plan" once he perished was Operation: Cinder which was the star wars equivalent of the Nero Degree it's obvious had the Empire allowed itself to exist when Palpatine dies of natural causes there would of been an even larger more destructive galactic civil war.

@@tk-6967 Username and pfp checks out

"Don't mind me, I just like rare and esoteric artifacts." -Palps

@@DogeickBateman Palpatine: Oh, yes, these are Sith statues, I'm kind of a historian, I studied Galactic History and collect relics from ancient times. Unfortunately, the Jedi Order has most of the Jedi relics under their control, so I have to take these Sith statues instead Yoda: Explain why the fresh ashes of a Sith Lord you have, this does not

The enemy is always the person you least expect.

It's like if the President had disturbing art in his office, and the Pope never noticed on his visits.

Rebels was for kids and had shitty writing

Also, in Rebels season 1, there was a scene where the Ghost Crew was taking relief aid and food to a small extra poor town on the outskirts of Lothal. Sabine had stated that it was known by the name of "Tarkin town," because Tarkin, as governor of the outer rim, he ordered the Imperials on the planet to confiscate lands owned by farmers, in order that the Empire might utilize them for their purposes, and if they resisted, they were to be accused of treason and sent to prison. So all of those that didn't retaliate, they ended up in "Tarkin town" as it was called, after losing their farm lands.

@@therealrongu6599 It was still better than TCW season 1 and 2

No, Tarkin hadn't embraced any Sith ideology, that was his own idea. In fact it was Palpatine who was inspired by his ideas (and this is stated by Palps privately) for how to run the empire, because palps wanted tarkin to do all the governing for him

This is why Grand Admiral Thrawn was introduce to the rebel series of unfortunate events from Imperials failures...

The rule of two did work, it was a great way for the sith to gain strength while not compromising their ideology. It just got f'd up by plagueis. He didn't honor the tradition of surpassing his master and also, he had some other plans for the sith. Even though he's a great character, it all went downhill for the sith from there.

@@sakracliche didn’t Tenebrus really get that ball rolling though?

Palpatine was a pretty wretched Sith. Powerful Dark Side Force user, but wretched Sith. The Rule of Two was inherently an acknowledgment that the Sith could never become powerful enough to defeat the Jedi and the Republic - that the Sith were inherently too weak to ever do so. All they could do was hide and covertly act over the course of a thousand years to wait for their foes to eventually become weak. But Palpatine, as you point out, was even a pathetic failure under the standards of the Rule of Two, which required that the master actually teach the apprentice to keep the cycle going. Palpatine didn't believe in the Sith way, he only believed in Palpatine.

Putting all your hopes on only 2 people usually doesnt end well. The masses tend to filter out fringe thoughts. If a dark lord fails to discipline his student (who is encouraged to kill his master btw) then that will forever corrupt the order.

@@richardkenan2891 To make matters worse he also did things that ensured his last apprentice (Vader) would turn back to the light side.

Palpatine only saw the flaw that too many sith was against his interest. Sith always betray one another and too many Sith would cause chaos to his empire. Only a few Sith he could command aided him. He knew every apprentice of his would eventually try to betray him - that’s why he ends up recruiting a replacement.

@@petermj1098 He never realized that the Republic lasted for orders of magnitude longer than any iteration of the Sith Empire for a good reason. He wants to be on top, fine, be on top, but he should have recognized that he needed everybody below him to follow a more rational and stable administrative structure. Like the Republic. The Republic wasn't a very Sith government, but that's the point of the Rule of Two - a Sith government would be too unstable to serve him in his intended immortality. The Republic, at its core, was at least stable, and that should have mattered to a guy who wanted to rule for literally eternity.

@@richardkenan2891 I agree. His entire plan was a simple divide and conquer to create the Empire. He fooled the Separatists just as much as the Republic on his promises of peace. Palpatine’s obsession of “unlimited power” made him selfish not to give power to politicians who can efficiently enforce for him in the galaxy.

@@richardkenan2891 Imagine a non-evil but amoral Palpatine taking charge of the Republic and just used Sith studies (and his public image) to secretly ensure his permanent political dominance

Also the whole thing about passion, Thrawn would have fit in better with the more radical Jedi than the Sith, at least in his view of warfare.

Thrawn was not a "Good Imperial". It's an oxymoron.

@@MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo Well, he served the Empire, yes... but he was only trying to find a suitable ally that could potentially fight off the threat of the Grysk aliens out in the unknown regions. Though of course, that doesn't stop him from being completely in servitude to the Emperor and his will.

@@roger632 No my Guy. Someone siding with the Nazi's to take out the Soviets is still a Nazi POS. No excuses. The ONLY GOOD Imperial is a DEAD IMPERIAL.

@@roger632 An ally against them or better prey for them so the Chiss have more time to fight them.

Except if your an officer, especially a very influential person you can shirk any regulations on hairstyles because that's the point, with power comes freedom from dumb rules you don't like, a very sith kind of thinking.

That was one of the things that stuck out to be the most from the first Star Wars Squadrons trailer. When that TIE Pilot pulls off his helmet, and he has this samurai topknot. There is no way the autocratic, fascist Empire would allow that much autonomy in fashion unless you were high above the other nameless mortals. Yeah, it's a story about space wizards, but when you set the tone for how one side works, even little violations of those rules stand out like spotlights.

Facts

He's outta line, but he's right

True dat👏🏿. If the Death Star 2 was fully operational like he said. He wouldn't have fallen in that reactor the first place.

He made sure to install safety railing in the event some asshole tried to push him over. Little did he know throwing was an option

"Monarchy doesn't last long in the world" *Meanwhile, monarchy is the longest lasting, earliest form of government that still exists today*

Monarchies were the most common form of government throughout history. The Capetian dynasty of France ruled for more than 800 years.

Seriously?! Monarchy have lasted for thousands of years.

The English monarchy goes back nearly a millennium!

@@alex52043 granted for every monarchy that last that long you have A Qin dynasty that lasted only 15 years

Well, as noted, the Jedi suppressed the teaching of Sith history, ironically out of *fear* that knowledge of the Sith would lead more people down the Sith path. Palpatine also had a large piece of wall art depicting ancient battles between the Jedi and Sith in his waiting room. But he could easily explain it away as being an homage to the Jedi, when it was really one to the Sith. Likewise, the statues were in a sufficiently abstract style that he could claim that they were of other people, or simply just generic.

That’s what happens when you buy your office decor from IKEA.

@@c0t0d0s7 - Still, I will say that his taste was better in those days. That throne room on the DS-2 looked like some kind European techno dance club, minus the lighting effects.

@@daniels7907 Considering how there are thousands of cultures, Palpatine could have pretended like it was just a coincidence that his taste in art resembled ancient Sith style art.

When questioned, he simply said that he collected art.

Maybe, but then they would realize very quickly that their ideology and the jedi ideology are so similar that a true distinction would be pointless. It would just turn the sith into a edgy jedi order. Which was also the only reason why the eternal alliance could form to fight the eternal empire in the first place. Not to mention the fact that the most powerful sith were those who could exploit the force the best and therefore had to be the most ruthless.

@@miniaturejayhawk8702 but there's nothing necessarily wrong your antagonists being "edgy Jedi". Villains can absolutely function as good villains with only subtle initial differences from their opponents. They can even have virtuous traits, valid points, and actions of mixed good and bad consequences. There's no necessity in storywriting to write over-the-top cliche bad guys - in fact that very phrase was used in Stargate (most commonly by Jack O'Neill) as a way to hang a lantern on its writers doing just that, precisely because that's usually *bad* way to write villains. Complex and sympathetic villains with actually-reasonable traits typically tend to make for far superior storywriting.

@@Catamount1412 A lot of the best stories in Star Wars either have complex, understandable and utterly evil bad guys, or else characters who start off as what you described and are slowly or quickly corrupted--because that's a major aspect of the Dark Side: it corrupts even the best of intentions, and the more you use it to serve your goals, the more it uses you to serve its goals, often by transforming your desires or methodologies. In other words, Star Wars is the ONE franchise where I don't want a bunch of morally complex villains. Morally complex scenarios, sure; psychologically complex villains, sure; interesting 3D villains, definitely; but not morally complex villains who aren't actively sliding in one direction or other.

​@@samueldimmock694 there's certainly nothing objectively wrong with the preference of morally simple, even almost comically-evil bad guys, with the simplest of core motivations. You can even have complex overall stories around them if not much complexity to be found in the villains themselves. I just don't happen to share that preference. It reduces the character to something less like an actual character and more like a force of nature - powerful, but without particularly interesting motivations. Nor do I think the dark side needs to operate in such a manner to be a good plot device in the universe. It's not like the dark side, itself, has particularly interesting motivations (if we're to treat it like some sapient, malevolent entity with an agenda), and having it reduce characters to people without morally or even logically-justifiable motivations beyond "I want power" or "I just enjoy being a cosmic asshole for its own sake" severely limits just how "3D" one can make them, in part by destroying virtually any indentifiability. I would have found, say, Count Dooku, to be much more interesting if he'd had a more complex set of motivations than "the dark side makes me want power at all costs and I don't care about anything else" - if he had more complex goals, with more complex premises underlying them, and movitations an audience could identify with, and a character that, all in all, flowed from some remnant of the nobility he might have once had as a Jedi before being disillusioned or some genuine draw to the CIS cause. There can be a laudable side to his goals without robbing him of the ability to still be thoroughly evil - he might seek methods with monstrous costs and/or have goals that are themselves reprehensible on balance, but with some valid points, premises, motivations, what have you, attached that make them such in some more understandable way than "HAHAHA Dark Side make me go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr". I thought his character was a horrible disappointment in how two-dimensional it ultimately was given the incredibly interesting background he started from and cause he ended up with - none of which seemed to remotely inform any aspect of his motivations. I think that was a lost opportunity. But again, that's just me.

@@Catamount1412 Sorry, you seem to be misinterpreting me. All Sith desired power above all else, but a lot of them desired a specific kind of power and/or desired it for a purpose, and for some of them those purposes were quite complex and/or understandable. More broadly, your statement that people can be thoroughly evil while still having some laudable intentions is part of what I was thinking of when saying you can have 3D characters who are completely evil, and I also share your preference for such characters over comically evil ones unless the story has no other comic relief or is intended as a comedy. Dooku, for example, truly wanted to save the Republic from itself by transforming it into a stronger and morally purer version of itself, with the Force-sensitives at the top because they were inherently superior, in addition to wanting to be on top himself, with the latter being because he thought he was the best man for the job. He was right that the Republic was weak and corrupt and in desperate need of reform, and that the Jedi should not have been obeying the Senate, though he may have gone a bit too far in saying that the Senate should have obeyed them; in some ways, Force-sensitives are actually superior to others (they can see the future, after all, and are very hard to assassinate or blackmail); and Dooku was an expert leader and politician as well as a powerful Force user. On the other hand, he fell victim to a utilitarian model of morality which disregards free will and which is also frequently counterproductive (oppressed people have lower quality of live, are less productive, and oftentimes devote a fair amount of their resources to destroying the system you built rather than improve it), and also to a high level of arrogance which inflated his belief in his own competence to an irrational extreme, and as a result he was extremely evil despite having fairly good intentions. He also, for some reason, became highly racist (humanocentrist), but if you want you can ignore that if you don't think it fits with his character.

He had plausible deniability by claiming that they were gifts given to him by different dignitaries, feigning complete ignorance of their true nature. He was able to BS the Jedi on that. Ironically, though by design, the aura of the Dark Side that these artifacts gave off helped mask Palpatine's own stench of the Dark Side, since everyone in the know about the artifacts simply concluded that Palpatine gave off the Dark Side because of him being in close proximity to them so often. So just like his more open display of wearing Sith ceremonial robes when he declared the beginning of the Empire, he was trolling the Jedi without them even knowing it.

Those statues were of past great statesmen of the republic. It’s not as eye catching as you’d think.

Well, let's put it this way. During the new order speech, palpatine is wearing sacred sith garb with the sith writings all over it, in front of some of the wealthiest and most privileged people in the entire galaxy..... Yep, big statement there

@@tk-6967 isn’t it just a black robe? Not like others such as Bail Organa haven’t done that?

@@theliato3809 The red and crimson robes. Not his black cloak/rope set.

No, they didn't. They believed that it was their duty to serve the Republic irrespective of moral issues and such. They wouldn't help anyone unless within their mandate and yet were willing to trick and disobey the government who mandated them. Also who the hell do you think was paying for them? If you are a monk you aren't exactly earning money, and technically jedi weren't allowed too.

@@tk-6967 I think that's more of a problem with the corrupted practices Prequel Era Jedi, than the fundamental Jedi philosophy.

@@tk-6967 I mean, I think for this reason, Luke and The New Jedi Order eventually decoupled themselves from galactic governments and became their own faction (that was after the Fate of the Jedi novels, 45 ABY). And, that's one way in which the NJO was better than the old (at least, prequel-era and KotOR-era old Jedi)

That's partly why I like the jedi order, they don't try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats. They aren't a proselytizing group, sure they might ask to be left alone or to have some accommodations but they aren't going around trying to convert the masses to their philosophy. Sith on the other hand definitely want to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats regardless of Force sensitivity or not. They desire power which often comes in the form of control over populations, enforcing their whims on the masses to the detriment of everything else.

@@tk-6967 Their allegiance is to the [idea of the] Republic, to DEMOCRACY!

Who came up with that phrase? It really doesnt hold up well when you look at absolutist or totalitarian societies. If you already have everything then why would you want more? Thats why singapore has almost zero corruption scandals: they pay public officials so much that being corrupt makes no sence. And the exact opposite is the case for china. They pay their public servants so poorly that their superiors have to finance their lives, which not only gives them more power over their subordninates but also turn party cadres into second families.

Its a phrase from Star Trek

@@BeyondtheRailz Well, that explains why it's so stupid. Absolute power didn't corrupt many Absolute Monarchs, it just revealed who they were; and most of them were just bureaucrats who wanted to keep people fed and keep the state going.

I know that part but its not stupid.

Who no doubt hated their own lives and wanted everyone around them to feel as miserable as they do.

i want them to stay imperial like pelleaon maybe go rogue like zaarin But never ever siding with terrorist rebel scum

My favorite one of those is a bunch of stormtroopers who go on the run after an incident involving mass murder of civilians and a weapon discharged into an ISB officer's gut, run around the Empire in a stolen ship solving problems like piracy and corruption, and absolutely refuse to join the Rebels because they're terrorists who are only causing more instability and making everything worse.

The reason there are few and short lived good imperials is because the entire system is set to corrupt people, to make you the worst version of yourself as the RL Imperial Japanese army created a bunch of fanatical brutal psychos

@@samueldimmock694 That sounds fucking awesome, is that in a book or in comics?

@@bible91 Book, called Allegiance, I think.

Because Palpatine wasn't ruling the Empire. Tbh I think we can't be too sure at what point he gave up, but by the GCW he had clearly made his decision. The betrayal of the greedy Republic loyalists was a big one, and he sees that many people act like the empire was evil in the late GCW, which probably led him to believe that going full sith lord was the best option.

That's the thing about Palpatine and sith as a whole no one questions that they aren't amazing at amassing raw power but they lack *"staying power",* their passion and strong emotions while certainly powerful is also HIGHLY volatile...they're like infernos, HOT, energetic, intense but ultimately quickly snuffs themselves out.

Taliban are similar. They excel at beating superpowers to gain control of Afghanistan but once in charge they undermine themselves and bumble their way until inevitably a poor decision leads external forces to come and cause the Taliban to roll the boulder back up the hill.

If your foundation is rotted then your structure cannot long stand.

The Empire fell for multiple reasons, but ultimately it was down to what the Republic loyalists did at the end of the war. Those greedy bastards supported palps and saw the CIS as monstrous, ugly, poor, idiots. Nearing the end the loyalists see Palpatine's plan to start stabilizing other parts of the galaxy and outlawing various criminal acts which earnt them money (this isn't to say Palpatine made these guys poor, they were still loaded). They backstab Palps and screw over the galaxy

@@pouncerlion4022 tell that to the Imperium of man. It has stood for 10,000 years and I couldn’t name one aspect of its government that isn’t corrupt and rotten as hell.

@@ianharrison5758 The Imperium of Man didn't start off completely terrible, it slowly decayed to the modern era after the War of the Beast and Age of Apostasy. It still had some resemblance of order and logic instilled within it after the Horus Heresy. Plus if it actually logically fell apart like it should have GW wouldn't have a cash cow to milk since they gutted Fantasy.

@@ianharrison5758 The Imperium of Man stands entirely due to external pressure holding it together. Was it not in a constant state of existential war it would disintegrate immediately.

It also illustrated that power itself corrupts, and the inherent fragility of monarchy. Emperor Roan Fel was no Sith, and he had noble qualities, but he still initially allied with the Sith until their sudden but inevitable betrayal, and he eventually had to be put down by his own Imperial Knights as he was falling to the Dark Side. The weakness of any autocracy is that it always has a single point of failure: one single corruptible human.

@@darthrevan1281 I’ll stick take the Fel Empire over the New (and corrupt) Republic.

Oh that exists, it's called "every Sci fi franchise except star wars"

Probably because Tie figthers don't have shields.

Yeah, I'd honestly prefer if they just retconed the whole every Imperial pilot is a badass but given crappy star fighters because it makes absolutely no sense to pump out masses of cheap craft only to hold the pilots to such ridiculously high standards, that just creates a shortage of pilots and a waste of talent. That said there could definitely be squadrons of elite Imperial pilots that are likely the first to get the newer, better ships like tie interceptors or other advance tie ships.

Which he cultivated using his own little Bohemian Grove knockoff on Sojourn.

@@darthrevan1281 The reference to those symbols being deeply integrated into those societies predates his own meddling, the scale referenced is one of centuries if not a millennia before his time.

Na mate, peace itself is alie if it cannot be maintained properly. If both only talk about inner peace then they are both very short-sighted.

@@miniaturejayhawk8702 oh no, a philosophical code is short sighted for focusing on inner peace...

According to some in-world interpretations, the Sith code was talking about peace between people, which is clearly impossible due to the simple fact that people want different things. The Jedi code, though, is definitely talking about the individual Jedi and the Force, not the galaxy at large.

@@samueldimmock694 just because people want different things doesn't mean peace is impossible.

@@VaderTheWhite It does if one is aggressive. I think the war in Ukraine is a perfect example- it takes two to maintain a peace, but only one to start a war.

Real men squat

@@GenerationTech A navigation officer that hasn't figured that out by the time they can bench 300 lbs. is probably not smart enough to be a trustworthy navigation officer. Probably a fine candidate for the stormtrooper corps though.

Can't afford to loose good equipment.

Yeah thrawn and Gillead knew what was up

@@GenerationTech don't forget Jaged Fel and his heirs!

After the civil war they pretty much had to rebuild from the ground up.

That and they constantly seek to actually CREATE their rebellions through slavery and oppression.

It's even further displayed by Palpatine aka Darth Sidious Empire. When all the Jedi were in hiding, defeated and outnumbered. With the galaxy under complete control under Palpatine. Only cause eventual backstabbing, infighting, betrayal and etc. Just like the Sith order and Sith philosophy. History itself even proven that a dictatorship doesn’t last long in the world. When got your officers and generals killing one another. Using fear and manipulation to get rid of the competition.

Pretty much

There is even a "What if theory." That if the remaining Jedi and rebellion didn't retaliated against the empire. The Empire would eventually just kill each other just to obtain the sit of power within their own ranks, dominance, control, a higher pay grade and etc.

That’s why the Jedi in the long run are better than the Sith in the long run, despite the extreme dogmatism.

"Asteroids do not concern me captain"

That's obsession.

Like I said, Sith power up the same way that Super Saiyans power up in Dragon Ball.

The same Lily Orchard who said that forgiving your enemies is akin to fascism?

@@christopherwall2121 Yes, my views on Lily have changed.

@@earnestbrown6524 I hoped so. I just found it funny that she thinks the Diamonds or Catra are beyond redemption, but that there's absolutely no problem with Leia using Sith stuff.

@@christopherwall2121 The last year or so I could really see the change in the content. To the point that I knew Lily would watch me burn happily based on that I'm right of her politically.

If Death Stars weren't meant for the personal use of Vader and Sidious, why did the doomsday weapons they carried use _lightsaber parts_ (kyber crystals)?

@@autobotstarscream765 are you really asking me why the death star used kybers? I hope you aren’t trying to say because it has them it was made for vader and palpatine. And not all lightsabers were powered by kyber crystals btw.

@Xytan That much I know, but the alternatives were much more rare and dangerous in exchange for their promise of far greater power. As for base kyber, though, I'm a bit fuzzy on whether its properties are in focusing laser light or providing the energy needed to form a solid blade of plasma-hot light-matter.

I'll send a trader of such description with that description of mercendice your way. This is the way.

Did you actually combine the rule of two with social justice?! 💀💀💀

@@miniaturejayhawk8702 no I related it to freedom and revolution In fact that power is almost certainly military support or supply lines

I have also created a light-side interpretation of the Rule of Two, though this one actually included the Force. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Everyone has passions, and those passions conflict; therefore there is always conflict, and what people call peace is merely a state where that conflict is more or less invisible. The Force also has its passions. Through passion I gain strength. The passion that I have gives me the strength to act; by controlling my passions, I can maximize this strength and devote it only to the most worthwhile of goals. By aligning my passions with those of the Force--strengthening those we share, weakening those we don't--I strengthen my connection to the Force, which makes it easier to align my passions with its. Through strength I gain power. This motive force drives and allows me to acquire the resources I need to bring about the things I desire. As my connection to the Force strengthens, the power I can obtain from it increases, and the knowledge I can also gain from it leads me to other resources (see above). Through power I gain victory. With these resources and the strength to use them, I will achieve my desires insofar as it is possible. By this point, one of my desires should be to align my desires with those of the Force; this will be achieved by becoming One with the Force. Through victory, my chains are broken. I will no longer be held back by fear or longing, or by unfulfilled obligations; I can move on to the next thing, even if that thing is enjoying my retirement. The chains of desire that held me back will fall away, and I can then devote myself fully to the Force and be satisfied with it. The Force shall free me. It is through the Force that I accomplish all of this. See second line of interpretation for all of the above.

This is why I prefer to be called Grey. In the middle, understanding grants us the ability to act as necessary. If it means acting where most wouldn't, I'm doing it.

And in both Warhammer and 40k worlds if they were part of the Skaven and Druchii/Dark Eldar factions.

Um, no, not really. Sith ideology is counterproductive when you have a whole empire following it. That just results in maybe a few strong leaders at the top and a bunch of good pilots and grunts at the bottom, but everyone in between would get their jobs through nepotism rather than merit. Probably better than the New Republic under Borsk Fey'lya, Sien Sovv, and Pwoe but still far from ideal. The New Republic, if led by Mon Mothma, Princess Leia, Cal Omas, and Admiral Ackbar from the get-go would honestly have done better than the Empire. A better solution would have been to have something like what the Chiss had: an authoritarian, meritocratic, technocratic culture that held basically the ideals that Thrawn was raised in. Unless you're counting the Dark Empire, where Palpatine was going to directly control and corrupt the whole galaxy through the Dark Side of the Force. (though imo, since that would mean that every being in the galaxy would just become a drone of Palpatine, I don't see how that would be better than a Vong-dominated galaxy)

@Ecard Ecardian im thinking youre referring to fanfiction bad fan fiction. The sith origins of the 100 year darkness and the sith empire of Korriban was much more impactful and was long lasting to fandom in a decade since the tales of the jedi in the 90s. There was NO random sith World with some random dark siders in cosmos (instead of a Ajunta Pall and his folowers) where the sith was born. That just shows lack of imagination and compelling writing. The Expanded universe have much more nuance and complexity to their stories than did the disney canon because of how rich the stories are. The disney ones are CHEAP and WEAK. there were HIDDEN or ADOPTED worlds that the sith made their presence. Ziost, Thule, Malachor, dromund Kaas, (despite the god awful sequel finale) even exegol. But the foundation of the sith began on Korriban and korriban alone. Everything else is Fan Fiction.......The end. A random world just to pull out of nowhere is pure Laziness. Maybe i misjudged you perhaps. But the only survivors of sith beyond the sith empire was the brotherhood of darkness But they were eradicated by the sith lord darth bane. I dont know the planet Bane was on. But that could be a good thing for bane if no one knew where he lived. So he can continue his machinations in the shadows to plot his long revenge against the republic and the jedi. I thought you were referring to a random world is where tbe true sith were born. Im sorry. FYI, the sith species a religious followers were extinct by constant infighting combined with the full might of the jedi that led to their destruction.

@Ecard Ecardian the brotherhood of darknes was the lost...sith...tribe as a i spoke earlier thousands of years later. Darth Galven and his acolytes were living in the shadows trying to cease what power they can but they were forgotten because they were complacent and weak that they didn't seize power after their defeat. I do not know much about this Galvin, neither does the galaxy. That comes to show how weak of an influence he is.

@Ecard Ecardian just because they were around doesn't mean they had a powerful legacy. Not the likes of Darth Revan and Darth Bane. There are weak individual sith and apprentices that briefly lived in the empire. But their stupidity and "lack of vision" resulted in them being killed off by powerful sith. History will not look upon them kindly because of their mistakes.

@Ecard Ecardian perhaps this frizebox life support systems were CUT OFF! By rival sith. Its really foolish to hide oneself in a cryo chamber and wait till someone comes to reactivate you, especially if they hate him for being weak. They will kill off any any sith pretenders who claim to be sith to bring forth the strong, by separating the wheat from the chaff. Again...this was thousands of years ago and most of his past life were forgotten from the galaxy with a few exceptional individuals who think he is a great sith Lord when in fact he is weak. There is not much lore to prove he is a great sith lord. If i were a sith, I would cut off his life support systems and let him suffocate or i would plant a detonator in his "freeze box" and blow him up. So fa he is not powerful figure in star wars. Otherwise he would be the most talked about in fandom. Glavek was nothing more than a puppet to Revans power during the jedi civil war. He was attacked by a republic strike team, he took stock of followers, awakened after a hundred years. Proclaiming himself lord of the minds eye. But that hardly makes powerful.

@Ecard Ecardian but inevitably he was defeated years later by either sith or jedi alike. He didn't do a good job in leaving a powerful legacy behind. He was powerful during the civil but over across the centuries he would lose it in the end because how he underestimate his followers and later take up arms against him and kill. Eve if that did not happen. It is the nature of the sith. Unless he is able to regain his authority snd rival other dark lords.